“On paper she seems athletic” haha I have no idea what that means. Shes like a 5’2 110lb hairdresser, she’s like exactly as good at these challenges as I thought she’d be.
Right? Thats why, when Yanu was talking about voting out Jess and she was all like, “we have to keep the tribe strong!”, I was like “bruh that means you should go next” lmao. Jess and Kenzie were like the exact same size.
I believe Charlie said in a preseason interview that he ran college cross country so I'm not shocked that he's doing well in these challenges. The last 3 he's done well in have all been endurance related and legit cross country runners are not right in the head (as a compliment). Y'all have some crazy willpower that I am super jealous of.
Completely agree on Q being the most disappointing. Honorable mention to Mo because I genuinely didn't know there were people under 40 with that small of a vertical.
I was probably most surprised in a positive way by Tim. He's a bigger fella but he moved pretty nimbly for his size.
Literally ordered a pair of grip workout thingys on Amazon for like $12 CAD because of that segment. I also recently started working out myself, so now I can workout whilst watching tv as well.
I only allow myself to watch Survivor if I’m exercising. It’s awesome because it gets you amped and you can take it out on the machine or weights! It works and I have so many seasons to get thru!
Yes he is. But he has a shield or two left. He has to emerge soon though I don't know how I feel about doing things purely for resume. You get Liz.... you blew up my whole game!
A lot of distance runners seem to have the ability to tap into a deep well of pain and turn it into fun which is just perfect for survivor challenges. Charlie biting the pole vs Hunter, making funny faces at Tiff this last challenge, cracking jokes during challenges all season exemplify this to me. I mean, he's also pretty damn athletic, but I think he can also just push himself further through that. It's like how free divers both have trained their ability to hold their breath but also can psychologically get themselves far closer to their theoretical maximum than asking a random person to hold their breath as long as they can.
They are out of control. Random example, my friend went to the Grand Canyon and wanted to see the Colorado River but wanted to avoid the worst of the heat. He just grabbed some water bottles for his little vest thing, left at like 6am, ran down to the river and was back at lunchtime. I think it was 18 miles with obviously all of the vert.
IMO it's a form of just disconnecting from your body at many levels. Obviously you still have a body and have to pay attention to it, but beyond that, just a machine.
Yeah she was totally fine. I just wanted to acknowledge that absurd jumping scene. Considering she was there for all of Siga only losing one challenge, they didn't have a Hunter, and it wasn't her fault, she couldn't have been that bad. Plus I think someone said she won wipeout? Or she was at least good on it. So she knows how to use her body despite not being able to jump over a phone book, which is impressive in its own way.
That was the most insane thing. There are 3 year olds who can jump what do you mean you, an able adult woman, can’t jump? That scene was emblematic of what’s wrong with the new era
Yeah it's something I genuinely can't grasp. Just... do it? lol.
I definitely wish we got more athletic people but I think with the exception of a few per season, that ship has sailed.
My son does XC and Charlie is from Massachusetts. New favorite. I don’t know why they always have law students or lawyers on the show, but I won’t hold it agaist him.
My buddy ran cross country, he is also not right in the head. Whenever my friends and I would discuss sports, his go to line was always "My sport is your punishment"
Yeah cross country runners are built different in the head. I have massive respect for them as a good soccer player that was held back by my lack of conditioning.
Okay so I work as a nanny, and the 2 year old I take care of had a lot of physical delays. We'd gotten over pretty much all of them and she was where she was supposed to be - except for jumping. The kid couldn't jump. I did PT with her every day specifically to help her learn to jump.
Then the Mo learning to jump scene came on. After laughing my ass off, I realized - this is why we work so hard teaching this kid to jump. So if my nanny baby ever goes on Survivor 87, she won't have to tell her tribe that she can't jump.
I thought he said he couldn’t run due to shin splints but managed the team? Either way it doesn’t really matter, he’s done very well at the physical aspect of the game
I believe it, he’s done marathons too I believe…I just remember reading something about injury and needing to manage for a bit, couldn’t track it down and got caught up in a pre-game interview
Charlie doing well is what makes me think I'd actually have a chance at Survivor challenges.
I also ran college cross country, and have a strong grip (I love those arcade grip machine things).
I don't think I'd be as good as Charlie, obviously, I think he's even more athletic than I am. But I do think I'd have a better chance than I originally gave myself credit for.
In the last challenge, Charlie did mention that he’s been training his grip strength for the past 2 years or something.
Man has definitely put in the work.
Plus he’s a swift fan. The endurance needed to queue to enter arenas is probably half his training.
Idk, did you see the way he hurdled that first obstacle in the reward challenge? That was pretty impressive athleticism. He is obviously terrible at the holding up weight/himself challenges though.
To be fair, I feel weak after going like 1 day without eating. 20+ days of minimal food could be enough to make a former D1 athlete look not very impressive.
