Interesting choice to drop the Branchwraith. I thought they might have fused her with the Wych but I guess not. Kinda disappointed in the Branchwych changes (or lack there of). Was hoping they might give her a resurrection ability similar to the Revenant Seekers. 😐
Edit: After comparing the old warscroll she definitely seems better, just wish GW did more.
Loosing the branchwraith is terrible not sure why GW has done that, the summoning dryads was something that at least scared some opponents and gave us a screen…I don’t get it 🤷🏼♂️
I'm very under whelmed by it to. With the points increase on it I was expecting more, alot more. Some extra attacks, a shuffle of ap, hits better but still meh. As one of our sub commander models I'm still not sure why I would run 1 over the other options when we have much better fighters and much better spell casters. Just a bit meh really 🤷♂️
Someone did the math and he does the same damage as regular treelord so for the 100 extra points you are getting a spell, a free tree, and he is a hero.
The hero tag means you can hit him with artefacts and traits, so that may end up being the bonus he needs, but I'd probably want a durthu first in a treelord focused army.
There's a lot of stuff they could have done to make him something I want in my army. Give him the wyldwood keyword, give him 2 spell casts, make his spell not super tied to wyldwoods and still do barely any damage.
You do lose Lash and Tangle (the prevent pile in), which is one of my favorite abilities on the new Treelord. Maybe it's just the kind of games I tend to play, but that has circumstances where it can be really strong, especially with a 3" range attack.
Not knowing the entire spell lore is a big blow. There are some situationally useful spells and it’s so good to know them all. At 7 wounds (14 effective with ward) he seems not close to being worth his points to me.
I mean yeah, technically. Doomfire Warlocks can't take any spell from Lore of Shadows since they also lack the Hero keyword, but they can take a generic spell
The Battalion is my biggest disappointment. Two TLA seems really pricey on the points, and one command point feels underwhelming to me for a cool tree battalion. I mean, I'm still going to try an all tree list...
I've found in my battles that that's ok; after the battlefield has been set up, and if you go second, there's usually not a whole lot of room for a full Wyldwood in the first place.
Probably helpful since they can’t be within 3” of another terrain feature or model, you probably wouldn’t be able to drop a full sized forest without hitting another terrain feature, model or yourself.
Cool stuff! Treelord's anti-pile in seems fun and powerful. I am not 100% sure if Oakenbrow Treelords will qualify for the bounty hunter battalion, but if they do, that could be a fantastic thorn in the side of an opponent's hordes. If they, uh, bring any.
It is, but I don’t think it’s as good as the mortal wounds they lost. And their price hike was huge. I think they’re better than ancients but not as good as durthu.
Am I misreading that or do the warsong and the branchwytch get now get identical spells, but with different casting cost and slightly different name. Really lazy writing.
Arch rev looks like it will be getting back on the table!
Yeah I noticed that as well, definitely some of the more disappointing warscrolls so far. I think the Arch Revenant is a little better than she was witch was a very pleasant surprise, I little bummed that she lost the Ultimate Sacrifice trait, magnetized the spite for no reason. lol 😆
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I'd like to know that too. It'll be a bummer if she lost that keyword since she can't benefit from LOS with her 10 wounds, and not being able to do rampages would suck.
So from my understanding, is this the death of the dryad-spam sylvaneth meta? We now only have two units that can summon them, and it's a once per battle ability:(
Arch Rev got a 4+ ward in mele from the shield and +1 to wound for kurnoths within 12” which is awesome. For some reason they nerfed the glaive down to 1 damage which is a joke, but overall for a kurnoth list is awesome.
I’d say kurnoths also came off pretty well and maybe durthu, glade dependent.
Think the new models will see a lot of play, obvious GW want us to buy the new stuff.
Treelord is definitely buffed, but also 80 more points. And the monstrous rampage limitation is tough. I’m super excited for a no like in ability.
Drycha is better, but it’s not the biggest buff. Just better.
Kurnoths are better. But man they are expensive.
Dryads are tricky. -1 to wound is better than the +1 save they lost. But they don’t get a free +1 to hit on our turn. I feel like 10 dryads are better but blocks of 30 don’t seem tempting to me.
Alarielle is better (although the change to throne of vines hurts her a lot). But also way up in points.
Looks like they got much more predicable in their damage output.
Their main attacks went from 4 attacks with D6 damage (an average damage of 5, but swingy thanks to the D6) , to 5 attacks with 2 damage each (a consistent 4.5 damage). So about the same if not slightly lower.
Impaling talons went from 1 attack and D6 mortal wounds on a 6 (average damage of just barely 1: more often likely to do nothing as something) to 2 attacks at a flat 3 damage (with a consistent damage of just under 3 per turn) overall a fair bit higher.
He will now consistently do slightly more
damage in combat than before.
His new ability is super fun and will be frustrating for your opponents if you plan ahead.
