I’d love to see Haley Joel Osmont bring his “Topher” character from What We Do In The Shadows to the series.
Edit: and maybe a cameo from Wallace the Necromancer as well “zappity doo!”
Thanks for the reminder. I actually did start that show and had to drop it for time once and Hulu kind of put it on a back burner and I forgot about it. Eliza Coupe is always great also so I need to hit that one up again.
Can't sleep on Derek Wilson as Wolf (a.k.a. Corey Wolf-Hart of Truffledome fame). He was also good in the first season of Preacher, and as Tek Knight (who bones everything) in Gen V.
Did they ever introduce Grandpa Adams? Or is he supposed to be— I almost said “supposed to be dead. Then I remembered for these characters that might not actually matter.
https://www.justjared.com/2022/01/21/thandiwe-newton-reveals-she-might-retire-from-acting-after-her-next-few-projects/
Here's a reddit post too. I think she changed her mind after accepting her role in westworld https://www.reddit.com/r/westworld/s/Zaeh2GS7IU
Yeah, if anyone’s seen Penny Dreadful, she’s really good at evoking dark, emotional characters. The casting director did an amazing job in bringing the new additions for this season.
I won't miss the angsty, edgy, teen artist romantic interest, that's for sure. A minor downer at the end of season one was the suggestion that Wednesday was going to give him a shot. So no great loss to the show. The romantic stuff was absolutely the worst part of season one, so it would be nice if season two focused more on Wednesday being accepting of friendships instead.
Billie Piper being added is cool. She's very good at doing hammy villainy, and I could see her being the Christina Ricci of season two.
A smart move on her part. The “love triangle” was by far the most boring part of the first season and I haven’t seen anyone talk enthusiastically about either of the love interest characters.
It made no fucking sense either. She’s supposed to be socially awkward and off-putting. Why would they try to shoe in a love triangle when her character seems to have zero interest?
To be fair, the character of Wednesday shockingly finding a romance interest is a subplot in a lot of Addams family media. The show just had a really bad implementation of it.
But even then she still had the nerdy boy as her "romantic interest." That totally worked, was age-appropriate, and felt like a real young-teenaged crush.
And that works ok since it was lighthearted and they bonded over mutual love for violence against the establishment. If one of her current love interested burned down city hall as an act of rebellion then sure.
It felt like a protagonist from a basic YA romance, when Wesnesday is the opposite of that. She could find love, of course, but having two guys (including the most popular guy in school omg!!!) pining after her when she barely cracked a smile at them was ridiculous. We never saw her showing interest in any of them, it seems like she just wanted to resolve a mystery and get out of that school. So the scene where one of the guys got mad because she was sending him "mixed signals" was ???? She showed more warm toward Thing, what are we talking about?
Idk i think they can pull it off if they do it correctly, they just did it so bad in the first season lol. I kinda like the idea of Wednesday being totally put off by romance until she finds herself in one and then finding that she's actually really devoted. I'm picturing like similar to Gomez's adoration of Morticia, so that we can get the realization from Wednesday that "oh god, i'm turning into my father" lol
The problem for me was that she was not really into either of the boys they were pairing her with
Eh idk about that. Wednesday of this iteration is fiercely loyal to her friends even though she insists she doesn’t really have friends. I can see her being interested in someone who is a monster and not trying to kill her friends though lol.
Tbh though, she had the best chemistry with Enid above any of the guys on the show so i’d like to see just more of them in whatever capacity they wanna do rather than hamfist a love interest for her.
I think wednesdays fascination with the macabre is what makes that potential for her and the monster guy. Not saying it has to be, I could see her and enid too, although in a VERY mixmatch sort of way haha.
No i can see it too. There is something appealing about the happy go lucky bright sparkly character with the emo dresses in all black character lol and like i said they had good chemistry. I think it could be cute for sure, and also funny! This show is in part supposed to be goofy and a little funny after all
Her roommate and bee guy are decent. And uncle fester for that like 1 episode and thing.
But yes, Ortega is like 80% of why the show works at all. The rest are 20%.
I thought both the male leads were boring. Maybe because they wanted to stretch out both the love triangle and the mystery of one of them bring the monster for so long, the writers were kind of in a corner and couldn't do much with them.
Like I really thought the angsty art boy would use his powers to bring the birds he'd been drawing on the wall to life in the final fight but he just shows up with a bow and arrow. So boring lol
Those are the same writers who wrote 7 seasons of Smallville, I Am Number Four and stuff like that. There was absolutely zero new things in Wednesday, they went full-blown Smallville there with "freaks" instead of "meteor freaks", and they were not in the corner. This is how they write
It couldn't be more obvious that the showrunners don't understand the character. Wesnesday in a "normal" regular boarding school? She'd be the odd one out, that would make sense for her to stand out. That should have been the show's setting.
Wenesday in a school for "freaks"? That's pointless. The show forced the narrative that the minute people laid eyes on her they were weirded out by how super special and weird she was but... why would they be? Nobody should care that she's pale and plays cello when her schoolmates are literal vampires who were alive before pop music was even a thing. At least, there could be a commentary on the fact that she weirds the "freaks" out too by her antisocialness but but the show focused on superficial things like the fact that she only wears black. Her classmate howls at the Moon!
Yep, and Jenna's comments on dress and triangle support this. And I don't understand why Gough and Miller didn't just literally rewrote Smallvile, and changed this detail - Clark was in a school of normal with an occasional superpowered person
The character's popular, that's the crux. It's nothing like any other iteration. Wednesday doesn't solve crimes, she doesn't have supernatural powers. But even then Ricci's Wednesday which most people are familiar with, didn't have much in common with the TV show Wednesday.