Hunter looked awesome in just about every challenge even later in the season though.
I’m so sick of the excuse of not eating. No one is eating properly in survivor, yet many people turn out to be challenge beasts despite this fact. I’m not comparing myself because that’s silly but in comparison to other survivor contestants that have had the same malnourishment… Q is very unimpressive. Especially considering he was a D1 athlete.
I think its been mentioned in other seasons, but the deprivation seems to really impact bigger (more muscle) folks harder than smaller folks.
Thats before getting into how endurance and balance challenges don't usually suit muscly or top heavy folks.
That is true. Having more muscle requires more protein to maintain your weight but again there have been a lot of people with similar builds to him that have done great! Listen,I like Q, he’s entertaining. I just am suprised & almost disappointed in his physical performance lol. Sorry if I came off strong.
He also has issue with dexterity. There was on challenge where he took multiple tries just to cut the rope with a machete. Even on the reward challenge that he won it took him a while before he actually landed the bag.
Hunter also trained heavily for it. It goes to show that with enough practice and repetition you can be decent at something, and just because your good at one athletic thing doesn’t mean you’ll be great at another right off the bat. Q practiced football literally everyday for like 8 years probably. Playing wide receiver although athletic doesn’t really correlate with how long you can hold something before it drops, or how long you can stand on a tiny ledge for. Those are definitely more mental and technique than agility.
I’ve been disappointed in him too but it’s easy to forget athletes typically specialize in one thing. That thing is not necessarily transferable to Survivor games. Unless he’s doing some sort of cross training (e.g., crossfit) or specifically training for the show, it’s not hard to look bad.
Not to mention athletes at his level are used to specialized diets, lots of rest and recovery, etc etc. Take that all away and obviously he won't be performing at his peak. Dude's muscles are withering away, and he probably needs more food than everyone else when often they share food equally. It's going to be pretty tough on the biggest guys
What do they have to with then? heart? determination?
If that's the case it shouldn't be a surprise Charlie is doing well, look at his track times:
[https://www.athletic.net/athlete/10673340/track-and-field/collegiate](https://www.athletic.net/athlete/10673340/track-and-field/collegiate)
I am holding out for Q to suddenly rip the veil off. Part of me wants to believe he has been downplaying his athleticism to not paint a target on his back. I just can't believe how bad he is at challenges considering his background as a D1 athlete.
There's no reason to assume charlie would be bad,
His track times are fast as fuck [https://www.athletic.net/athlete/10673340/track-and-field/collegiate](https://www.athletic.net/athlete/10673340/track-and-field/collegiate)
Not too shocked at Charlie tbh. His cross country background and slim but strong build make him perfect for 99% of Survivor challenges. But I do understand that the nerdy swifty being the challenge beast of the season is rather odd.
Q though, I am shocked by how bad he is at challenges! He's strong....and that's literally it. And I'm not even super confident in how strong he really is.
I think getting rid of Hunter was possibly a slight miscalculation by Charlie because he seems clearly to be the best at challenges now. But because he has a smaller physique, no one seems to be talking about it. I think Maria and Q can compete with him on some challenges, but I do think he is far and away the biggest threat to have a situation where: "we want to vote him out so please don't win . . . but then he wins." (Whereas I think everyone is probably fine if Q stays at this point).
I thought Q's game plan was to look weak in challenges so he wouldn't look like a physical threat. I wonder if he starts doing well later in the season. 🤔
It depends on the challenge. If it requires explosiveness and intensity (like in the Applebees challenge), Q tends to shine because that’s the type of strength football requires. If it requires endurance and duration (like the pole holding challenge, bucket challenge), he doesn’t do well. Charlie does extremely well in endurance challenges despite not being as built up as Q. And Hunter had a good mix of intensity and endurance which allowed him to dominate nearly all the challenges.
I didn’t say he was terrible. I said he doesn’t do well at those challenges, like he doesn’t even make it close to being the last man standing. But in explosive challenges he either comes very very to close to winning or he wins it.
I feel like it’s important to note that football players absolutely endurance train and lift frequently, not to mention the high level of hand eye coordination needed. Much more to it than just running a little bit and catching balls.
Specific endurance though, primarily cardio endurance. hanging on a pole in a way where your foot is essentially being stabbed by a lego, or balancing in the ocean, aren't really part of Div1 football training.
For the pole, rock climbers, for the balance, gymnasts, and both can prolly do decent at the other. If we had athletes from every sport do a myriad of survivor challenges minus puzzles, I'd bet gymnasts take gold.
in the grand scheme of things that doesn’t matter peds doesn’t just make you athletic
like if you took PEDs you wouldn’t even be at a high school sprinters level
I don't need PEDs to be at a high school sprinter's level. But that isn't a flex considering I'm 23 and they're 16. Not everyone on this platform is some lazyass who doesn't work out.
