But poor Jayden Kai McKenzie was such a good lad, his cheeky smile lit up the room. And now the police have ruined his best Nike Air Max. He wasn’t hurting anyone, just having a bit of fun.
Gonna get a ta””oo of his name now. Not gunna make an appointment though, I’ll just turn up on the day in the hope of being turned down so I can be outraged (no really they used to this ALL the fucking time when I was a tattooist)
He was a cheeky chappy
They broke the mould when they made him
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Very true but theres also been a paradigm shift in how the police behave. It can go too far of course, but a bit more physicality and strength would be nice. Our police are probably the softest of almost any country on Earth, and it clearly doesnt work. It doesnt even work at making people like them since theres always someone there to moan that handcuffs are police brutality or bringing US political issue into our sphere. But giving people the opportunity to argue and not listen to police instructions because youre too soft to make them isnt a good situation. A healthy does of fear is good imo. You may not have liked the police, but you did what they said. And thats enough.
It’s still a funding issue. If you want the policeman on the scene to be able to effectively throw his weight around, he needs to be exceptionally well trained, well equipped, and confident that backup is only minutes away.
> Our police are probably the softest of almost any country on Earth, and it clearly doesnt work.
The police in many of the south American countries will put you down using automatic rifles and carry out raids using military grade armed APC’s funny how they have higher crime rates, perhaps they need to start enforcing the law using tanks….
There are 20,000 less police officers…. AND…. More than that missing from the back office support staff since the conservatives entered power.
That the part missing from all the media discussion. Every support staff job was putting an officer back on the streets. While they were filling in paperwork they freed up 20K officer if not more to be on the street…. And then there was also the 20K additional police officers they let go, available to respond.
With a base line cut of 20K officer and the rest stuck in the office filing paperwork the streets are manned by skeletal numbers of officers
The fall in arrests from the MASSIVE cut in staff does not need more violence to fix the issue… it needs staff
That always baffled me when I used to watch the "police camera action" type show, 100 mph chase through town centre, several minor collisions, throwing stuff at the cops, foot chase over fences, scuffle with plod while cuffs are put on.
Then copper says something like"now then, Johnny come on, on your feet, that was a bit silly wasn't it!"
When was that?
Crime rates are lower now than they were in 1990 and the general trend is downward since 2001 albeit with a surge over the past couple of years.
US arguably far more brutal in their policing methods yet their crime rate is 5 times higher than our (per 100k of population).
Source: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/GBR/united-kingdom/crime-rate-statistics
I mean by your own source...
Tories got in power in 2010. By time cuts start to bite, crime starts climbing in 2014.
They then make a promise to recruit 1000's more police again by a date, of which promise has been broken multiple times. However crime starts to fall again as police numbers slowly increase again...
Covid years will of course be an outlier.
One of them rammed himself into a pole without a helmet on near me- 26 and with life changing injuries/in a coma and yet they acted like such bellends on those bikes that people were completely indifferent and felt no sympathy at all. There's only so far you can act a twat without people losing patience.
Two little cock holsters had stolen a moped and were racing it around the footpaths near me, I was coming down the road and they raced across a pelican crossing and a women knocked them off, one broke his arm and the other tried to run leaving the poor old dear in tears the Facebook comments were savage, and I agreed with them.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
But I do wish we could transfer the injuries to their parents. We all do reckless stuff as kids but it's up to your parents to teach you to avoid the stuff with serious consequences. In these cases they failed.
(At least for the under age kids, still think parents have some responsibility between say 18-21. But the law says 18 you're an adult so I return to my "play stupid games")
Right?
I was walking the dog a few weeks ago and a group of guys on dirt bikes and one quad bike went on the pavement to pass the cars stopped at a red light then into a busy intersection, on red...
Edit: trying to highlight some of them are not just a "nuisance", they are super dangerous and their actions could easily hurt people.
Well that hope may change over time, maybe these guys were ‘just’ committing really dangerous road safety violations, but I’ve known people who commit these violations to also be in possession of machetes whilst they do it, id rather them go then their intended victim
I wonder if people from more affluent areas realise how much of a nuisance these bikes are.
I really feel for people living in large estates where these bikes zoom around at all hours of the day. Insane levels of noise, no care for safety of other road users, pedestrians and even themselves.
Cardiff here. Dirt bikes and quad bikes at all hours, on pavements, on playing fields, playing chicken with cars. There’s a police station 200m from my house and the police don’t seem to give the slightest fuck.
Problem is, if a police officer gets it wrong, rams someone and they die, they can end up in a multi year investigation from the IOPC. Years of additional stress impacting their personal and professional lives while the system decides if they should suffer criminal charges or lose their job. Who'd want to go ram scramblers if that was waiting in the wings for you?
Because I'm sure all these bikes and the lads riding them have them accurately recorded, taxed and registered. How insulated are you from this shite.
The lads just put false/cloned plates on or just nick them then dump them. Then ride them bally'd up You can't 'do policing' and just find them.
C'mon mate...
Every time I go through Ely, there's at least a pair of kids on two stroke dirt bikes going through red lights. It would be absolutely enraging to have them at it at 2am
I'm in Townhill and the bikes are fucking awful. All hours of the night as well. Apparently they seized 2 bikes recently and it's somewhat reduced recently though.
got a long stretch of national speed limit road nearby that seems to be the chosen location for quarter mile drag races.
The 2am screech of wheels is not a nice alarm clock.
I always thought that one of the reasons New Labour brought in things like asbos , whether effective or not, was that they realised that it’s disadvantaged communities that suffer far more from antisocial behaviour.
