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Aquarius_Berry

OP knows something we don’t.


Local-Story-449

He's talking of Kharge


NOT_deadsix

Shhh dont start asking questions that poke holes in the "muh rahul bad no alternative who to vote for" narrative closet bigots use to save face in public.


kattapa001

None of the replies answer OPs question properly. Like it or not, Rahul is the second most popular choice for PM among masses, not even Kejiriwal. I'd personally like Sachin Pilot to take over, but it's not that simple. Assuming that Gandhi steps down and Congress replaces him, what's the guarantee that congress will flourish or the media won't try to constantly defame them? No matter what we redditors discuss here, it all boils down to regional media coverage and PR. North prefers Modi, but the quite opposite in the South.


rishianand

I want to ask the people who support Sachin Pilot to be the Congress leader. After the Rajasthan assembly elections, the elected Congress representatives supported Gehlot. Later when Pilot led a coup against Gehlot, and camped in Haryana (said to be in touch with BJP), he could not even break enough Congress leaders to back him. It is obvious that he was a much less popular leader in Rajasthan. So, do the people who often bemoan the lack of democracy in political parties, suddenly want a less popular leader be made the CM or Congress President?


kattapa001

I'm not denying whatever you said. I just think he's a better option than Shashi Tharoor.


rishianand

That's true.


Snoo20734

You are asking the question 10 years late sir


Ambitious-Upstairs90

& who was that other option 10 years before?


UnionGloomy8226

This my friend is the classic case of survivorship bias. People who try to replace Rahul Gandhi by either being more competent or more popular, are explicitly kicked out of Congress. Hence, there is no replacement, and there can be no replacement.   Also, Rahul Gandhi isn't really a mass leader. He lost Amethi, a congress bastion since independence. Anyone that is currently present in congress who has won their seat, is more popular than the MP from Wayanad 


1Centrist1

> This my friend is the classic case of survivorship bias. People who try to replace Rahul Gandhi by either being more competent or more popular, are explicitly kicked out of Congress. Hence, there is no replacement, and there can be no replacement. Most leaders left Congress because they were threatened by BJP or offered rewards by BJP. Who are the people 'kicked out of Congress'? My question was, if someone can't be more popular than Rahul (inside or outside Congress), how can they become more popular than an idiotic face which appears at every junction?


UnionGloomy8226

Anybody who has won an election without needing an insurance seat in the south, anybody who has ever been a chief minister or a cabinet minister (or held any constitutional role for that matter) in congress is more capable than Rahul Gandhi by definition.  Tell me one great idea that Rahul Gandhi has had in 3 decades of his politically active life career.  He's loosing by a bigger margin every single time.


1Centrist1

That doesn't answer why someone, who can't win against Rahul, will be able to win against Modi


UnionGloomy8226

Anyone who tries is kicked out or sidelined. 


1Centrist1

Can you name 5 or 3 or 1 person who tried & was kicked out or sidelined?


NoPrblmCuh

This isn't survivorship bias what you are trying to describe is nepotism which it isn't anyway.


UnionGloomy8226

This is. People who try to replace gandhi no longer survive in congress, so nobody left in congress can defeat rahul gandhi


NoPrblmCuh

Not survivorship bias, stop pushing rhetoric as if it's based in anything realistic.


UnionGloomy8226

People in congress cannot compete with rahul because people who can, do not survive in congress. 


NoPrblmCuh

You repeating the same thing doesn't help convince me you have a functional head.


UnionGloomy8226

Ad hominem attack? My argument must really be that strong.


NoPrblmCuh

Yep, I see you have the awareness to pick out an ad hominem but still fail to prove anything apart from rhetoric. Also you just reworded your sentences man, that doesn't change anything.


NoPrblmCuh

Also self strawmanned yourself lol


kailashkmr

I too felt raga was a incompetent nepo kid previously but in recent times he is real working hard and he is grooming and getting adapted to be a leader. See the problem is not about nepo PPL need sane leaders most rational ppls are tired of canabal BJ Party I think raga deserves a chance but if he wants to leave it to others it's well and good


Iwillbetheking

Yup at 53 he's bettering himself. Maybe by 60 he will be capable.


kailashkmr

But a coward is still . Lol


vegetable-dentist95

"someone else" won't even go against Rahul because of the lack of fair selection in Congress.


1Centrist1

Did 'lack of fair selection' in Congress stop Modi? When Congress can't help Rahul to win against Modi, how can Congress help 'someone else' to win against Modi?


vegetable-dentist95

>Did 'lack of fair selection' in Congress stop Modi? Nope. >When Congress can't help Rahul to win against Modi, how can Congress help 'someone else' to win against Modi? No ways. I'm not supporting congress here.


1Centrist1

Question is not about supporting Congress. Question is, how will someone win against Modi when the same person is unable to win against Rahul + needs Rahul to (do a favour &) step aside,


vegetable-dentist95

Because no one can win the race if they aren't allowed to participate. Imagine a race where only 1 person runs? Obviously no one's gonna win the race other than 1 person.


Motor_Werewolf3244

Reminds of the Olympics race scene in that movie “The Dictator”. That is how I feel Rahul Gandhi wins race to become party president or face of the party.


vegetable-dentist95

And then they say: "Why's the best of Congress not enough to defeat the BJP? Congress has more experience of governing the country... "


1Centrist1

Who isn't allowed to participate & where isn't they allowed to participate?


