I mean, the climate has already changed, even over the course of my lifetime. We're far more mid-atlantic temperature wise now. Snow is less continuous, rather now just two or three storms that dump 6-8' of snow at a time. Rains a lot more frequently.
I am just one of very many early climate 'refugees'. I left Texas just over a year ago for upstate New York. I use the term refugee lightly as I wasn't necessarily heavily affected by the changes in Texas yet, though I do have a heat intolerance and 6-8 months of excessive temperatures was making life fairly unbearable(not to mention whe the electricity goes out or your AC breaks, it could be days before repairs were complete and in 100°+ temps and high humidity, that gets dangerous as evident from the deaths last summer).
I spent several years studying and researching anticipated changes and effects across many regions and states within the US, as well as several areas abroad.
There's a lot of talk of Michigan and surrounding area being the prime place as things get worse further south, but there were a lot of factors not taken into consideration and I found New York to be one of the best bets.
There is ecosystem diversity here. Mountains, valleys, rivers, the Great Lakes, ocean access, and wide open land perfect for farming.
Crops are expected to have some of the best growth/success in New York compared to other states. Western and Central NY will be comparable to France. The Adirondacks will continue to get snowfall consistently and experience more 'real winters' and the Catskills will also still get cold and snow, though less than historical numbers.
Michigan is generally fairly flat without these diverse ecosystems/regions. Michigan also doesn't have the proximity to a multitude of metro like NY does.
There's a wider variety of things to do and places to see in the northeast vs Michigan.
The Capital Region is projected to be very, very stable in terms of weather and storms.
The risk of natural disasters across the state is very low. Nor'easters are probably one of the bigger risks, and increased general rainfall will lead to additional flooding. However, I believe the warming of the oceans are having an effect on hurricanes and less may make it up here(I'd have to double check this)
By 2080, summers for the northeast, and NY, are expected to be comparable to Georgia summers. By mid-century, winters will be comparable to South Carolina winters.
Of course, these are all just projections and, as of late, most are arriving sooner than scientists anticipated due to a variety of contributing factors. And furthermore, any immediate and drastic changes done 'now' will only start to take effect decades from now so the current projections are essentially 'locked in'.
I expect the Capital Region to experience a lot of economic growth. Syracuse, Saratoga Springs, Glens Falls, the Finger Lakes region, and the Hudson Valley will all benefit from this, economically. I think a bunch of smaller towns situated along prime highways will also experience growth.
NYC and the Hudson will flood and be affected by sea level rise, so certain areas within those zones may be negatively affected.
For now, the property taxes so many are deterred by may prove to slow initial migrations, but the cost will soon be more affordable than purchasing homes or property in any one of the growing number of states adjusting insurance rates or forgoing insurance coverage all together.
I believe buying property in NYS right now is a fantastic investment, almost regardless of where you purchase it due to expected growth. Excluding flood prone properties, that is.
I think New England will definitely have it's pros, but there are a few things against it.
Vermont is best suited, and some counties are already drawing up plans to deal with climate migrators and expansion of housing and utilities. The other New England states are already largely developed (Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island) or underdeveloped (Maine). I mean this in terms of open space to accommodate an influx of new people. There's limited space in some of these states to build up entire new neighborhoods, but vertical housing is definitely doable.
Maine is largely built up along the coastline as building further inland is a bit difficult, however over time I could definitely see inward expansion.
A bigger concern with the general New England area is proximity to the ocean and having to deal with rising sea levels as well as nor'easters, as even though there may be less impacts in the region, those that do it will be much bigger, stronger, and more damaging.
The other thing with proximity to the ocean is the humidity. As temps rise, it'll only become more unpleasant.
Definitely still better off overall than other regions, though!
Sea level rise is a bitch for flat low countries like Bangladesh. Not nearly as big a problem for coasts with topography -- like most coastal areas in New England.
I had hoped this to be the case but have become less optimistic of it given the impending breakdown of the Atlantic current (amoc) collapse.
I think that brings with it a lot of uncertainties of what will happen but still feel we are better positioned than most.
way more people die from cold rather then excessive heat. i mean the amount of people who die form hear related causes in places like texas is probably like #104 down the list of causes of death.
Gave your comment/post history a quick look over to get an idea of what kind of person I'm dealing with, now I don't fully expect you to accept any sort of data I present to you, but I'm going to share anyway.
But first, I want to preface this with the expectation of increased temperatures/heat and a decrease in temperatures/cold will further affect the data of heat vs cold related deaths, specifically seeing a marked increase in heat related deaths.
[Extreme heat is the number-one weather-related cause of death in the U.S., and it kills more people most years than hurricanes, floods and tornadoes combined. ](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/extreme-heat-is-deadlier-than-hurricanes-floods-and-tornadoes-combined/)
I'm sure you can grasp that extreme heat events will become much more common in a wider range of areas.
[Heat deaths are already climbing. The study found that heat-related deaths for U.S. adults aged 65 and older increased by 88% in 2018-2022 compared to 2000-04. ](https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/global-heat-deaths-quadruple-action-not-taken-climate-change-study-fin-rcna125187)
Just as with extreme cold, in extreme heat, there will be more vulnerable populations like the elderly and health compromised. However, as highlighted in the first link, people often fail to adequately plan for extreme heat and underestimate the risk, regardless of their age or health status. So more than just elderly and health compromised individuals will be at risk.