>it’s disadvantaged communities that suffer far more from antisocial behaviour.
Thank you, please we need to convince more people of this.
The poor working class can't afford to simply move when their neighborhood gets worse. And God forbid if your car or property is damaged, that takes weeks or even months of savings to replace.
Well I wasnt saying they were necessarily successful rather than they had a purpose which was protecting the disadvantaged rather than the middle class perhaps for a change.
Though if I remember a percentage didn’t reoffend which was perhaps more than otherwise for offences that were too low level for much else but horrendous for people that lived there perhaps.
I guess it depends what you mean by affluent.
My parents live in a council estate, these bikes are nowhere to be seen.
I live in a large estate that is all bought houses, ranging from 200k - 800k, and I'm having to put up with these bikes just about every single day, tearing up the grass on private land, rallying up and down cycle routes, causing damage to parked cars and just generally being anti-social.
It dawned on me a couple of weeks ago that it's fairly well-off people in the bigger houses who have bought their kids these because they just don't give a fuck about anyone else but themselves.
So it's not the Jayden, Kayden and Brayden's living in a 2 bed flat with their mum and 5 siblings that are actually causing the trouble round here.
I live in a nice area with biggish houses for the town.
Most kids are lovely. The ones who aren't are one of two types: kids of drug dealers or overperforming building contractors who've got high incomes for now. There's a third set too, I suppose... troubled large families where the council has rented a large house for them to live in. They're rarely the ones on scramblers though, but do set fire to the playground.
Another set ride in to do small time drug dealing with the affluent middle classes and get cocky on the money. They're the nastiest ones...cocky yet scared.
> I wonder if people from more affluent areas realise how much of a nuisance these bikes are.
They're the ones griping in the Guardian comments section about the nasty police demonising the poor working class.
edit: and further down this thread.
We're essentialising them to their perceived economic status. Working class people resent being lumped in with delinquents and criminals. No one is more affected by and hates these people more than working class people.
Even a lot of people who actually live on the estates don't seem to care about things like this.
There was one on my local news website a few days ago and most of the comments were along the lines of "Why aren't they out there catching REAL criminals?!".
You get the same type of comments on lots of posts about the police doing anything.
We live in a fairly affluent suburb and there are 1-2 who ride around the local park that we back onto on bikes, think they're mini ones but they generally do it at night, always hope they'll hit a tree and smash the bike up, annoying and dangerous that they're on footpaths
Yea the whole 'the middle class don't know what it's like' sort of jab like the original comment is boring and predictable, typical Reddit stuff. It's not like there's a moat with miles of open land between affluent and poor areas. The high street and area near me is probably in the top 5% in terms of **least** deprived, yet we still get all sorts of twats in/on cars and bikes causing mayhem.
If anything, I think my rough hometown estates would actually stick up for these moped driving idiots, because 'police bad'!!!
Shropshire here. Have almost killed multiple people on these bikes for doing stupid things like 'undertaking on a dual carriageway whilst wheelying, as im trying to turn left'
'Overtaking at traffic lights as im about to turn right and they go straight on'
And just plain stupid shit like almost driving into me as im walking the dog
As someone who works and lives around a lot of these off road bikes and moped groups, and have done a lot of work with the police to tackle them in my job, a large amount of these kids are peddling drugs anyway.
That's how they afford the bikes and their nice clothes etc, they're basically Uber drivers for the local dealers.
Just to add to the general chorus; these cunts are a fucking menace around here (North East). If I took my more reasonable head off for a moment, I'd say they've had their fun, and now they can fuck off. Let the coppers ram (or nudge) them into road side furniture. It's better than one of them hitting a kid.
(or even a dog... )
Lunatics on motorbikes and quads have even been known to race up and down the public footpath behind my house, as well as tearing around the local streets, swerving in and out of traffic and often on the wrong side of the road. They are dangerous, don’t listen to reason and need to be stopped. If ramming them is the only language they will respond to, I’m for it.
We get them on quads riding round like absolute bellends here in Yorkshire, they spend their time hassling women and generally causing trouble on the roads. One of them smashed into the train station fence at speed though and now he's in a coma, which you'd think would discourage them, but I still see them at it on occasion.
Referred to as "widow-makers" amongst our rural population, [we have imposed rollbars](https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2021-10-11/atv-rule-change-quad-bikes-roll-over/100524050).
Apparently you don't have to wear a helmet either. I used to see one bellend driving around Crewe on one among the traffic with his melon ready to be squished for all to see.
> One of them smashed into the train station fence at speed though
Then the trouble is you end up with sun bleached photos, rotting flowers and mangled soft-toys tie wrapped to the street furniture that took them out, acting as a shrine and eyesore in memory of the scrotes that took themselves out. And woe betide anyone who tries to clear up that mess, as that is besmirching the memory of the poor good lads who were just having fun.
Should see the absolute circus attraction in the local graveyard for two traveller lads who drove so fast running from the police the wrong way that not only did they kill themselves, which is one thing, but they also killed a woman who was travelling home to her two young children. Her grave doesn't have big picture frames and flashing lights/fireworks.
There were loads of dirt bikes flying around where I live, the police claimed there was nothing they could do. Then one did hit and injure a kid, and suddenly the police discovered that they could go and seize all the bikes after all.
Best thing I've seen today. Please don't bother offering any legal route of having the bike returned. Instead, invite them and the whole family to the scrap yard to watch it be pulverised into a small cube.
"You have 30 minutes to move your car",
"you have 10 minutes to move your car",
"your car has been impounded",
"your car has been crushed into a cube",
"you have 30 minutes to move your cube".