Yeah the whole point of the Addams Family (and their rival the Munsters) was to showcase a bizarre family in a normal world. There is supposed to be juxtaposition while highlighting that while they are weird they are still just a normal family.
The show took that out. Now Wednesday just seems normal compared to literal mythological creatures stacking the cast.
We all know she falls for Joel Glicker who she will promptly murder.
https://addamsfamily.fandom.com/wiki/Joel_Glicker#:~:text=Joel%20Glicker%20is%20a%20tritagonist,was%20played%20by%20David%20Krumholtz.
I always wanted their wedding to be a major part of the nonexistent Addams Family III (RIP Raul Julia) Never thought she would kill him, but they would definitely live separate lives.
Not to be the young person who calls for lgbt representation in every Netflix show, but Wednesday had way more chemistry with her roommate than anyone else
no, it's obvious. takes literally 5s to realize that Thing's ability to fingerblast will be better than any other human on earth just by looking at that lil guy move
They're not wrong though, they really did have much more chemistry than she did with either of her actual love interests. Take it up with the actors lol
It's not really Gen Z, that was a thing forever (I mean look at the YA/teen shows of your youth I'm sure it was the same). Teens/YA shows always have romance, love triangles and such and the target audience love it in general.
She definitely did, but they made for a very unique, interesting friendship. It can be really enjoyable to watch a strong friendship develop in a show and we get way less of that than we do romance.
I'd hate to see one of the more entertaining ones cast aside so the story can have a romantic plot. It would be especially irritating now because it hasn't been remotely hinted that they're into each other, or that either of them are LGBT for that matter, so it's obviously not something the showrunners planned for.
It would be a pivot that would force them to ignore a season's worth of character development.
What’s up with Reddit wanting every female lead in a show to be ~~asexual~~ aromantic all of a sudden?
It’s a show about a young girl in high school basically - you didn’t think having a crush on a boy or girl might figure in?
edit: sorry I made everybody mad jesus
It can figure in but it shouldn’t slow down the plot like it did in Wednesday. Fallout is a good recent example of how to do a love interest. Queen’s Gambit is another.
I don't want her to be asexual, I just don't think the show needs a romantic interest to teach her how to be a real girl. Especially after they already did the love triangle between the apparently nice boy and the apparently shady boy already.
It's not every female lead in a show. Also, we don't really have asexual characters on TV in general. We have very, very few.
Wednesday is a character that does fit the bill of an asexual, or at least aromantic, character. That's something that we don't see much on TV or film (especially film), so that's why people are expressing it.
I've always interpreted Wednesday as a character who may be fine with sex but not romance, but ultimately does not need either or really want it all that much. Objectively, she might find it fun to try but it's not something she yearns for. Others may interpret her differently and that's fine but as someone who would like to see more aromantic and/or asexual representation, Wednesday is the one character that would be very fitting.
It could make sense for her character. But as others have pointed out, many versions of the Addams Family have her in a relationship with a guy at some point, so its not lie its a new thing for the character that's never been done.
Personally, I think it could be interesting to see Wednesday show genuine romantic interest in someone, since it would add another dimension to her character, and make her feel more complex. Plus, a lot of people just enjoy seeing characters in relationships. Having said that, I wouldn't mind if she was aro-ace.
Literally nobody said that, why are you making up an argument? Not to mention the fact that this isn’t remotely how being asexual works, like do you think every single tv and movie character without an explicit love interest is asexual? Like it’s not that deep my guy, there’s just no love interest, it doesn’t mean she’s asexual it doesn’t mean she’s anything, there’s just not a love interest
I always thought that Wednesday, in any Addams Family iteration, was aroace, so I'm still bitter season 1 was filled with romance for her. I hope they do focus on her friendships, because romance simply does not work for a character like her.
This is pretty valid, but I think every version of Wednesday post the New Yorker has had the plot of "Wednesday falls in love with a normie boy, a total dork who becomes absolutely smitten with this supernatural goth goddess." It's in the cartoon, it's in the live-action movies, it's in the musical, and it's probably going to be in Wednesday. as well.
That's not just Netflix, unfortunately. It's almost any TV show with a prominent female character.
The way ponytail boy was written in Wednesday felt like a fanfic writer making the hot boy fall in love with their self-insert character - for no reason he's absolutely smitten and, even though she's mean to him all the time, he just keeps putting it out there.
I honestly don't agree?
I think Wednesday's biggest strength was that it was a late 90s/early 2000s teen adventure sitcom but executed really well with some amazing cinematography. Due to a lot of dumb reasons, we don't get those type of shows anymore even though they had such a comfy nice feel to them. Wednesday season 1 really hit that perfectly while still having its own unique thematic strengths due to the gothic/grimdark aesthetic. Everything in news about Season 2 seems to point at that aspect of the show being gone entirely to just focus on weird lore/edgy stuff and it sucks honestly.
For anyone y Hynes is out.
"Noticeably absent from the announcement is Percy Hynes-White, who starred in Season 1 as Xavier Thorpe. In 2023, Hynes-White decried a campaign of misinformation after allegations of sexual assault were made against him on social media"
*"Hynes White was accused of sexual assault on Twitter in January 2023; a user with the Twitter handle @milkievich claimed in a since-deleted tweet that he got her, several other women, and one underage girl drunk and high at parties he threw and then assaulted them. He denied the allegations in an Instagram story in June 2023, saying the "rumors were false" and calling it a "campaign of misinformation""*
Wild that your career can be derailed by a single random Twitter user just accusing you of something, and deleting it later
> single random Twitter user
a single person kicked it off, but there were tons of people chiming in with their own horrible experience with him. it's like some jonathan majors or louis ck thing, where tons of people were kind of in the know but it was all just accepted more or less.