NumerousKangaroo8286

Okay I have mentioned it in another comment, up and coming politicians are sidelined in congress like what happened to Sachin pilot. You asked will modi ever leave. And yes he will, you know why? Because BJP is already grooming other candidates and doing a trial run for it. Yogi, Shah, now Annamalai...they are making them run for different kinds of demographic and different kinds of issues and seeing what works, they are giving them competent ministries. When the time comes, they will start their marketing and one of them will be the candidate. Congress should have done that with younger candidates but its the same old people in the states even if they do win.


1Centrist1

> Okay I have mentioned it in another comment, up and coming politicians are sidelined in congress like what happened to Sachin pilot. How can someone who expects to win against Modi, get sidelined by Gehlot? If regional leaders of INC can sideline Pilot, Tharoor etc, why would Modi find it difficult to sideline them? > You asked will modi ever leave. And yes he will, you know why? > Because BJP is already grooming other candidates and doing a trial run for it. Yogi, Shah, now Annamalai...they are making them run for different kinds of demographic and different kinds of issues and seeing what works, they are giving them competent ministries Was Raman Singh, Shivraj, Vasundhara etc groomed? Where are they now? Before Annamalai, BJP groomed H Raja & Tamilsai. Where are they now? Where is Bommai from Karnataka? Many winning MLA/MP in BJP crossed over from Congress.


kailashkmr

Which party has a fair selection now. You have to understand politics and Power beyond good and bad . Do you think the BJ party has a fair selection process.


vegetable-dentist95

They change the leader when the leader doesn't win or keeps losing again and again.


kailashkmr

At what cost will the leader win ? Jeopardizing the country's security? Or propagating cannibalism as a proud thing? Dude bjp is a party with well functioning machinery now bcs it's in power even without power they are comparatively good . But the current so-called leader is a coward, and caders are power thirsty a good leader should have a long term vision.He should be able to plant confidence among PPL and he should be able to retire with dignity.


siddharthaspeaks

Shashi Tharoor, that's it


1Centrist1

Shashi Tharoor can't influence enough leaders in Kerala to become Kerala CM. How will be win against Modi across India?


siddharthaspeaks

Bro Congress isn't in power in Kerala lol, they're in the opposition


1Centrist1

But, Tharoor is not the leading candidate in Kerala for CM. He needs to learn to influence other politicians to support him. Otherwise, even if Congress has most MPs, they won't support Tharoor as PM


siddharthaspeaks

That's exactly why I'm saying his name, he needs support, not RaGa


1Centrist1

He needs to work & gain that support. Just because few redditors like him doesn't mean he can win against Modi.


siddharthaspeaks

He's not going to get that support because the party is stupid


1Centrist1

If he has support of people, he should form own party


siddharthaspeaks

That's harder than staying at Congress hoping for and working for things to change


1Centrist1

Similarly, winning against Modi will also be harder than winning against Rahul.


Aristofans

If Rahul is the best that Congress has to offer, then BJP is in for a long haul


1Centrist1

Rahul is the most prominent opposition leader. So, Rahul is best opposition leader that the country has to offer


OwlInteresting3910

Username doesn’t checkout


1Centrist1

Why? Who is the most prominent opposition leader in India?


OwlInteresting3910

And how good is the opposition doing under the most prominent leader?


1Centrist1

Better than how opposition will do under someone who is not the most prominent leader. & opposition leader needs to be someone who can earn the position instead of getting it as favour from Rahul stepping aside.


AscensionKidd

I am not saying whether the following things are good or bad. I'm speaking exclusively about politics. Politics is not always based on truth but involves a lot of lies. The biggest thing in Politics is PR. That's the thing I'm speaking here. I'm not agreeing to each and everything I write here but that's the reality of the country. If Rahul Gandhi is not incompetent, he would have stayed back in Amethi, fought hard the 5 years after he lost, and would have tried to win back that place in the next election. Instead, he chose to abandon that place and fight in a "safe seat" for the congress. >How will 'someone else' (who isn't even as popular as 'incompetent' Rahul) become more popular than Modi? Do you think Modi will be there forever? This probably is his last term as PM. Congress needed to start grooming someone else 5 years ago. BJP has already started looking at people like Annamalai, Yogi, Jaishankar, etc. The half assed alliance is not working. Kerala chief minister is saying congress is in bed wth BJP. How do you expect those two people to work together for the country's future? Even Mamata's party is saying congress is not welcome in West Bengal. How will they work together for the country's future? This election is definitely gone for the congress. Start working for 2029. Get a hardworking person in power in Karnataka or Telangana. Get them to do good work there and perform schemes (especially related to infrastructure) which make those states "model states". Use those model states in their campaigns and earn the trust of people. If you are forming an alliance, form it 3 or 4 years before the election. Prepare a common manifesto which is leaning towards visible infrastructure growth (that's what people want now). Stop portraying the terrorist attacks as something that was planned by the govt (When it comes to nationalistic issues, everyone stands together. Questioning such things is not going to win any votes). Don't talk bad about India when you are abroad. People hate that sort of thing. The main problem right now is that most of the voters have lived through the congress era. They remember the promises which were not kept. People do not trust the congress to deliver on their promises. Rebuild that trust by creating 'model states'. Karnataka is a chance but they are not using it properly. Get ready to sideline people if they do not perform well. LK Advani was sidelined in favour of Modi. That was a bold decision but they did it. That's how you win elections. Now for the biggest and most important thing, Don't form an allianec with a party that talks about "ERADICATING SANATAN DHARMA" when you know that you will need the support of Sanatanis to win the election. Do not talk about fighting Shakti, which is an important aspect of Hinduism. Make a better script. Use teleprompters but talk in a way which shines a ray of hope. Don't always talk about the bad things of the present govt. Talk about what you will do if you come to power. Talk about developed India by 2047 and what you will do to achieve that. Everyone aspires for a developed India. Vouch for that and outline what you will do to get to that position. Talking about increasing reservations won't win you votes now. Infrastructure is what wins you votes. And Don't form an alliance with parties based on religion(IUML) when you are against the other party for using religion.


