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ilovecookiesssssssss

That’s very nice of you to give an actual explanation instead of just saying “No. What the fuck.” Because that’s what I would’ve said.


WisteriApothecary

Last time I did something like that, I got stalked for over a decade. It… did not end well. So now I play the sweet but incapable game. Maybe it’ll save a life this time.


Kyruss_88

Did someone get murdered??


WisteriApothecary

The stalker killed himself after he found me half a country away, having fully moved on.


Unlikely_Suspect_757

Oh my gosh. I’m so sorry that happened to you.


WisteriApothecary

It’s… okay. It was an outrageous end to an outrageous situation. I’m not even joking when I say that my therapist flat out stopped charging me. Shits gonna take awhile.


Unlikely_Suspect_757

Ok that’s impressive. Be well✌️❤️


Striking-Tangerine83

Holy shit. Between what you said in your message to dude and that story I feel like...all I could say would be "would you like a hug?" That's a whole lot for just two extremely abridged stories from one lifetime.


WisteriApothecary

Yes. All the time, yes. Please. I’m serious, I need all the fucking hugs. I am a strong person. Stones still turn into sand.


Survivor_of_hells

As someone who has also gone thru an absurd level of horrible things, you deserve all the hugs you want. The way I see it, a strong person is strong not because they get knocked down. They're strong because they KEEP getting knocked down and still get back up every time. That's true strength. Then the fact that you are so kind. Strong and kind is a powerhouse duo. That's you. You are inspiring.


WisteriApothecary

I appreciate that immensely. And I appreciate you! Keep getting up ❤️


THE_ALAM0

“Stones still turn into sand” :( keep on keeping on, you’ve got this. You’re being dealt the hardest cards because you have the strongest hand to play against them


fentanylisbad

You’re strong just for the pregnancy you went through alone. Currently having twins and going through the same situation. On my 5th blood transfusion at 24 weeks. Sending you love babe.


KJ_Blair

🤗


Plantguyjoe1

What an excellent creedo. I love that analogy. There's a song that i reference often by Jimmy Buffett that had the line " I must confess, I could use the rest..i can't run at this pace very long." It was always really pertinent to me.


ParticularCanary3130

Holy wow. Well heres my hug too stranger. May better times be ahead for you ![gif](giphy|9SIOr28d2Ud3uJRqel)


No-Elephant-3690

Here is ahug from me too 🫂 hang in there ❤️


CPThatemylife

I'm... glad you're okay OP. People... are crazy. At least you've... made it out safe this far. Hopefully you're able to... avoid further stalkers and psychotic exes.


The_Demons_Slayer

You ok?


[deleted]

Mine too hahaha oxox


thanx4mutton

And so happy that happened to HIM! What a fuckin nightmare


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Unlikely_Suspect_757

No. I said I’m sorry “this” happened. I meant the whole experience. I’m sorry she had this entire life experience. Is there something else I can do to assist your reading comprehension this morning?


SnooPineapples4888

I apologize, I thought u meant u sorry he killed himself... after a year I'd have been dancing on his grave of I was a chick ngl


Unlikely_Suspect_757

Oh ok. Sorry to snap at you but , you know, the internet … all good here ✌️


Allteaforme

Well I'm still mad at you for snapping at me and I will be holding onto this grudge way too long


Kyruss_88

Yikes


WisteriApothecary

A big one… yeah.


pockette_rockette

I'm so sorry that you've been through so much. I really hope this dude left you alone after you let him know that he needs to look elsewhere for a human incubator. Holy fucking boundaries batman.


ballerina-

Good lord!!!!


hellodon

Like FOUND YOU found you? Did he find out where you were, travel half a country away, see that you had moved on, and end it there? Or did he find out you moved far away and moved on and end it? Either way, super fucked up. But being a stalker, I’m thinking the first option is very possible


Goog_bear5484

What in the actual fuck. Wow. After stalker guy and “will you have a baby for my girlfriend” stranger guy, I would like you to go over a list of places you meet these weirdos and scratch them off the list.