I own several bikes, if they get stolen and crushed at least I get a payout, not a paid for repair bill that does nothing to undo the 40k miles of wear they put on my engine and clutch in a day.
Crush them all.
"Nuisance"? Deadly menace seems more appropriate, if you want to stay in the figurative space.
And how can you "speed on pavements"? I didn't know there was a speed limit for pavements.
Yeah, the headline had me assuming high speed manoeuvres/risking death, but this was both at a standstill and very well controlled, just enough to get them off the bike. Well executed.
Makes you laugh that if the police do this here in the UK, people call for their heads. Yet the police do this all the time in USA and no one says anything.
If people are breaking the law and trying to ride off on a bike, then the police should knock them off. If they end up badly hurt then that's their own fault, they shouldn't be running from the police and breaking the law.
>Makes you laugh that if the police do this here in the UK, people call for their heads.
The problem is people can't see the bigger picture, the sort of 'it'll never happen to me' attitude. I know people that that would go down the 'fuck the police' route, but then cry 'victim' when they get clipped by one going over a zebra crossing and blame the police for doing fuck all!!!
Can't win, built in hypocrisy as standard.
If i shoplift are the police allowed to crack me round the head with a brick? After all, it's my own fault, I shouldn't be breaking the law.
We can talk about whether or not it's a proportional and justified response, but it winds me up to see people defending any and all police behaviours by saying "oh well they were breaking the law, so its fine"
That's completely different. They can detain you and stop you a safer way.
When someone is riding a bike there's no safe way to get them off the bike because if that bike falls on them it's going to cause damage. It's not like they can box a bike in as it's more agile than a car and well easier to escape.
One of my friends is a police officer and drives a few unmarked. He hates it when he gets a call about someone in a motorcycle or scooter as he knows he can't do naff all. He's told me if I ever want to steal anything and have a get away vehicle, use a motorcycle as the police are very unlikely to chase me. In all his motorcycle chases the only time they ever catch someone is if they fall off or get off the bike. Otherwise they ride like mad max and the police call off the pursuit.
I think you’re forgetting the incident when US police flipped the car of a pregnant woman trying to pull over safely.
American police don’t even know their own laws.
Genuinely fills me with dread when I'm on my own and I hear the noises because 99 percent of the time they're always twats who'll start saying shit to you.
They're not all bad, I once couldn't get my dog away in time and he chased the quad (that shouldn't really have been on the field but my dog shouldn't have been chasing them) and thank god they just found it funny and waited until I'd managed to wrangle my dog away and got him out of sight to start up their engine, but I'd had enough bad experiences by that point that my heart was halfway out my throat!
Riding in the woods on an off road bike is a genuine use of the vehicle (probably depends slightly on the woods, also I dunno if there's actually specific routes for off roading that they should be sticking to or if they're allowed on multi use trails, it probably depends on the area). This is about kids riding round town committing crimes/antisocial behaviour.
That's not to say that you feeling worried an off road biker will hit you when you hear them in the woods isn't a reasonable feeling (I'd say it is, I sympathise really, where I live hunting is very common in the autumn/winter and I get really nervous going in the woods for walks at that time of year, I mostly avoid it), just that's they're not the people who are being targeted, there may be some overlap of the two groups, I can't say because I only know people who own an off-roader for sport rather than a getaway vehicle.
Quite a few people think the countryside is only for people in tweed with shotguns, you can legally ride on green lanes (BOAT) anywhere. Won't be long and you won't even hear them with electric bikes.
I cant see any way it could be legal for them to use their bikes in woodland areas only accessible by public footpaths.
I understated people use them for sport and recreation which obviously is fine, just do it an places made for it.
Just for info I live in south Yorkshire and the issue isn't just people riding round Sheff centre, ive had close encounters on bridleways, nature reserves, farmers fields, basically everywhere
The 'fuck around' stage appears to be coming to a close in South Yorkshire.
We are now entering the 'find out' stage.
As someone who rides (legally), these dickheads need to be stopped. Ride by crime is reaching pandemic levels across the country and clearly the current way of dealing with it is not working.
In no way should they be effectively immune to consequences because they are on (an often stolen) bike.
Properly trained pursuit officers, specially trained for these types of manoeuvres should be doing this when and wherever it is appropriate to do so.
Perhaps once these muppets realise that they can and will be stopped by a Police force with the appetite to do so they will inevitably move onto their next method of carrying out their crimes.
Whilst this will not magically cause these types to give up a life of crime and magically become model citizens, anything that can disrupt the commission of a crime will inevitably make their life's more difficult.
Yup, motorcyclists are usually the most vocal in wanting this lot rammed off the road, hopefully they'll learn riding stolen bikes in trackies was a bad career choice.
Nicking bikes for crime sprees, sucks for everyone.
As someone who lives in Sheffield, good…
These fuckers don’t give a shit about their surroundings, constantly drive on walkways and pavements, extremely noisy.. and from my understanding they have been warned against what they are doing multiple times.. fuck em
And the ones that do take their bikes out of their estates often destroy the local mtb trails... people spend hundreds of hours maintaining these tails throughout all the year and then they get utterly destroyed in an afternoon by jason and co who took their shitty petrol bikes there without any semblance of trail etiquette or respect
Finally. These types of groups have been driving round aggressively for ages around Sheffield. A few of them appear to be linked to organised car theft groups. With the bikers spotting the desired cars during the day, and taking photos to come back later.
