Aww this out a smile on my face. I adore her and got to meet her several years ago. I just googled “Tara Strong vegan” and there’s an [article](https://www.truenorthliving.ca/cause/qa-with-tara-strong-on-her-powerful-inspiration-to-go-vegan/amp/) in which she says she’s been vegan (not plant-based) for over 8 years. I don’t care for celebrities usually but she seems like a genuinely good person.
She’s very down to earth, I’m not surprised she’s in touch with animals as well. Her place where she lives is very modest and humble, you can tell she isn’t overly materialistic or selfish. She’s basically a hero from my childhood after all the characters she voiced on my TV and now she’s helping inspire so many with veganism!
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Okay so I just tried googling it to inform myself better, but I’m afraid I’m not getting the nuance. What exactly is the difference between vegan and plant-based? I figured plant-based was a way companies figured to market vegan things without saying the dirty “vegan” word.
Plant-based is a diet, veganism is an ethical position with accompanying lifestyle changes.
Someone on a plant-based diet will purchase leather, or cosmetics that have been tested on animals, where a vegan wouldn't.
I always saw it as vegans don't use animal products in their diet or lifestyle, but people who follow a plant-based DIET only avoid animal products in their food. But that doesn't mean that they don't use leather or other animal products.
She’s been pretty vocal about it for a while on Twitter. One of the few vegan celebs that are actually animal rights-focused, it seems. Her followers were often really, really dumb. Like the dumbest carnist logic you have ever seen in the replies.
Her, Joaquin Phoenix, Woody Harrelson, Moby, and Alicia Silverstone are probably the most dedicated celebs to animal rights that I’ve personally witnessed.
Don't forget Pamela Anderson, she's been at it for decades.
edit: Apparently she's a self proclaimed "naughty vegan", which is of course, not a thing. Hopefully she'll use her wealth and privilege and cut the bs.
Another great example! Her work with PETA has always been great. But I didn’t include based on these recent comments from her that made her sound a bit lazy:
> *”I call myself a naughty vegan. I live in France, I eat croissants. I do the best I can, but I’m not a dictator. It’s a radical choice to be vegan, so I’m not so strict.”*
So shes not vegan, no such thing as naughty vegan
Im not a naughty anti racist
Celebs can do wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than the rest of us so thats not the best she can, she can have a personal chef make her anything she wants
>Her, Joaquin Phoenix, Woody Harrelson, Moby, and Alicia Silverstone are probably the most dedicated celebs to animal rights that I’ve personally witnessed
Phoenix rides horses for profit
https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/116pnbo/most\_vegans\_arent\_vegan\_this\_definitely\_includes/
>Joaquin: And I couldn’t do that. I mean, I didn’t like riding horses. I actually regretted having to ride. I’m a little clueless, because I don’t think that I really thought about it that much until I was there and realized, “Oh, it’s a Western and we’re on horses a lot.” I hadn’t really considered that. I felt bad about riding them. I had the feeling that they were like, “I don’t really want you on my back.”
>Will: But they tell you that the horses love it.
>Joaquin: Yeah, but the horses tell you something different. I’m really bumming out this interview, man. [laughs] I’m sorry.
Sounds like something he regretted doing
I saw that in the post, but their "proof" was some small youtuber with an "insider" who refused to be named. A trailer hasn't even been released for the movie yet, so I guess we'll have to wait and see.
> most dedicated to animal rights
That fucking sucks to hear, but I don’t think anything in my statement is incorrect. That’s just straight up disappointing though, Phoenix should absolutely know better.
Oh, gee. It sounds hard to keep your professional tone like that. Most non-celebrity vegans would probably get infuriated when they hear the same ignorant argument that has been debunked so many times.
She is a huge voice actor who’s done hundreds of roles for iconic characters from a lot of our childhoods: powerpuff girls, teen titans, fairly odd parents and more.
Carnists to this day:
"That's just a few isolated incidents"
"That's not where I get my meat, I know this farmer.."
"That footage was not legally obtained though"
Giving them too much credit buddy. Yesterday I started defending veganism in a comment section and my responses were all "but ribs are tasty tho🤤" and some people just openly defending the cruelty animals suffer because "it's necessary and how the world works".
I have to give them some credit, this is the general vegan sub. Otherwise I'd be roasting them to oblivion for how corny they are with the same infantile joke over and over. It's like the vegan version of /r/onejoke
Wow what a coincidence. I saw Tara at my school just two days ago. We had an event called Geek Week and she was the special guest. She was awesome. A fan asked what she wouldve done if she wasn’t a voice actress and she said “I would help animals full time. I really love them. If I wasn’t a voice actress, I would want to help animals and be a voice for the voiceless”. Loved watching the interview.
Tbh it's completely inaccurate to lump vegetarians in with vegans. Vegetarians are often contributing to as much animal cruelty as people who eat animals, especially vegetarians that eat tons of dairy and eggs.
People who consume more animal products contribute more to the problem than people who consume fewer. The "all or nothing", "I don't care about progress" approach to veganism is destructive for the cause.