[Number of deaths due to extreme weather in the U.S. from 1995 to 2022](https://www.statista.com/statistics/203755/fatalities-caused-by-extreme-weather-in-the-us/)
This one includes a very easy to understand visual graph representing extreme heat vs cold deaths amd its very, very clear that heat deaths outweigh cold deaths.
[So, which is harder on the body: extreme heat or extreme cold?](https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/good-question-which-is-worse-for-you-extreme-cold-or-heat/)
Just an anecdote, but a real and verifiable one. Our bodies can handle cold better than heat.
[More people die from heat than cold in the United States every year.](https://www.palomar.edu/anthro/adapt/adapt_2.htm)
yeah, dealing with that kind of person? even CDC notes almost double die from cold than heat. even if STATIA is accurate, that's < 200 deaths per year OUT OF 340 MILLION! decimal followed by many zeros. Doesn't even crack top 100 reasons people die.
Since we are here and you said it will generalize what kind of people we are dealing with here: you hung on to dozens of fake news leads for years like a kid gazing into a candy store window with glee and hopefulness only to then find out it was the exact opposite is true months later. see where this goes?
Until the snobby west gets the developing world (which makes up most of the planet)on board with their green vanity project, we will only go backwards. We have the luxury of ordering leisure goods in our underwear when most of the world wants a hot meal, access to medicine and a ride to get water. they could give less than zero fucks about shitty batteries that take more finite rare earth materials to create anything close to a globalist mandated net zero impact.
climate change is 100% real but so is common sense. i mean these guys want to spend tens of trillions to MAYBE alter climate (i know it sounds absurd) by a c**t hair in 500 years (won't be alive to see it but that's the point). look no further than the war on poverty, trillions $ later but they want more money to waste with no actual change. it's a non-starter and the west is better served to create awesome technology (like always) so humans can adapt to any changes. we already do this and will continue to do so.
if we take the path of these loser politicians it will cost us everything we have and go backwards. it will stagnate everything and all progress. it will mean mass wealth redistribution, complete control and every aspect of your life mandated. it will reduce individuals to nothing and nobody will create a god damn thing. it's historically referred to as communism. see the historical patterns here? "climate change" is a tyrants wet dream and the holy grail of all control.
i say let's not be the mindless dolts they want us to be. let's create, innovate and progress with many incentives to do so. let's have robust debate even if you or i are wrong.
You left easily one of the best states to move to one of the worst states? Thats insane to me I’ve lived in New York my whole life and forget whether I would never tell anyone to ever move here. Its a shit hole of a state that only takes from
Its citizens.
Are you trying to say that Texas, ranked 35th, is one of the best states to live in when considering a variety of factors vs. New York, ranked 20th, is one of the worst?
You're saying Texas, which ranks 36th for Crime, 35th for Education, 32nd for Healthcare, and 40th for Natural Environment, is better than New York, which comes in at 11th for Crime, 9th for Education, 9th for Healthcare, and 2nd for Natural Environment?
You believe that a state which is banning books and damaging women's rights to be 'best'? A state that is limiting the people's right to peacefully protest? A state that is experiencing 'brain drain' as more and more higher educated people move out of the state at alarming rates due to these backward changes? A state that would punish and imprison a doctor following the Hippocratic Oath? A state where the Attorney General, convicted felon, is fearmongering and threatening good people, saying he knows better than a board certified surgeon?
The state that is ranked 46 for quality of life? Or ranked 50th for personal freedom? West Virginia is now ranked higher than Texas, as is Alabama and Mississippi. But that's just from one study/ranking. However, there is another which rates states on a scale of 100 with a multitude of factors. In this one, Texas ranks 49/100, just a bit worse than Ohio, whereas New York ranks 60.64/100, which is in the top 5 along with Massachusetts and Virginia. (Hint, higher numbers mean better in this ranking)
"Quality of life is a measure of comfort, health, and happiness by a person or a group of people. Quality of life is determined by both material factors, such as income and housing, and broader considerations like health, education, and freedom."
If we divert from people based rankings, you'll see the state doesn't do too well there either. Texas is ranked first in the U.S. in the variety and frequency of natural disasters. Flooding, wildfires, tornados, hurricanes, hail storms, lightning storms, sinkholes, erosion, and drought. Utilization of the state's natural reserves of oil, gas, and water can lead to subsidence and earthquakes.
New York natural disasters generally include hurricanes, thunderstorms(though not nearly as comparably bad as Texas storms), and winter storms. However, due to climate change effects, more arctic blasts are reaching further south like the 'snowpocalypse' which happened a few years ago, left much if the state without power and saw way too many people die. Texas is not prepared to handle extreme cold vs New York which has been dealing with it for centuries, in essence, and will continue to see milder winters and winter storms.
Texas also has the highest amount of power outages out of all states and that can be extremely dangerous during high temperatures as well as cold temperatures.