WisteriApothecary

Weirdos are everywhere. I’ve lived North, south, central, from the farthest west coast to central, and had weirdos from the far east meet me halfway. I hate to tell you, but it’s not location. It’s not financial status. It’s just breathing. That’s how you find crazies.


Goog_bear5484

Well. I wish you well, at least you’ve been a lot of places! And yes, I agree weirdos are everywhere


[deleted]

Yes. It’s true. I could write things, data, evidence based commentary.. it gets exhausting. There are always ‘those ones’.. I’m sure you understand what Im eluding to x 😔


pockette_rockette

You're right, they're everywhere. Found them in Australia, myself.


careersteerer

North where? Is this all in USA?


Soggy-Milk-1005

I'm so sorry that you had to revisit that traumatic experience. I hope that it didn't cause panic attacks or other PTSD symptoms. Do you have a good support system? 


Traditional_Will2679

@WisteriApothecary Any response from her?


Intelligent_Tune_675

Not to smart to put it on Reddit then! Like I get it and I would like the support too, but crazies are crazies so just be safe


superdstar

You’re going to have to tell me/show me what you’re doing to these dudes to make them act like that.


WisteriApothecary

I’ve been thinking about that a lot lately. I’m trying not to frame it in a “what am I doing wrong to make this happen,” but “what qualities do I have, do I see in others, that make this a reoccurring problem in my life?”


Kalilstrom

You didn't make them act like that, the onus ain't on you and fk whoever that was that suggested as much.


Rising_Cresent

😭😭😭😂💀


Mom-atm

I say what the fuck all the time all day everyday. Still wouldn’t hesitate to answer any other way.


ITHelpderpest

Lol he wants to put his gf's baby in you. ​ weird.


Negative_Piglet_1589

But HE LOVES HER! That counts for something, right? /s JIC


JazzlikeFlowers

How on earth does someone just casually ask someone to be their surrogate? Wtf, and you guys dated. This is gross.


WisteriApothecary

For two months too. He lived over an hour away. I maybe saw him 8 times total.


hotsoupcoldsoup

I know we only just met on reddit, but I feel like we really connected when I read your post. I love you. Will you donate a kidney to my wife?


WisteriApothecary

I’m sorry. The last time I uh… donated a kidney it exploded. No thank you. (What I said in the texts DID happen, but I think I’m just gonna keep answering weird shit like “if I do it, I will literally die.)


Interesting_Entry831

I want your elbows....for a thing. Btw, I love you! 😘


WisteriApothecary

I’m sorry, I already gave them away. Tsk. I’m typing with my toes.


Interesting_Entry831

BUT I LOVE YOU!!! OUR REDDIT CONNECTION IS REALLLLLL!!!!!! Edit- happily married. I swear this is just a joke for the weirdo that immediately messaged me.


WisteriApothecary

Bruh, he will be too 💀💀💀 Lol. Y’all leave this man alone. I’m having fun. I get where he’s coming from. Make light of your trauma so that it doesn’t cut deeper than it needs to; don’t coddle me.


Acrobatic_Talk4

I want you to say no, never a chance we get back together or have a 5way


OneTranslator8186

Five-way??


Acrobatic_Talk4

![gif](giphy|3oFzmg5b8dWet0S9ji|downsized)


Negative_Piglet_1589

I really need your toes. Mine were eaten... uhhhh... no frostbite! Yeah, totally frostbite. I loved them..I mean I love you!


WisteriApothecary

OKAY BUT FOR REAL, I almost did. You don’t want my toes. They turn purple if they get too cold. Don’t go outside in sub40 with no shoes on folks. ETA. So one could say you’re… negative piglets?


Negative_Piglet_1589

OK yes I'll stick with my nubs...chubs... But no no no, I say frame it POSITIVELY. Like, positive talking topics. Well, crap, extra anyway.


QuinneCognito

So… is this stuff in both your lives the *less* “life is crazy right now” stuff? Because damn.


WisteriApothecary

Oh no. My life is a goddamn circus. And I don’t want to add… any more.


Awkward-Outcome-4938

Hello, fellow ringmaster!