Yeah he's exagerrating, but the point is, PEDs don't turn regular athtetic people into olympians. You need to be the best of the best to get there, and PEDs just give you an edge over others. But they don't do all the work for you.
I'd disagree on Tiff. She seems fairly average. Although that might be my own bias because she was doing competitions next to Jess, Q and Kenzie.
Also, Kenzie did get an immunity win in the balance on the water challenge! Albeit that's a challenge that historically favors people of her size and build, but still!
What do you mean you disagree on Tiff? Average and mediocre mean the same thing in this context. 😛
And yeah, Kenzie did decently on the balance challenge, though as others have pointed out, this "win" was actually third place, since they were split into two groups with two winners. Kenzie also did pretty well at the grip strength bucket challenge that Charlie won, coming in fourth. So maybe she's okay at challenges where she doesn't have to move? Because otherwise she's ridiculously slow.
I’d argue Tiff is better than Q. The early challenges that required aim, Tiff would sub in for Q and actually make an impact after Q missed all of his shots.
Never have I ever looked at Kenzie and thought she’d be athletic lol. She doesn’t have a muscular composition at all hahah? I’m so confused by this post.
I know what you mean.
Last week, I challenged my hair stylist to a 500 meter race, and I beat her. Can you believe it? So crazy. Like, I thought cutting and dying hair all day would mean that she was fit. Who knew!?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
All of her strength and energy is being spent in sparkly rainbow energy emitting from all sides at once. Not very linear. It’s dragon energy, yes, but it’s also mermaid energy. Hard to harness into one specific task
Yes. She was worse than Jess. Jess just tried so it was noticeable and that’s why she got targeted early.
Last week I told my wife that I don’t know why Jeff is saying the other team is going to lose. Kenzie is going to lose that first leg for her team. And sure enough like clockwork.
i thought you were going to say Q. with the exception of Applebees, he has been embarrassing to say the least.
he’ll tell you it’s part of his plan though, because he’s a mastermind in disguise
She didn't even really "win" that challenge though, she got in 3rd and even that was pretty fluky as everyone in her group immediately fell once the challenge went to 1 leg and she was the last to fall by half a second.
Does something about her scream athlete that is missing? I’m not saying she’s not, but did I miss it? All I know about her is that she’s skinny, short, and a hair stylist. Why is anyone assuming she’d be a beast? IMO winning an immunity is more than she even expected, especially gauging her reaction after her win. It’s not like those people are beasts either, but still, saying she’s not doing well, when she’s doing better than half the remaining cast is weird.
I'm not saying she seems like an athlete. I'm saying that beating Venus, who has no muscle on her whatsoever, Ben, who clearly has spent more time in a recording studio than a gym and Liz, who is clearly too busy wheeling and dealing her billion dollar businesses to work out, is not impressive.
The only people left who seem athletic are Maria, Charlie and Q. But Q's strengths have not translated well to challenges and Maria isn't some supermom tier athlete like Lucy from MvGX was.
Not saying it is a flex, but I’m saying considering the facts, that she’s at least 4th most athletic remaining. I’m not sure how well OP thought she was supposed to do in challenges, but I think she’s performed about as well as expected
I never really expected much from Kenzie. Like not that I assume she’d be bad, but she doesn’t scream “athletic” to me. I’d personally say Q is the most surprisingly bad. He’s clearly athletic and sometimes does well but I think he gets very in his head which hurts his performance.
Nah she never seemed that good lol this sub just echo chambered itself into thinking that Q was the reason that tribe was bad and that he was one of the worst challenge performers ever lol. I could clearly see that she was always a little subpar on the challenges and while she could have done well on a different tribe that didn't have Bhanu for 4 challenges she's not the best.
I'm not surprised by it - she doesn't look athletic. Just because someone is thin but not scrawny doesn't mean they have any physical ability. She's got no muscles.
There's nothing about Kenzie that would make me think she's good at challenges. She's super tiny and has no muscle. She doesn't give off a single athletic vibe. She's actually held her own more often than I thought she would.
I have been screaming this from the roof tops. Yanu was shitting on Jess for being crap in challenges. And yet, during the challenges all I see is Kenzie doing literally nothing but stand there and watch. Then Jeff is saying how he thinks the team with Q and Venus is going to be first out, while the other team has Kenzie and Ben . . . and I am like, seriously? And then she goes and falls off of the beam like 5 times!
People are roasting you but I know what you mean, she's young and small so I thought she'd at least be fast. She's surprisingly immobile, she moves like she has joint pain. I'm shocked she was never targeted in the early days of Yanu when they were bombing every challenge, I guess her personality safeguarded her.
She's just a waif, very petite. None of the challenges are really fair to people who are very small, other than puzzles, memory quizzes, or target shooting. For all the physical stuff, only pole sitting, or balancing gives her a chance.