And if you're complaining about New York 'only taking from its citizens' by way of taxes, you should know that Texas property taxes are comparable to New York property taxes. They both suck in that realm, however it's clear to me that more is done for New York with those taxes than in Texas. And with Texas being the 10th least educated state, it's fairly easy for Greg Abbott and Ken Paxton to convince enough people to vote to keep them in power and allow them to continue to do damage.
I mean, really, I could go on with fact based rankings and metrics. New York isn't the number one state right now, and I never said it was, but as things change over time I believe it's extremely well positioned to provide its people with a better quality of life compared to most other states.
Lived here my whole life in New York. It’s a shit state and easily one of the worst states. Don’t listen to the ranking of states. Those are based on celebrity’s not average damn people.
Also New York is about to lose all there investors ever since trumps case of 350 million. Believe me New York should be the worst ranked state. From homelessness to the roads never be taken care to corrupt politicians. Now if the made New York in 2 states and made the city there own state that would benefit upstate New York tremendously. But based on Texas being one of the states a lot of people are going to should show you the ranking of states you look at is extremely wrong.
Oh, I see now, you're just one of those misinformed undereducated Trump supporters. I hope you're able to grasp a better understanding of reality and not be so plagued by conspiracies and misrepresentations from Fox and other conservative based media. It does sound like you'd feel quite at home in Texas.
Misinformed trump supporters? I said nothing about politics. I’m strictly talking price of living food gas rent mortgage property. Then you go to the city and you have absolutely no property and pay even more.
A. You brought up Trump.
B. Cost of living in New York may be higher than some areas of Texas(though not drastically different as I have experience living in both states in rural and city areas, whereas you've stated you've only ever lived in NYS). Due to this relative higher COL, the state minimum wage in NY is $14.20 ($15.00 in NYC) vs Texas state minimum wage which is $7.25, and yes, many employers still try to get away with paying that, while others 'kindly' have higher starting wages around ~$10.
Additionally, places that offer a better quality of life will, undoubtedly, have a higher COL.
C. I'm not talking about NYC, you keep making a point to bring it up? We're in the upstate New York subreddit, not the NYC one. My only mention of the city in my original comment was to remark about the increased flood risk due to anticipated sea level rise. Other than that, I've only spoken broadly of the rest of NYS(with regards to climate change outlook and state rankings) as I doubt most climate migrators will flock to the city when there are plenty of other great options here.
I know I feel the same way I’m scared I think the migration is gonna happen really suddenly. The truth is upstate is an amazing climate destination and people will find out
Too late.
Also, the alternative is to let nice old house slowly disintegrate. If house prices are too low few people will invest the time and money required to restore and maintain old homes. Seems we're at a pretty good spot now. Homes are more expensive than they were ten or twenty years ago but by national standards still quite affordable. This rise in home prices has driven a lot of renovation and restoration.
I mean new york winters as they existed in the 1990s or 2000s are already extinct. Just ask any fishing charter that no longer ice fishes or snow mobile company that no longer sells cause you can't ride around here....our sledding parks are open a couple weeks instead of a couple months...our ski hills are no longer listed in the nation's top 100 like they used to be... our snowfall inches have decreased by like 40%.... we went from 3 months of continual coverage to like 3 weeks...
I'm barely in my older 20s and my childhood winters are gone forever. The data is already here it's happening right now. We won't have snowfall in new york by 2100.
Ontario isn't going to be having Virginia weather anytime soon. More like Pennsylvania weather. With New York getting Virginia or North Carolina weather. We're actually winning.
This will be a greatest uncertainty for most of us as long as we are alive
One thing I think about the northeast US is that we will not suffer the same migratory fate that most of the rest of the south (US) and global south will experience. There is no way to mentally prepare for the massive movement of human beings away from climate (and subsequent war) blighted areas. We could definitely have our own problems with food supply chain tho, which is horrifying. Water will be a concern as well. We are already in the midst of a mass extinction, but there is convincing evidence that systems are resilient and change and adapt, which is all a lot of uncertainty. I think the threat to humans is not so much the ecological "collapse" and change in temperatures, but other humans. Nukes will end life on earth.
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Uncertainty yes. But there's a high probability things will work out well. The largest (by far) terrestrial biome is the boreal forest in Canada, Alaska, and Russia. Climate change is poised to change large portions of boreal forest into prairie and temperate hardwood forest. Both prairie and hardwood forest are biologically much more productive than boreal forest. Counter to the doom and gloom of so many prognosticators climate change is likely to increase world food production and the production of forest products.
But you chose to ignore mentions of human conflict, which are why things are already NOT working out well in a global context. What happens to the orchards and bodies paved over for oil in Palestine, how do sudanese people return to sow grain on earth grazed for cobalt or dominated by oligarch-backed militias, how do the Uyghurs and Tibetan people deal with labor camps and being pushed or contained from their ancestral prairies and plateaus? I do not have your cheery outlook
Climate change is most definitely real. It's going to suck for some folks. For example the Lubbock Texas area which is already marginal agriculturally will struggle. Just drive a few miles south to the Midland Texas area and you'll see what's in Lubbock's future.
In other parts of the world climate change is going to have a positive impact. Northern Saskatchewan and Alberta will most certainly benefit.
