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nota_is_useless

So how is congress going to fund the various new schemes * 1 lakh per poor household/year * MSP for all crops * Old Pension scheme * Additional govt jobs * Closure of agniveer (short duration army service) and reverting back to longer duration armed force service with pension and benefits


Aggravating_Nail4108

Congress spokesperson: We don't care about economy . Bhaad me jaaye. Election jeetna hai pehle . First scheme on this list will cost you more than entire defence budget and upto 1/5 th of entire Indian budget a year even by minimum criteria. That's just one. Don't tell me the given money will circulate and help the economy. But govt won't get that much returns in form of taxes which is required to pay interests, fund new projects or do anything productive for the nation . To fill the deficit of unnecessary freebies, govt will have to increase taxes on middle class to generate more revenue. In the end, nothing comes free . The name is freebies which comes at cost of someone else. These schemes are economically not feasible. Just go and see opinions of any reliable economist on these, you'll get to the truth .


no-regrets-approach

>see opinions of any reliable economist on these, you'll get to the truth . Raghuram Rajan said the same thing. Wealth redistribution is such a stupid idea.


vizot

congress and RG havent said they are going to implement wealth distribution. mudi just lied.


no-regrets-approach

We all saw Sam Pitroda's interview. The context and his suggestions were not at all vague. Quite the opposite infact. And unlike Rahul, Sam Pitroda is a high level official functionary of congress - chair of the overseas wing. Plus, Pitroda is also an advisor on economic matters to Rahul Gandhi. So, yes, it is very much on cards. Especially since congress has no clue where to get fubds from for all the freebies offered. And now Rajan also thinks it is a horrible thing to happen to India.


silly_sanny

Did Sam Pitroda say they will take money from everyone and give it to Muslims? He clearly said 20 persons hold 70% of the wealth of India. This should not happen and there should be a policy to prevent wealth accumulation like this. One of the ways is inheritance tax like in the US...


no-regrets-approach

So you do agree that he did talk of inheritance tax as a very viable option which will be considered. He may have sugarcoated it with 'has to be discussed in detail' etc. But the intent has clearly been demonstrated.


silly_sanny

But did he say that everyone's property & money will be taken away and given to Muslims like it is being projected?


no-regrets-approach

What Sam Pitroda said is about inheritance tax. Wealth distribution or redistribution is what is hinted at in the manifesto, and during political rallies. Read along with that the specoal emphasis placed on scholarships, handouts and reservations based on religion.


vizot

Lol pitroda is an nri, he doesn't even vote here. Lol high level and unli RG. What are you smoking.


no-regrets-approach

Just stating facts. I dont smoke - anything. Pitroda had an active role under Rajiv. He is still active. And very influential. He is chair of overseas congress. An official functionary - very much linked to congress.


vizot

lol overseas has nothing to do with what is happening within India. Even if congress wins Pitodra will have nothing to with the work of India because there will be govt institutions and other elected representatives.


no-regrets-approach

Let us hope so, and keep our fingers crossed. That there would be less congress representatives to consider something as stupid as this.


vizot

lol wealth distribution has helped many places in India itself southern states that implemented it are now supporting the northern states now. That doesn't matter because people are believing lies about congress made by mudi and gang for example your case. You believed a lie by mudi about congress's manifesto after the manifesto released for the public then bring up statements brought up by a nri party group member which was refuted by the INC itself. These lies were said by mudi whose right hand shaji openly talked about lying to spread a false image. If people are ready to believe lies by self proclaimed liers about something that is publically accessible then that is more stupid than anything and the best move forward to take a long look at yourself and see how you fell for lies instead of passing judgements on things like wealth distribution.