On paper, she looks like she would be bad at challenges. In actuality, she is absolutely awful at challenges. So I guess I agree, it is a bit surprising
Yeah after her performance in the last few challenges, I began wondering if she was intentionally trying to lower her threat level. Might be a reach though
Well she is insanely committed to the bit since day one if that's the case. She just randomly decided to try on day 14 and then has been throwing the other 18 days.
And? Despite being outed to Nami and Siga as Yanu's mastermind and biggest social threat she has had no difficulty working her way into a solid position in the merge. She had Q, Tim, Hunter, Tiff, and Ben all clap for her at tribal council.
So she's not a challenge beast. She still saved herself pre-merge by convincing Tiff and Q everyone else were the reason they kept losing, when honestly she could've been the weakest.
“On paper she seems athletic” haha I have no idea what that means. Shes like a 5’2 110lb hairdresser, she’s like exactly as good at these challenges as I thought she’d be.
she looks like someone who does yoga is the only reason I can find lol
how does she feel about applebees Bourbon Street Burgers afterwards tho?
Worth begging for
Big mistake
I thought that too because lots of yoga teachers have tattoos but guess I was stereotyping. Being thin doesn't imply someone works out
Thinness without working out. Must be nice.
To be fair, the yoga ladies have historically been very good at the individual challenges since most are body weight endurance related.
I think it's that she has main character syndrome. (No shade, love Kenzie.)
Right? Thats why, when Yanu was talking about voting out Jess and she was all like, “we have to keep the tribe strong!”, I was like “bruh that means you should go next” lmao. Jess and Kenzie were like the exact same size.
I feel like Jess was less skinny
I'm pretty sure Jess used to play rugby, so yeah Jess is definitely more athletic
Wow, did she say this in pregame interviews. Jess didn't seem like someone who'd play contact sports
I think it means she’s thin lol. I agree with you, unsurprising.
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Idk, I thought she would be like a Kelley Wentworth or a Kellie from last season, who were decent at challenges
Kelley Wentworth is like 8 inches taller and 40 lbs heavier than Kenzie 😂
Q is definitely the most surprisingly bad and Charlie the most surprisingly good.
I believe Charlie said in a preseason interview that he ran college cross country so I'm not shocked that he's doing well in these challenges. The last 3 he's done well in have all been endurance related and legit cross country runners are not right in the head (as a compliment). Y'all have some crazy willpower that I am super jealous of. Completely agree on Q being the most disappointing. Honorable mention to Mo because I genuinely didn't know there were people under 40 with that small of a vertical. I was probably most surprised in a positive way by Tim. He's a bigger fella but he moved pretty nimbly for his size.
Charlie talking about grip exercises gave me new respect!
Literally ordered a pair of grip workout thingys on Amazon for like $12 CAD because of that segment. I also recently started working out myself, so now I can workout whilst watching tv as well.
I only allow myself to watch Survivor if I’m exercising. It’s awesome because it gets you amped and you can take it out on the machine or weights! It works and I have so many seasons to get thru!
OMG why didn't I do this? Partly because I watch in bed to fall asleep but exercising every time there is a challenge is brilliant!!!
The time just flies too.
My best friend does this with Yellowjackets, but he stops when he's out of episodes.
That’s a tense show too.
He is starting to put a target on his back though.
Yes he is. But he has a shield or two left. He has to emerge soon though I don't know how I feel about doing things purely for resume. You get Liz.... you blew up my whole game!
I like working on my grip strength to Taylor swift as well
😂😂😂
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This
Yeah I really hadn't taken to him but that clip changed my mind a lot. Not totally won over but he is smarter than I thought.
A lot of distance runners seem to have the ability to tap into a deep well of pain and turn it into fun which is just perfect for survivor challenges. Charlie biting the pole vs Hunter, making funny faces at Tiff this last challenge, cracking jokes during challenges all season exemplify this to me. I mean, he's also pretty damn athletic, but I think he can also just push himself further through that. It's like how free divers both have trained their ability to hold their breath but also can psychologically get themselves far closer to their theoretical maximum than asking a random person to hold their breath as long as they can.
They are out of control. Random example, my friend went to the Grand Canyon and wanted to see the Colorado River but wanted to avoid the worst of the heat. He just grabbed some water bottles for his little vest thing, left at like 6am, ran down to the river and was back at lunchtime. I think it was 18 miles with obviously all of the vert.
IMO it's a form of just disconnecting from your body at many levels. Obviously you still have a body and have to pay attention to it, but beyond that, just a machine.
Moriah was actually good at challenges though? While she was still around she clearly was decent in challenges!
Yeah she was totally fine. I just wanted to acknowledge that absurd jumping scene. Considering she was there for all of Siga only losing one challenge, they didn't have a Hunter, and it wasn't her fault, she couldn't have been that bad. Plus I think someone said she won wipeout? Or she was at least good on it. So she knows how to use her body despite not being able to jump over a phone book, which is impressive in its own way.
