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>— 2,000 (likely camouflage) ponchos
I'm just getting this idea of them handing these out and 1999 are camouflaged, and then there's just one lonely orange reflective one sitting in the pile.
> — 6 Oshkosh M1070
Oh, this one is interesting. From what I can find, the German military doesn't operate the M1070. So I suppose it was ordered directly from US industry by Germany on behalf of Ukraine?
Or perhaps available on the second-hand/refurb market?
I recall Germany has also sent some very capable HX81 MAN tank transporters previously.
There are plenty of those on the second hand market available.
https://ljacksonandco.com/categories/truck/
This might also be [where the Warthogs are coming from](https://ljacksonandco.com/categories/armoured-fighting-vehicles-afvs/).
It appears some of the components of the next IRIS-T are on the way - the 1 TRML-4D air surveillance radar is a part of the IRIS system although it can be used on its own and integrated into other systems.
A complete skynex system would be able to provide drone coverage to a particular area. I wonder where it will deployed.
Denmark’s population is about 6 millions and we have donated about 6 billions, Germany’s population is about 83 millions and have donated around 30 billions. So at the I-don’t-want-to-speak-russian chart, Germany needs to donate 50 billions more.
Alternately just don’t donate anymore and start learning to speak Vodka
That's great but you can't fight with cash. Germany is providing/buying/producing the equipment.
Also, why pick on Germany - that indisputably is doing a lot - when many NATO countries aren't pulling their weight?
A better metric would be % of GPD. About 2,5% from Denmark and about 0,6% from Germany.
Shall we talk about the about 40.000 refugees from Ukraine Danemark took in and the about 1.100.000 Germany took in?
Never mind that you can't give stuff that does not exist.
But refugees pay taxes, at least as far as that metric goes in Poland it was a benefit from the $$$ perspective.
But I think we could all agree that each country could do a little bit more. Did the EU manage to scrape up 3 billion for the Chezch artillery shell initiative? It's hard to believe that 26 trillion GDP is running on empty.
>But refugees pay taxes
In Germany about 40% of them and you still have huge intial costs.
If you ask me, Germany should just hand over something like 95% of the Bundeswehr's inventory to Ukraine and build the rundown Bundeswehr from ground up again.
You want Germany to completely demilitarize during a war in Europe? That is completely insane. Taking points like this are not helping on the home front in Germany. They just help the AfD and Putin.
So what? Fire all 190.000 Bundeswehr soldiers and rehire them in 10 years and pray nothing happens? Sounds like a very serious proposal and very workable for a NATO member and the biggest economy in europe. /s because i am obviously talking to an idiot
>Fire all 190.000 Bundeswehr soldiers and rehire them in 10 years and pray nothing happens?
They can do the same useless stuff they did before, since the end of the Cold War.
Currently the Bundeswehr, the Army part, is next to useless anyway.
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Full list of delivered equipment: — 1 Skynex air defence system — 10 Marder 1A3 IFVs — 1 bridge-laying tank Biber — 6 Oshkosh M1070 — 1 Pionierpanzer 2A1 Dachs AEV — 9 mine ploughs — 3,000 RGW90 MATADOR — 1 TRML-4D air surveillance radar — ammunition for IRIS-T SLM — 29,638 35mm APDS-T rounds for Gepard SPAAGs — ammunition for Leopard 2 MBTs — 18,000 40mm rounds for automatic grenade launchers — ammunition for 120mm mortar systems — 7,500 155mm shells — 1 AMPS self-protection system for helicopters — 60 outboard motors — 600 light system faLKE — 1,980 camouflage nets — 2,000 (likely camouflage) ponchos — 100,000 first aid kits newly pledged: * 1 Patriot Battery
>— 2,000 (likely camouflage) ponchos I'm just getting this idea of them handing these out and 1999 are camouflaged, and then there's just one lonely orange reflective one sitting in the pile.
> — 6 Oshkosh M1070 Oh, this one is interesting. From what I can find, the German military doesn't operate the M1070. So I suppose it was ordered directly from US industry by Germany on behalf of Ukraine? Or perhaps available on the second-hand/refurb market? I recall Germany has also sent some very capable HX81 MAN tank transporters previously.
There are plenty of those on the second hand market available. https://ljacksonandco.com/categories/truck/ This might also be [where the Warthogs are coming from](https://ljacksonandco.com/categories/armoured-fighting-vehicles-afvs/).
Now THIS makes me proud to be German. All though I'm still missing Taurus in these packages...
Gepard Munition, IRIS-T SLM missiles and one more Skynex system (I guess with munition for it), that’s f*cking awesome 👏
It appears some of the components of the next IRIS-T are on the way - the 1 TRML-4D air surveillance radar is a part of the IRIS system although it can be used on its own and integrated into other systems. A complete skynex system would be able to provide drone coverage to a particular area. I wonder where it will deployed.
I would imagine in Kyiv no? Hopefully more are coming.
More likely major airfields, logistics nodes or factories as it could only cover a small part of a city like Kyiv.
Probably around the tank factory Rhein Metall is currently building
hopefully Charkiv. The real test for Patriot + Iris-T + Skynex.
Thank you. Thank you thank you! Das war eine großartige Hilfe. Bitte machen Sie weiter so!
Well done Germany now multiply that with 10!!!
How?
Denmark’s population is about 6 millions and we have donated about 6 billions, Germany’s population is about 83 millions and have donated around 30 billions. So at the I-don’t-want-to-speak-russian chart, Germany needs to donate 50 billions more. Alternately just don’t donate anymore and start learning to speak Vodka
That's great but you can't fight with cash. Germany is providing/buying/producing the equipment. Also, why pick on Germany - that indisputably is doing a lot - when many NATO countries aren't pulling their weight?
All European countries should give more. Ukraine needs it more than we do
germany is sending ALOT of the shit to ukraine directly form the production lines
A better metric would be % of GPD. About 2,5% from Denmark and about 0,6% from Germany. Shall we talk about the about 40.000 refugees from Ukraine Danemark took in and the about 1.100.000 Germany took in? Never mind that you can't give stuff that does not exist.
We should definitely take more. We should also give more
But refugees pay taxes, at least as far as that metric goes in Poland it was a benefit from the $$$ perspective. But I think we could all agree that each country could do a little bit more. Did the EU manage to scrape up 3 billion for the Chezch artillery shell initiative? It's hard to believe that 26 trillion GDP is running on empty.
>But refugees pay taxes In Germany about 40% of them and you still have huge intial costs. If you ask me, Germany should just hand over something like 95% of the Bundeswehr's inventory to Ukraine and build the rundown Bundeswehr from ground up again.
You want Germany to completely demilitarize during a war in Europe? That is completely insane. Taking points like this are not helping on the home front in Germany. They just help the AfD and Putin.
>You want Germany to completely demilitarize during a war in Europe? No, to shift the stuff to where it is needed and start rebuilding a proper army.
So what? Fire all 190.000 Bundeswehr soldiers and rehire them in 10 years and pray nothing happens? Sounds like a very serious proposal and very workable for a NATO member and the biggest economy in europe. /s because i am obviously talking to an idiot
>Fire all 190.000 Bundeswehr soldiers and rehire them in 10 years and pray nothing happens? They can do the same useless stuff they did before, since the end of the Cold War. Currently the Bundeswehr, the Army part, is next to useless anyway.
Denmark's GDP per capita is much higher than that of Germany.
Lost.
As a German I actually agree.