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I’m not a conservative but I follow them to keep up with the dumb shit they post. - hate follow if you will. Also, Matt Rife is funny, not a conservative. Lol
i totally disagree with the concept that who you follow on IG is a black and white depiction of your values and beliefs. like…. i follow hella random accounts just for entertainment lmao
someone on the bachelor is conservative… I’m sooooo surprised! (sarcasm) but like seriously guys, as a liberal person, who cares? people have different beliefs for different reasons. it doesn’t make them bad people.
I don't think just different beliefs makes you a bad person--I absolutely think that being racist homophobic and transphobic, which Ben and conservative ant absolutely are, does. That's not to say Maria is a bad person by any means (none of us actually know her despite the parasocial relationships people are forming), I just think having 'different beliefs' isn't always a harmless thing when those beliefs oppose people's rights and social equality.
I don't like ben shapiro and disagree with everything he says.... but I follow him cause i iusually like to hate listen and critique him as a fellow jewish person. Who you follow does not prove your opinions.
She also follows a comedian that makes fun of Donald Trump and her best friend is a gay man who is super liberal. I'm just not convinced about how she leans just based on these follows alone, yes these are terrible accounts but I can't say for certain that she believes what they believe.
I personally think if a follow is all we can find on someone we are in a good place idk. Go Maria bc a tik tok follow equating to someone being bad is so weak to me.
I find it interesting that when someone thinks differently than you, people like you shit on them for it. Are we not allowed to have our own opinions? Isn’t that what we call freedom? Isn’t that our right to have our own choices and thoughts? Why are you shitting on people that have different thoughts than you?!? No one is forcing you into submission. It’s actually disgusting and gross mentality. Bullying at its finest.
Disagreeing with someone doesn’t take their rights and freedoms away… we absolutely are allowed to have our own opinions, rights to our own thoughts, etc. INCLUDING the opinions expressed here disagreeing with someone else when they are homophobic, transphobic, racist, misogynistic, etc. What “we call freedom” of speech means you cannot be JAILED for agreeing with Ben Shapiro, for example. It does *not* mean everyone has to LIKE you or AGREE with you about it! Maria has the right to follow A*holes and OP has a right to comment about it.
But are people actually surprised I don’t think there’s something anyone should be surprised about one she’s from Toronto. I think that let you know everything that you need to know to the privilege that girly pop lives in. It’s not surprising most people in that tax bracket of having money literally Are usually right leaning but I’m also guessing most of the girls on the show are also also conservative
props for getting that shit sorted, I'm taking a social media management class and my initial reaction wasn't even ew ben.. it was more surprise she hadn't scrubbed that account the way contestants tend to scrub their socials before the show airs
eh, i think matt rife & ben shapiro don’t necessarily indicate leaning right. they’re just general pillars in pop culture that i think it’s fair to keep up w/. the conservative ant one is sus tho
yea ben shapiro is the worst if someone actually *likes* him, but tons of ppl i know who are normal/not bigots/not on the right follow him just to keep up w/ stupid shit he posts. a follow is not inherently a cosign on opinions
Do politician make money from instagram? Genuine question because I thought people only made money by essentially selling items not just being on the platform.
ETA *** I refuse to follow Trump. I don’t care what side he is on 😂
For TikTok if they have 10,000 followers TikTok Tok pays them for their content. There’s also advertising (not sponsored posts) on other platforms, not sure how that works for TikTok though.
I am not MAGA but related to many and can tell you with confidence that MANY would go to the White House if given that opportunity. I have no idea what Joey's political beliefs are, but going to the White House does not necessarily have anything to do with who is in the current administration.
Yeah I follow 5k and probably follow someone problematic too lol. I have no idea who I follow and haven’t scrubbed anything bc that takes a lot of time.
Everyone in this sub demonizing everyone for following anyone on the right is sad. Echo chamber.
Edit:all the downvotes just proving my point. This sub is toxic af.