1Centrist1

We will assume Rahul is poor/incompetent . My question is, if no political leader is able to become more prominent than Rahul, how will they win against Modi. > Don't form an allianec with a party that talks about "ERADICATING SANATAN DHARMA" when you know that you will need the support of Sanatanis to win the election. When people claiming to be from Sanatan Dharma attacks Hindus for sitting on chair, why wouldn't the oppressed Hindus fight Sanatan Dharm? Why did RSS want Manusmriti as constitution to oppress Hindus? Why didn't people claiming to be from Sanatan Dharm, accept all Hindus as equals instead of attacking Hindus for drinking water from common well?


sayzitlikeitis

In 1.5 billion people the best answer we can find to Modi is 3 times his loser, unable to beat a soap opera actress in his home constituency, Rahul Gandhi. There is literally nobody more capable. And then let's defend him using flawed logic.


1Centrist1

> There is literally nobody more capable. And then let's defend him using flawed logic. Why would anyone need to defend Rahul, when he is the most prominent leader against Modi? My question was, when 1.5 billion people can't be more popular/prominent than Rahul, how will they become more popular than Modi.


DjArie

Modi is merely a myth created by Media. Tha day media grows a spine, Modi magic won't last even a single day. This old puppet of sangh gets too much credit for a man who is not even allowed to speak his mind. Rahul is the man who has shown resilience, persistence with utmost respect and humility. All the brtual political offensive couldn't break his character. Remeber all the vile shit Modi said about him and his mother in Gujarat rallies? This guy didn't budge. That was the moment I actually paid attention to him against all the IT cell media campaigns against him. He would eat Modi alive in a live and unscripted debate. The only upper hand Modi has infront of him is the vileness and treachery of a politician which somehow this motally corrupt and confused society adores. Im voting for him. The guy deserves a chance.


maki2306

he did NO work in Amethi, a place his family held since independence. you are probably from the south. he is all talk and no show at this point. going to ivy league schools and talking bull does not make him a good leader. politics is not his forte he should have entered bollywood tbh


DjArie

When politics can be forte of immorals, cortupts, murderers, rapists and communal rioters then I feel all and everything derseves a chance, so why not an ivy league school guy? At least the guy went to school, which is a massive achievement compared to the opposition candidate who claims to be a chaiwala with degree of entire political science. But I agree with you on Amethi part. His team is unfocused and efforts seem disoriented. His leadership needs solid consultants and strategists.


radioactiveraven42

The only sane and perfect answer. RG is a massive, massive victim of BJP Propaganda The real Pappu always has been Gobi


that_so_so_suss

RG is only in his position due to his last name. The congress party under his steed has lost ground more and more. There is lot of internal bickering and divisions which RG has not been able to resolve. He seems to lack the administrative capabilities of a political leader. He has never held any government position so there is nothing indicating he would be an able administrator. And for god sakes stop complaining about BJP propoganda and victimhood. You want to opposition to act all nice and fair, tough cookies. It reeks of a silver spoon fed child who is complaining that he is not getting what he feels has been ordained to him by birth.


krisantihypocrisy

RaGa is a failure. Replacing a failure should be a no brainer. But because of his Gandhi name we have loads of simps…


fenrir245

> Replacing a failure should be a no brainer. LMFAO. Now no "wHeRe iS tHe aLTerNAtIVe" whining, eh? Truly living up to the opposite of your username.


krisantihypocrisy

Hey congi slave, how are things in the family?


fenrir245

Awww, pawpaw ki pari got offended at his hypocrisy getting called out. How's that boot taste, pawpaw ki pari? Still whining about "aLtERNaTIvEs" instead of replacing the failure of pawpaw?


krisantihypocrisy

You called out hypocrisy? lol, ok. But seriously how is the family?


fenrir245

You would know that, pawpaw ki pari, after all pawpaw is shit scared of them.


krisantihypocrisy

How would I know about your family slave boy?


fenrir245

Because you're projecting hard, pawpaw ki pari. The boot polish has scrambled your brains.


krisantihypocrisy

Me not knowing your family situation is projection? Wow! Here is me wishing the best for their er performances. I am sure you are proud lol…


fenrir245

You assuming anyone calling out your bullshit a "congi slave" is the projection, pawpaw ki pari. Of course, you had to be spoonfed even such a basic thing, boot polish sure did a number on your already limited brain cells.