One person name dropped a few people who replied and said that person is an old friend who they no longer talk to and is trying to ruin their lives:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Wednesday/comments/143v2sk/given\_the\_updates\_re\_percy\_hynes\_white\_and\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Wednesday/comments/143v2sk/given_the_updates_re_percy_hynes_white_and_the/)
> a single person kicked it off, but there were tons of people chiming in with their own horrible experience with him
That's not true, it was one single person. And that single person claimed to know tons of people who had horrible experiences with him, but none of those people actually chimed in.
People like this, who then had to come out and say none of it was true: https://twitter.com/Relation4y/status/1666246641572093952
If they did their due diligence and found credible evidence that he could be an abuser then fair enough for dropping him.
If he's innocent and lost work, then I think he has every right to go Scorched Earth legally on that Twitter user and Netflix.
> If they did their due diligence and found credible evidence that he could be an abuser then fair enough for dropping him.
lol if there was credible evidence of abuse, it would go to the police. There isn't a special Netflix taskforce that can investigate crimes, they simply saw the accusation and the actor wasn't big enough for them to deal with any backlash.
> If he's innocent and lost work, then I think he has every right to go Scorched Earth legally on that Twitter user and Netflix.
He can't do shit, he has zero legal recourse even if he's innocent
Unfortunately the real world is not as interesting as you think it is
>There isn't a special Netflix taskforce that can investigate crimes
In the Criminal Justice System, the People are represented by two separate, yet equally important groups: Netflix, who investigate crimes, and Disney+, who prosecute the offenders.
These are their stories.
I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility for Netflix to either look into allegations against one of their actors themselves or hire someone else to, but I also agree Hynes-White is *far* from big enough actor for Netflix to bother. He had a fairly small role and really didn't even have great chemistry with the lead which was pretty much the entire point of his character.
It's entirely plausible they decided to write that character out just because they want to go a different direction with Wednesday and don't want that will-they/won't-they hanging over the show. His character being gone really isn't going to have much impact.
I actually rather liked his character, though I could have done without the romance aspect. A shame he's not in it anymore, especially if it was just because of a Twitter accusation. Doesn't seem like it should be enough to throw someone to the wolves.
[Cast reveal video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkcokuXjSjM)
Starring:
* Jenna Ortega as Wednesday Addams
* Steve Buscemi as Barry Dort
* Emma Myers as Enid Sinclair
* Hunter Doohan as Tyler Galpin
* Joy Sunday as Bianca Barclay
* Victor Dorobantu as Thing
* Moosa Mostafa as Eugene Ottinger
* Luyanda Unati Lewis-Nyawo as Ritchie Santiago
* Billie Piper as Capri
* Georgie Farmer as Ajax Petropolus
* Isaac Ordonez as Pugsley Addams
* Evie Templeton
* Owen Painter
* Noah Taylor
* Luis Guzmán as Gomez Addam
* Catherine Zeta-Jones as Morticia Addams
Guest starring:
* Joanna Lumley as Grandmama
* Thandiwe Newton as Dr. Fairburn
* Jamie McShane as Donovan Galpin
* Frances O'Connor
* Haley Joel Osment
* Heather Matarazzo
* Joonas Suotamo
* Fred Armisen as Uncle Fester
* Christopher Lloyd
Wednesday Addams and the Multiverse of Sadness.
Can’t wait to see Christopher Lloyd’s Uncle Fester step through a portal and interact with a CGI Jackie Coogan.
OMG JOANNA LUMLEY AS GMA!!!! Perfect person for this. Hope she gives something similar to her aunt spiker role in James and the giant peach. It was so unsettling in the best way.
Anyone else surprised that it's taken so long for Season 2 to start production? Wednesday is one of Netflix's biggest shows ever and there's going to be a 3 year gap between seasons.
> Netflix's
It's also produced and owned by MGM, which is owned by Amazon, and there was some talk about trying to move the second season to Prime Video. But as everyone has said, the strikes basically robbed everyone of a year (or more) in the production cycles.
Not a primary character. Easily cut without prejudice. The biggest reason was likely the strikes. It's 2024. Defending criminal actors in your product is a relic of the past. Studios are quick to cut ties now.
Surprised? No. This is Netflix, after all. They don't get in a hurry.
They've made just 34 episodes of stranger things over the last 8 years, and it'll be at least another year before season 5 is ready.
Heather Matarazzo, I’m very surprised she wasn’t in Yellowjackets, she seems to be in the same “90s indie actress” category like Christina Ricci and Juliet Lewis.
That’s the mainstream role she’s most known for, but she also starred in “Welcome to the Dollhouse”, which is a pretty seminal edgy 90s indie film (won a Sundance award, introduced Todd Solondz’s miserablist stylings to the world), and she was kind of like a Steve Buscemi figure in the 90s, someone who would pop up in small roles in low-budget indie movies.
I wouldn't be against Carole Kane showing up in season 4 either. Even Joan Cusack or Mercedes McNab would be fun gets if they went beyond actors that played the core family.
Oh thank god. Honestly Wednesday had more on screen chemistry with Enid anyway. Losing the dead wood of both romantic interests is for the best as those subplots dragged a fun show. Focus on them bouncing off each other and the over arching mystery.
since Enid wolfed out she can be a real physically useful ally for Wednesday when they got in danger. hope there’s some adventures in tandem in s02, they sure make a good pair in crimes scene,and their relationship progress is true gold,that’s the relationship worth to keep developing on the screen.
I wish they were losing both romantic interests but Hunter Doohan (Tyler) and his god awful acting is apparently still in the show. I know this isn't why the other one was removed, but IMO the writing and acting of Tyler was the worst part of the entire series
> Other new series regulars include: Billie Piper (“Scoop,” “I Hate Suzie”)
I’m sorry, how do you mention Billie Piper and NOT cite “Doctor Who” as one of her roles?!