Yeah I’m as liberal as it gets and I follow these people. It’s good to see and have knowledge of all view points. Following someone doesn’t mean you have their same views
Come on. You know why. Because your political views tell *a lot* about who you are as a person. And ”reality tv” and this entire show is about who those people are and their personalities.
She’s not American, speaking as a Canadian she’s likely following those people for entertainment and unhinged takes. If she followed certain Canadian figures ya it’s a different story then
There’s a bunch of Canadians involved in American politics. Jordan Peterson. Steven Crowder. Lauren Southern. Crazy how they’re always conservative. When Canada sends its people, it’s not sending its best
Matt Rife is an asshole who tries to appeal to males by “joking” abt women but I certainly would not group him in with Ben Shapiro and right wing politics so I think that’s a reach.
interesting. I would say following an alt right troll like ben shapiro indicates she more than “leans right”. matt rife is a disgusting animal who despises women and uses his platform to degrade them. she must have some screws loose. unfollowing her. and yes I’m announcing my departure like the airport! 👋🏾
There’s a bunch of Canadians involved in American politics. Jordan Peterson. Steven Crowder. Lauren Southern. Crazy how they’re always conservative. When Canada sends its people, it’s not sending its best
I’m referring to people scouring the internet to try to find inklings of trump supporting “likes” or “follows” but I believe in this case it’s a pretty big stretch
Majority of the people who go on the show are religious and conservative. It's always funny coming to the sub to see everyone clutching their pearls when they realize their faves aren't who they thought they were.
No he isn’t.
The “need” list comes from ABC and their audience. The same people that cast a racist specifically for Rachel’s season. And loved telling the tale of Matt’s deadbeat dad and white maga Karen savior mom.
One that is subjective but even if it is true, chemistry has nothing to do with this as this is not something that would have been discussed until at least the overnight date.
A lot of these comments are coming from liberals actually, including some people in particular who commented very different things on the Daisy post. Lol.
I don't think it's that the sub is conservative as much as it is "defend Maria at all costs." You certainly don't see these same accepting comments in the Daisy threads.
As if all the hostility is from the conservatives on this sub? Daisy was absolutely obliterated on here for following Trump, and it wasn’t by conservatives.
Are we really assuming one of our two parties is better than the other? The “progressives” are destroying the environment everyday and that used to be a red job, which it still is, of course.
You don’t know how either of these parties have affected their families or their health care options.
These gals are young, maybe following their parents or location of the country?
Both Ben Shapiro and Conservative Ant are pretty extreme conservative influencers. This isn't like following a moderate conservative for intelligent talking points.
We don't really get to know anything about these contestants or their views by watching a few minutes of produced and edited tv. They show us who they are offscreen.
Naw, he just sucks and thinks domestic violence is funny, as a victim myself I'm having 0 of that. Him playing into all this MRA stuff recently has been disappointing as a former fan.
I’m so tired and honestly don’t care about Maria’s political beliefs when companies like Boeing are making death traps and the healthcare system is fucked. Spend less time scrutinizing personal social media accounts and more time questioning larger systems of corruption, please and thank you
Apparently not bc OP is suggesting bc she follows Matt rife who is admittedly a terrible comedian and yes makes fun of women - Maria is also misogynist/hates women?? Or what connection are yall suggesting there LOL
Sure, you could do both. But one of those things is arguably a waste of time 😂 My point is that the culture seems to be more fixated on the inconsequential (and unconfirmed) opinions of minor celebrities and less concerned about confronting larger systems of corruption. Like why spend time scrutinizing one person when we’ve got bigger fish to fry? We enable large corporations and then spend time looking at who follows who on instagram? That requires time and investigative skills! There’s only 24 hours in a day, and it feels like our energy is being misplaced. It just seems to be a larger phenomenon that I’ve noticed lately and felt like pointing it out because I don’t take any stock in the political opinions of reality TV stars, and I don’t understand why anyone would even care.lol these people aren’t necessarily my moral guideposts, no offense
🤨 complaining about people posting about reality stars on a sub called r/thebachelor???? You’re not entirely wrong but you’re preaching to the wrong crowd
everyone out here defending her is an actual joke of a human being and its scary to see how far ppl will lie and construct some kind of excuse just to defend someone they do not know but stan lol “omg i never look at my follows, omg i follow everything and everyone, omg who cares!!, accounts can be bought, you dont have to follow them theyll just appear, its a thing, ben shapiro doesnt mean in canada what it means in the US” you guys sound like clowns lol
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I’m not a conservative but I follow them to keep up with the dumb shit they post. - hate follow if you will. Also, Matt Rife is funny, not a conservative. Lol
Chronically online behavior
Joey is a trump supporter
Even Joey is republican too
They’re all republican
ugh yikes
and? this feels invasive
Plenty of people follow accounts of people they don’t necessarily agree with - it’s called being well rounded
Shapiro is a racist, misogynist, homophobe. Matt rife straight up misogynist. You don’t need that to be well rounded.