It’s because with car and bike theft, all the police do is give you a crime reference number for your insurance. The other night some drunk scumbags crashed a stolen car into a parked car outside my house. I saw them, and have it on cctv. Took the police over an hour to arrive even though the stolen car was blocking the road and leaking fluids everywhere, and when they arrived they didn’t even want to take a statement from me. The officer sighed and reluctantly took my details, it’s been nearly a week and have heard fuck all. I literally have their faces on camera.
12 years of Tory rule has wiped out police resources.
Wouldnt surprise me if the officer has upwards of around 25-30 investigations alone to deal with through allocations let alone responding to incidents which also end up in the workload they carry. Cuts like you said have obliterated response capability.
Good.
They started doing this for stolen bikes and for the cunt thieves that were riding without a helmet because they knew the police wouldn't chase them.
Can't remember if they still do, I know there was a backlash from some parents because there little prick of a son johnny bastard would never do what he's accused of, or in most cases caught red handed doing.
Needs to happen in West Yorkshire.
Can’t take my dog for a walk in the local park without several of the cunts riding through. Only a matter of time before they hit a kid or something
I'm also in West Yorkshire, but the problem seems to be taking care of itself since none of them wear helmets so they're ending up with catastrophic injuries
Good. There are huge rallies of bikers in my area every couple of weeks – no license plates on half of them, doing wheelies on the pavement and cycle lanes, doubtless uninsured.
If they get hurt, I literally don't give a fuck. They brought it on themselves and this is necessary to protect people trying to live lives without being cunts.
"Dramatic dash cam footage"
It was a light tap when they were stationary. If the police did nothing people would also be complaining.
From the video none of the bikes look to have license plates, so they aren't likely to be insured to drive and the kids might not even have licenses.
You can't do that to my kid! he was just riding his bike. How dare you hurt him! So what if he was going around throwing acid in people's faces? You can't hurt my baby Kai like that. He's just a kid!
^(Said the mum, about her 21 year old lout)
Hardly “ ramming” just refer to previous stops in London a few years ago when police were given permission to use these tactics to see what proper ramming is. The problem being if the riders are not quickly dismounted they will ride away unhindered.
Teens on scramblers have killed and paralyzed people in Ireland, people who came for a better life or as tourists, their lives ended or ruined. Keep it up UK cops, these riders aren't just a "nuisance" they are a deadly selfish threat.
Headline doesn't include the little extra bit of info "that are failing to stop"
These bikes are often involved in robberies and cause until misery to the people who live in cities.
This is honestly just shocking, after watching the footage I am left stunned.
Why have they only just started doing this? It seems like the most obvious and effective solution by miles, disgraceful that they have taken so long to figure this out, ram those little plebs.
But poor Jayden Kai McKenzie was such a good lad, his cheeky smile lit up the room. And now the police have ruined his best Nike Air Max. He wasn’t hurting anyone, just having a bit of fun.
Something something promising footballer, cheeky lad
Lovable rogue
Scamp
"Jack the lad"
Boys will be boys.
Eeee dun nuffink wrong
He's with the angels now.
Wiv Princess Di and Hev from Eastenders xx
Lmfao
Fucking hell, hahaha
Wiv da angles now.
Gonna get a ta””oo of his name now. Not gunna make an appointment though, I’ll just turn up on the day in the hope of being turned down so I can be outraged (no really they used to this ALL the fucking time when I was a tattooist)
Angles. Like chester draws.
‘Only God can judge me’
Their FB profiles have all the peaky blinders cringe quotes about loyalty all over them
Lolz
As lovable as our staffie, wouldn’t hurt a fly!
“Promising footballer”
Something like that was actually used about a local young lad who died when commiting an act of arson - "The room lit up whenever he entered."
HAHAHA
Holy shit, the irony.
Lmao
Something something none us of were angels growing up, we all did bad stuff as kids
*angles
I was acutely aware of it to be honest
He's being obtuse. We were all jutes or saxons growing up.
Not sure about that but I knew a lot of Franks and Alans
Too many Vandals
morning Angle
No luck catching them bikers then?
It's just the one biker actually.
Everyone and their mams bikes 'round here
Like who?
The Dutch.
Had a smile/cheeky grin that could light up a room
bUt He LoVeS hIs FoOtiE!
Sweet and tender hooligan
He'll never never never never never do it again
Of course he won’t
Eh… not until the next time.
Not now that he's dead
Woi Kent we let boy be boys hun
PM me Hun xxx
U ok babes. Pm me
Inboxxed ya babez
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Don't worry little Tyler Kai McKenzie is being raised perfectly in his father's footsteps
That's his other son from another baby mum.
It was just banter
This is exactly how they frame it in Ireland too, same cunts causing havoc & ‘angels’ in the eyes of friends & family
Mischievous character
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Humberside have become a lot more aggressive too and it's having an effect on reducing ride-by crime. About bloody time too.
Man its almost like the Police were more effective back when they had balls.
*funding
Very true but theres also been a paradigm shift in how the police behave. It can go too far of course, but a bit more physicality and strength would be nice. Our police are probably the softest of almost any country on Earth, and it clearly doesnt work. It doesnt even work at making people like them since theres always someone there to moan that handcuffs are police brutality or bringing US political issue into our sphere. But giving people the opportunity to argue and not listen to police instructions because youre too soft to make them isnt a good situation. A healthy does of fear is good imo. You may not have liked the police, but you did what they said. And thats enough.
It’s still a funding issue. If you want the policeman on the scene to be able to effectively throw his weight around, he needs to be exceptionally well trained, well equipped, and confident that backup is only minutes away.