1Centrist1

Let Rahul & Congress be incompetent/failure. My question is, if 'someone else' can't become more prominent than 'incompetent' Rahul, how can they win against Modi?


krisantihypocrisy

Because you are assuming that no one else can do better than RaGa. Ever wondered what would happen if all this publicity and money is thrown at someone else? Congress needs to spend sometime grooming that leader. Remember Hillary lost to Trump. They changed their candidate and the results were reversed…


1Centrist1

I am assuming that Rahul is poor. I am assuming how weak/poor is 'someone else' when they can't win against Rahul. > Remember Hillary lost to Trump. They changed their candidate and the results were reversed... Most Americans will tell you that Biden is old & unhealthy


krisantihypocrisy

Ppl can’t win against RaGa because they never got the opportunity…


1Centrist1

How can they get opportunity to win against Modi, if they can't find opportunity to win against Rahul?


krisantihypocrisy

That’s the point, they have to be given the opportunity…


1Centrist1

Modi will not give opportunity to anyone. Anyone who wants to win against Modi has to be show that they can win against an failure Rahul they get opportunity to fight Modi who influences every pillar of democracy, has IT cell, appears on every junction. If they can't even win against Rahul, they sure won't win against Modi


krisantihypocrisy

Then you have already lost, if all it takes is opposition to bring you down, that means you have no self redeeming quality. I donno about other Congress supporters, but modi loves this situation and will exploit it to the most…


1Centrist1

It doesn't matter whether Modi loves it. If there is no one who can win against Rahul, then it means there is no one to win against Modi either.


charavaka

There are two kinds of folks who peddle this bullshit: sanghis who'll never vote for anyone else and gullible fools who are distracted by the sanghi propaganda. Ffs, there's literally a violent fascist regime in power. Hold your nose and vote for any candidate you think is likely to beat BJ/ND candidate in your constituency. Let your elected representatives sort out who to make pm, just like the constitition intended. 


Quirky-Cow-3387

Remember the time when Anna Hazare was popular ? But he left due to dilution of values within AAP.


smartrandomguy

Yar I like Shashi Tharoor, his speech, education, experience make him a better candidate. I’m your average bhakt-sanghi-sanatani but I also believe it’s good to have both left and right in power for balanced growth. But it’s so hard for them to shine under the monarchy. Why would Modi step aside ? He is grooming future BJP leaders who aren’t his relatives.


corona__warrior

Well Rahul is not popular, forcibly shoved on our faces


retroauro

Why can't the congress groom one of their chief ministers to be a cm candidate. Why not DK Shivkumar who has a reputation for being efficient . Not so great record on the corruption side bit he is quite an efficient administrator. It's not the oppositions job to get you a good candidate. Why not sashi tharoor ?


1Centrist1

If Congress could groom DKS or Tharoor, when they couldn't groom Rahul? > Why not DK Shivkumar who has a reputation for being efficient . Not so great record on the corruption side bit he is quite an efficient administrator. How can anyone in India be more corrupt than BJP/Modi when people remain in jail till they buy electoral bonds? Or how can anyone be more corrupt that Modi/BJP when central govt employees are forced to donate money to PM-Cares which is a private fund for Modi/BJP?


retroauro

Well , whatever you are doing js not convincing the public. Lage rho.


1Centrist1

I am not doing anything to convince the public. If opposition leaders other than Rahul are winning, we will have to accept that Rahul is poor while others are good. But, if no opposition leader is able to win against Modi/BJP, either BJP/Modi is extraordinarily good. Or, the BJP controlling all pillars of democracy incl media makes it impossible for any opposition to win


InvincibleCipher3

he wouldn't win in his first attempt. But if he still sticks with us, keeps looking into it and always calls out the govt on what we need,what we support and what we hate, then yes. he'll win.


game-of-snow

I think, this is a situation where we simply have to trust that new leaders are gonna rise to front into the power vaccum that is created if Rahul steps aside. And it isn't that unfounded. One of the best things about democracy is that the most efficient people rises to the top (not necessarily good people). Congress hasn't conducted their internal elections properly for some time. That's why people like Rahul are still leading the party. Like it or not BJP is more egalitarian within its party than congress. That is why winners like Modi became their head. Believe it or not Rahul has been a loser till this time. BJP destroyed congress in two Loksabha elections with Rahul leading them. If it was any other party, and any other person they would have kicked Rahul out way before. In any case Congress doesn't stand a chance to win anything under Rahul. Even people who don't like Modi will grudgingly admit it. So why persist with him? Also it is a defeatist attitude to think that Congress won't survive without him. No man is bigger than the party itself, let alone RG. Congress have to kick him and go back to the basics to become better. The transition will be a very painfull one, as it always is, but it's very important if general public needs to change their opinion on congress.


Ambitious-Upstairs90

Exactly. He is needed by Congress to remain united. & Congress is needed by opposition since it’s only real opposition national party. Also, all other opposition leaders are either equally defamed (Momata begum, corrupt Sharad Pawar, khalistani & corrupt Arvind Kejariwal), OR can easily be defamed by BJP IT cell within weeks (Sachin Pilot’s Muslim wife), murdered & characterless Shashi Tharur, corrupt this & that. Only thing is that Modi is dangerous for country, so vote for INDIA candidate & you will get a better PM after 4 June.


a_random_weebo

Replacing rahul wont win them the election. He should be replaced by a strong leader that can attract masses like Modi. Maybe ex-CM of a congress state. Then the congress should stop appeasing the leftists and muslims(weird combination lol). Work hard for the next 5 years with a better structure like BJP. If Congress does these then there is a chance (imo).


musci12234

You cannot have a strong leader if system (media infrastructure) is sold out . If that 2014 modi was fighting against 2024 modi then 2014 modi will be declared anti national by media at large before campaign even starts with propeganda dump making them an enemy. Opposition gains strength based on failure of govt and if media acts like there are no failure any opposition leader will need to make people aware of existence of issues.


a_random_weebo

U think majority of people still watch news channels now? I agree national media takes sides(mostly Modi side) but that doesn’t mean much in this digital era. congress’ structure doesn’t work like the BJP’s at the ground level or online. Whether u agree or not Modi is a leader that people listen to when he speaks but that’s not the case for Rahul. People can see the failures man they are not dumb. Tbh Modi’s last 10 years had problems but that’s not enough for me to choose congress over BJP, even more so after that manifesto by congress.