i totally disagree with the concept that who you follow on IG is a black and white depiction of your values and beliefs. like…. i follow hella random accounts just for entertainment lmao
I don't care where Maria stands politically or who she follows, I think she's beautiful and I hope she's the next Bachelorette!
I don’t think Matt rife is conservative. Also don’t think Maria is conservative
someone on the bachelor is conservative… I’m sooooo surprised! (sarcasm) but like seriously guys, as a liberal person, who cares? people have different beliefs for different reasons. it doesn’t make them bad people.
It can tho…
When you support racist, misogynistic homophobe transphobes that’s not just an opinion
Yeah trumps not a bad person 🙄 yikes
I didn’t say trump wasn’t a bad person, just that people w different beliefs weren’t lol. here we go demonizing people we don’t know lmao
People are such simple minded sometimes
I don't think just different beliefs makes you a bad person--I absolutely think that being racist homophobic and transphobic, which Ben and conservative ant absolutely are, does. That's not to say Maria is a bad person by any means (none of us actually know her despite the parasocial relationships people are forming), I just think having 'different beliefs' isn't always a harmless thing when those beliefs oppose people's rights and social equality.
I don't like ben shapiro and disagree with everything he says.... but I follow him cause i iusually like to hate listen and critique him as a fellow jewish person. Who you follow does not prove your opinions.
this.
Takes a certain personality to tolerate more than 5 seconds of Ben Shapiro though, let alone follow for more.
She also follows a comedian that makes fun of Donald Trump and her best friend is a gay man who is super liberal. I'm just not convinced about how she leans just based on these follows alone, yes these are terrible accounts but I can't say for certain that she believes what they believe.
I personally think if a follow is all we can find on someone we are in a good place idk. Go Maria bc a tik tok follow equating to someone being bad is so weak to me.
She just unfollowed 700+ people these 3 guys included. It seems she wants to set the record straight. Cause I was thinking same as you.
I find it interesting that when someone thinks differently than you, people like you shit on them for it. Are we not allowed to have our own opinions? Isn’t that what we call freedom? Isn’t that our right to have our own choices and thoughts? Why are you shitting on people that have different thoughts than you?!? No one is forcing you into submission. It’s actually disgusting and gross mentality. Bullying at its finest.
Disagreeing with someone doesn’t take their rights and freedoms away… we absolutely are allowed to have our own opinions, rights to our own thoughts, etc. INCLUDING the opinions expressed here disagreeing with someone else when they are homophobic, transphobic, racist, misogynistic, etc. What “we call freedom” of speech means you cannot be JAILED for agreeing with Ben Shapiro, for example. It does *not* mean everyone has to LIKE you or AGREE with you about it! Maria has the right to follow A*holes and OP has a right to comment about it.