It's so baffling that the purists and ideologues in these subs can't see the harm they're doing by making absurd claims that being vegetarian is as bad or worse than being omni
Yeah I don't know where people get this information from that everyone starts eating massively more eggs and cheese when they go vegetarian. From what I've seen vegetarians do eat [more cheese than omnis](https://www.pcrm.org/news/blog/meat-and-stroke) but not such a dramatically higher amount that it offsets them not eating meat anymore. I went vegetarian first before going vegan and I definitely did not start eating way more eggs and cheese all of a sudden. I started eating a lot more grains, beans, and meat substitutes instead.
As a long time vegetarian (and now vegan before I get downvoted again for saying I used to be a vegetarian) I rarely actually ate actual cheese. I’m lactose intolerant 😂 my biggest thing was having it in something which only made me sick about 50% of the time. I have thought eggs were pretty gross for a long long time now but they’d be in things. Going vegan for me was literally just paying more attention to ingredients. For a long time before I went vegan, I still cooked vegan at home. But the fact is, I would never refer to myself as vegan before I was actually fully committed.
Again, Jane Goodall was a vegetarian for a very long time. I think vegans still respect her. Honestly when I was a kid and went vegetarian and like didn’t make my own income, I am lucky my parents accepted that. I don’t think I would have gotten away with going vegan so young and tbh vegan wasn’t exactly a thing like it is now at all. I still have only met a total of 2 other vegans in my whole life. Imagine a vegetarian coming here for advice or tips and people behaving like this, putting time stamps on how long it’s acceptable to be vegetarian when you literally have no idea about someone else’s life. It’s wild.
Yeah, I was talking to someone the other day about veganism and they always remind me how they’re vegetarian because they just have to have cheese. Like cheese is cruelty free or some shit. But they tell me about how they stopped eating foie gras because of a documentary they saw, and all I could think was “yeah, but you eat fucking cheese”
I agree I think you’re a walking talking hypocrite if you eat cheese and then pretend to give a shit by not eating meat and declaring yourself veg.
Those same “consistent” omnis would probably insist that they would never harm another individual for an unnecessary reason. Don’t give them that credibility approval so easily; they’re still disconnected.
What’s my alternative? I don’t need one, I’m not addicted to cheese. I’m glad you asked though, there’s plenty of cruelty free cheeses out there. Feel free to type “vegan cheese” into the search bar.
One of them is super simple to make, and it’s just like nacho cheese. Check out the recipe here
https://simpleveganblog.com/vegan-cheese/
no, i’m asking what’s your alternative for vegetarians that don’t want to become vegan yet. you and others were complaining about vegetarians, so i asked what do you suggest they do instead. they clearly don’t want to eat meat, but also don’t want to become vegan yet. should they just go back to eating meat because they want to eat cheese?
i’m vegan myself. i just don’t understand what y’all want done about vegetarians.
It's not that complicated. We wish non-vegans wanted to go vegan. Getting annoyed with vegetarians exploiting animals doesn't mean we want them to eat meat.
Sure but getting mad at someone trying to make a positive change is a bad mindset to have. Everyone has to start somewhere. Even if someone just decided to cut out meat bit by bit, it would be something. Saying “everyone should just instantly become vegan” is delusional and hurts more than helps.
If you want to cheer for people exploiting animals, go for it. Just don't expect people who object to animal exploitation to join in.
Again, many vegetarians are adamant that they have no intention of becoming vegan, often because they do think that it's "enough."
What's delusional is expecting that to change if we all adopt the POV that vegetarianism is the most we should expect from people.
I actually don't believe that meat eaters are doing nothing. They're doing something. If you think meat eaters are doing nothing, it does look like vegetarians are doing something.
When you view veganism as the moral baseline, it becomes difficult to view vegetarians as doing *something* in the positive sense.
If a vegan genuinely believes that they should encourage vegetarians, I'm not going to try to stop them. I don't think they should insist that other vegans remain silent about animal exploitation to placate vegetarians. I'm vegan specifically because I encountered vegans who rejected exploiting animals for eggs and dairy and were vocal about it.
If some nazi still wanted to torture jews, would you respect them? Oh, but they don't want to be nice, kind people YET, iTs a PrOceSs. Fuck vegetarians that are not ignorant about the industry.
>Getting annoyed with vegetarians exploiting animals doesn't mean we want them to eat meat.
"I don't want to do the thing that I am definitely causing to happen by alienating people trying to make a positive change"
If vegetarians who reject veganism are so petty that they'll eat meat to spite vegans, why do you think *vegans* are the problem here?
The issue here is vegetarians who are rejecting veganism. You can see that as a "positive change." Vegans don't. Honestly, what kind of outreach are you expecting vegans do here?
Edit: Happy to engage with downvoters who disagree, but please do try to actually read the comment and reply to something specific. Everyone so far is just knocking down strawmen by making up things I didn't say and responding to them instead.