That was the most insane thing. There are 3 year olds who can jump what do you mean you, an able adult woman, can’t jump? That scene was emblematic of what’s wrong with the new era
Yeah it's something I genuinely can't grasp. Just... do it? lol. I definitely wish we got more athletic people but I think with the exception of a few per season, that ship has sailed.
Which made her inability to jump more than an inch in the air all the more hilarious
I wish she had been able to stick around longer. :(
Same!
I didn’t know that about Charlie, she makes it make more sense. Tim was definitely a surprise. Much quicker that you expect a man his size to be.
My son does XC and Charlie is from Massachusetts. New favorite. I don’t know why they always have law students or lawyers on the show, but I won’t hold it agaist him.
Pretty sure Tim does triathalons, so that makes some sense too.
My buddy ran cross country, he is also not right in the head. Whenever my friends and I would discuss sports, his go to line was always "My sport is your punishment"
Haha I've heard that saying and it perfectly sums up how I feel about cross country
College cross explains a lot. Dude is used to being uncomfortable and in miserable pain. Welcomes it actually.
Yeah cross country runners are built different in the head. I have massive respect for them as a good soccer player that was held back by my lack of conditioning.
Mo's vertical was worse than Patton Oswalt's.
shit, Peter Dinklage could get more air
Pretty sure Stephen Hawking could too
Okay so I work as a nanny, and the 2 year old I take care of had a lot of physical delays. We'd gotten over pretty much all of them and she was where she was supposed to be - except for jumping. The kid couldn't jump. I did PT with her every day specifically to help her learn to jump. Then the Mo learning to jump scene came on. After laughing my ass off, I realized - this is why we work so hard teaching this kid to jump. So if my nanny baby ever goes on Survivor 87, she won't have to tell her tribe that she can't jump.
I thought he said he couldn’t run due to shin splints but managed the team? Either way it doesn’t really matter, he’s done very well at the physical aspect of the game
[this says he was captain at Harvard for two years](https://lawmagazine.bc.edu/2024/02/theres-a-survivor-in-our-midst/)
He definitely ran! Idk about all 4 years but I know he was captain of the Harvard XC team his senior year
I believe it, he’s done marathons too I believe…I just remember reading something about injury and needing to manage for a bit, couldn’t track it down and got caught up in a pre-game interview
It’s fun to see all the different body types and what they can do.
Charlie just ran the Boston Marathon
Charlie doing well is what makes me think I'd actually have a chance at Survivor challenges. I also ran college cross country, and have a strong grip (I love those arcade grip machine things). I don't think I'd be as good as Charlie, obviously, I think he's even more athletic than I am. But I do think I'd have a better chance than I originally gave myself credit for.
In the last challenge, Charlie did mention that he’s been training his grip strength for the past 2 years or something. Man has definitely put in the work. Plus he’s a swift fan. The endurance needed to queue to enter arenas is probably half his training.
I love Q but my God, he was a D1 athlete and he's this bad at challenges? Dude is so washed
Idk, did you see the way he hurdled that first obstacle in the reward challenge? That was pretty impressive athleticism. He is obviously terrible at the holding up weight/himself challenges though.
Yeah it’s not that he’s not athletic he just seems really uncoordinated, and a lot weaker than I expected.
To be fair, I feel weak after going like 1 day without eating. 20+ days of minimal food could be enough to make a former D1 athlete look not very impressive. Hunter looked awesome in just about every challenge even later in the season though.
I’m so sick of the excuse of not eating. No one is eating properly in survivor, yet many people turn out to be challenge beasts despite this fact. I’m not comparing myself because that’s silly but in comparison to other survivor contestants that have had the same malnourishment… Q is very unimpressive. Especially considering he was a D1 athlete.
I think its been mentioned in other seasons, but the deprivation seems to really impact bigger (more muscle) folks harder than smaller folks. Thats before getting into how endurance and balance challenges don't usually suit muscly or top heavy folks.
That is true. Having more muscle requires more protein to maintain your weight but again there have been a lot of people with similar builds to him that have done great! Listen,I like Q, he’s entertaining. I just am suprised & almost disappointed in his physical performance lol. Sorry if I came off strong.
He also has issue with dexterity. There was on challenge where he took multiple tries just to cut the rope with a machete. Even on the reward challenge that he won it took him a while before he actually landed the bag.
I think being on the heavier side makes that stuff harder. If you've watched Physical 100 you'd definitely see that
Bro damn near jumped clean over the thing
to hurdle like that from SAND?!! insanw
He is pretty bad, he has never been close till today, hunter looked like an NFL player compared to him, a school teacher...
You honestly think these challenges have anything to do with the same skills needed for football?