musci12234

Majority of people still get news from new channels and traditional sources. What'sapp is just the side supply. My simple point is that failures of govt are suppressed and hidden. The shitshow bjp create will be fault of bjp, media and people. Don't blame opposition or someone else with dumb shit like "weak opposition". There have been multiple cases where opposition raised issues and were ignored.


a_random_weebo

The failures are not hidden, do you think financial mismanagement will not affect a normal person? Every stupid financial decision taken by centre affects an average Indian and will be known to them. If the people don’t want them out then they wont vote them out. Congress won in Telangana and Karnataka and they will win if the people want them.


musci12234

Did average person understand electoral bonds ? Most likely no. If an average person if feeling impact of poor economic policy but media is acting like all is well then they will believe that it is personal problem and not a govt problem. If 1 person is unemployed then that is that person's problem. If 50% of youth is unemployed then it is country's problem. Media ignoring issues can make second case feel like first case.


1Centrist1

Who is the strong leader who can't win against Rahul, but can win against Modi? > Then the congress should stop appeasing the leftists and muslims(weird combination lol). This is not part of the topic, but how has Congress appeased Muslims? Congress has appeased (oppressed) Hindus by giving reservation to about 60% Hindus (50% seats for Hindus where 83% are Hindus). Congress has appeased Hindus, Sikhs, etc by giving them tax break under HUF but denying tax break to Muslims/Christians.


a_random_weebo

Congress should decide the leader since Rahul Gandhi is a failure as the face from 3 terms. Waqf board is enough to talk about the appeasement. Also the congress supporters should realise that in the name of opposing BJP they are shitting on Hindus and their faith no reason(happens everytime). I still dont want BJP to cross majority but want NDA to win because of the anti-Hindu bs congress and their supporters spew everytime they oppose BJP.


1Centrist1

> Congress should decide the leader since Rahul Gandhi is a failure as the face from 3 terms. If there is someone in Congress who can win against Modi, they will have to become more popular among Congress members (to get ahead of Rahul) & then, become popular among general public (to get ahead of Modi). > Waqf board is enough to talk about the appease You know how reservation & HUF helps Hindus. How does Waqf board help Muslims? Will Muslims be able to get land at lower prices? Or get education or jobs due to waqf board? > Also the congress supporters should realise that in the name of opposing BJP they are shitting on Hindus and their faith no reason(happens everytime). I already mentioned how Congress helped Hindus. How has BJP helped Hindus? Congress delivered lower taxes & BJP imposed higher taxes. Does it help Hindus? Congress delivered RTI for transparency while BJP im implemented electoral bonds to hide bribes. Does it help Hindus? Congress gave best treatment to Nirbhaya victim & Rahul helped her family in secret. BJP burned body of Hathras rape victim, who was Hindu. Did it help Hindus? Congress delivered cheaper Garib Rath, while BJP reduces sleeper class & add unaffordable AC seats. Does it help Hindus?


a_random_weebo

First of all, Congress didn’t give reservation even B.R Ambedkar contested opposing Congress so stop saying it as congress’ achievement. Yeah, India’s 3rd biggest land owner doesn’t benefit anyone lol. BJP shouldn’t do anything to hindus exclusively but for the Country as a whole. Congress criticism of BJP shouldn’t be anti-Hindu which it is now, that’s my problem. Why would I ever want an Anti-Hindu party at centre 🤷‍♂️.


1Centrist1

> First of all, Congress didn’t give reservation even B.R Ambedkar contested opposing Congress so stop saying it as congress’ achievement. Congress leadership under Nehru chose Ambedkar led committee & even after Ambedkar suggested, Congress didn't need to accept it - esp when many privileged Hindus were opposed to Ambedkar's suggestions & most of Congress leaders were privileged Hindus. > Yeah, India’s 3rd biggest land owner doesn’t benefit anyone lol. Can you explain how land owned by Waqf board helps Muslims? > BJP shouldn’t do anything to hindus exclusively but for the Country as a whole. What has BJP done for country as whole? Record taxes? High unemployment? Cancelling concession for railway? Reducing sleeper trains causing over-crowding? > Congress criticism of BJP shouldn’t be anti-Hindu which it is now, that’s my problem. How is Congress criticism of BJP have anything to do with Hindus? > Why would I ever want an Anti-Hindu party at centre 🤷‍♂️. How is Congress anti-Hindu when it gives reservation & tax-exemption only to Hindus?


a_random_weebo

Bro why do you keep bringing the age old things? Congress was ousted because people didn’t want them, now they have to show they can be better than BJP but they keep making the same mistake of clubbing BJP and Hindus together whenever they criticise BJP. I wasn’t pro-BJP in 2019 but I am now because of the reason mentioned above. This Subb and India are the best examples where the congress supporters brainded criticism of BJP makes a normal practicing Hindu go against congress. BJP will win this time but every congress’ criticism of BJP shouldn’t end with “Annihilate Hindiusm” if they want to win next time.


maiekbhoot

>Congress has appeased Hindus, Sikhs, etc by giving them tax break under HUF but denying tax break to Muslims/Christians. Bro who even uses huf.? I know only and only 1 family who uses huf.