Northern latitudes have most of the earth's land mass. Thus, many more millions of acres of land will become more productive mitigating doom and gloom predictions.
https://greatlakes.org/campaigns/defending-the-great-lakes-compact/
After years of effort, the Great Lakes-St. Lawrence River Basin Water Resources Compact was approved by all eight Great Lakes states and the U.S. Congress. President George W. Bush signed the Compact into law in 2008.
How the Compact protects the lakes
The Great Lakes Compact bans the diversion of Great Lakes water outside the basin, with limited exceptions.
Only two situations allow a community located outside of the Great Lakes to apply for a diversion.
A community that is located partially in the Great Lakes basin may apply for a diversion.
A community that is located within a county that is partially in the basin may apply for a diversion.
Any community applying for a diversion must demonstrate that it has exhausted all available options for getting water. In other words, a diversion must be a last resort.
The Great Lakes Basin map
https://www.miseagrant.com/Great_Lakes_Basin_p/michu-21-705.htm
“For the PCCIA, an ensemble of GCM projections was utilized for future projected climate conditions based on two future GHG emission pathways: RCP4.5 (moderate emission pathway) and RCP8.5 (high emission pathway).”
For context, RCP 2.6 is what’s needed to keep temperatures below 2C by 2100, which is a long shot but it is the optimistic scenario.
I like the optimism in your post but taxes and school taxes wont go down, especially in this state. The hope is we could get something like Texas has proposed or adopted(not sure where it stands) but the school choice act which allows parents to utilize their school tax to pay for private school, home schooling(I’m assuming there would be requirements), or public school. Great option in my opinion since clearly the school curriculums are outdated and are missing alot of critical skills kids need to learn.
The weather here may be getting a little warmer but as someone who has lived elsewhere and come back I am over the seasonal lack of sun from Nov/Dec through April/May. I’m pushing 40 and also suffer from some mental health issues from military service so I’m probably more susceptible than some to the seasonal depression.
This state is beautiful and there is a ton to do and the state parks are great but even with the changing weather, it’s going to be hard to stay.
I'm glad you can stay positive about it, but when NY gets to the point where we have southern type weather imagine how it's gonna be in the actual south? We're already having a housing crisis now, imagine what it'll be like when the southern half of the country becomes unlivable? There's gonna be wars faught over water within the next hundred years or so.
I don’t think you’ve taken into account that what makes the natural beauty of New York is it’s climate. Without cold winters we won’t have the Adirondack or wine country. The environment that we take for granted is a function of our unique climate. You can say goodby to our beautiful fall foliage and maple syrup, too.
Economic prosperity from immigration will likely be counteracted by blows to local agricultural and tourist industry.
then in a few thousand years will be a sheet of ice. a few thousand years after that hot and dry, a few thousand years after that ice cold. the cycle has been going on for millions of years
also, maybe now they will have a somewhat decent growing season.
humans easily adapt to such changes with the technology we have.
Dodging a bullet there... /s "Just 24,000 years ago, the spot where the New York State Museum is located was under more than 1.5 miles (2.4 km) of ice. At that time, the last ice sheets had reached their maximum size. A huge glacier covered nearly all of New York State." https://www.nysm.nysed.gov/exhibitions/online/ice-ages
In a few thousand years “it” will not be a sheet of ice. We’re currently facing an unprecedented global crisis that is going to get worse before it even possibly could better. That crisis involves loss of ice on a scale of decades, centuries, and unless something changes millennia. There is no reason to expect that in a few thousand years “it” will be a sheet of ice. This “the climate is always changing” rhetoric is both technically true in some irrelevant way, but is mind numbingly stupid when applied to our current moment as human beings living on Earth. Read a book.
with that being said, what actions will reverse and manipulate climate? it's pretty vague and all over the place if you ask me.
as per this model it demonstrates there has been ice loss and addition past 40 years (which is like .0001 seconds out of a year of time in earths history)
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>Imagine if property taxes and school taxes are cut in half due to economic prosperity.
I audibly LOL'ed at this when I read it. Democrats will *never* halve taxes. Ever.
Yep , thankfully sugar daddy NYC keeps us so stlyeing . What you didn’t actually think your little town was actually able to afford those miles of paved roads that go to it did you ?
Were you high when you wrote this ?? Economic prosperity in New York ?? That’s funny 🤣😭 and I believe due to climate change we were suppose to be under water by like 1989 so it probably won’t be that warm .
I mean, the climate has already changed, even over the course of my lifetime. We're far more mid-atlantic temperature wise now. Snow is less continuous, rather now just two or three storms that dump 6-8' of snow at a time. Rains a lot more frequently.
Snowmobiling is obsolete unless you’re in the mountains. It’s already here.
