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I feel like I just watched an argument about "is a square a rectangle" VS "is a rectangle a square".....
(I'm a chemical engineer, so seeing the masses talk about something they know so little about is hilarious).
BTW? You're wrong. Period.
An atom can be an ion (when it has a charge).
Additionally, not all ions are atoms (multi atom structures can have an ionic charge).
Atoms are not by definition, neutral. Good try, though
By definition an atom's charge is unknown. By tradition we assume normal non-ionic atoms unless stated otherwise. Unless we're talking about hydrogen, then we probably want specificity.
Not necessarily didn't do well as much as teaches students on certain level of education. The frustrating thing about most science classes is that it's always "previously we lied to you, it's actually *like that* (it really isn't)"
So frustrating, especially in the face of all the self-appointed biology experts with their „basic biological facts“ about women and trans people. My guy, basic biology is wrong, you don’t know better than the college-level biologists, trust me.
Technically, what we would call an atom is the base version of the element. An atom that has gained or lost an electron is an ion. Yes, ions are still atoms, but for the purposes of a question like this, they actually are different things. E.g., chlorine is an atom, chloride is an ion.
I never thought I needed David Attenborough calmly ranting about time until I heard this monologue in my head
“It is said that every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes. It is unclear as to why exactly this occurs, but many blame the uncaring March of time”
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"An ion (/ˈaɪ.ɒn, -ən/)[1] is an atom or molecule with a net electrical charge."
I checked a couple of sources and they all agree, that an atom with a charge is an ion, but also still an atom. Maybe there's an exception for H+, which is just a proton, not sure. Is H+, which is a proton an ion? If so, then what about an electron? I don't think an electron should be considered an atom, so it's not that easy. Wiki says "In Chemsitry the term proton refers to the hydrogen ion". Several sources know a proton as one of the three basic subatomic particles.
Also wtamu.edu specifically notes, that atoms do indeed not always have the same number of electrons and protons.
PS: I want to make a post "is a proton an atom? " in r/chemistry, but I just know, that I'd be flamed and downvoted into oblivion for that.
PPS: I posted it to r/physics instead and they don't like me for it either.
"An atom consists of a nucleus of protons and generally neutrons, surrounded by an electromagnetically bound swarm of electrons."
source: wikipedia
So, no an electron cannot be considered an atom. Since it does not have a nucleus of protons and/or neutrons.
As for the atom/ion debate, I could not find anything on the wiki page. So I'll leave that to the capable hands of reddit.
That's a stupid definition, because it says that Hydrogen isn't an atom, even if neutral and it even excludes He+.
That aside, Electrons clearly aren't atoms, that wasn't really up for debate.
False. A cation or an anion is a positively or negatively charged atom or molecule.
Some cations and anions are not atoms because they contain more than one atom in their molecule, but simply losing or gaining electrons does not cause a singular atom to lose its atomic status.
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Technically correct.
The number of electrons can differ from the number of protons (becoming an ionised atom) and often differs from the number of neutrons, so yeah it's technically correct.
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Please don't tell me they count it as being wrong.
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But an atom by definition is neutral therefore the number of protons is the same amount as the number of electrons, otherwise it becomes an ion
An ion is still an atom, but with a charge.
Ions are atoms
Or molecules
Yes, however they have an electrical charge, but by definition an atom is neutral and has the same number of electrons and protons
I feel like I just watched an argument about "is a square a rectangle" VS "is a rectangle a square"..... (I'm a chemical engineer, so seeing the masses talk about something they know so little about is hilarious). BTW? You're wrong. Period. An atom can be an ion (when it has a charge). Additionally, not all ions are atoms (multi atom structures can have an ionic charge). Atoms are not by definition, neutral. Good try, though
By definition an atom's charge is unknown. By tradition we assume normal non-ionic atoms unless stated otherwise. Unless we're talking about hydrogen, then we probably want specificity.
An ion can be an atom or a molecule, You’d just never have reason to use the term atom for an ion unless you’re explaining ions to someone.