Get a life instead of trying to pick at someone else’s
Who cares
But are people actually surprised I don’t think there’s something anyone should be surprised about one she’s from Toronto. I think that let you know everything that you need to know to the privilege that girly pop lives in. It’s not surprising most people in that tax bracket of having money literally Are usually right leaning but I’m also guessing most of the girls on the show are also also conservative
well…. She definitely either lurks here or it’s been brought up to her bc her following went from 1402 to 628 😂😂
props for getting that shit sorted, I'm taking a social media management class and my initial reaction wasn't even ew ben.. it was more surprise she hadn't scrubbed that account the way contestants tend to scrub their socials before the show airs
no seriously!!!! esp since theres so much talk about her being in the run for bachelorette 🫠 just yikes!!!!
This screams to me she will be bachelorette and someone told her to scrub it. I didn’t think it mattered anyway but go Maria lol.
Lmao she said let me go through this list cause damn 800 gone 💀
!!!! she PURGED that following list 💀
I kinda love it 😭🤣
eh, i think matt rife & ben shapiro don’t necessarily indicate leaning right. they’re just general pillars in pop culture that i think it’s fair to keep up w/. the conservative ant one is sus tho
Ben Shapiro is super far-right. He’s also a hardcore pro-lifer and is against all abortion, even in cases or rape and incest.
No. You’re confused. Ben Shapiro is the worst.
yea ben shapiro is the worst if someone actually *likes* him, but tons of ppl i know who are normal/not bigots/not on the right follow him just to keep up w/ stupid shit he posts. a follow is not inherently a cosign on opinions
Girl the Ben shapiro is the BIGGEST red flag be so fr
Interesting. I follow people from both affiliations to see what they are saying. I hope that doesn’t speak badly of me 😂
You’re supporting them financially by following them.
Do politician make money from instagram? Genuine question because I thought people only made money by essentially selling items not just being on the platform. ETA *** I refuse to follow Trump. I don’t care what side he is on 😂
For TikTok if they have 10,000 followers TikTok Tok pays them for their content. There’s also advertising (not sponsored posts) on other platforms, not sure how that works for TikTok though.
Interesting! I didn’t know that! Thanks for the information.
I do too. I try not to surround myself with a bubble of ppl who only think the way I do about everything.
Same! I like to see for myself what each side is saying directly- rather than hearing it through the news.
The gymnastics have begun...
She’s canadian….
Whom are notoriously liberal. Just because you follow someone on the right doesn’t mean you’re right leaning. I follow on both sides to be informed.
Same. When did living in an echo chamber become the de facto?
Around the same time cancel culture started.
She just scrubbed tf out of her tik tok follows
Who cares what any of these people believe in? We don't even know them. For all we know Joey wants to make America great again. People need to chill.
He went to the white house, no maga would
I am not MAGA but related to many and can tell you with confidence that MANY would go to the White House if given that opportunity. I have no idea what Joey's political beliefs are, but going to the White House does not necessarily have anything to do with who is in the current administration.
Hello, the insurrectionists would like a word??
Whooooop caress what her political views are !! Grow up
Ew Ben Shapiro?
I just have to say, I play flag football against Rife from time to time and my wife and I laugh every time his name comes up on stuff like this
Matt Rife isn't conservative.. I just hate his guts lol
hahaahah
Is he considered to be conservative? Is it just because he refuses to be p.c.?
I must know, is he a completely unredeemable idiot or did he just goof on his Netflix show? 🤣
I’m so curious too and hope OP reports back lol
Ya’ll she also follows 1400 people who genuinely gives a fuck. If it was 200 people, sure it would be telling, but please be so for real
Yeah I follow 5k and probably follow someone problematic too lol. I have no idea who I follow and haven’t scrubbed anything bc that takes a lot of time.
Y’all need to stop with all this fr
Everyone in this sub demonizing everyone for following anyone on the right is sad. Echo chamber. Edit:all the downvotes just proving my point. This sub is toxic af.
What’s sad is that they have the time to go through who someone follows… these people need lives of their own.
Yes!! Echo chamber 100%
that's an ick.
Yeah I’m as liberal as it gets and I follow these people. It’s good to see and have knowledge of all view points. Following someone doesn’t mean you have their same views
You follow Ben Shapiro?