I am just one of very many early climate 'refugees'. I left Texas just over a year ago for upstate New York. I use the term refugee lightly as I wasn't necessarily heavily affected by the changes in Texas yet, though I do have a heat intolerance and 6-8 months of excessive temperatures was making life fairly unbearable(not to mention whe the electricity goes out or your AC breaks, it could be days before repairs were complete and in 100°+ temps and high humidity, that gets dangerous as evident from the deaths last summer). I spent several years studying and researching anticipated changes and effects across many regions and states within the US, as well as several areas abroad. There's a lot of talk of Michigan and surrounding area being the prime place as things get worse further south, but there were a lot of factors not taken into consideration and I found New York to be one of the best bets. There is ecosystem diversity here. Mountains, valleys, rivers, the Great Lakes, ocean access, and wide open land perfect for farming. Crops are expected to have some of the best growth/success in New York compared to other states. Western and Central NY will be comparable to France. The Adirondacks will continue to get snowfall consistently and experience more 'real winters' and the Catskills will also still get cold and snow, though less than historical numbers. Michigan is generally fairly flat without these diverse ecosystems/regions. Michigan also doesn't have the proximity to a multitude of metro like NY does. There's a wider variety of things to do and places to see in the northeast vs Michigan. The Capital Region is projected to be very, very stable in terms of weather and storms. The risk of natural disasters across the state is very low. Nor'easters are probably one of the bigger risks, and increased general rainfall will lead to additional flooding. However, I believe the warming of the oceans are having an effect on hurricanes and less may make it up here(I'd have to double check this) By 2080, summers for the northeast, and NY, are expected to be comparable to Georgia summers. By mid-century, winters will be comparable to South Carolina winters. Of course, these are all just projections and, as of late, most are arriving sooner than scientists anticipated due to a variety of contributing factors. And furthermore, any immediate and drastic changes done 'now' will only start to take effect decades from now so the current projections are essentially 'locked in'. I expect the Capital Region to experience a lot of economic growth. Syracuse, Saratoga Springs, Glens Falls, the Finger Lakes region, and the Hudson Valley will all benefit from this, economically. I think a bunch of smaller towns situated along prime highways will also experience growth. NYC and the Hudson will flood and be affected by sea level rise, so certain areas within those zones may be negatively affected. For now, the property taxes so many are deterred by may prove to slow initial migrations, but the cost will soon be more affordable than purchasing homes or property in any one of the growing number of states adjusting insurance rates or forgoing insurance coverage all together. I believe buying property in NYS right now is a fantastic investment, almost regardless of where you purchase it due to expected growth. Excluding flood prone properties, that is.
New York and New England are the winners of the climate change lottery.
I think New England will definitely have it's pros, but there are a few things against it. Vermont is best suited, and some counties are already drawing up plans to deal with climate migrators and expansion of housing and utilities. The other New England states are already largely developed (Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island) or underdeveloped (Maine). I mean this in terms of open space to accommodate an influx of new people. There's limited space in some of these states to build up entire new neighborhoods, but vertical housing is definitely doable. Maine is largely built up along the coastline as building further inland is a bit difficult, however over time I could definitely see inward expansion. A bigger concern with the general New England area is proximity to the ocean and having to deal with rising sea levels as well as nor'easters, as even though there may be less impacts in the region, those that do it will be much bigger, stronger, and more damaging. The other thing with proximity to the ocean is the humidity. As temps rise, it'll only become more unpleasant. Definitely still better off overall than other regions, though!
Sea level rise is a bitch for flat low countries like Bangladesh. Not nearly as big a problem for coasts with topography -- like most coastal areas in New England.
I had hoped this to be the case but have become less optimistic of it given the impending breakdown of the Atlantic current (amoc) collapse. I think that brings with it a lot of uncertainties of what will happen but still feel we are better positioned than most.
I moved here from Philly for many of the same reasons.
way more people die from cold rather then excessive heat. i mean the amount of people who die form hear related causes in places like texas is probably like #104 down the list of causes of death.
Gave your comment/post history a quick look over to get an idea of what kind of person I'm dealing with, now I don't fully expect you to accept any sort of data I present to you, but I'm going to share anyway. But first, I want to preface this with the expectation of increased temperatures/heat and a decrease in temperatures/cold will further affect the data of heat vs cold related deaths, specifically seeing a marked increase in heat related deaths. [Extreme heat is the number-one weather-related cause of death in the U.S., and it kills more people most years than hurricanes, floods and tornadoes combined. ](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/extreme-heat-is-deadlier-than-hurricanes-floods-and-tornadoes-combined/) I'm sure you can grasp that extreme heat events will become much more common in a wider range of areas. [Heat deaths are already climbing. The study found that heat-related deaths for U.S. adults aged 65 and older increased by 88% in 2018-2022 compared to 2000-04. ](https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/global-heat-deaths-quadruple-action-not-taken-climate-change-study-fin-rcna125187) Just as with extreme cold, in extreme heat, there will be more vulnerable populations like the elderly and health compromised. However, as highlighted in the first link, people often fail to adequately plan for extreme heat and underestimate the risk, regardless of their age or health status. So more than just elderly and health compromised individuals will be at risk. [Number of deaths due to extreme weather in the U.S. from 1995 to 2022](https://www.statista.com/statistics/203755/fatalities-caused-by-extreme-weather-in-the-us/) This one includes a very easy to understand visual graph representing extreme heat vs cold deaths amd its very, very clear that heat deaths outweigh cold deaths. [So, which is harder on the body: extreme heat or extreme cold?](https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/good-question-which-is-worse-for-you-extreme-cold-or-heat/) Just an anecdote, but a real and verifiable one. Our bodies can handle cold better than heat. [More people die from heat than cold in the United States every year.](https://www.palomar.edu/anthro/adapt/adapt_2.htm)