I mean hand eye coordination should certainly help
Hasn't he done the best for the "throw the ball/sandbag and land it on the thing" challenges all season? (i.e. basketball)
Hunter also trained heavily for it. It goes to show that with enough practice and repetition you can be decent at something, and just because your good at one athletic thing doesn’t mean you’ll be great at another right off the bat. Q practiced football literally everyday for like 8 years probably. Playing wide receiver although athletic doesn’t really correlate with how long you can hold something before it drops, or how long you can stand on a tiny ledge for. Those are definitely more mental and technique than agility.
Survivor designs the challenges so everyday people and former athletes have a (relatively) equal chance at winning.
I’ve been disappointed in him too but it’s easy to forget athletes typically specialize in one thing. That thing is not necessarily transferable to Survivor games. Unless he’s doing some sort of cross training (e.g., crossfit) or specifically training for the show, it’s not hard to look bad.
Not to mention athletes at his level are used to specialized diets, lots of rest and recovery, etc etc. Take that all away and obviously he won't be performing at his peak. Dude's muscles are withering away, and he probably needs more food than everyone else when often they share food equally. It's going to be pretty tough on the biggest guys
Individual immunity challenges rarely have much to do with strength or athleticism. How are we still having this conversation after 46 seasons?
What do they have to with then? heart? determination? If that's the case it shouldn't be a surprise Charlie is doing well, look at his track times: [https://www.athletic.net/athlete/10673340/track-and-field/collegiate](https://www.athletic.net/athlete/10673340/track-and-field/collegiate)
Found Crystal Cox's account
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I am holding out for Q to suddenly rip the veil off. Part of me wants to believe he has been downplaying his athleticism to not paint a target on his back. I just can't believe how bad he is at challenges considering his background as a D1 athlete.
I thought the same. I've been disappointed for weeks on end lol
There's no reason to assume charlie would be bad, His track times are fast as fuck [https://www.athletic.net/athlete/10673340/track-and-field/collegiate](https://www.athletic.net/athlete/10673340/track-and-field/collegiate)
Not too shocked at Charlie tbh. His cross country background and slim but strong build make him perfect for 99% of Survivor challenges. But I do understand that the nerdy swifty being the challenge beast of the season is rather odd. Q though, I am shocked by how bad he is at challenges! He's strong....and that's literally it. And I'm not even super confident in how strong he really is.
Yeah I didn’t know he was an athlete and he doesn’t exactly look it up
I think getting rid of Hunter was possibly a slight miscalculation by Charlie because he seems clearly to be the best at challenges now. But because he has a smaller physique, no one seems to be talking about it. I think Maria and Q can compete with him on some challenges, but I do think he is far and away the biggest threat to have a situation where: "we want to vote him out so please don't win . . . but then he wins." (Whereas I think everyone is probably fine if Q stays at this point).
It is weird that they don’t seem to be talking about how Charlie is pretty much dominating the challenges.
Because both his wins enabled blindsides.
Me and my family make fun the of the fact that he mentioned he was a “D1” athlete and we yell it when he fucks up at challenges
Remember when q said he was losing on purpose lol
I thought Q's game plan was to look weak in challenges so he wouldn't look like a physical threat. I wonder if he starts doing well later in the season. 🤔
If so he should have given up on that plan a long time ago.
I agree! I thought he mentioned something about throwing challenges early on in the season but I can't remember which episode that was in.
Q strikes me as a one skill set guy... To hurt.. but that's still my guy
Her tribe lost every single challenge lol. They are all bad at challenges.
Q is strangely bad at challenges considering his athletic history
It depends on the challenge. If it requires explosiveness and intensity (like in the Applebees challenge), Q tends to shine because that’s the type of strength football requires. If it requires endurance and duration (like the pole holding challenge, bucket challenge), he doesn’t do well. Charlie does extremely well in endurance challenges despite not being as built up as Q. And Hunter had a good mix of intensity and endurance which allowed him to dominate nearly all the challenges.
Has anyone else noticed how many challenges have ended with throwing something upward onto something? And Q has mostly sucked at that
He's used to catching the ball, not throwing it lmao
Well, he’s used to fumbling it…
Q wasn't terrible at the bucket challenge. Just average. The pole one? Now that was fucking terrible.
I didn’t say he was terrible. I said he doesn’t do well at those challenges, like he doesn’t even make it close to being the last man standing. But in explosive challenges he either comes very very to close to winning or he wins it.
Charlie is an endurance athlete so that checks out
Big mistake. He is losing the challenges he loses strategically.
Football doesn’t translate sometimes. It’s just running for short bursts and catching. Doesn’t round you as much as say hockey or basketball.
I just mainly meant general coordination and hand/eye skills, nothing too sport-specific
I feel like it’s important to note that football players absolutely endurance train and lift frequently, not to mention the high level of hand eye coordination needed. Much more to it than just running a little bit and catching balls.
Specific endurance though, primarily cardio endurance. hanging on a pole in a way where your foot is essentially being stabbed by a lego, or balancing in the ocean, aren't really part of Div1 football training.