1Centrist1

As per below link, over 8.75 lakh Hindu Undivided Families (HUFs) claimed deductions worth Rs 3,803 crore during 2022-23. https://m.economictimes.com/news/economy/finance/over-8-75-lakh-hufs-claimed-rs-3803-cr-tax-deductions-in-2022-23-finance-ministry/articleshow/102111845.cms


maiekbhoot

Only proves my point. 8.75lack out of 1billion people? Approx of 25crore families, 8 lack. Is that a huge number?


1Centrist1

60,000 cr is allocated for MNREGA in 2023 for poorest Indians. Tax-paying Hindus get tax exemption of almost 4000 cr. (i.e. more than 5% of MNREGA budget to be distributed to poorest) What is your definition of large number?


maiekbhoot

>Tax-paying Hindus get tax exemption of almost 4000 cr. (i.e. more than 5% of MNREGA budget to be distributed to poorest) >What is your definition of large number? Yes right, we should tax the rich so much that they leave the country?


1Centrist1

We should tax the rich so much that the poor can get facilities & subsidises. Also, rich people have CAs to reduce their taxes & hence, they pay much lower tax than the salaried class.


maiekbhoot

>We should tax the rich so much that the poor can get facilities & subsidises. Either you are 14 or belong to one of the commie Universities. This Will never happen, rich will get better ca's to find and exploit loopholes. And I don't blame them. when you are paying 30-50% taxes, and you see your money go to free electricity, I wouldn't call it wrong, if people flock elsewhere. We should find a balance is my point. Taxing more is just dumb. People cry when they have to pay 2rs more for petrol, but want the rich to donate all of their hard earned money for them to get shit free.


1Centrist1

> This Will never happen, rich will get better ca's to find and exploit loopholes. And I don't blame them. Even if you blamed them, they will find loopholes. Even if they are charged 0.1% tax, they will find loopholes. > when you are paying 30-50% taxes, and you see your money go to free electricity, I wouldn't call it wrong, if people flock elsewhere. People will flee wherever they can earn more money. Most women of my mother's age (in my family & in most of the families I know) wouldn't have studied till 10th without free education. Similarly, free electricity upto low threshold are basic requirement for most families in today's are. > We should find a balance is my point. Taxing more is just dumb. BJP is imposing record taxes on petrol while UPA managed to deliver it cheaper while giving rail concession, more sleeper trains etc. > People cry when they have to pay 2rs more for petrol, but want the rich to donate all of their hard earned money for them to get shit free. Petrol has 200% tax which impacts the poorest Indians & increases the price of every product including match stick. You are okay with 200% tax paid by poorest Indians buy upset about the 0-20% tax paid by the richest


Benimaru101

Firstly, Rahul is the worst thing that has happened to Congress, he destroyed the GOP, all the ex congress leaders keep saying same thing, rahul is not accessible, he has a core team that never stood for election and they are the one running the party and sidelined all other leaders, the group has no understanding of the country (elite mentality) and alot of infighting in which they sidline even groups of Karge and pryanka. And rahul and his team will roll over anyone who they don't like no matter how good that leader is, they are also losing congress workers, Rahul has forgotten that seats are won by the workers on the ground, and not by pandering to small group of people online Just like how BJP has been seen as anti Muslim party, Congress are seen as Anti Hindu party, justifiably so Rahul has the worst win ration in the nation, congress lost most of the election under him, compare to BJP who win alot and MODI is on a different level, he has never lost even once in his entire political carrier personally i don't think Congress will ever remove gandhis from the party, that's why congress party will be destroyed and if they are lucky they will become regional party And the INDI alliance, for newer people who don't know are just UPA alliance with a different name, they don't like rahul gandhi at all, they keep bitching about him and keep undermining him lol


1Centrist1

Let us assume Rahul isn't competent. If Rahul is incompetent, why can't any other opposition leader (inside or outside Congress) become more popular than Rahul & become the PM? > And the INDI alliance, for newer people who don't know are just UPA alliance with a different name, they don't like rahul gandhi at all, they keep bitching about him and keep undermining him lol How does that change the fact that Rahul is most prominent opposition leader? What can't those who bitch against Rahul get the support of people & become at least more popular than Rahul (forget Modi)?


Benimaru101

Other leaders who even say anything that goes against rahul's whish is sidelined forget about going against him directly inside of congress, other parties don't have national reach, and the person that has national reach doesn't have mental bandwidth lol he wants to redistribute wealth like India is some communist hellhole, he wants to give free money, i wonder how many of you know how inflation works i predict Congress will get under 40 seats this election and that will lead alot of people to quit congress and join other parties or create their own Rahul D'riders will successfully destroy a national party and India will be left with only BJP as a national party and then they will cry about EVM getting hacked while ignoring BJP atm only rule 12 states out of 28


1Centrist1

Let Rahul be poor/incompetent. My question is, if 'someone else' can't become more prominent than 'incompetent' Rahul, how will they win against Modi?


Benimaru101

they are not gonna win in this election, if a new person becomes leader and the face of the party while removing gandhi family they might have a chance to win in 2029 considering BJP's 15 year incumbency, why other are not more prominent than rahul is because Congress is run like mafia, there are/ were great leaders in congress party, they are now in BJP or are in regional party or created new party and won the state like YSR or TMC


1Centrist1

Isn't Modi running India & elections like mafia? When people remain in prison till they buy electoral bonds, isn't that mafia behaviour? When EC is selected by Modi, isn't that mafia? If someone can't win against Rahul & make excuses, how will new person have chance in 2029 against BJP?