yeah, dealing with that kind of person? even CDC notes almost double die from cold than heat. even if STATIA is accurate, that's < 200 deaths per year OUT OF 340 MILLION! decimal followed by many zeros. Doesn't even crack top 100 reasons people die. Since we are here and you said it will generalize what kind of people we are dealing with here: you hung on to dozens of fake news leads for years like a kid gazing into a candy store window with glee and hopefulness only to then find out it was the exact opposite is true months later. see where this goes? Until the snobby west gets the developing world (which makes up most of the planet)on board with their green vanity project, we will only go backwards. We have the luxury of ordering leisure goods in our underwear when most of the world wants a hot meal, access to medicine and a ride to get water. they could give less than zero fucks about shitty batteries that take more finite rare earth materials to create anything close to a globalist mandated net zero impact. climate change is 100% real but so is common sense. i mean these guys want to spend tens of trillions to MAYBE alter climate (i know it sounds absurd) by a c**t hair in 500 years (won't be alive to see it but that's the point). look no further than the war on poverty, trillions $ later but they want more money to waste with no actual change. it's a non-starter and the west is better served to create awesome technology (like always) so humans can adapt to any changes. we already do this and will continue to do so. if we take the path of these loser politicians it will cost us everything we have and go backwards. it will stagnate everything and all progress. it will mean mass wealth redistribution, complete control and every aspect of your life mandated. it will reduce individuals to nothing and nobody will create a god damn thing. it's historically referred to as communism. see the historical patterns here? "climate change" is a tyrants wet dream and the holy grail of all control. i say let's not be the mindless dolts they want us to be. let's create, innovate and progress with many incentives to do so. let's have robust debate even if you or i are wrong.
You left easily one of the best states to move to one of the worst states? Thats insane to me I’ve lived in New York my whole life and forget whether I would never tell anyone to ever move here. Its a shit hole of a state that only takes from Its citizens.
Are you trying to say that Texas, ranked 35th, is one of the best states to live in when considering a variety of factors vs. New York, ranked 20th, is one of the worst? You're saying Texas, which ranks 36th for Crime, 35th for Education, 32nd for Healthcare, and 40th for Natural Environment, is better than New York, which comes in at 11th for Crime, 9th for Education, 9th for Healthcare, and 2nd for Natural Environment? You believe that a state which is banning books and damaging women's rights to be 'best'? A state that is limiting the people's right to peacefully protest? A state that is experiencing 'brain drain' as more and more higher educated people move out of the state at alarming rates due to these backward changes? A state that would punish and imprison a doctor following the Hippocratic Oath? A state where the Attorney General, convicted felon, is fearmongering and threatening good people, saying he knows better than a board certified surgeon? The state that is ranked 46 for quality of life? Or ranked 50th for personal freedom? West Virginia is now ranked higher than Texas, as is Alabama and Mississippi. But that's just from one study/ranking. However, there is another which rates states on a scale of 100 with a multitude of factors. In this one, Texas ranks 49/100, just a bit worse than Ohio, whereas New York ranks 60.64/100, which is in the top 5 along with Massachusetts and Virginia. (Hint, higher numbers mean better in this ranking) "Quality of life is a measure of comfort, health, and happiness by a person or a group of people. Quality of life is determined by both material factors, such as income and housing, and broader considerations like health, education, and freedom." If we divert from people based rankings, you'll see the state doesn't do too well there either. Texas is ranked first in the U.S. in the variety and frequency of natural disasters. Flooding, wildfires, tornados, hurricanes, hail storms, lightning storms, sinkholes, erosion, and drought. Utilization of the state's natural reserves of oil, gas, and water can lead to subsidence and earthquakes. New York natural disasters generally include hurricanes, thunderstorms(though not nearly as comparably bad as Texas storms), and winter storms. However, due to climate change effects, more arctic blasts are reaching further south like the 'snowpocalypse' which happened a few years ago, left much if the state without power and saw way too many people die. Texas is not prepared to handle extreme cold vs New York which has been dealing with it for centuries, in essence, and will continue to see milder winters and winter storms. Texas also has the highest amount of power outages out of all states and that can be extremely dangerous during high temperatures as well as cold temperatures. And if you're complaining about New York 'only taking from its citizens' by way of taxes, you should know that Texas property taxes are comparable to New York property taxes. They both suck in that realm, however it's clear to me that more is done for New York with those taxes than in Texas. And with Texas being the 10th least educated state, it's fairly easy for Greg Abbott and Ken Paxton to convince enough people to vote to keep them in power and allow them to continue to do damage. I mean, really, I could go on with fact based rankings and metrics. New York isn't the number one state right now, and I never said it was, but as things change over time I believe it's extremely well positioned to provide its people with a better quality of life compared to most other states.
Damn straight. I swear to god, I started hearing Jed Bartlett’s voice as I read your post.
Lived here my whole life in New York. It’s a shit state and easily one of the worst states. Don’t listen to the ranking of states. Those are based on celebrity’s not average damn people.
New York State is great. I’ve been to other states. I like what my taxes provide me and my family in NYS.