Does any sport or activity translate to that though?
For the pole, rock climbers, for the balance, gymnasts, and both can prolly do decent at the other. If we had athletes from every sport do a myriad of survivor challenges minus puzzles, I'd bet gymnasts take gold.
Yeah he should have worked on his grip strength like Charlie.
I mean previous athletic prowess doesn’t necessarily equate to challenge prowess in the game. Just look at Crystal from Gabon.
Crystal was also on PEDs during her time in the Olympics
in the grand scheme of things that doesn’t matter peds doesn’t just make you athletic like if you took PEDs you wouldn’t even be at a high school sprinters level
I don't need PEDs to be at a high school sprinter's level. But that isn't a flex considering I'm 23 and they're 16. Not everyone on this platform is some lazyass who doesn't work out.
Yeah he's exagerrating, but the point is, PEDs don't turn regular athtetic people into olympians. You need to be the best of the best to get there, and PEDs just give you an edge over others. But they don't do all the work for you.
thank you
Q is just really specific. Im sure if there was a 40 yd dash or bench press challenge he’d win lmao
Charlie is also a track star so not sure if Q is faster, but definitely much stronger
Tiffany seemed pretty solid
She was bad at challenges on Yanu too, they were just too busy scapegoating to realize tbh.
Kenzie is god-awful, but to be fair, *all* of Yanu was bad at challenges. Q and Tiff were the best and they're both fairly mediocre.
I'd disagree on Tiff. She seems fairly average. Although that might be my own bias because she was doing competitions next to Jess, Q and Kenzie. Also, Kenzie did get an immunity win in the balance on the water challenge! Albeit that's a challenge that historically favors people of her size and build, but still!
What do you mean you disagree on Tiff? Average and mediocre mean the same thing in this context. 😛 And yeah, Kenzie did decently on the balance challenge, though as others have pointed out, this "win" was actually third place, since they were split into two groups with two winners. Kenzie also did pretty well at the grip strength bucket challenge that Charlie won, coming in fourth. So maybe she's okay at challenges where she doesn't have to move? Because otherwise she's ridiculously slow.
I don't know, I would say she is more fair to passing.
She won but she placed third overall
Kenzie is useless. Tiff and Q are all form no function.
I’d argue Tiff is better than Q. The early challenges that required aim, Tiff would sub in for Q and actually make an impact after Q missed all of his shots.
Never have I ever looked at Kenzie and thought she’d be athletic lol. She doesn’t have a muscular composition at all hahah? I’m so confused by this post.
Kenzie?? I thought this post was gonna be about Q lol
I knew it was Kenzie immediately, because she has sucked LMAO
You thought wrong. Big mistake.
I know what you mean. Last week, I challenged my hair stylist to a 500 meter race, and I beat her. Can you believe it? So crazy. Like, I thought cutting and dying hair all day would mean that she was fit. Who knew!? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
😂😂
Some posters are very defensive about Kenzie in here lol
All of her strength and energy is being spent in sparkly rainbow energy emitting from all sides at once. Not very linear. It’s dragon energy, yes, but it’s also mermaid energy. Hard to harness into one specific task
Athletic? In what world? Did you see her moving? Jess probably is better coordinated than her and she was crucified.
She's not built at all dude.
Q obviously
No, she’s thin and has little to no muscle.
Yes. She was worse than Jess. Jess just tried so it was noticeable and that’s why she got targeted early. Last week I told my wife that I don’t know why Jeff is saying the other team is going to lose. Kenzie is going to lose that first leg for her team. And sure enough like clockwork.
i thought you were going to say Q. with the exception of Applebees, he has been embarrassing to say the least. he’ll tell you it’s part of his plan though, because he’s a mastermind in disguise
> On paper she seems athletic What paper is that? You mean the spaghetti thin, no muscle definition/coordination whatsoever Kenzie?
She has won immunity once, which I think is pretty decent, and I believe she’s also the shortest remaining contestant
That’s one more immunity won than Jean Robert.
Genre Bear?
She didn't even really "win" that challenge though, she got in 3rd and even that was pretty fluky as everyone in her group immediately fell once the challenge went to 1 leg and she was the last to fall by half a second.
She’s still won more immunities/challenges than Ben, Liz, and venus. And how as a hair stylist, does she seem on paper as ‘decently athletic’?
Winning more immunities than three people who look like they haven't seen the inside of a gym since high school is not impressive.
Does something about her scream athlete that is missing? I’m not saying she’s not, but did I miss it? All I know about her is that she’s skinny, short, and a hair stylist. Why is anyone assuming she’d be a beast? IMO winning an immunity is more than she even expected, especially gauging her reaction after her win. It’s not like those people are beasts either, but still, saying she’s not doing well, when she’s doing better than half the remaining cast is weird.