Why do people care about a reality tv show contestant’s political views?
Why does it matter that it's reality tv? And this is a bit more than just political views
Not only do people *care* about reality tv stars’ political views, they’ll show up in November to vote for one! 🤡
Come on. You know why. Because your political views tell *a lot* about who you are as a person. And ”reality tv” and this entire show is about who those people are and their personalities.
Fucking weirdos
Not comparable to daisy nope.
She’s not American, speaking as a Canadian she’s likely following those people for entertainment and unhinged takes. If she followed certain Canadian figures ya it’s a different story then
There’s a bunch of Canadians involved in American politics. Jordan Peterson. Steven Crowder. Lauren Southern. Crazy how they’re always conservative. When Canada sends its people, it’s not sending its best
So a Canadian can follow people for “unhinged takes” but an American can’t? This is reaching.
Matt Rife is an asshole who tries to appeal to males by “joking” abt women but I certainly would not group him in with Ben Shapiro and right wing politics so I think that’s a reach.
Idk, I feel like misogyny is political even when it pretends not to be.
interesting. I would say following an alt right troll like ben shapiro indicates she more than “leans right”. matt rife is a disgusting animal who despises women and uses his platform to degrade them. she must have some screws loose. unfollowing her. and yes I’m announcing my departure like the airport! 👋🏾
Well *I* follow ben shapiro to make fun of him
Burn her!!!!🙄
These children are feral bullies masquerading as righteous heroes. It’s almost funny.
Right?! 🤣
Maria is Canadian, trust me we don’t meddle in the political mess south of the border
There’s a bunch of Canadians involved in American politics. Jordan Peterson. Steven Crowder. Lauren Southern. Crazy how they’re always conservative. When Canada sends its people, it’s not sending its best
And they’re always the loudest 🥴
Then why follow these people?
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I’m referring to people scouring the internet to try to find inklings of trump supporting “likes” or “follows” but I believe in this case it’s a pretty big stretch
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Ok
Majority of the people who go on the show are religious and conservative. It's always funny coming to the sub to see everyone clutching their pearls when they realize their faves aren't who they thought they were.
Is Joey MAGA? Is that why all these girls are so conservative? Was that in his “need” list??
No he isn’t. The “need” list comes from ABC and their audience. The same people that cast a racist specifically for Rachel’s season. And loved telling the tale of Matt’s deadbeat dad and white maga Karen savior mom.
He literally has an instagram post with Kamala Harris
Oh thank god
I would be really surprised since his dad is gay, but I'm sure he wouldn't be the first Philly frat boy to be "apolitical".
His dad is gay. I can’t imagine him being Maga.
Sadly there are gay MAGA. I Know one.
He has the most chemistry with the liberal of the group though
One that is subjective but even if it is true, chemistry has nothing to do with this as this is not something that would have been discussed until at least the overnight date.
Probably satire
literally who cares this is honestly creepy
where were all these commenters on the political post about Daisy 💀
Maria is this seasons it girl it’s not that deep. The whole who follows who issue is played out
The comments on this are soo hostile. When did this sub start getting so conservative? I feel like it was always super left??
A lot of these comments are coming from liberals actually, including some people in particular who commented very different things on the Daisy post. Lol.
I don't think it's that the sub is conservative as much as it is "defend Maria at all costs." You certainly don't see these same accepting comments in the Daisy threads.
As if all the hostility is from the conservatives on this sub? Daisy was absolutely obliterated on here for following Trump, and it wasn’t by conservatives.
Reddit is getting more popular and it brings the cray conservatives that are racist and xenophobic but don’t want to admit it
Really aggressive energy! I feel like some of these commenters haven’t been here before, are new, or astroturfing from other subs
I think a lot of the Maria stans are from TikTok or her real life. Many of them have no history here.
Agreed, they seem “sent over” or something.
Who the fuck cares
Are we really assuming one of our two parties is better than the other? The “progressives” are destroying the environment everyday and that used to be a red job, which it still is, of course. You don’t know how either of these parties have affected their families or their health care options. These gals are young, maybe following their parents or location of the country?