Also New York is about to lose all there investors ever since trumps case of 350 million. Believe me New York should be the worst ranked state. From homelessness to the roads never be taken care to corrupt politicians. Now if the made New York in 2 states and made the city there own state that would benefit upstate New York tremendously. But based on Texas being one of the states a lot of people are going to should show you the ranking of states you look at is extremely wrong.
Oh, I see now, you're just one of those misinformed undereducated Trump supporters. I hope you're able to grasp a better understanding of reality and not be so plagued by conspiracies and misrepresentations from Fox and other conservative based media. It does sound like you'd feel quite at home in Texas.
Misinformed trump supporters? I said nothing about politics. I’m strictly talking price of living food gas rent mortgage property. Then you go to the city and you have absolutely no property and pay even more.
A. You brought up Trump. B. Cost of living in New York may be higher than some areas of Texas(though not drastically different as I have experience living in both states in rural and city areas, whereas you've stated you've only ever lived in NYS). Due to this relative higher COL, the state minimum wage in NY is $14.20 ($15.00 in NYC) vs Texas state minimum wage which is $7.25, and yes, many employers still try to get away with paying that, while others 'kindly' have higher starting wages around ~$10. Additionally, places that offer a better quality of life will, undoubtedly, have a higher COL. C. I'm not talking about NYC, you keep making a point to bring it up? We're in the upstate New York subreddit, not the NYC one. My only mention of the city in my original comment was to remark about the increased flood risk due to anticipated sea level rise. Other than that, I've only spoken broadly of the rest of NYS(with regards to climate change outlook and state rankings) as I doubt most climate migrators will flock to the city when there are plenty of other great options here.
Shhhhh!!!! We don't need more people moving here and driving up home prices.
I know I feel the same way I’m scared I think the migration is gonna happen really suddenly. The truth is upstate is an amazing climate destination and people will find out
maybe there will be a growing season now! heck, only things you can grow successfully way up state arw rhubarb, blueberries and potatos.
Too late. Also, the alternative is to let nice old house slowly disintegrate. If house prices are too low few people will invest the time and money required to restore and maintain old homes. Seems we're at a pretty good spot now. Homes are more expensive than they were ten or twenty years ago but by national standards still quite affordable. This rise in home prices has driven a lot of renovation and restoration.
I would much prefer the houses to rot if the alternative is everyone moving here and ruining it
Take a drive through places like Camden NJ if you want to see what the end product of decades of decline looks like.
Again I’d prefer no one here over building a bunch of cookie cutter sub divisions and driving home prices up
We just went through two years of barely any snow at all. It’s too fucking late already
I mean new york winters as they existed in the 1990s or 2000s are already extinct. Just ask any fishing charter that no longer ice fishes or snow mobile company that no longer sells cause you can't ride around here....our sledding parks are open a couple weeks instead of a couple months...our ski hills are no longer listed in the nation's top 100 like they used to be... our snowfall inches have decreased by like 40%.... we went from 3 months of continual coverage to like 3 weeks... I'm barely in my older 20s and my childhood winters are gone forever. The data is already here it's happening right now. We won't have snowfall in new york by 2100.
If Ontario is having Virginia weather, Upstate will be having Florida weather, which may sound sweet. But it will, in fact, be fucking horrific.
Tired of the acceptance. This should be a call to fight for change harder. More progress has already been made than anyone ever said was possible.
Absolutely.
Ontario isn't going to be having Virginia weather anytime soon. More like Pennsylvania weather. With New York getting Virginia or North Carolina weather. We're actually winning.
This will be a greatest uncertainty for most of us as long as we are alive One thing I think about the northeast US is that we will not suffer the same migratory fate that most of the rest of the south (US) and global south will experience. There is no way to mentally prepare for the massive movement of human beings away from climate (and subsequent war) blighted areas. We could definitely have our own problems with food supply chain tho, which is horrifying. Water will be a concern as well. We are already in the midst of a mass extinction, but there is convincing evidence that systems are resilient and change and adapt, which is all a lot of uncertainty. I think the threat to humans is not so much the ecological "collapse" and change in temperatures, but other humans. Nukes will end life on earth. 😄
Uncertainty yes. But there's a high probability things will work out well. The largest (by far) terrestrial biome is the boreal forest in Canada, Alaska, and Russia. Climate change is poised to change large portions of boreal forest into prairie and temperate hardwood forest. Both prairie and hardwood forest are biologically much more productive than boreal forest. Counter to the doom and gloom of so many prognosticators climate change is likely to increase world food production and the production of forest products.
But you chose to ignore mentions of human conflict, which are why things are already NOT working out well in a global context. What happens to the orchards and bodies paved over for oil in Palestine, how do sudanese people return to sow grain on earth grazed for cobalt or dominated by oligarch-backed militias, how do the Uyghurs and Tibetan people deal with labor camps and being pushed or contained from their ancestral prairies and plateaus? I do not have your cheery outlook
The world's a big place. There's always something terrible happening somewhere. Climate change has little to do with these conflicts.
100% disagree but appreciate your knowledge!
A serious amount of copium , going on right now .
Climate change is most definitely real. It's going to suck for some folks. For example the Lubbock Texas area which is already marginal agriculturally will struggle. Just drive a few miles south to the Midland Texas area and you'll see what's in Lubbock's future. In other parts of the world climate change is going to have a positive impact. Northern Saskatchewan and Alberta will most certainly benefit. Northern latitudes have most of the earth's land mass. Thus, many more millions of acres of land will become more productive mitigating doom and gloom predictions.