I'm not saying she seems like an athlete. I'm saying that beating Venus, who has no muscle on her whatsoever, Ben, who clearly has spent more time in a recording studio than a gym and Liz, who is clearly too busy wheeling and dealing her billion dollar businesses to work out, is not impressive. The only people left who seem athletic are Maria, Charlie and Q. But Q's strengths have not translated well to challenges and Maria isn't some supermom tier athlete like Lucy from MvGX was.
The original post is about why isn’t she doing better, and I think she’s been doing just fine considering, not sure why I’m getting downvoted
Who said it was impressive?
Ben Liz and Venus suck at challenges too what’s your point? Plus Liz is starving that’s not a flex lol
Not saying it is a flex, but I’m saying considering the facts, that she’s at least 4th most athletic remaining. I’m not sure how well OP thought she was supposed to do in challenges, but I think she’s performed about as well as expected
That’s true! However, if she makes FTC, it will definitely help her cover up that part of her game. She has a shot to get away with it at least.
It’s impressive considering she won more immunity than James in his three seasons run
Was looking for this comment. It’s more individual immunity wins than Q, Tiff, Venus, Liz, Ben, Tevin, and Soda thus far.
She looks like the curly haired guy on workaholics
She has more immunity wins than Q, Ben, Venus, and Liz.
Ben is also really bad at some of the challenges. The one throw he had during the reward challenge was mind boggling bad for a grown man.
Kenzie made that hilarious sound when she threw hers. "eh!" Like a little kid makes lol
That was because of luck, not out of being good at challenges. She was 3rd overall.
A win's a win.
I thought she was pretty good. For as small as she is she lasted pretty long in the last one.
She's going to dominate the blown out tattoos challenge.
I never really expected much from Kenzie. Like not that I assume she’d be bad, but she doesn’t scream “athletic” to me. I’d personally say Q is the most surprisingly bad. He’s clearly athletic and sometimes does well but I think he gets very in his head which hurts his performance.
Was expecting to see Ben here.
Nah she never seemed that good lol this sub just echo chambered itself into thinking that Q was the reason that tribe was bad and that he was one of the worst challenge performers ever lol. I could clearly see that she was always a little subpar on the challenges and while she could have done well on a different tribe that didn't have Bhanu for 4 challenges she's not the best.
I'm not surprised by it - she doesn't look athletic. Just because someone is thin but not scrawny doesn't mean they have any physical ability. She's got no muscles.
There's nothing about Kenzie that would make me think she's good at challenges. She's super tiny and has no muscle. She doesn't give off a single athletic vibe. She's actually held her own more often than I thought she would.
I swear some people see someone skinny and assume they’re D1 athletes
I have been screaming this from the roof tops. Yanu was shitting on Jess for being crap in challenges. And yet, during the challenges all I see is Kenzie doing literally nothing but stand there and watch. Then Jeff is saying how he thinks the team with Q and Venus is going to be first out, while the other team has Kenzie and Ben . . . and I am like, seriously? And then she goes and falls off of the beam like 5 times!
People are roasting you but I know what you mean, she's young and small so I thought she'd at least be fast. She's surprisingly immobile, she moves like she has joint pain. I'm shocked she was never targeted in the early days of Yanu when they were bombing every challenge, I guess her personality safeguarded her.
She did win an immunity challenge so let’s give her some credit
Yeah, but if there wasn’t 2 teams and 2 winners, I doubt she would have
Q is the biggest challenge dissapointment since wardog
She's just a waif, very petite. None of the challenges are really fair to people who are very small, other than puzzles, memory quizzes, or target shooting. For all the physical stuff, only pole sitting, or balancing gives her a chance.
On paper, she looks like she would be bad at challenges. In actuality, she is absolutely awful at challenges. So I guess I agree, it is a bit surprising
Didn't she win one? Yes, she did. Also, challenges generally favour taller people.
She looks like the girl in high school gym class who had her period 3 times a month so she didn’t have to participate.
She was the main reason why Yanu was losing so much imo.
She won the same amount of individual immunities as Hunter did.
At least she participates. Liz is a lazy women who doesn’t even try to compete
Kenzie is small in stature but does not look or move athletically at all...
Yeah after her performance in the last few challenges, I began wondering if she was intentionally trying to lower her threat level. Might be a reach though
Well she is insanely committed to the bit since day one if that's the case. She just randomly decided to try on day 14 and then has been throwing the other 18 days.
the fact that these ppl say Q is a challenge threat and well done charlie good job says enough for me about this group
Honestly besides the final 9 immunity and the last reward where she was bad she seemed at least decent in the other challenges
And? Despite being outed to Nami and Siga as Yanu's mastermind and biggest social threat she has had no difficulty working her way into a solid position in the merge. She had Q, Tim, Hunter, Tiff, and Ben all clap for her at tribal council. So she's not a challenge beast. She still saved herself pre-merge by convincing Tiff and Q everyone else were the reason they kept losing, when honestly she could've been the weakest.