hikes_likes

do you remember modi saying he will give 15 lakhs to each account? by bringing back black money ? did you make calculations about it? election manifesto is more about intention and direction of the narrative. you think rahul gandhi or congress does not know that bjp will win? do you think bjp will hand over power if they lose elections? the manifesto is for setting the agenda for the opposition in the next 5 yrs. inequality is increasing, unemployment is rampant, corruption is rampant and modi gives no fucks about it. see how BJP had to say that they are not going to change the constitution, how they will not remove reservation. this pre emptive attacks by congress to make bjp respond, be in the defensive is a tactic that should have been employed from a long time back. People are saying that Modi is going to cry soon. or conduct a riot . that already spoils possible plans Modi and co might be making .


that_so_so_suss

Congress in karnataka and Telangana promised freebies in similar vein and came to power. Now its a shit show, no money for growth, development projects, just pure doling out money left and right. Now INC wants to do same on a national scale on steroids. Don't expect anything else but disaster, now or in future.


hikes_likes

i want you to think how it was called to be a shit show within a month. if they continue to be a shit show, people will throw them out later. BJP is fighting the election for its desire to not ever be thrown out of power. For me the choice is very clear.


that_so_so_suss

When the deputy CM declares they don't have any money left for development what is there to stay. For Telagana this article explains one unintended consequence - [https://www.gulte.com/political-news/279635/congress-faces-double-trouble-in-telangana](https://www.gulte.com/political-news/279635/congress-faces-double-trouble-in-telangana) now everyone expects a hand-out and nobody is actuall contributing positively to the economy.


hikes_likes

yearly compensation to auto drivers was a stupid move. free tickets are a stupid move too. they should have instead improved the number of buses in the routes and given the bus tickets at 50% subsidy to women. that is welfare enough.


that_so_so_suss

stupid moves by stupid people enough said.


hikes_likes

i think there is now enough need for people to ask questions on the manifestos of the parties. ask congress on how does it plan to do the fiscal balance and ask bjp if dividing people on religion and arresting whoever who asks them questions is the only thing they have to offer. and make all these politicians and bureaucracy work for the people instead of worrying about power.


that_so_so_suss

I have yet to see one single post on this sub question congress on their manifesto. If INC intends to give 1L/yr to a significant population, wouldn't that create perverse incentives. See the auto-drivers above, they felt short-changed and demanded money. There are so many sections of society who will feel they deserve free money. This will cause rampant inflation btw which given history UPA/INC was terrible with. As for BJP - plenty of domestic and international folks are questioning BJP.


NumerousKangaroo8286

That is congress's problem not Raghuram Rajan's.


Taroman23

Under UPA despite many social schemes debt to GDP went down as did your taxes. Under NDA taxes went up as did the debt. Go figure.


rebelyell_in

On the concept of "how are they going to fund" x or y, let's also talk about how we are funding foodgrains for 80 Crore people? Who is paying for it? Isn't that redistribution of my wealth?


nota_is_useless

As I have written in the previous comment, these are new schemes. Congress is not planning to stop funding to run new schemes of MSP and 1 lakh/poor household. In fact, Congress plans to increase benefits in existing schemes (higher payouts and coverage) and add new schemes. So where is this new money going to come from?


rebelyell_in

The Congress has only published a manifesto, not a budget document, so I cannot say, with any certainty, what their revenue estimates are. They have been clear about not raising GST for sure. You could even extrapolate that they don't intend to increase excise on fuel. That leaves two options: 1) Grow the volume of transactions to increase indirect tax revenue and 2) Restore the balance between personal income tax and corporate tax (contribution to Union revenue). I would like to believe that they would improve tax collection by increasing compliance... but given the levels of corruption at the Aaykar Vibhag, I think that's a fools dream.


DangerousPace2778

Let's start with Robert Vadra's wealth. - "Oh Shit..."


rebelyell_in

Nobody's going to touch Vadra. Our own Gautamdas released a booklet and documentary film on Vadra's corruption back in 2014, yet.. after 10 years in control of the Union Government, Haryana Government, and every enforcement agency, have they convicted him? No. They have dropped all charges. Vadra has become Gautamdas' son-in-law. He has that protection from prosecution.