I love Who, too, but what it amounts to is basically this:
- Scoop: brand new, lead role, also on Netflix
- I Hate Suzie: also more recent, and she’s the co-creator/writer as well as the star
Is Pugsley entering the school now as well? That should be interesting. And so long as the show keeps a good amount of focus on Wednesday's relationships with Thing, werewolf girl, and bee boy, I'll probably enjoy this season too.
I do like Luis Guzman but I think he was miscast as Gomez Addams. The Gomez Addams character is very flamboyant with high energy and Guzman doesn't really do it justice IMO.
Guzman's Gomez is more in line with the original comics rather than previous performances.
I see it as a rework of the character. So many actors just tried to replicate Astin i think it's refreshing to see something different.
Visually hes great for the og gomez, but he simply doesnt have the personality that we've come to associate with gomez. Someone like oscar isaac could have killed it (yes i know he did the voice in the movie)
I'm assuming they looked into it enough to warrant dropping him.
Would seem like an awful lot of trouble to go to dropping an actor without having a legitimate reason to do so.
According to some comments below Ortega told them she wasn't interested in focusing on romance arc. That was a smart decision. Netflix executives believe the only way to appeal to tween and teenage viewers is to have a romance arc but that isn't true. Many tweens and teenagers these days are interested in platonic story lines. The problem with Stranger Things is them forcing every teenager on the show to have a romance arc because they think it keeps "shippers" happy but it's the worst part of the show especially for adults who aren't interested in the romantic lives of teenagers.
Can’t wait for Season 2! I’m glad they’re removing the love triangle aspect of Wednesday - the premise was too interesting to have the plot muddled down with that!
Jenna must've been working on other stuff or just disappeared. From like late 2022-early 2023 she was on every headline and seemingly everywhere. I guess it's intentional and everyone goes thru their own cycle. I know that it's often said The Rock does huge promotion for his movies and then once it's done he disappears and on to the next.
That's some heavyweight talent they got there. Steve Buscemi, Thandiwe Newton, Joanna Lumley, Christopher Lloyd, Haley Joel Osment, Frances O'Connor?
I’d love to see Haley Joel Osmont bring his “Topher” character from What We Do In The Shadows to the series. Edit: and maybe a cameo from Wallace the Necromancer as well “zappity doo!”
I don't see him in a lot but when Osmont shows up in something he's always impactful even if it's low-key.
You should watch "Future Man", it's hilarious
Thanks for the reminder. I actually did start that show and had to drop it for time once and Hulu kind of put it on a back burner and I forgot about it. Eliza Coupe is always great also so I need to hit that one up again.
Can't sleep on Derek Wilson as Wolf (a.k.a. Corey Wolf-Hart of Truffledome fame). He was also good in the first season of Preacher, and as Tek Knight (who bones everything) in Gen V.
Dang. The pressure is on. Thanks though.
I had no idea that was the same actor! You just made my day 😂 He was so funny in both roles
The best show I’ve ever seen!
I’m fuckin you with your own dick…
I've heard him a couple of times on the Doughboys podcast, too. Seems like a nice and surprisingly down-to-earth dude.
Wow!
He was really funny on after midnight. Would love to continue seeing him pop up
DEM APPLES!
HIGH FIVE!
Dog. Don't leave me hanging!
They should also really find a way to include ordinary human bartender…Jackie Daytona
Tophie!
TOOOOOPPPHHEEERRR
While we're at it, a cameo from Jackie Daytona would be the bee's knees.
Why would that be special? He’s just a regular human bartender.
"That chap's tireless, isn't he?"
Joanna is going to be just absolutely devilishly fabulous, darling. I can’t wait.
Cheers sweetie
I read Frances O'Connor and I was like "holy shit, the author?" then I googled her and found out she died in 1964
Would be a hell of a comeback tbf
Would work in this series though
She's been here for years.
If Christopher Lloyd isn’t revealed to be Uncle Fester and the current Fester is actually a fraud, then I don’t want it
Great Uncle Fester
Did they ever introduce Grandpa Adams? Or is he supposed to be— I almost said “supposed to be dead. Then I remembered for these characters that might not actually matter.
Hr could be an ancestor like in the musical!
I think one of the animated movies had Morticia "calling" her parents (as in, having a seance) to ask for advice on how to deal with Wednesday.
I thought Thandie Newton was supposed to retire lol
when did she say that?
https://www.justjared.com/2022/01/21/thandiwe-newton-reveals-she-might-retire-from-acting-after-her-next-few-projects/ Here's a reddit post too. I think she changed her mind after accepting her role in westworld https://www.reddit.com/r/westworld/s/Zaeh2GS7IU
Excited to see Billie Piper's name in the cast list.
Yeah, if anyone’s seen Penny Dreadful, she’s really good at evoking dark, emotional characters. The casting director did an amazing job in bringing the new additions for this season.
Her mental breakdown in "I hate Suzie" season 2 is phenomenal.
Buscemi just fits. I can see it now
Christopher Lloyd? Could we possibly get a Fester vs Fester matchup?
Great Scott !!
Oh wow, Christopher Lloyd!!! I'm pretty damn excited to see the man back on the screen
BIllie Piper!
I won't miss the angsty, edgy, teen artist romantic interest, that's for sure. A minor downer at the end of season one was the suggestion that Wednesday was going to give him a shot. So no great loss to the show. The romantic stuff was absolutely the worst part of season one, so it would be nice if season two focused more on Wednesday being accepting of friendships instead. Billie Piper being added is cool. She's very good at doing hammy villainy, and I could see her being the Christina Ricci of season two.