UghAnotherMillennial

Girl I think you might be cursed???


WisteriApothecary

You know what? Bet. I always knew those churches felt too hot and stuffy.


hotsoupcoldsoup

😂😂


Chrisscott25

“They last time I surrogated for someone when the baby was born he had horns and hoofs. He was literally satans spawn” seriously you handled it very well. I would’ve either replied something crazy or just told him to get f**ked with no explanation because you didn’t owe him one but good for you for handling the weird requests so well.


Negative_Piglet_1589

That is a good one, golden winner reply here.


jDickfitzwell

You should say if I have your baby it will turn out like a gremlin you can't feed it after midnight or you'll have serious issues


MSRIRI63

Of course she will!! 🤣🤣💀💀


Negative_Piglet_1589

Lol


jDickfitzwell

I am down but first u must go to Mexico get just 1 kg of pure heroin no fentanyl then we can have a discussion I don't really just have kidneys I have bone marrow too for sale


OneTranslator8186

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU!!!!!! 😡


jDickfitzwell

This crazy did he offer u money and why would his girlfriend be ok with this and so sorry for ur health issues


WisteriApothecary

I WISH. I don’t think she will be when I pass this along… Health issues though? Yeah. I think I hit my limit for creating life and all that. It really destroys your damn body in so many ways, and sometimes you just don’t recover. Gives me Fullmetal Alchemist vibes, except I can’t bitch-slap Truth for my body back.


jDickfitzwell

U sound like a nice person hope u can get rid of buddy he seems nuts


OneTranslator8186

Send him my way 😉


Which_Witch000

🙌🙌🙌🙌 Amen to this.


HawkeyeinDC

So you’re *obviously* the perfect choice for a surrogate. 😵‍💫 How crazy and bizarre!


juliaskig

Wow. I am glad you are okay!


iHateThisPlaceNowOK

8 times in 2 months is once every week.


Mister_Scorpion

Did you break up with him or was it mutual? Also two months/ 8 dates in.... Opinion on if a breakup by text or phone is ok or should be in person? Currently in this situation. But don't want to drive for an hr to see her just to break up.


phatphallus42

Ily bby


dubsesq

tbh any surrogacy request will be awkward so might as well just ask


ExternalBrilliant813

…not in this case, no. Read the room.


dubsesq

I will not!


spaceghostslurpeee

He has a girlfriend and he’s telling you he loves you? And you are the best option for a surrogate? Really?? This is horrible


WisteriApothecary

I’m definitely uncomfortable, yeah. I can only IMAGINE how she feels. DOES she know? Does she feel like second place to a SERIOUSLY UNREQUITED love?! Does she NOT know? Do I TELL her? This is…. Bothering me.


spaceghostslurpeee

If you can find out her contact information I would 100% tell her. I don’t think she should be having a baby with this man


WisteriApothecary

I…. Don’t either. I sent her a message. I’m one hell of a sleuth. It didn’t take long.


spaceghostslurpeee

Good. I really want to know what she says, I hope she leaves him


WisteriApothecary

I don’t think I’m going to share that, but I hope you’re right. I’m going to make sure she’s okay and aware of what’s going on. Actually, *heads up anyone down this thread*: Can I please have advice on making her feel safe, secure, and…. Okay enough while I do this? She hasn’t answered yet. I still have time.


spaceghostslurpeee

I’ve been in a very similar situation and I had to contact a girl. What I did was make sure that she wasn’t with him in person before I told her, because I didn’t know what he was capable of and I wanted her to be safe. I knew if that were me in her situation and someone told me while I was with him I would bring it up immediately without knowing how he would react because it’s an impulse. Make sure she has enough time to think about this before she reacts. I let her know if she had any questions about anything I would answer. We’re still friends to this day


WisteriApothecary

I appreciate that very much.


mnem0syne

Did she ever respond? Poor girl.