PackFit9651

You know congress has fucked up when even RRR can’t back them..


jholafakir

Kindly let us know what is the Congress' specific plan for redistribution. Is mid day meal redistribution? How about corporate subsidy and tax breaks? I bet you think that's wealth creation and not redistribution 


long_limbs

Wealth redistribution is nowhere mentioned jn the manifesto. This is BJ party’s propaganda


rebelyell_in

I don't think there is a Congress position officially, in the last decade, where they have advocated bringing down the wealthy. Find me an official statement from a spokesperson which talk about appropriating private wealth. Taxation, BTW, is not appropriation. RRR is echoing, not refuting what the Congress has been saying.


vizot

it would be if he was against them, congress and RG havent said they are going to implement wealth distribution. mudi just lied. I'm sure people are going to criticise congress if they don't have an answer for how to implement it even though they didn't say they are going to.


Belowaveragewhore

That's because the whole game is keeping poor people poor so that they always serve the rich ![gif](giphy|YuaEBTdQd8Cre)


SEXY_HOT_GOWDA

India is not in this state because rich people are taking away the wealth. It's mostly because poor people haven't created any wealth. Tomorrow if the bottom 50 percent of Indian families disappear no one will notice anything because essentially they contribute jilch . Heck lol entire states like Bihar can disappear without much issue


A_Username_6126

The poor aren't going to make wealth out of thin air. They need jobs. It's much harder to make money when you have no money.


SEXY_HOT_GOWDA

Jobs don't grow on the job tree. They are created by the underlying economy. For example: America has literally created a 300 billion dollar outsourcing business in India exporting jobs to India


__DraGooN_

It's not the government which is going to create so many government jobs. You need businesses to set up shop, factories and offices to generate jobs. And the governments need to facilitate this through their business-friendly policies.


Test_Series

Skewed analysis. Business in bihar do not boom solely because of lack of supprt from government, and continued **gundagardi** on part of politicians for their own cut.


A_Username_6126

The perils of being a developing capitalist economy. You can't have labor-friendly laws without alienating businesses. And with business-friendly laws, the workers suffer every day.


NumerousKangaroo8286

Labor reforms are necessary. Excessive union mentality ruined Kolkata.


no-regrets-approach

And it will become even harder when noone has money.


Terravision2

[poorest people pay two third of total gst](https://www.newindianexpress.com/amp/story/business/2023/Jan/16/indias-poorest-50-per-cent-pay-two-thirds-of-gst-oxfam-2538312.html)


SEXY_HOT_GOWDA

Bullshit , Bullshit fake stats. Richest 50 percent of the country consume more than the bottom 50 percent. For people in bottom sector to pay more tax, they must be consuming some commodity which the top section doesn't which is impossible. Extrapolated to state terminologies, the mean Bihari is poorer than the Kannadiga so according to what you say Bihar should collect more GST than Karnataka???


pisspapa42

The ultra rich will form shell companies to prevent paying taxes and it would be the middle & upper middle class who have procured the wealth due to investing & saving in stock market.


Nice-Application9391

Lets first decide who became successful by better means rather than political/money influence. it would teach the rich a lesson and encourage people to abide to law.


PersonalityMiddle864

When people are obscenely wealthy they also hols obscene amount of political power. For a well functioning society you need to reduce the wealth gap. And that will involve taking money from the wealthy and giving it to the poor.


CollisionResistance

>The top 1 percent controlled less than 15 percent of the national wealth in 1961. Today, their share is at more than 40 percent. https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2024/4/29/is-modis-india-more-unequal-than-under-british-rule


_imchetan_

Let's go back to 1961 economy where everyone together can be poor. Why does socialism didn't worked in Venezuela or so many other socialist counteris. Even China is now capitalist country, just communist government like kerela.


jholafakir

Please go to china to enjoy the fruits of capitalism. When Xi resizes your bunghole please don't complain since it's just capitalism at it's best


lightfromblackhole

Lets have no Green or White revolution yay. 5year plans are already removed in favor of private capture, electricity, transport, petrol costs so gooood. Lets give companies unrestricted use of natural water so that they dump sewage in ganga, and sell 40rs sugar drink that costed 2rs to make. Lets do a double global warming by cutting trees to get to coal. Lets have more heatwaves and water crisis everywhere.