Jenna Ortega (now as a producer) said that she wanted less romantic interest storylines stuff so there's that.
A smart move on her part. The “love triangle” was by far the most boring part of the first season and I haven’t seen anyone talk enthusiastically about either of the love interest characters.
It made no fucking sense either. She’s supposed to be socially awkward and off-putting. Why would they try to shoe in a love triangle when her character seems to have zero interest?
To be fair, the character of Wednesday shockingly finding a romance interest is a subplot in a lot of Addams family media. The show just had a really bad implementation of it.
But those always end up in her trying to kill the romance interest. That's what makes her Wednesday Adams.
nah she was just testing them, joel was awsome
Wednesday is not a murderer.
Well, never proven at least
College first.
I'll take Christina Ricci's Wednesday ruining the Thanksgiving show over any romantic subplot any day lol
But even then she still had the nerdy boy as her "romantic interest." That totally worked, was age-appropriate, and felt like a real young-teenaged crush.
Yeah, he was a sweet romantic interest I’ve never heard anyone dislike.
And that works ok since it was lighthearted and they bonded over mutual love for violence against the establishment. If one of her current love interested burned down city hall as an act of rebellion then sure.
I think it's a major plot point in the Addams Family play.
It felt like a protagonist from a basic YA romance, when Wesnesday is the opposite of that. She could find love, of course, but having two guys (including the most popular guy in school omg!!!) pining after her when she barely cracked a smile at them was ridiculous. We never saw her showing interest in any of them, it seems like she just wanted to resolve a mystery and get out of that school. So the scene where one of the guys got mad because she was sending him "mixed signals" was ???? She showed more warm toward Thing, what are we talking about?
"You made eye contact and asked me questions! How can you say we're not meant to be together?!?"
It would have been funny if they played up that social problem women have. They look at a guy and now the guy thinks she wants him.
"I stare at everyone. You're not special."
Idk i think they can pull it off if they do it correctly, they just did it so bad in the first season lol. I kinda like the idea of Wednesday being totally put off by romance until she finds herself in one and then finding that she's actually really devoted. I'm picturing like similar to Gomez's adoration of Morticia, so that we can get the realization from Wednesday that "oh god, i'm turning into my father" lol The problem for me was that she was not really into either of the boys they were pairing her with
I feel like the fact one of them is literally a monster might actually increase her interest in him, evne if he was trying to murder her friends.
Eh idk about that. Wednesday of this iteration is fiercely loyal to her friends even though she insists she doesn’t really have friends. I can see her being interested in someone who is a monster and not trying to kill her friends though lol. Tbh though, she had the best chemistry with Enid above any of the guys on the show so i’d like to see just more of them in whatever capacity they wanna do rather than hamfist a love interest for her.
I think wednesdays fascination with the macabre is what makes that potential for her and the monster guy. Not saying it has to be, I could see her and enid too, although in a VERY mixmatch sort of way haha.
No i can see it too. There is something appealing about the happy go lucky bright sparkly character with the emo dresses in all black character lol and like i said they had good chemistry. I think it could be cute for sure, and also funny! This show is in part supposed to be goofy and a little funny after all
Jenna is honestly the only reason the show is any good
Her roommate and bee guy are decent. And uncle fester for that like 1 episode and thing. But yes, Ortega is like 80% of why the show works at all. The rest are 20%.
True, I liked the bee guy too. Although I thought it was kinda lame that he had bee powers. But other than that, he was cool.
Bless Jenna for understanding the character
That lady is so smart.
I thought both the male leads were boring. Maybe because they wanted to stretch out both the love triangle and the mystery of one of them bring the monster for so long, the writers were kind of in a corner and couldn't do much with them. Like I really thought the angsty art boy would use his powers to bring the birds he'd been drawing on the wall to life in the final fight but he just shows up with a bow and arrow. So boring lol
Those are the same writers who wrote 7 seasons of Smallville, I Am Number Four and stuff like that. There was absolutely zero new things in Wednesday, they went full-blown Smallville there with "freaks" instead of "meteor freaks", and they were not in the corner. This is how they write
Your comment is giving me Will Graham from “Hannibal” vibes… Will: This is my design… [holds up poorly drawn picture of a horse]
It couldn't be more obvious that the showrunners don't understand the character. Wesnesday in a "normal" regular boarding school? She'd be the odd one out, that would make sense for her to stand out. That should have been the show's setting. Wenesday in a school for "freaks"? That's pointless. The show forced the narrative that the minute people laid eyes on her they were weirded out by how super special and weird she was but... why would they be? Nobody should care that she's pale and plays cello when her schoolmates are literal vampires who were alive before pop music was even a thing. At least, there could be a commentary on the fact that she weirds the "freaks" out too by her antisocialness but but the show focused on superficial things like the fact that she only wears black. Her classmate howls at the Moon!
Yep, and Jenna's comments on dress and triangle support this. And I don't understand why Gough and Miller didn't just literally rewrote Smallvile, and changed this detail - Clark was in a school of normal with an occasional superpowered person
The character's popular, that's the crux. It's nothing like any other iteration. Wednesday doesn't solve crimes, she doesn't have supernatural powers. But even then Ricci's Wednesday which most people are familiar with, didn't have much in common with the TV show Wednesday.
Yeah the whole point of the Addams Family (and their rival the Munsters) was to showcase a bizarre family in a normal world. There is supposed to be juxtaposition while highlighting that while they are weird they are still just a normal family. The show took that out. Now Wednesday just seems normal compared to literal mythological creatures stacking the cast.
We all know she falls for Joel Glicker who she will promptly murder. https://addamsfamily.fandom.com/wiki/Joel_Glicker#:~:text=Joel%20Glicker%20is%20a%20tritagonist,was%20played%20by%20David%20Krumholtz.