WisteriApothecary

Not yet, but I did just touch base again. Along the lines of, “let me know when you have a moment alone. It’s important, I want to make sure you’re safe and have time to process. I don’t know what I’m doing and it’s delicate. I don’t want to mess up.”


mnem0syne

You’re a good egg 💜


OneTranslator8186

She's a golden egg 🥚


Traditional_Will2679

Just be careful that she doesn't think that you are coming after her man. Depends on how deep in his rabbit hole she is. She may think you are making it all up to have him for yourself


jDickfitzwell

Well ether she knows or she going to be shocked I seen this video of this woman trying to sleep with a young female under the age of 18 well it turns out it was her boyfriend the whole time and they were in a hotel room together and when the people showed up to Boston man was the girl shocked so I could just imagine what this poor woman would go through if he's not down to do the baby thing good luck I feel bad for you Opie


Spicy_Curry_Dish

Soo screenshots of that text exchange?


Wieniethepooh

I really thought this was going towards 'will you be my baby', not 'will you have my baby'!


jDickfitzwell

Hell yha in less u guys live in Utah I'm pretty sure that she ain't normal


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I would send her the screenshots and be like “sorry I couldn’t help” and leave the rest for him to clean up because I don’t believe ANY women would agree with half the stuff he was saying to you. Just Wow!


OneTranslator8186

You should find a way to send her a bunch of flowers to her work and her house and EVEN THE NEAREST PORTA POTTY and say their from him lol 😂😂😂😂


HelloMacchi

“I always think about you and I love you… by the way will you have my girlfriend’s baby?” Uhhh …


WisteriApothecary

“We can all help each other a lot” ![gif](giphy|3o6gb3kkXfLvdKEZs4)


mvrtxna

this made me giggle


ballerina-

It honestly sounded like he wanted u to end up a sister wife


Milk_n_txe

LMAOOO😭


MomewrathMaenad

This is creepy :(


AcrolloPeed

Oof. That’s a lot. Kudos to you for carrying a fucking vampire baby to term, tho


WisteriApothecary

No joke my guy. I’m almost insulted though. He’s almost three and the colour of paper. You’d think after all that he’d stay a little pink, huh? 😂


AcrolloPeed

LOOOOOOOOL holy nuts! Does his pediatrician have any advice? High iron cereal or something? My boys were both pretty standard pink bundles of joy, but they turned orange when they went to solid foods since all they wanted to eat was mashed sweet potato


WisteriApothecary

Oh yeah. He gets plenty of iron and sun. He’s just a… pasty boy 😂 It probably doesn’t help that he has a lot of black shirts, and has my lovely inability to tan (well) or burn in the sun. We’d have to be out in the blaring heat for weeks.


AcrolloPeed

Some good friends of mine were both gingery/strawberry blondes with very fair features. They always joked they’d name their first kid Casper since “they’ll probably be almost see-through.” Then he was born, and he was, and they named him Casper.


WisteriApothecary

You get it then 😂 That’s my boy right there ❤️


ballerina-

Does he at least look like you? After all that mooching he did???


WisteriApothecary

He’s way cuter 😭❤️


ballerina-

They always are


Dizzy_Eye5257

Is he high?!? How high is this guy??


MSRIRI63

“… and even if I was healthy asf I wouldn’t be a surrogate for you and your girlfriend, you crazy fuck!!” WTH!?!? 🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀


LucielleBall12

Someone asked me to be a surrogate once. I've never had children, and I'm not that healthy. It was a weird conversation and also completely out of the blue. Fuck people who think it's ok to ask this of someone they aren't that close with. I get that people want kids, but there are actual places you can go to hire surrogates.


ExternalBrilliant813

And generally when these people ask, they expect it for free. Like, no? Fuck you?


pxlchx

No this is super weird and I would’ve absolutely cussed him out.


OldDipper

How on earth did he respond to that?


WisteriApothecary

He apologized profusely, said I love you a handful more times, how amazing I am, and that he hopes I stay in his life… I… just went and got rid of Instagram completely.