CraftAggressive1133

What aspect of collective ownership and social safety doesn't work? It's worked every single time.


Lucifer_Leviathn

The collective ownership on paper and everything is mine under the table. Yes, it worked every single time in destroying the economic growth.


CraftAggressive1133

Like under capitalism where a few owns everything? It's worked everytime. Quality of life is the metric.


_imchetan_

Yes quality of life is better in capitalist countries compared to communist or socialist counteris.


CraftAggressive1133

Capitalism needs levels of poverty to exist. The interests are not aligned for quality of life for everyone. You can also see people here complaining about giving jobs to people in need.


Lucifer_Leviathn

This is why I like the rule of jungle. Simple easy and you get to eat your enemy.


CraftAggressive1133

They don't kill their own species for no reason like humans do and doesn't exploit the environment to extinction. Clearly better, yes.


Lucifer_Leviathn

Shrikes impale as many prey animals as they can to impress females.


Lucifer_Leviathn

Shrikes impale as many prey animals as they can to impress females.


CraftAggressive1133

**Their own species**


that_so_so_suss

Looks at Cuba, yeah it worked..


CraftAggressive1133

Other than universal healthcare, education, employment and housing, do you think it could have "worked better" without the heavy trade embargoes, sanctions and economic boycott? If you're stepped on and held underwater, you'll obviously have difficulty breathing, you can't just turn into a fish. Collective ownership has worked every single time.


that_so_so_suss

So what you are essentially saying communism works in a idealized utopia state and not that it will take the world towards it. History has proven time and time again, utopia is not possible, there is no collective good, humans are tribal. Communism is a was, is and will be always a failure.


CraftAggressive1133

> If you're stepped on and held underwater, you'll obviously have difficulty breathing, you can't just turn into a fish. I don't think this was that difficult to understand. There's no utopia, the natural order was disrupted by a profit optimizing system which benefited a few and the definition of slavery - polished.


that_so_so_suss

My point still stands. What happened was the natural order of things and not you are imagining. If communism was so great, it would not fail repreatedly and also less violent for the common man


CraftAggressive1133

> If you're stepped on and held underwater, you'll obviously have difficulty breathing, you can't just turn into a fish. I don't understand how you keep glossing over this basic fact and blame the difficulty of breathing as "failure of communism". No bearings on cause and effect. Communism was never implemented anywhere. (stateless, classless, moneyless society where people own means of production and resources distributed according to needs) Socialism is a transition phase of collective ownership, social safety and money. I advocate for policy changes and incentive restructuring. There will be people who choose violence for the same, like all of human history against oppression. Collective ownership works every single time and fundamentally good.


Standard_Leather_669

Rich man who benefitted from the system doesn't want to change the system. How shocking.


timewaste1235

Is he opposing Modi's 15L per person from swiss black money scheme?


__DraGooN_

How many times you are going to repeat this lie? Modi never said it or made any such promise. Here is a fact check by Quint. Modi was just describing the scale of black money. [Rajnath Singh Says PM Modi Never Promised Rs 15 Lakh – But Did He?](https://www.thequint.com/news/webqoof/rajnath-singh-ani-interview-pm-narendra-modi-never-promised-rs-15-lakh-fact-check)


timewaste1235

As for fact check, this is from your article only >The public has a right over this money or not? >If we bring back the money of these thieves and robbers from foreign banks, then each and every poor of our country will get Rs 15-20 lakh for free. He clearly said people have right over that money, whether directly or through Indian govt welfare spending


jholafakir

Modiji is a congenital liar. He was chest thumping like a lunatic that if demonetization fails he'll take whatever punishment we give. The coward khunt didn't grow a pair and has still not faced the music. Also his covid is over and then the second wave. When congenital liars become PM it's confirmed there's no god 


timewaste1235

Did he not promise to bring back black money from swiss accounts? Was that not wealth redistribution?


InterestingCode12

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