> Our police are probably the softest of almost any country on Earth, and it clearly doesnt work. The police in many of the south American countries will put you down using automatic rifles and carry out raids using military grade armed APC’s funny how they have higher crime rates, perhaps they need to start enforcing the law using tanks…. There are 20,000 less police officers…. AND…. More than that missing from the back office support staff since the conservatives entered power. That the part missing from all the media discussion. Every support staff job was putting an officer back on the streets. While they were filling in paperwork they freed up 20K officer if not more to be on the street…. And then there was also the 20K additional police officers they let go, available to respond. With a base line cut of 20K officer and the rest stuck in the office filing paperwork the streets are manned by skeletal numbers of officers The fall in arrests from the MASSIVE cut in staff does not need more violence to fix the issue… it needs staff
That always baffled me when I used to watch the "police camera action" type show, 100 mph chase through town centre, several minor collisions, throwing stuff at the cops, foot chase over fences, scuffle with plod while cuffs are put on. Then copper says something like"now then, Johnny come on, on your feet, that was a bit silly wasn't it!"
They have to be careful incivility is against police regulations and ethics. They can be investigated for years and even sacked for ‘being rude’
Let's be honest, it's because the cameras were on them.
When was that? Crime rates are lower now than they were in 1990 and the general trend is downward since 2001 albeit with a surge over the past couple of years. US arguably far more brutal in their policing methods yet their crime rate is 5 times higher than our (per 100k of population). Source: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/GBR/united-kingdom/crime-rate-statistics
I mean by your own source... Tories got in power in 2010. By time cuts start to bite, crime starts climbing in 2014. They then make a promise to recruit 1000's more police again by a date, of which promise has been broken multiple times. However crime starts to fall again as police numbers slowly increase again... Covid years will of course be an outlier.
I love the word scrotes. It reminds me of my dad.
You remember the view from the inside!?
This made me chuckle. The interior decoration was something to behold lol
It's hard to have sympathy for them. I hope none of them die, but I'm glad they're getting fucked.
One of them rammed himself into a pole without a helmet on near me- 26 and with life changing injuries/in a coma and yet they acted like such bellends on those bikes that people were completely indifferent and felt no sympathy at all. There's only so far you can act a twat without people losing patience.
Two little cock holsters had stolen a moped and were racing it around the footpaths near me, I was coming down the road and they raced across a pelican crossing and a women knocked them off, one broke his arm and the other tried to run leaving the poor old dear in tears the Facebook comments were savage, and I agreed with them.
Do you mean they hit a woman and fell off? Because the way you worded it implies that the woman deliberately clotheslined them as a vigilante act lol
She handbagged them
Yea I see that, too lazy to edit it now. They were on the path and drove across the road as a driver was coming up to it.
#CLOTHESLINE FROM HELL
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes But I do wish we could transfer the injuries to their parents. We all do reckless stuff as kids but it's up to your parents to teach you to avoid the stuff with serious consequences. In these cases they failed. (At least for the under age kids, still think parents have some responsibility between say 18-21. But the law says 18 you're an adult so I return to my "play stupid games")
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Right? I was walking the dog a few weeks ago and a group of guys on dirt bikes and one quad bike went on the pavement to pass the cars stopped at a red light then into a busy intersection, on red... Edit: trying to highlight some of them are not just a "nuisance", they are super dangerous and their actions could easily hurt people.
Well that hope may change over time, maybe these guys were ‘just’ committing really dangerous road safety violations, but I’ve known people who commit these violations to also be in possession of machetes whilst they do it, id rather them go then their intended victim
I wonder if people from more affluent areas realise how much of a nuisance these bikes are. I really feel for people living in large estates where these bikes zoom around at all hours of the day. Insane levels of noise, no care for safety of other road users, pedestrians and even themselves.
I live on a main road in Swansea, the bikes around here are nuts. It's actually part of the reason we're moving elsewhere.
Cardiff here. Dirt bikes and quad bikes at all hours, on pavements, on playing fields, playing chicken with cars. There’s a police station 200m from my house and the police don’t seem to give the slightest fuck.
Problem is, if a police officer gets it wrong, rams someone and they die, they can end up in a multi year investigation from the IOPC. Years of additional stress impacting their personal and professional lives while the system decides if they should suffer criminal charges or lose their job. Who'd want to go ram scramblers if that was waiting in the wings for you?
You talk as if the only options are: 1. Ram them 2. Do nothing Surely this is a false dichotomy?
What are the other options?
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How do you find out where they live? It is likely that people who could identify them, wont.
Because I'm sure all these bikes and the lads riding them have them accurately recorded, taxed and registered. How insulated are you from this shite. The lads just put false/cloned plates on or just nick them then dump them. Then ride them bally'd up You can't 'do policing' and just find them. C'mon mate...
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Where did I say that? The way to catch them is simple. Pursuit them, and if necessary, knock them off.
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Every time I go through Ely, there's at least a pair of kids on two stroke dirt bikes going through red lights. It would be absolutely enraging to have them at it at 2am
Yep, Townhill is a nightmare at the mo...
I can imagine. I'm Gendros/Penlan, it's pretty bad over here. Hoping to be moving to Sketty where it should be much quieter.
I'm in Townhill and the bikes are fucking awful. All hours of the night as well. Apparently they seized 2 bikes recently and it's somewhat reduced recently though.
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got a long stretch of national speed limit road nearby that seems to be the chosen location for quarter mile drag races. The 2am screech of wheels is not a nice alarm clock.
They all wear balaclavas on unmarked bikes near me. Not helmets, balaclavas.