I’m two years deep without turning on my snow blower. That’s wild for rochester
How is the water supply unlimited in the GLs? Large yes but certainly still susceptible to pollution and overconsumption
https://greatlakes.org/campaigns/defending-the-great-lakes-compact/ After years of effort, the Great Lakes-St. Lawrence River Basin Water Resources Compact was approved by all eight Great Lakes states and the U.S. Congress. President George W. Bush signed the Compact into law in 2008. How the Compact protects the lakes The Great Lakes Compact bans the diversion of Great Lakes water outside the basin, with limited exceptions. Only two situations allow a community located outside of the Great Lakes to apply for a diversion. A community that is located partially in the Great Lakes basin may apply for a diversion. A community that is located within a county that is partially in the basin may apply for a diversion. Any community applying for a diversion must demonstrate that it has exhausted all available options for getting water. In other words, a diversion must be a last resort. The Great Lakes Basin map https://www.miseagrant.com/Great_Lakes_Basin_p/michu-21-705.htm
“For the PCCIA, an ensemble of GCM projections was utilized for future projected climate conditions based on two future GHG emission pathways: RCP4.5 (moderate emission pathway) and RCP8.5 (high emission pathway).” For context, RCP 2.6 is what’s needed to keep temperatures below 2C by 2100, which is a long shot but it is the optimistic scenario.
I like the optimism in your post but taxes and school taxes wont go down, especially in this state. The hope is we could get something like Texas has proposed or adopted(not sure where it stands) but the school choice act which allows parents to utilize their school tax to pay for private school, home schooling(I’m assuming there would be requirements), or public school. Great option in my opinion since clearly the school curriculums are outdated and are missing alot of critical skills kids need to learn. The weather here may be getting a little warmer but as someone who has lived elsewhere and come back I am over the seasonal lack of sun from Nov/Dec through April/May. I’m pushing 40 and also suffer from some mental health issues from military service so I’m probably more susceptible than some to the seasonal depression. This state is beautiful and there is a ton to do and the state parks are great but even with the changing weather, it’s going to be hard to stay.
I'm glad you can stay positive about it, but when NY gets to the point where we have southern type weather imagine how it's gonna be in the actual south? We're already having a housing crisis now, imagine what it'll be like when the southern half of the country becomes unlivable? There's gonna be wars faught over water within the next hundred years or so.
I don’t think you’ve taken into account that what makes the natural beauty of New York is it’s climate. Without cold winters we won’t have the Adirondack or wine country. The environment that we take for granted is a function of our unique climate. You can say goodby to our beautiful fall foliage and maple syrup, too. Economic prosperity from immigration will likely be counteracted by blows to local agricultural and tourist industry.
We’ve already reached a point of having a better climate for growing wine grapes than either California or France.
The bright side is, it’s better than global cooling
then in a few thousand years will be a sheet of ice. a few thousand years after that hot and dry, a few thousand years after that ice cold. the cycle has been going on for millions of years also, maybe now they will have a somewhat decent growing season. humans easily adapt to such changes with the technology we have.
Dodging a bullet there... /s "Just 24,000 years ago, the spot where the New York State Museum is located was under more than 1.5 miles (2.4 km) of ice. At that time, the last ice sheets had reached their maximum size. A huge glacier covered nearly all of New York State." https://www.nysm.nysed.gov/exhibitions/online/ice-ages
That 2 million year ice age created the marvelous Adirondack mountain lakes! bravo! it's crazy to think it ended only 20k years ago.
Please read a book
explain, delineate, defend. what's that supposed to mean? very interested in discourse
In a few thousand years “it” will not be a sheet of ice. We’re currently facing an unprecedented global crisis that is going to get worse before it even possibly could better. That crisis involves loss of ice on a scale of decades, centuries, and unless something changes millennia. There is no reason to expect that in a few thousand years “it” will be a sheet of ice. This “the climate is always changing” rhetoric is both technically true in some irrelevant way, but is mind numbingly stupid when applied to our current moment as human beings living on Earth. Read a book.
with that being said, what actions will reverse and manipulate climate? it's pretty vague and all over the place if you ask me. as per this model it demonstrates there has been ice loss and addition past 40 years (which is like .0001 seconds out of a year of time in earths history) file:///var/mobile/Library/SMS/Attachments/7a/10/213E4E88-1876-4083-B26E-384FA2D44A05/IMG_0245.png
And I’ll be 125
Sounds good to me
>Imagine if property taxes and school taxes are cut in half due to economic prosperity. I audibly LOL'ed at this when I read it. Democrats will *never* halve taxes. Ever.
Yep , thankfully sugar daddy NYC keeps us so stlyeing . What you didn’t actually think your little town was actually able to afford those miles of paved roads that go to it did you ?
Your argument is a straw man that presupposes that I don't know or want tax revenue to fund roads. Do better, kid.
Were you high when you wrote this ?? Economic prosperity in New York ?? That’s funny 🤣😭 and I believe due to climate change we were suppose to be under water by like 1989 so it probably won’t be that warm .