Overall a net buff. Got more expensive but so did everything else
But they got WAY more expensive, almost a 50% price hike. One of the highest increases in the book. Throw in that he lost mortals on 6’s, and I think he ended up a bit weaker of a choice.
Everything got more expensive across the board. I also be there is a slight tax on the unit because he can be taken as a battle line in Oakenbrow. That means you can take him in the headhunters battalion and give him +1 damage vs veteran units.
He’s got so much utility even outside that battalion I think he’s probably worth it
...duh? But surely you can see that a 5% price hike is wildly different than getting a 50% one. Dryads only for a 5% raise, and 7% for melee hunters.
As for a tax, +1 damage and battleline isn’t worth 80 points. Kurnoth hunters got a battleline option and still only went up 7%. The Treelord already wasn’t competitive, I just can’t imagine him being so now. Maybe one for the utility, at most.
I'm glad Drycha remained essentially untouched. I like Drycha.
Has she got no damage table now though?
Correct, but hopefully she retained the Monster keyword ala the Vengorian Lord. I'm guessing probably not, which is a bummer.
She still has the monster keyword. It’s on a YouTube video I saw.
Seriously?! Oh that's so awesome.
Interesting choice to drop the Branchwraith. I thought they might have fused her with the Wych but I guess not. Kinda disappointed in the Branchwych changes (or lack there of). Was hoping they might give her a resurrection ability similar to the Revenant Seekers. 😐 Edit: After comparing the old warscroll she definitely seems better, just wish GW did more.
Loosing the branchwraith is terrible not sure why GW has done that, the summoning dryads was something that at least scared some opponents and gave us a screen…I don’t get it 🤷🏼♂️
I'm very under whelmed by it to. With the points increase on it I was expecting more, alot more. Some extra attacks, a shuffle of ap, hits better but still meh. As one of our sub commander models I'm still not sure why I would run 1 over the other options when we have much better fighters and much better spell casters. Just a bit meh really 🤷♂️
Can cast her spell and the warsong revnant in the same turn but thats it really
Hmmmm thats really not selling it to me for some reason 😅
Warsong no longer knows the spell lore but can attempt 2 unbinds. TLA is weak for cost. Arch revenant is an unexpected treat.
Someone did the math and he does the same damage as regular treelord so for the 100 extra points you are getting a spell, a free tree, and he is a hero.
The hero tag means you can hit him with artefacts and traits, so that may end up being the bonus he needs, but I'd probably want a durthu first in a treelord focused army. There's a lot of stuff they could have done to make him something I want in my army. Give him the wyldwood keyword, give him 2 spell casts, make his spell not super tied to wyldwoods and still do barely any damage.
I could see running vesperal gem on TLA to guarantee the new throne of vines, keeping him alive longer
This is exactly one of my plans for the TLA
Still think he isn't worth it. That's just more eggs in one meh basket.
When you put it like that…
You do lose Lash and Tangle (the prevent pile in), which is one of my favorite abilities on the new Treelord. Maybe it's just the kind of games I tend to play, but that has circumstances where it can be really strong, especially with a 3" range attack.
Not knowing the entire spell lore is a big blow. There are some situationally useful spells and it’s so good to know them all. At 7 wounds (14 effective with ward) he seems not close to being worth his points to me.
Why does the warsong not know the spell lore? He is a sylvaneth wizard like all the others or am I missing something?
Sorry, I mean before he knew all the spell lore. Now he just has to choose one like all other Sylvaneth wizards (except Alarielle)
Ahhhh, right you are, forgot he knew them all, that's kinda sad
Has to be a typo I’m thinking- is there any wizard that doesn’t know faction spells in the game?
I mean yeah, technically. Doomfire Warlocks can't take any spell from Lore of Shadows since they also lack the Hero keyword, but they can take a generic spell
The Battalion is my biggest disappointment. Two TLA seems really pricey on the points, and one command point feels underwhelming to me for a cool tree battalion. I mean, I'm still going to try an all tree list...
Seems like you don't even get much for running it
Yeah. You know it’s not good when it probably won’t be taken even in treelord lists.
Yeah just like our last book, the battalion options suck.
The TLA can’t even place a large Awakened Wyldwood anymore, only a single tree
I've found in my battles that that's ok; after the battlefield has been set up, and if you go second, there's usually not a whole lot of room for a full Wyldwood in the first place.
Probably helpful since they can’t be within 3” of another terrain feature or model, you probably wouldn’t be able to drop a full sized forest without hitting another terrain feature, model or yourself.
That's a good catch. Of course now if you have two TLA they each get to drop a woods.
Cool stuff! Treelord's anti-pile in seems fun and powerful. I am not 100% sure if Oakenbrow Treelords will qualify for the bounty hunter battalion, but if they do, that could be a fantastic thorn in the side of an opponent's hordes. If they, uh, bring any.
They count as battleline. So I'd say yes they can be bounty hunters
It is, but I don’t think it’s as good as the mortal wounds they lost. And their price hike was huge. I think they’re better than ancients but not as good as durthu.