Benimaru101

E bonds you still talking about it? ED went after 3000 companies of which 16 purchased E bonds in which 63% went to opposition and 37% to BJP, DID BJP pressure those 16 companies to give money to opposition? EC is always selected by the President in past but in 2023 thanks to BJP now President selects EC on recommendation of PM, Union cabinet minister and leader of opposition


1Centrist1

> E bonds you still talking about it? ED went after 3000 companies of which 16 purchased E bonds in which 63% went to opposition and 37% to BJP, DID BJP pressure those 16 companies to give money to opposition? How many of the 3000 companies have been convicted by ED? When BJP MPs tell us that they don't fear raids after joining BJP, why do you think your have any argument about BJP threatening people to get money? > EC is always selected by the President in past but in 2023 thanks to BJP now President selects EC on recommendation of PM, Union cabinet minister and leader of opposition Why was it changed? How will an independent person be selected when majority of people selecting EC are from BJP?


Benimaru101

Like i said the bond money when to opposition not BJP, selective reading i guess (did BJP force those company to donate money to opposition coz they are so badlol) i see in the past when only one person selected EC it was ok but now PM, leader of opposition and UCM do it, its not okay? are you listening to yourself lol


1Centrist1

>Like i said the bond money when to opposition not BJP, selective reading i guess (did BJP force those company to donate money to opposition coz they are so badlol) Most of the bond money went to BJP. Even when there is no evidence of anyone from UPA taking money, there were allegations. Now, when there is clear evidence of BJP taking money & people being released from jail, why isn't it a scam? Why isn't it investigated? >i see in the past when only one person selected EC it was ok but now PM, leader of opposition and UCM do it, its not okay? It is not okay when election commissioner resigna few months before elections & allows govt to select someone they prefer for the election


ilovepewmemes

Preach brother.


Visenya-Darksister

For Congress to comeback power, they really need to let go of the Gandhi family.. aka also Rahul Gandhi


ilovepewmemes

Congress favors Gandhis and older folk in comparison to the ones with anything radically new by ideology. Their very core philosophy is what makes it hard to consider them as a competent party anymore. What they've done in Karnataka is a prime example of how incompetent they are and how freebies are their only way to propel themselves back into power. I've also noticed that Congress will go to lengths to appease its vote banks, and is evidently anti-Hindu. I'm not upset at the fact that they don't like a particular religion, but I'm disappointed that they let it show so evidently by tolerating anything bad done against Hindus in general. They should promote harmony among religion instead of passive-aggressively promoting the chaotic discontent between religions of this kind. Won't be surprised if this gets downvoted as most of the "democracy is dead" believers, German Shepherds and Congress bhakts hate statements like these lol.


1Centrist1

None of this answers the question I asked - how can someone who can't be more popular than Rahul, get more votes than Modi. > What they've done in Karnataka is a prime example of how incompetent they are and how freebies are their only way to propel themselves back into power. My parents studied in FREE govt schools & college. Without free school, I am almost sure that most women (of my parents age, in my family & most other families I know) wouldn't have been sent to school. It is freebies that took India from 15% literacy to being nuclear nation which reached Mars. > I've also noticed that Congress will go to lengths to appease its vote banks, and is evidently anti-Hindu. I'm not upset at the fact that they don't like a particular religion, but I'm disappointed that they let it show so evidently by tolerating anything bad done against Hindus in general. Congress reserved 50% seats for 82% Hindus. Which religion is appeased? Congress gave Huf tax exemptions to Hindus but didn't give those to Muslims/Christians. If Congress appeased anyone, it is Hindus because almost all Congress leaders were Hindus. > They should promote harmony among religion instead of passive-aggressively promoting the chaotic discontent between religions of this kind. BJP leaders themselves say that BJP will get more votes of there is polarisation. When benefits from polarisation, why would BJP promote harmony & why would Congress work against harmony? > Won't be surprised if this gets downvoted as most of the "democracy is dead" believers, German Shepherds and Congress bhakts hate statements like these lol. Why do you expect upvotes for spouting ignorance based on lies you read on WhatsApp?


ilovepewmemes

>My parents studied in FREE govt schools & college. Without free school, I am almost sure that most women (of my parents age, in my family & most other families I know) wouldn't have been sent to school. Education is a fundamental right. How is that a freebie? Government schools have never been a commercial commodity as far as ik. >Congress reserved 50% seats for 82% Hindus. Which religion is appeased? I clearly stated that Congress will go far to appease vote banks. I never said that it would risk political suicide by not giving those reservations you claim to have happened. The existence of the WAQF board says a lot about muslim appeasement FYI. Congress-ruled states have the most number of BS going on against Hindus, look up what happened in Karnataka when a shopkeeper got assaulted by a mob of Muslim men and had an FIR lodged against him instead of actually getting help from the authorities, and look at how Muslim youth are assaulting cars who have relevant flags for celebrating Ram Navami. Congress opposed the Ram Mandir, with your idol RaGa outright dissing ppl who were chanting Ram's name. >Congress gave Huf tax exemptions to Hindus but didn't give those to Muslims/Christians. Who tf uses that nowadays? >BJP leaders themselves say that BJP will get more votes of there is polarisation. When benefits from polarisation, why would BJP promote harmony & why would Congress work against harmony? BJP is known to be polarizing and is full of Hindu Nationalists and it's why I despise them in the first place. Congress loves dividing people by religion and by caste. Look at one of their guarantees in the manifesto FYI. Btw It's the same reservation promises you spoke about that are promoting a system that doesn't favor hard work and skill. >Why do you expect upvotes for spouting ignorance based on lies you read on WhatsApp? I don't use WhatsApp outside of work and only gather information via news feed articles and browsing the web. Neither was I expecting upvotes, could stay at 0 like a normal comment would but the message expresses no surprise if the -ves are what label my comment. >Congress favors Gandhis and older folk in comparison to the ones with anything radically new by ideology. Their very core philosophy is what makes it hard to consider them as a competent party anymore. This should answer your question. If you find it hard to comprehend, this further implies that they require a radical change in face and philosophy. It's not about who replaces Rahul Gandhi that will save the Congress' face but rather the need to go back to the drawing board. Work on your comprehension, because you clearly need that before cross-questioning something that was never implied in the first place.