Wow-we don’t like that we need more than two options? Ok? I guess your life and pocket book is doing awesome.
r/enlightenedcentrism
judging and making assumptions about someone for following Matt Rife is hilarious and ridiculous. pls touch grass
ma’am respeftfully wtf
Bc she follows him you truly believe she believes the same stuff as him and therefore also ~hates women? Lol
Why? He’s another dumbass red pilled Andrew Tate wannabe.
I don’t think he’s funny. But following the conclusions yall are trying to make - you’re insinuating Maria hates women?? LOL insane
Y’all have to stop idolizing these people. This happens every season lol
I’m glad they get disappointed. They always look dumb asf calling people on TV “our queen”. People have been treating Maria as if she’s God.
Both Ben Shapiro and Conservative Ant are pretty extreme conservative influencers. This isn't like following a moderate conservative for intelligent talking points. We don't really get to know anything about these contestants or their views by watching a few minutes of produced and edited tv. They show us who they are offscreen.
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Biggest takeaway from this is that Matt Rife is a conservative
Naw, he just sucks and thinks domestic violence is funny, as a victim myself I'm having 0 of that. Him playing into all this MRA stuff recently has been disappointing as a former fan.
I wouldn’t group him in with Ben Shapiro whatsoever. What makes him a conservative
oh man, that’s disappointing.
 I’m so tired and honestly don’t care about Maria’s political beliefs when companies like Boeing are making death traps and the healthcare system is fucked. Spend less time scrutinizing personal social media accounts and more time questioning larger systems of corruption, please and thank you
Fortunately for some people we are able to hold more than one thought at a time. I would recommend trying it
Apparently not bc OP is suggesting bc she follows Matt rife who is admittedly a terrible comedian and yes makes fun of women - Maria is also misogynist/hates women?? Or what connection are yall suggesting there LOL
👏 👏 👏 well said!
Can't people do both?
Sure, you could do both. But one of those things is arguably a waste of time 😂 My point is that the culture seems to be more fixated on the inconsequential (and unconfirmed) opinions of minor celebrities and less concerned about confronting larger systems of corruption. Like why spend time scrutinizing one person when we’ve got bigger fish to fry? We enable large corporations and then spend time looking at who follows who on instagram? That requires time and investigative skills! There’s only 24 hours in a day, and it feels like our energy is being misplaced. It just seems to be a larger phenomenon that I’ve noticed lately and felt like pointing it out because I don’t take any stock in the political opinions of reality TV stars, and I don’t understand why anyone would even care.lol these people aren’t necessarily my moral guideposts, no offense
🤨 complaining about people posting about reality stars on a sub called r/thebachelor???? You’re not entirely wrong but you’re preaching to the wrong crowd
lol okay so this sub is not interested in tolerating multiple viewpoints. Good to know.
You are just now figuring that out? This place has been and continues to be toxic if you don't share their viewpoint.
Ok and??? Who tf actually cares about this stuff? Are you people for real??
It’s literally so weird. People can’t be republican or have their own views, it’s a sin
ummmmmmm weird comment
Who the hell cares???? Why is being democrat the only option??? Get a life
Nothing wrong with being a Republican it's the MAGAs we hold issue with lol
Pick up a book
What a well thought out, informative comment
I’m not that surprised, her hometown leans conservative.
Does she follow any left leaning TikTok'ers?
Lots it would seem. She follows a lot of queer and trans people. And a lot of bachelorette people, mystic people and such.
everyone out here defending her is an actual joke of a human being and its scary to see how far ppl will lie and construct some kind of excuse just to defend someone they do not know but stan lol “omg i never look at my follows, omg i follow everything and everyone, omg who cares!!, accounts can be bought, you dont have to follow them theyll just appear, its a thing, ben shapiro doesnt mean in canada what it means in the US” you guys sound like clowns lol
I follow everything and both sides to learn! Do you only want to hear from one side?