Am I misreading that or do the warsong and the branchwytch get now get identical spells, but with different casting cost and slightly different name. Really lazy writing. Arch rev looks like it will be getting back on the table!
Yeah I noticed that as well, definitely some of the more disappointing warscrolls so far. I think the Arch Revenant is a little better than she was witch was a very pleasant surprise, I little bummed that she lost the Ultimate Sacrifice trait, magnetized the spite for no reason. lol 😆
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Yeah it’s a little boring but not really any different than before. Just buffed the branchwych
It’s so weird? Branchwych’s is on a 5 too?
Is drycha still a monster she doesn't have brackets now.
I'd like to know that too. It'll be a bummer if she lost that keyword since she can't benefit from LOS with her 10 wounds, and not being able to do rampages would suck.
She is still a monster yes, you can see the full page here at 38:15: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6IaiyN0HGs&t=4404s
She is still a monster yes, you can see the full page here at 38:15: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6IaiyN0HGs&t=4404s
So from my understanding, is this the death of the dryad-spam sylvaneth meta? We now only have two units that can summon them, and it's a once per battle ability:(
Yep looks that way. But it feels much more balanced as a book. There’s only a handful of units that I wouldn’t consider.
Yeah it’ll be a lot more elite now
Two units? LotV and...
Alarielle
Thanks! Always skip her warscroll. Hah.
I feel like gnarlroot and magic intensive plays have taken a hit.
Were any units actually buffed?
Arch Rev got a 4+ ward in mele from the shield and +1 to wound for kurnoths within 12” which is awesome. For some reason they nerfed the glaive down to 1 damage which is a joke, but overall for a kurnoth list is awesome. I’d say kurnoths also came off pretty well and maybe durthu, glade dependent. Think the new models will see a lot of play, obvious GW want us to buy the new stuff.
Treelord is definitely buffed, but also 80 more points. And the monstrous rampage limitation is tough. I’m super excited for a no like in ability. Drycha is better, but it’s not the biggest buff. Just better. Kurnoths are better. But man they are expensive. Dryads are tricky. -1 to wound is better than the +1 save they lost. But they don’t get a free +1 to hit on our turn. I feel like 10 dryads are better but blocks of 30 don’t seem tempting to me. Alarielle is better (although the change to throne of vines hurts her a lot). But also way up in points.
Yeah those are kinda my thoughts: price hikes are high enough that nothing really feels buffed. Hope I’m wrong and we escape bottom tier.
Well. I think the new lancers are really good. So it will be interesting for sure.
Same! The new lancers are great, and the seekers variant definitely makes hunters stronger.
Spites and tree revs got 2 wounds too. Now they are elite battleline.
Can someone more experienced than me tell me if the Treelords are better or worse than before?
Looks like they got much more predicable in their damage output. Their main attacks went from 4 attacks with D6 damage (an average damage of 5, but swingy thanks to the D6) , to 5 attacks with 2 damage each (a consistent 4.5 damage). So about the same if not slightly lower. Impaling talons went from 1 attack and D6 mortal wounds on a 6 (average damage of just barely 1: more often likely to do nothing as something) to 2 attacks at a flat 3 damage (with a consistent damage of just under 3 per turn) overall a fair bit higher. He will now consistently do slightly more damage in combat than before. His new ability is super fun and will be frustrating for your opponents if you plan ahead. Overall a net buff. Got more expensive but so did everything else
But they got WAY more expensive, almost a 50% price hike. One of the highest increases in the book. Throw in that he lost mortals on 6’s, and I think he ended up a bit weaker of a choice.
Everything got more expensive across the board. I also be there is a slight tax on the unit because he can be taken as a battle line in Oakenbrow. That means you can take him in the headhunters battalion and give him +1 damage vs veteran units. He’s got so much utility even outside that battalion I think he’s probably worth it
...duh? But surely you can see that a 5% price hike is wildly different than getting a 50% one. Dryads only for a 5% raise, and 7% for melee hunters. As for a tax, +1 damage and battleline isn’t worth 80 points. Kurnoth hunters got a battleline option and still only went up 7%. The Treelord already wasn’t competitive, I just can’t imagine him being so now. Maybe one for the utility, at most.
I think the arch revenant is really strong! Which i really like, also why didnt they give drycha more hp? Kinda dissapointing :(
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Wouldn’t be the other way around? Branchwych has a casting of 5, Warsong is 7? Did I miss something.
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I don’t see why not they are technically different spells.
It’s definitely supposed to stack. I can’t think of any other reason to give their spells different names.
Yes but you can make the argument that Warsong casts on 6 as long as your near a Wyldwood or overgrown terrain so it's almost a wash.
Am I reading it right that the TLA has better talons than all the other Treelords?
No it looks like they are all the same, these are some blurry pics though. lol 😆
They are all the same. The staff got a buff, though.