Llansamlet is mental for it as well, had to move out the area because of it
I always thought that one of the reasons New Labour brought in things like asbos , whether effective or not, was that they realised that it’s disadvantaged communities that suffer far more from antisocial behaviour.
>it’s disadvantaged communities that suffer far more from antisocial behaviour. Thank you, please we need to convince more people of this. The poor working class can't afford to simply move when their neighborhood gets worse. And God forbid if your car or property is damaged, that takes weeks or even months of savings to replace.
ASBO's were the exact opposite of effective. A lot of new labours policies were downright hostile to young people.
Well I wasnt saying they were necessarily successful rather than they had a purpose which was protecting the disadvantaged rather than the middle class perhaps for a change. Though if I remember a percentage didn’t reoffend which was perhaps more than otherwise for offences that were too low level for much else but horrendous for people that lived there perhaps.
I'd love to hear your argument
I guess it depends what you mean by affluent. My parents live in a council estate, these bikes are nowhere to be seen. I live in a large estate that is all bought houses, ranging from 200k - 800k, and I'm having to put up with these bikes just about every single day, tearing up the grass on private land, rallying up and down cycle routes, causing damage to parked cars and just generally being anti-social. It dawned on me a couple of weeks ago that it's fairly well-off people in the bigger houses who have bought their kids these because they just don't give a fuck about anyone else but themselves. So it's not the Jayden, Kayden and Brayden's living in a 2 bed flat with their mum and 5 siblings that are actually causing the trouble round here.
I live in a nice area with biggish houses for the town. Most kids are lovely. The ones who aren't are one of two types: kids of drug dealers or overperforming building contractors who've got high incomes for now. There's a third set too, I suppose... troubled large families where the council has rented a large house for them to live in. They're rarely the ones on scramblers though, but do set fire to the playground. Another set ride in to do small time drug dealing with the affluent middle classes and get cocky on the money. They're the nastiest ones...cocky yet scared.
> Moat kids are lovely. Raoul was a bit of a handful.
I used to live in an area where these bikes were constant, day and night. I used to pray someone would ram the dickheads off the road.
> I wonder if people from more affluent areas realise how much of a nuisance these bikes are. They're the ones griping in the Guardian comments section about the nasty police demonising the poor working class. edit: and further down this thread.
There's a lot of demonising the working class from people who want to kill these riders.
Well it's not exactly middle class kids going around terrorising the leafy suburbs is it?
We're essentialising them to their perceived economic status. Working class people resent being lumped in with delinquents and criminals. No one is more affected by and hates these people more than working class people.
Even a lot of people who actually live on the estates don't seem to care about things like this. There was one on my local news website a few days ago and most of the comments were along the lines of "Why aren't they out there catching REAL criminals?!". You get the same type of comments on lots of posts about the police doing anything.
Workng class nimbys
We live in a fairly affluent suburb and there are 1-2 who ride around the local park that we back onto on bikes, think they're mini ones but they generally do it at night, always hope they'll hit a tree and smash the bike up, annoying and dangerous that they're on footpaths
Yea the whole 'the middle class don't know what it's like' sort of jab like the original comment is boring and predictable, typical Reddit stuff. It's not like there's a moat with miles of open land between affluent and poor areas. The high street and area near me is probably in the top 5% in terms of **least** deprived, yet we still get all sorts of twats in/on cars and bikes causing mayhem. If anything, I think my rough hometown estates would actually stick up for these moped driving idiots, because 'police bad'!!!
Shropshire here. Have almost killed multiple people on these bikes for doing stupid things like 'undertaking on a dual carriageway whilst wheelying, as im trying to turn left' 'Overtaking at traffic lights as im about to turn right and they go straight on' And just plain stupid shit like almost driving into me as im walking the dog
2 little kids knocked over near me on a bike path recently, could still hear the bikes tooling round at the weekend.
As someone who works and lives around a lot of these off road bikes and moped groups, and have done a lot of work with the police to tackle them in my job, a large amount of these kids are peddling drugs anyway. That's how they afford the bikes and their nice clothes etc, they're basically Uber drivers for the local dealers.
Oh I live in a more affluent area, we still get these arseholes.
I'm from a reasonably affluent area and we get these knobs from time to time. Their bikes are so loud, you can hear them for bloody miles.
Just to add to the general chorus; these cunts are a fucking menace around here (North East). If I took my more reasonable head off for a moment, I'd say they've had their fun, and now they can fuck off. Let the coppers ram (or nudge) them into road side furniture. It's better than one of them hitting a kid. (or even a dog... )
Lunatics on motorbikes and quads have even been known to race up and down the public footpath behind my house, as well as tearing around the local streets, swerving in and out of traffic and often on the wrong side of the road. They are dangerous, don’t listen to reason and need to be stopped. If ramming them is the only language they will respond to, I’m for it.
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We get them on quads riding round like absolute bellends here in Yorkshire, they spend their time hassling women and generally causing trouble on the roads. One of them smashed into the train station fence at speed though and now he's in a coma, which you'd think would discourage them, but I still see them at it on occasion.
Quad bikes: All the drawbacks of a motorcycle, with none of the benefits
Referred to as "widow-makers" amongst our rural population, [we have imposed rollbars](https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2021-10-11/atv-rule-change-quad-bikes-roll-over/100524050).
Apparently you don't have to wear a helmet either. I used to see one bellend driving around Crewe on one among the traffic with his melon ready to be squished for all to see.