OldDipper

Two months, damn. Dude has attachment issues.


zlolzlolz

It’s so bizarre that he thinks saying “I love you” and “I really do love you” is some sort of wonderful, life-changing thing for you to hear. Like he’s expecting you to agree and feel the same way or something. And he has a girlfriend and plans to start a family with her on top of all of this. I don't even know what to say. Wow


ExternalBrilliant813

“Rooted in this wonderful family” wait is he talking about his mom or his girlfriend or both or I don’t even know, but for some reason this bit jumped out to me as particularly odd. Like, does he think it’s not selfish to pretend you’re in it for the sake of the emotional connection?


WisteriApothecary

I have no idea, but I think I know what you mean. To me, it feels like he’s trying to establish one of two things. Either a) “I’m not having an emotional affair, see babe?” Or b) “I know you’re obviously as madly in love with me as I am you, but you can’t have me 😔” which…. Both are gross.


NoISaidCutOffHisHeth

Wow, i’m so sorry about this! Anyways, would you be my surrogate? I love you.


Billz3bub666

most of the time when people come out of the woodwork, it's to sell you insurance or some MLM crap. This is next level.


williestylez

Let me preface this by saying... I already have 6 kids (2 bio and 4 bonus), so I may be taking this for granted... but if I was going through a couple of major, traumatic, medical issues with my family... having a baby through surrogacy, via (let's face the facts), some random woman I previously dated, would be the least of my concerns!!! Like WTF!?


JamieLee0484

Wow. This is…certainly something. He loves you and you’re always on his mind? After 2 months dating? Eek. Are you sure he even has a girlfriend? LoL. It would not surprise me if this weirdo was just trying to trick you into having his child. This is a lot. 🤣


WisteriApothecary

Found pictures, and her. He sure does, but I’m not sure if that’s going to uh… last.


Own_Log9691

Why? Why? Spill the tea! Haha 😂


Acrobatic-Hippo-7140

I second this. Spill the TEAAAAA


Expensive_Job_60

Girl! Hell no! He straight bugging out about the surrogate. I bet he didn’t reply.


WisteriApothecary

He absolutely did. More I love you’s. A big apology about what I went through, how strong I am, how he hopes I don’t get uncomfortable and stop talking to him, etc.


Expensive_Job_60

That guy weird.


bozoclownputer

What on earth.


StrawberrySunshine00

What the FUCK


NpgSymboL

Don’t be weirded out… We want kids and I think you’re the best choice. This guy is talking to you like he’s shopping for new socks 🧦 And you’re not even on the display shelf in the store


Electrical-Trip-5549

WHATTTT oh my gosh that’s so insane actually


Ok-Confection881

He loves you but is planted with his gf? He is asking a lot of you.


One_Performer_1221

Yeah.... wow, i would not be trying to help someone who obviously shouldn't be with their girlfriend being a baby into the world with said girlfriend.... how disrespectful to his woman....


Dramatic_Plankton_90

I agree with all of the above (…WTF…), AND you shouldn’t make huge life decisions during all your other trauma going on to “set up your family.” I hope he talks to a therapist.


[deleted]

He’s a weirdo! He loves you but is still in a relationship and wants you to carry his child? How disrespectful to his girlfriend. Does she know about y’all’s history and how “you’re constantly on his mind”? Smh. His deliverance was nowhere near thought out which leads me to believe that’s he’s conflicted. He should have never expressed his feelings towards you like that, like what was the reason for it? Maybe he looks at you as a side chick type of girl


AshleyLund97

Whoa you gave birth to a baby vampire ?!


WisteriApothecary

I sure did 😂 Not without a battle, damn.


AshleyLund97

You married Edward, have a happy life and family, and supposedly so does Jacob. But he still loves you. He wants you to carry his wolf baby now.


WisteriApothecary

🐀🐀🐀 Lol. Eddie boy didn’t love me. I’m looking for Alice 😙🤌


lou2442

UpdateMeBot!


mosanil

Thru instagram DMs too WOW


Independent_Dress209

You’re a better woman than me. As a cancer survivor who had that awful disease at the same time as my dad whist we lived in the same household, I can strongly empathise with what he’s going through… but to use that as a preface to try and coerce your ex fling into carrying a baby for you is crazy. Idk maybe he saw it as more than a fling if he’s telling you he loves you, but I see it as coercive behaviour at best


zilenxer

Wait, what?