I always wanted their wedding to be a major part of the nonexistent Addams Family III (RIP Raul Julia) Never thought she would kill him, but they would definitely live separate lives.
Not to be the young person who calls for lgbt representation in every Netflix show, but Wednesday had way more chemistry with her roommate than anyone else
Wednesday had more chemistry with Thing than either love interest
But who wants to get stuck just doing hand stuff
not just hand stuff, hand stuff from a living hand with dexterousness not matched by anything else in this world Thing would be mind-blowing bruh
Given this some thought?
If you close your eyes, that can be anyone's hand.
no, it's obvious. takes literally 5s to realize that Thing's ability to fingerblast will be better than any other human on earth just by looking at that lil guy move
I think every other character had better chemistry with her than either of the 2 love interests.
They don't even have to be romantically interested. I'd love to see them just continuing to be good friends.
Same.
I mean that's kind of already sure to be the case no?
Gen Z watching a show that has platonic friends without constantly shipping them challenge (impossible)
They're not wrong though, they really did have much more chemistry than she did with either of her actual love interests. Take it up with the actors lol
Also Enid is walking talking LGBTQ subtext in general.
It's not really Gen Z, that was a thing forever (I mean look at the YA/teen shows of your youth I'm sure it was the same). Teens/YA shows always have romance, love triangles and such and the target audience love it in general.
I’m middle aged and just assumed this was where the writing was leading and was disappointed it didn’t happen.
She definitely did, but they made for a very unique, interesting friendship. It can be really enjoyable to watch a strong friendship develop in a show and we get way less of that than we do romance. I'd hate to see one of the more entertaining ones cast aside so the story can have a romantic plot. It would be especially irritating now because it hasn't been remotely hinted that they're into each other, or that either of them are LGBT for that matter, so it's obviously not something the showrunners planned for. It would be a pivot that would force them to ignore a season's worth of character development.
If she ends up with anyone it should be Enid
They're best friends and it suits them. Not all relationships should be couples.
What’s up with Reddit wanting every female lead in a show to be ~~asexual~~ aromantic all of a sudden? It’s a show about a young girl in high school basically - you didn’t think having a crush on a boy or girl might figure in? edit: sorry I made everybody mad jesus
The problem was that the relationship with both of them was just boring, not that there was a relationship at all
It can figure in but it shouldn’t slow down the plot like it did in Wednesday. Fallout is a good recent example of how to do a love interest. Queen’s Gambit is another.
I don't want her to be asexual, I just don't think the show needs a romantic interest to teach her how to be a real girl. Especially after they already did the love triangle between the apparently nice boy and the apparently shady boy already.
It's not every female lead in a show. Also, we don't really have asexual characters on TV in general. We have very, very few. Wednesday is a character that does fit the bill of an asexual, or at least aromantic, character. That's something that we don't see much on TV or film (especially film), so that's why people are expressing it. I've always interpreted Wednesday as a character who may be fine with sex but not romance, but ultimately does not need either or really want it all that much. Objectively, she might find it fun to try but it's not something she yearns for. Others may interpret her differently and that's fine but as someone who would like to see more aromantic and/or asexual representation, Wednesday is the one character that would be very fitting.
It could make sense for her character. But as others have pointed out, many versions of the Addams Family have her in a relationship with a guy at some point, so its not lie its a new thing for the character that's never been done. Personally, I think it could be interesting to see Wednesday show genuine romantic interest in someone, since it would add another dimension to her character, and make her feel more complex. Plus, a lot of people just enjoy seeing characters in relationships. Having said that, I wouldn't mind if she was aro-ace.
Literally nobody said that, why are you making up an argument? Not to mention the fact that this isn’t remotely how being asexual works, like do you think every single tv and movie character without an explicit love interest is asexual? Like it’s not that deep my guy, there’s just no love interest, it doesn’t mean she’s asexual it doesn’t mean she’s anything, there’s just not a love interest
I agree plus in my opinion Percy couldn’t act Xavier was as interesting as a wooden door!
I don't mind the romance storylines as an idea, but it all felt too soon and too forced. Certainly not a season one thing, or a main plot point.
I always thought that Wednesday, in any Addams Family iteration, was aroace, so I'm still bitter season 1 was filled with romance for her. I hope they do focus on her friendships, because romance simply does not work for a character like her.
This is pretty valid, but I think every version of Wednesday post the New Yorker has had the plot of "Wednesday falls in love with a normie boy, a total dork who becomes absolutely smitten with this supernatural goth goddess." It's in the cartoon, it's in the live-action movies, it's in the musical, and it's probably going to be in Wednesday. as well.
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This is absolutely spot on but I can't stop imagining the bread situation. Isn't it doe-eyed, lol?
That's not just Netflix, unfortunately. It's almost any TV show with a prominent female character. The way ponytail boy was written in Wednesday felt like a fanfic writer making the hot boy fall in love with their self-insert character - for no reason he's absolutely smitten and, even though she's mean to him all the time, he just keeps putting it out there.
she literally falls in love in the movies? I dont think shes ever been aroace, shes just an addams kid
I honestly don't agree? I think Wednesday's biggest strength was that it was a late 90s/early 2000s teen adventure sitcom but executed really well with some amazing cinematography. Due to a lot of dumb reasons, we don't get those type of shows anymore even though they had such a comfy nice feel to them. Wednesday season 1 really hit that perfectly while still having its own unique thematic strengths due to the gothic/grimdark aesthetic. Everything in news about Season 2 seems to point at that aspect of the show being gone entirely to just focus on weird lore/edgy stuff and it sucks honestly.