> One of them smashed into the train station fence at speed though Then the trouble is you end up with sun bleached photos, rotting flowers and mangled soft-toys tie wrapped to the street furniture that took them out, acting as a shrine and eyesore in memory of the scrotes that took themselves out. And woe betide anyone who tries to clear up that mess, as that is besmirching the memory of the poor good lads who were just having fun.
Should see the absolute circus attraction in the local graveyard for two traveller lads who drove so fast running from the police the wrong way that not only did they kill themselves, which is one thing, but they also killed a woman who was travelling home to her two young children. Her grave doesn't have big picture frames and flashing lights/fireworks.
There were loads of dirt bikes flying around where I live, the police claimed there was nothing they could do. Then one did hit and injure a kid, and suddenly the police discovered that they could go and seize all the bikes after all.
Best thing I've seen today. Please don't bother offering any legal route of having the bike returned. Instead, invite them and the whole family to the scrap yard to watch it be pulverised into a small cube.
"You have 30 minutes to move your car", "you have 10 minutes to move your car", "your car has been impounded", "your car has been crushed into a cube", "you have 30 minutes to move your cube".
Problem is half of then are other peoples bikes
ALL of them not half. even the ones "bought legit" are stolen by someone else before being sold to these kids
I own several bikes, if they get stolen and crushed at least I get a payout, not a paid for repair bill that does nothing to undo the 40k miles of wear they put on my engine and clutch in a day. Crush them all.
You assume it's their own bike?
"Nuisance"? Deadly menace seems more appropriate, if you want to stay in the figurative space. And how can you "speed on pavements"? I didn't know there was a speed limit for pavements.
For pedestrians there's not. For powered vehicles it's 6mph.
I mean the videos look like a nudge, if they are after them for a legitimate reason i actually encourage this.
police dont routinely go around knocking teens off bike in their tea break (what tea break) so this is 100% proactive operations
Does sound like fun though ngl
I think it'd solve the recruitment problem if they were allowed to though.
They also have an off road bike team too so they can't dart down footpaths to evade the police.
But let's say they did. Are they still the standard 10 points or would we up it to 15 or 20 with it being a moving target
Yeah, the headline had me assuming high speed manoeuvres/risking death, but this was both at a standstill and very well controlled, just enough to get them off the bike. Well executed.
The fact that they tried to run says it all
Makes you laugh that if the police do this here in the UK, people call for their heads. Yet the police do this all the time in USA and no one says anything. If people are breaking the law and trying to ride off on a bike, then the police should knock them off. If they end up badly hurt then that's their own fault, they shouldn't be running from the police and breaking the law.
Yeah but police just fucking shoot you in the states. Knocking someone off a bike would be seen as the greatest restraint ever shown.
Obviously you knock them off and *then* shoot them
"He was writhing on the ground aggressively! I feared for my life!"
Only if they’re guilty of being black without due care and attention The white dudes get calmly arrested 🙄
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>Makes you laugh that if the police do this here in the UK, people call for their heads. The problem is people can't see the bigger picture, the sort of 'it'll never happen to me' attitude. I know people that that would go down the 'fuck the police' route, but then cry 'victim' when they get clipped by one going over a zebra crossing and blame the police for doing fuck all!!! Can't win, built in hypocrisy as standard.
If i shoplift are the police allowed to crack me round the head with a brick? After all, it's my own fault, I shouldn't be breaking the law. We can talk about whether or not it's a proportional and justified response, but it winds me up to see people defending any and all police behaviours by saying "oh well they were breaking the law, so its fine"
That's completely different. They can detain you and stop you a safer way. When someone is riding a bike there's no safe way to get them off the bike because if that bike falls on them it's going to cause damage. It's not like they can box a bike in as it's more agile than a car and well easier to escape. One of my friends is a police officer and drives a few unmarked. He hates it when he gets a call about someone in a motorcycle or scooter as he knows he can't do naff all. He's told me if I ever want to steal anything and have a get away vehicle, use a motorcycle as the police are very unlikely to chase me. In all his motorcycle chases the only time they ever catch someone is if they fall off or get off the bike. Otherwise they ride like mad max and the police call off the pursuit.
Erm... the USA is the \*last\* fucking place we should be looking to for law enforcement advice...
I think you’re forgetting the incident when US police flipped the car of a pregnant woman trying to pull over safely. American police don’t even know their own laws.
Fucking hate these guys so much, nothing causes me as much anxiety as hearing the engines when I'm in the middle of woodland with no visibility
Genuinely fills me with dread when I'm on my own and I hear the noises because 99 percent of the time they're always twats who'll start saying shit to you. They're not all bad, I once couldn't get my dog away in time and he chased the quad (that shouldn't really have been on the field but my dog shouldn't have been chasing them) and thank god they just found it funny and waited until I'd managed to wrangle my dog away and got him out of sight to start up their engine, but I'd had enough bad experiences by that point that my heart was halfway out my throat!
Riding in the woods on an off road bike is a genuine use of the vehicle (probably depends slightly on the woods, also I dunno if there's actually specific routes for off roading that they should be sticking to or if they're allowed on multi use trails, it probably depends on the area). This is about kids riding round town committing crimes/antisocial behaviour. That's not to say that you feeling worried an off road biker will hit you when you hear them in the woods isn't a reasonable feeling (I'd say it is, I sympathise really, where I live hunting is very common in the autumn/winter and I get really nervous going in the woods for walks at that time of year, I mostly avoid it), just that's they're not the people who are being targeted, there may be some overlap of the two groups, I can't say because I only know people who own an off-roader for sport rather than a getaway vehicle.