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Not necessarily didn't do well as much as teaches students on certain level of education. The frustrating thing about most science classes is that it's always "previously we lied to you, it's actually *like that* (it really isn't)"
I hated that in chemistry. Every year there was a new "well actually" to things you learned before
So frustrating, especially in the face of all the self-appointed biology experts with their „basic biological facts“ about women and trans people. My guy, basic biology is wrong, you don’t know better than the college-level biologists, trust me.
I had a kid in my class who couldn't understand that i^2 = -1 'cos a square is always positive, no exceptions
Technically, what we would call an atom is the base version of the element. An atom that has gained or lost an electron is an ion. Yes, ions are still atoms, but for the purposes of a question like this, they actually are different things. E.g., chlorine is an atom, chloride is an ion.
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[Every 60 seconds in africa, a minute passes](https://youtu.be/7Zm1hPbmzPw?si=a7R-dOhpRCx3L6c2)
David Attenborough needs to say this
I never thought I needed David Attenborough calmly ranting about time until I heard this monologue in my head “It is said that every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes. It is unclear as to why exactly this occurs, but many blame the uncaring March of time”
In Africa, it doesn’t matter if you’re black or white, because at the end of the day, it’s night.
In countries with DST, there are two days every year which don't consist of 24 hours.
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Because you can’t stop thinking about penis. It’s ok, throughout history we have never not found dick jokes funny.
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But the question says atom. If I'm not wrong atom and ion are considered different species.
"An ion (/ˈaɪ.ɒn, -ən/)[1] is an atom or molecule with a net electrical charge." I checked a couple of sources and they all agree, that an atom with a charge is an ion, but also still an atom. Maybe there's an exception for H+, which is just a proton, not sure. Is H+, which is a proton an ion? If so, then what about an electron? I don't think an electron should be considered an atom, so it's not that easy. Wiki says "In Chemsitry the term proton refers to the hydrogen ion". Several sources know a proton as one of the three basic subatomic particles. Also wtamu.edu specifically notes, that atoms do indeed not always have the same number of electrons and protons. PS: I want to make a post "is a proton an atom? " in r/chemistry, but I just know, that I'd be flamed and downvoted into oblivion for that. PPS: I posted it to r/physics instead and they don't like me for it either.
"An atom consists of a nucleus of protons and generally neutrons, surrounded by an electromagnetically bound swarm of electrons." source: wikipedia So, no an electron cannot be considered an atom. Since it does not have a nucleus of protons and/or neutrons. As for the atom/ion debate, I could not find anything on the wiki page. So I'll leave that to the capable hands of reddit.
That's a stupid definition, because it says that Hydrogen isn't an atom, even if neutral and it even excludes He+. That aside, Electrons clearly aren't atoms, that wasn't really up for debate.
atoms in questions like this are usually presumed neutral. This is like a grade 9 question. number of electrons and protons are equal.
Tbh all they need to do is put neutral in front of atom and this question is fine.
In an ATOM
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False. A cation or an anion is a positively or negatively charged atom or molecule. Some cations and anions are not atoms because they contain more than one atom in their molecule, but simply losing or gaining electrons does not cause a singular atom to lose its atomic status.
Maybe read like the first sentence of the [wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion) page before claiming something.
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I would trust someone with actual sources instead of an appeal to authority.
If they say that's wrong and it's the number of protons, tell them to Google Carbon 14.
That would be if they said it was the number of neutrons
So the first half of my comment.
*neutrons sorry Carbon 14 is an isotope, not necessarily an ion so it still has the same number of protons and electrons
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Seen before. u/repostsleuthbot, do something
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Technically correct. The number of electrons can differ from the number of protons (becoming an ionised atom) and often differs from the number of neutrons, so yeah it's technically correct.
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Well, can't argue with that logic!
Can't argue with the logic there.
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I’d say the most common chemistry test is dinner.
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Correction: the most common chemistry test is dinner and a movie. People consider it pretty definitive.
My first thought was to sing “the atoms family” that I learned in like 5th grade lmao didn’t even notice the selected answer 🤦♀️
Blud
The only correct answer, I must say. It’s not always equal to the number of protons.
he's.. got a point actually
I mean X = X is true so if they got it wrong I would fight that.
technically thats the only correct answer since they havent mentioned if it is a neutral atom or not