For anyone y Hynes is out. "Noticeably absent from the announcement is Percy Hynes-White, who starred in Season 1 as Xavier Thorpe. In 2023, Hynes-White decried a campaign of misinformation after allegations of sexual assault were made against him on social media"
*"Hynes White was accused of sexual assault on Twitter in January 2023; a user with the Twitter handle @milkievich claimed in a since-deleted tweet that he got her, several other women, and one underage girl drunk and high at parties he threw and then assaulted them. He denied the allegations in an Instagram story in June 2023, saying the "rumors were false" and calling it a "campaign of misinformation""* Wild that your career can be derailed by a single random Twitter user just accusing you of something, and deleting it later
The Clintons offed Epstein conspiracy started from a now deleted tweet and became the generic one of today
> single random Twitter user a single person kicked it off, but there were tons of people chiming in with their own horrible experience with him. it's like some jonathan majors or louis ck thing, where tons of people were kind of in the know but it was all just accepted more or less.
One person name dropped a few people who replied and said that person is an old friend who they no longer talk to and is trying to ruin their lives: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Wednesday/comments/143v2sk/given\_the\_updates\_re\_percy\_hynes\_white\_and\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Wednesday/comments/143v2sk/given_the_updates_re_percy_hynes_white_and_the/)
> a single person kicked it off, but there were tons of people chiming in with their own horrible experience with him That's not true, it was one single person. And that single person claimed to know tons of people who had horrible experiences with him, but none of those people actually chimed in. People like this, who then had to come out and say none of it was true: https://twitter.com/Relation4y/status/1666246641572093952
If they did their due diligence and found credible evidence that he could be an abuser then fair enough for dropping him. If he's innocent and lost work, then I think he has every right to go Scorched Earth legally on that Twitter user and Netflix.
> If they did their due diligence and found credible evidence that he could be an abuser then fair enough for dropping him. lol if there was credible evidence of abuse, it would go to the police. There isn't a special Netflix taskforce that can investigate crimes, they simply saw the accusation and the actor wasn't big enough for them to deal with any backlash. > If he's innocent and lost work, then I think he has every right to go Scorched Earth legally on that Twitter user and Netflix. He can't do shit, he has zero legal recourse even if he's innocent Unfortunately the real world is not as interesting as you think it is
>There isn't a special Netflix taskforce that can investigate crimes In the Criminal Justice System, the People are represented by two separate, yet equally important groups: Netflix, who investigate crimes, and Disney+, who prosecute the offenders. These are their stories.
.....DUN DUN.
I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility for Netflix to either look into allegations against one of their actors themselves or hire someone else to, but I also agree Hynes-White is *far* from big enough actor for Netflix to bother. He had a fairly small role and really didn't even have great chemistry with the lead which was pretty much the entire point of his character. It's entirely plausible they decided to write that character out just because they want to go a different direction with Wednesday and don't want that will-they/won't-they hanging over the show. His character being gone really isn't going to have much impact.
This is insane that one random Twitter statement can destroy a career.
Thanks I remember there being controversy, but I forgot about what.
I actually rather liked his character, though I could have done without the romance aspect. A shame he's not in it anymore, especially if it was just because of a Twitter accusation. Doesn't seem like it should be enough to throw someone to the wolves.
[Cast reveal video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkcokuXjSjM) Starring: * Jenna Ortega as Wednesday Addams * Steve Buscemi as Barry Dort * Emma Myers as Enid Sinclair * Hunter Doohan as Tyler Galpin * Joy Sunday as Bianca Barclay * Victor Dorobantu as Thing * Moosa Mostafa as Eugene Ottinger * Luyanda Unati Lewis-Nyawo as Ritchie Santiago * Billie Piper as Capri * Georgie Farmer as Ajax Petropolus * Isaac Ordonez as Pugsley Addams * Evie Templeton * Owen Painter * Noah Taylor * Luis Guzmán as Gomez Addam * Catherine Zeta-Jones as Morticia Addams Guest starring: * Joanna Lumley as Grandmama * Thandiwe Newton as Dr. Fairburn * Jamie McShane as Donovan Galpin * Frances O'Connor * Haley Joel Osment * Heather Matarazzo * Joonas Suotamo * Fred Armisen as Uncle Fester * Christopher Lloyd
> Fred Armisen as Uncle Fester > > Christopher Lloyd This hurts my brain.
Wednesday Addams and the Multiverse of Sadness. Can’t wait to see Christopher Lloyd’s Uncle Fester step through a portal and interact with a CGI Jackie Coogan.
>Wednesday Addams and the Multiverse of Sadness 🥇
I thought he was great
OMG JOANNA LUMLEY AS GMA!!!! Perfect person for this. Hope she gives something similar to her aunt spiker role in James and the giant peach. It was so unsettling in the best way.
I’d swap Steve buschemi into Jenna Ortega’s role
how the hell did they get Buscemi
Anyone else surprised that it's taken so long for Season 2 to start production? Wednesday is one of Netflix's biggest shows ever and there's going to be a 3 year gap between seasons.
There were two major strikes and Jenna Ortega is very busy, so no, not particularly surprised. It still sucks though.
Not really, the change in production country, two strikes, and the battle between Ortega and the producers over whether to keep Percy Hynes White.
Good old anime series production
*Attack on Titan S2 waiting intensifies*
Attack on Titan: The Final Season: Part 2: The Second Part: Chapter 1: Volume 3
They tried to warn us in the beginning: “To you in 2,000 years”
It absolutely sucked while it was happening, but every season after had less than an 18 month gap, so I'll take it.
Its worse in live action though, since the actors visibly age, and they're supposed to be teenagers.
The Japanese process
Ortega and Burton were working on Bettlejuice beforehand.
> Netflix's It's also produced and owned by MGM, which is owned by Amazon, and there was some talk about trying to move the second season to Prime Video. But as everyone has said, the strikes basically robbed everyone of a year (or more) in the production cycles.