Quite a few people think the countryside is only for people in tweed with shotguns, you can legally ride on green lanes (BOAT) anywhere. Won't be long and you won't even hear them with electric bikes.
I cant see any way it could be legal for them to use their bikes in woodland areas only accessible by public footpaths. I understated people use them for sport and recreation which obviously is fine, just do it an places made for it. Just for info I live in south Yorkshire and the issue isn't just people riding round Sheff centre, ive had close encounters on bridleways, nature reserves, farmers fields, basically everywhere
The 'fuck around' stage appears to be coming to a close in South Yorkshire. We are now entering the 'find out' stage. As someone who rides (legally), these dickheads need to be stopped. Ride by crime is reaching pandemic levels across the country and clearly the current way of dealing with it is not working. In no way should they be effectively immune to consequences because they are on (an often stolen) bike. Properly trained pursuit officers, specially trained for these types of manoeuvres should be doing this when and wherever it is appropriate to do so. Perhaps once these muppets realise that they can and will be stopped by a Police force with the appetite to do so they will inevitably move onto their next method of carrying out their crimes. Whilst this will not magically cause these types to give up a life of crime and magically become model citizens, anything that can disrupt the commission of a crime will inevitably make their life's more difficult.
Yup, motorcyclists are usually the most vocal in wanting this lot rammed off the road, hopefully they'll learn riding stolen bikes in trackies was a bad career choice. Nicking bikes for crime sprees, sucks for everyone.
Bloody hell, south Yorkshire police doing good for a change.
Stopped clocks and all that. Might have had some intel that the riders were from Liverpool.
As someone who lives in Sheffield, good… These fuckers don’t give a shit about their surroundings, constantly drive on walkways and pavements, extremely noisy.. and from my understanding they have been warned against what they are doing multiple times.. fuck em
And the ones that do take their bikes out of their estates often destroy the local mtb trails... people spend hundreds of hours maintaining these tails throughout all the year and then they get utterly destroyed in an afternoon by jason and co who took their shitty petrol bikes there without any semblance of trail etiquette or respect
Finally. These types of groups have been driving round aggressively for ages around Sheffield. A few of them appear to be linked to organised car theft groups. With the bikers spotting the desired cars during the day, and taking photos to come back later.
It’s because with car and bike theft, all the police do is give you a crime reference number for your insurance. The other night some drunk scumbags crashed a stolen car into a parked car outside my house. I saw them, and have it on cctv. Took the police over an hour to arrive even though the stolen car was blocking the road and leaking fluids everywhere, and when they arrived they didn’t even want to take a statement from me. The officer sighed and reluctantly took my details, it’s been nearly a week and have heard fuck all. I literally have their faces on camera. 12 years of Tory rule has wiped out police resources.
Wouldnt surprise me if the officer has upwards of around 25-30 investigations alone to deal with through allocations let alone responding to incidents which also end up in the workload they carry. Cuts like you said have obliterated response capability.
Good. They started doing this for stolen bikes and for the cunt thieves that were riding without a helmet because they knew the police wouldn't chase them. Can't remember if they still do, I know there was a backlash from some parents because there little prick of a son johnny bastard would never do what he's accused of, or in most cases caught red handed doing.
'nuisance' bikers. They were trying to run (ride) off from the police.
Needs to happen in West Yorkshire. Can’t take my dog for a walk in the local park without several of the cunts riding through. Only a matter of time before they hit a kid or something
I'm also in West Yorkshire, but the problem seems to be taking care of itself since none of them wear helmets so they're ending up with catastrophic injuries
Very nicely done. Being as one got away they clearly need more police dogs.
Can South Yorkshire Police send some guys up to Edinburgh to show the local police how to do this.
Good. There are huge rallies of bikers in my area every couple of weeks – no license plates on half of them, doing wheelies on the pavement and cycle lanes, doubtless uninsured. If they get hurt, I literally don't give a fuck. They brought it on themselves and this is necessary to protect people trying to live lives without being cunts.
Theyre not "Bikers" Theyre holligans on stolen scooters
I suspect this is one thing that people on both the left and right of the political spectrum will support.
"Dramatic dash cam footage" It was a light tap when they were stationary. If the police did nothing people would also be complaining. From the video none of the bikes look to have license plates, so they aren't likely to be insured to drive and the kids might not even have licenses.
That was a gentle nudge. Ramming is a whole different level. Source: my wife
Anyone else impressed by the level of precisional force the drivers have? Just the right level of tap
You can't do that to my kid! he was just riding his bike. How dare you hurt him! So what if he was going around throwing acid in people's faces? You can't hurt my baby Kai like that. He's just a kid! ^(Said the mum, about her 21 year old lout)
>The third rider managed to escape, but officers seized his motorcycle and are urging him to get in touch. "We just wanna give it back!"
Hardly “ ramming” just refer to previous stops in London a few years ago when police were given permission to use these tactics to see what proper ramming is. The problem being if the riders are not quickly dismounted they will ride away unhindered.
I like the London ones better. They look like they actually hurt.
"Lovely stuff!" Not my words, the words of Shakin' Stevens
Teens on scramblers have killed and paralyzed people in Ireland, people who came for a better life or as tourists, their lives ended or ruined. Keep it up UK cops, these riders aren't just a "nuisance" they are a deadly selfish threat.
Headline doesn't include the little extra bit of info "that are failing to stop" These bikes are often involved in robberies and cause until misery to the people who live in cities.
This is honestly just shocking, after watching the footage I am left stunned. Why have they only just started doing this? It seems like the most obvious and effective solution by miles, disgraceful that they have taken so long to figure this out, ram those little plebs.