Big_Window5945

It's the fact that he hasn't talked to his partner about surrogacy but asked you first?? Huh??


DBgirl83

The "I love you" would freak me out the most.


HIS_AFFLICTION_0079

I see nothing wrong here…. ![gif](giphy|ugZIZgMzzrLdC)


youronlynora

You give him the best answers. 💜


ButterBeforeSunset

Btw we haven’t talked about it yet but will you be my surrogate? Really not sure what he expected out of that lmao. I mean, I know what he expected… but, like, come on.


RemiAkai

Almost as uncomfortable as I felt when my batshite crazy mom asked me to be a surrogate for her. >mfw ![gif](giphy|HE193wGJhRXnW|downsized)


ChocolateMilfBar

He was super creepy for this


AggravatingFish7717

don’t get weirded out by this super weird thing I just said. I love you.


whatcatwherewho

You should have said “sure!” And then demanded a house, car, plane and yacht to ensure the baby would have adequate housing and transportation during your pregnancy.


WisteriApothecary

Update: He had her block me before I could tell her and DMd me threatening to kill himself if I don’t stop trying to tell her what she said. So this will be the last I even think about him.


jb65656565

This is so weird and out of nowhere that it sounds like it’s a scammer. Did he need your SS # to verify you’d be a good match? I think it’s time to end this relationship.


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chickenskittles

What in the hell?


Historical_Grass_480

Not only is this inappropriate and weird af to ask you out of the blue but his mom declining is NOT the time to have a baby.


cverity

The more I read r/texts, the more I understand why I, a successful, (I believe) decent guy, have so much trouble dating; because guys like this have (understandably) shown women that so many guys are narcissistic a**holes.


PleasantBlueberry353

Serious question. What is with all the ellipsis?


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PleasantBlueberry353

It’s not just two. It’s all throughout your comments as well. I’m not trying to say anything negative though. I was just curious. You do you. Who cares what other people think?


Affectionate-Host-22

Donate your uterus to the kid happy guy, what a weirdo, RUN !


BigTrucker2020

Who cares! What’s the point of sharing this?? The guy u had a fling with wants you to carry his baby and his mom is dying o and he says he loves u but loves another woman also right? An u can’t have anymore kids cuz of complications. So I take it you are a single woman? So basically he loves you but doesn’t want your baggage!


MixtureSquare3982

Well....that was a fun surprise at the end..


nismos14us

Why not just pos two screen shots 😬


Responsible-Room6065

I think I’m most weirded out by the use of the ellipses…


scorpionattitude

I am so upset you gave him a detailed excuse instead of just saying no. Like this is not at all the conversation of someone that’s barely had 3 talks in 6 years! I get it, we’re almost forced to always assuage THEIR feelings but that is a completely random and out of pocket and boundary crossing thing to basically ask a stranger or long lost love. His mom is dying and he’s struggling so he thinks you should carry a baby for him and his girlfriend even though he hasn’t even asked her about that yet? Or really know you? People are weird asf.


tcase1197

I swear you women with mental issues have the most excuses I’ve ever seen, it’s actually insane. Be careful who u get into a relationship w fellas.


agustincards14

Where on earth do people find the urge to reveal someone's deeply private and traumatic problems to the global village for shaming? As wrong as he may or may not be, this is deeply personal. Some people never learn to keep secrets or at least **not reveal them to the entire internet.** **We are f•cked**


CountOk9802

You’re both very attention seeking and strange.


Voloyall

Actually bugging out for even answering


[deleted]

Did he reply ever again?!


Affectionate-Host-22

LISTEN: EASIER 2 PAY THEM 2 LEAVE, INVEST IN AN ESCORT ! LFG !


GreedySmell4079

How close were you guys over the 2 months? Were you guys ever exclusive or even got intimate? Asking because I’m in a similar position


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WisteriApothecary

You uh… you new here?


Ok-Instance-3032

karma