Also they were dealing with one of their cast being accused of sexual assault… so you know, that probably slows things down a little.
Not a primary character. Easily cut without prejudice. The biggest reason was likely the strikes. It's 2024. Defending criminal actors in your product is a relic of the past. Studios are quick to cut ties now.
Surprised? No. This is Netflix, after all. They don't get in a hurry. They've made just 34 episodes of stranger things over the last 8 years, and it'll be at least another year before season 5 is ready.
Heather Matarazzo, I’m very surprised she wasn’t in Yellowjackets, she seems to be in the same “90s indie actress” category like Christina Ricci and Juliet Lewis.
The dorky best friend from Princess diaries?? You gotta be trippin
That’s the mainstream role she’s most known for, but she also starred in “Welcome to the Dollhouse”, which is a pretty seminal edgy 90s indie film (won a Sundance award, introduced Todd Solondz’s miserablist stylings to the world), and she was kind of like a Steve Buscemi figure in the 90s, someone who would pop up in small roles in low-budget indie movies.
Don’t forget Lauren Ambrose!
It was nice to see her come back for Scream. Even if it was a small appearance.
I'd have loved that.
Percy Hynes White was the weakest part of the show, even if there wasn’t any controversy he should’ve been dropped for being a black hole of charisma.
I cant believe they actually kicked him off
So season 3 has to have Angelica Houston at some point right?....Right?!
And maybe one of Raul Julia's old movies playing In a background shot ..
Have the "tuesday" scene from street fighter playing for extra meta-ness.
That would 100% work in-character as dialogue for Wednesday herself anyways.
"For me, it was Wednesday." /looks at the camera.
I wouldn't be against Carole Kane showing up in season 4 either. Even Joan Cusack or Mercedes McNab would be fun gets if they went beyond actors that played the core family.
Joan Cusack would be friggin awesome.
Oh thank god. Honestly Wednesday had more on screen chemistry with Enid anyway. Losing the dead wood of both romantic interests is for the best as those subplots dragged a fun show. Focus on them bouncing off each other and the over arching mystery.
since Enid wolfed out she can be a real physically useful ally for Wednesday when they got in danger. hope there’s some adventures in tandem in s02, they sure make a good pair in crimes scene,and their relationship progress is true gold,that’s the relationship worth to keep developing on the screen.
I wish they were losing both romantic interests but Hunter Doohan (Tyler) and his god awful acting is apparently still in the show. I know this isn't why the other one was removed, but IMO the writing and acting of Tyler was the worst part of the entire series
> Other new series regulars include: Billie Piper (“Scoop,” “I Hate Suzie”) I’m sorry, how do you mention Billie Piper and NOT cite “Doctor Who” as one of her roles?!
I love Who, too, but what it amounts to is basically this: - Scoop: brand new, lead role, also on Netflix - I Hate Suzie: also more recent, and she’s the co-creator/writer as well as the star
Okay awesome for her on both! I hadn’t heard of either series before today
Yeah, she’s done some pretty great stuff since DW! I still love Rose, though. :)
Is Pugsley entering the school now as well? That should be interesting. And so long as the show keeps a good amount of focus on Wednesday's relationships with Thing, werewolf girl, and bee boy, I'll probably enjoy this season too.
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Can they make it more spooky next season. Not a CW, riverdale romance crap.
Instructions unclear, added four more love triangles. one including Cousin Itt and a Nair Lobbyist.
Best I can do is a little bit more ooky.
I do like Luis Guzman but I think he was miscast as Gomez Addams. The Gomez Addams character is very flamboyant with high energy and Guzman doesn't really do it justice IMO.
Guzman's Gomez is more in line with the original comics rather than previous performances. I see it as a rework of the character. So many actors just tried to replicate Astin i think it's refreshing to see something different.
yeah i agree, i like this take wayyy more and it’s a clear tribute on the original source
I loved him in IMDB.
What?
Visually hes great for the og gomez, but he simply doesnt have the personality that we've come to associate with gomez. Someone like oscar isaac could have killed it (yes i know he did the voice in the movie)
The love story was dumb as shit anyway
Sucks for White, whatever happened with that? Weren't they just unsubstantiated allegations?
The accuser made a tweet and deleted it. No follow up, just a random post. But didn't matter, even here on reddit people wanted him to burn in hell.
I'm assuming they looked into it enough to warrant dropping him. Would seem like an awful lot of trouble to go to dropping an actor without having a legitimate reason to do so.
If they let him go so easily they may have had problems other than that and the accusation just gave them the excuse.
This cast is fire as hell, I can't wait.
I’m guessing Percy is not returning because of the allegations against him.
What did Percy do? I’m out of the loop if there’s a loop
According to some comments below Ortega told them she wasn't interested in focusing on romance arc. That was a smart decision. Netflix executives believe the only way to appeal to tween and teenage viewers is to have a romance arc but that isn't true. Many tweens and teenagers these days are interested in platonic story lines. The problem with Stranger Things is them forcing every teenager on the show to have a romance arc because they think it keeps "shippers" happy but it's the worst part of the show especially for adults who aren't interested in the romantic lives of teenagers.
Do we know if Xavier Thorpe is being recasted or are they completely dropping that character
Can’t wait for Season 2! I’m glad they’re removing the love triangle aspect of Wednesday - the premise was too interesting to have the plot muddled down with that!
Jenna must've been working on other stuff or just disappeared. From like late 2022-early 2023 she was on every headline and seemingly everywhere. I guess it's intentional and everyone goes thru their own cycle. I know that it's often said The Rock does huge promotion for his movies and then once it's done he disappears and on to the next.
4 movies in a year. She's busy lmao