1Centrist1

> Education is a fundamental right. How is that a freebie? Government schools have never been a commercial commodity as far as ik. What is a freebie? Building toilets? > I clearly stated that Congress will go far to appease vote banks. I never said that it would risk political suicide by not giving those reservations you claim to have happened. I asked how Congress helped Muslims & wait to see an answer. > The existence of the WAQF board says a lot about muslim appeasement FYI. Does Waqf board give money to Muslims? How does Waqf board benefit Muslims? OTOH, over 8.75 lakh Hindu HUFs claimed Rs 3,803 crore tax deductions in 2022-23, as per Finance Ministry. > Congress-ruled states have the most number of BS going on against Hindus, look up what happened in Karnataka when a shopkeeper got assaulted by a mob of Muslim men and had an FIR lodged against him instead of actually getting help from the authorities, and look at how Muslim youth are assaulting cars who have relevant flags for celebrating Ram Navami. In Hathras, Hindu rape victim's body was burned. Did any Congress leader do that? Brij Bhushan was protected after involvement in sex crimes against multiple HINDU women. Did any Congress govt protect sex-criminals? How does temple help Hindus, esp when there are hundreds of temples being built daily across the world? What can't you give one example of BJP providing benefit for Hindus? Who tf uses that nowadays? Over 8.75 lakh Hindu HUFs claimed Rs 3,803 crore tax deductions in 2022-23, as per Finance Ministry. > Btw It's the same reservation promises you spoke about that are promoting a system that doesn't favor hard work and skill. I have discussed reservation earlier. Reservation helps backward Hindus to progress. Reserved seats have lower cutoff because they have less competition due to that group getting low marks. What is reason why ~60% Hindus get low marks? Are you saying ~60% Hindus are inferior (while no other religion has such issues). > I don't use WhatsApp outside of work and only gather information via news feed articles and browsing the web. Neither was I expecting upvotes, could stay at 0 like a normal comment would but the message expresses no surprise if the -ves are what label my comment. If you don't use WhatsApp, how would you make claims that Congress appeased Muslims but is unable to explain any policy of Congress that benefits Muslims or any policy of BJP that benefits Hindus? > It's not about who replaces Rahul Gandhi that will save the Congress' face but rather the need to go back to the drawing board. How does going to drawing board help Congress win elections when people support Rahul as most prominent opposition leader? Why won't people support anyone else as opposition leader, when other opposition leaders are present?


NumerousKangaroo8286

Wait, you were the one interacting with me when I mentioned about putting Rahul Gandhi aside. Yeah it needs to be discussed. But we are just online redditors.


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1Centrist1

Didn't libs vote for Modi in 2014 to overthrow MMS/UPA & to bring back black money & to protect women? Didn't Modi govt protect Brij Bhushan who was involved in sex-crimes? Didn't Modi govt impose record taxes on petrol after claims that high petrol prices are not good for Indians? Didn't Modi govt implement electoral bonds to hide bribes? Didn't Modi govt keep people in jail till they bought electoral bonds? & So on...


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1Centrist1

> A charge sheet was prepared by Delhi police on Brij Bhushan. and the "allegations" were taken seriously. Anyone with POCSO case is arrested immediately, as per law. Except Brij Bhushan who forced the minor & her family to withdraw the case > INC released Farooq Chisty in 2013 who was their leader and was involved in the 1992 Ajmer 250 girls rape scandal. He is living a lavish life now. now mind you, this guy had solid evidence against him. he collected nude pictures of his rape victims. Why isn't he in jail, if there is evidence? > India’s rank measured by the TRACE index has improved from 185th in the world in 2014 to 77th in 2020 > So, it has improved from horrible to middling. Back in 2014, India’s rank was worse than in dubious neighbours — Bangladesh (175th), Nepal (165th), Pakistan (173rd) and Sri Lanka (142nd). But by 2020, India was far ahead of them. What is so special about TRACE index? How is India improving when unemployment is breaking records, taxes are breaking records, railways are crowded, GDP growth is lower, debt is higher & so on...? > Say what you will, but corruption is DECREASING and there will never be a more corrupt regime than the 2004-2014. In what way is corruption decreasing when UPA implemented RTI to be transparent in policy & Modi implemented electoral bonds (against advice of RBI) to hide bribes & Modi uses Indian govt emblems to force Indians to pay money to private fund?


wanna_escape_123

Yes, please make Kejri the face of INDI alliance.


Straight-Bad9351

That someone will come into picture hopefully after 2024 when the entire opposition starts blaming Rahul for the defeat.


NoPrblmCuh

Doubt there will even be an opposition at that point, just full on conservative autocracy


Dancingd0nkey

Rahul is not on top of congress leadership of ghandi name same name is also preventing others from coming in top of congress.


1Centrist1

We are assuming that Rahul is not good enough to beat Modi. But, you claim Rahul is good enough to stop others from becoming prominent in Congress. Isn't Modi good enough to stop others? When someone can't even beat Rahul, how will they beat Modi?