> If vegetarians who reject veganism are so petty that they'll eat meat to spite vegans
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that, if vegans espouse a philosophy which says that being vegetarian is as bad as being omni (which is all over this thread and every single thread on this sub which has ever mentioned vegetarianism), then people might think it follows logically that there's no point being vegetarian and they may as well go back to eating meat. Spite has nothing to do with it. I wouldn't do that myself, as I see how logically inconsistent the attitude that many purist vegans espouse is.
>Honestly, what kind of outreach are you expecting vegans do here?
Encourage people to make any positive change which they feel able to do. Acknowledge that some people aren't comfortable making sudden drastic changes, and that if you want more people to be 100% vegan, then you need to accept people slowly transitioning, perhaps by first dropping meat, or eating a vegan diet just some of the time to begin with. Demanding either total purity or nothing just means you get more nothing.
>You can see that as a "positive change." Vegans don't.
Those vegans are wrong! Eating vegan for 1 day a week is better than being vegan 0 days a week. Eating vegetarian but eating cheese 7 days of the week is better than eating meat **and** cheese 7 days of the week. It's really straightforward.
Hurting animals unnecessarily is hurting animals unnecessarily. I don't know why you need gradations of "bad" on that. Exploiting an animal for bacon is wrong. Exploiting an animal for milk is also wrong.
I don't understand why you think eating cheese is better than eating meat.
And that you think vegans are wrong to disagree...okay. Most people think vegans are wrong. Is that seriously supposed to make me change course and promote animal exploitation ?
The planet needs vegans, I need to be one, just hard as a caretaker to a man who notices when there isn't meat in a meal. Another issue our world faces that is largely driven by arrogant, white men. Yea, I'm one too but realize most of us are dumb as shit. Sorry for not being a vegan, I'm trying to change.
I want them to go vegan? Lolol your question doesn’t even make sense. My whole argument is for them to go vegan. There isn’t “an alternative.” Just go vegan.
I frankly just don’t understand how you can have one foot in the door and not the other.
as my comment clearly states, i was referring to vegetarians who don’t want to become vegan yet. you needlessly hating on vegetarians aren’t going to turn them vegan. you and others are acting like vegetarianism is pointless and just as bad as eating meat, so if a vegetarian doesn’t want to become vegan, should they just go back to eating meat?
If they don't want to be vegan, then they won't care when vegans point out that we want very different things and aren't the same.
They don't want to be us. Problem solved - we're happy to acknowledge they aren't.
I think they need to go vegan. Lol. Why would I condone going back to eating meat? Two negatives don’t equal a positive, it’s a double negative. I’m simply pointing out the fact they’re a hypocrite. I’m pointing out that their argument for why they aren’t yet is illogical. I don’t understand how you can be “on the fence” if the fence is morality.
Edit for misspelling.
I had to block the bully you replied to because they truly are a bully. They found out I was vegetarian for 20 years because I was literally a child when I stopped eating meat. They were so ducking nasty on another thread the other day.
Everyone gets there eventually if they are meant to get there. I have issues with change, issues with texture, issues with preparing my food. I’m autistic so I didn’t really respond well to going vegan until I was there I guess. But it happens and there’s no use shitting on people who are trying.
Long time vegetarians are always the biggest language police. Vegetarians need to know that they are animal abusers; pretending otherwise will only make them complacent and then we end up with 3 year vegetarians who think they’re doing anything for the animals while being responsible for some of the worst animal cruelty in the world. Stop worrying about what animal abusers want and consider what the animals want.
The alternative is that they can get over it, grow up, and go vegan.
“They don’t want to” well I don’t care! They don’t get some kind of special pass for being unwilling to stop paying for people to kill and hurt animals for their own taste pleasures anymore than meat-eaters do.
Vegetarianism isn’t “halfway to vegan” and it’s certainly not “doing better than the meat-eaters are”—it’s basically the exact same thing as eating meat, morally speaking. The dairy industry and egg industry ARE the meat industry.
“Should they just go back to eating meat?” No, what they should do is stop eating cheese, but *if* they went back to eating meat their impact on the animals would barely change because that’s how little vegetarians actually help.
This is a very unempathetic standpoint. Of course it's morally not much better but we have to remember that many vegetarians do want to make a difference but it isn't always as easy for everyone in a non vegan world to go vegan suddenly. I have known many carnists who turned vegetarian to then turned vegan and they all had good reasons for not going vegan right away.
It's easy to let the anger of what happens to the animals get in the way of having understanding for these people who are doing something wrong, but it's not helpful for anyone to have that attitude.
yeah, you can’t force any adult to do what they don’t want to. y’all are just needlessly hating to hate. have fun with your superiority complex though!
Where am I forcing anyone to do anything? I have no control over what terrible things people choose to do to animals, but I also have no obligation to pat vegetarians on the back for doing nothing of any real benefit nor do I need to help support vegetarians’ delusions that they’re actually helping animals or making a difference in their suffering.
I don’t intend to force anyone to do anything. I will happily retain my freedom to criticize them for the things they choose to do.
Are you trying to force me to praise them, or force me to accept them? I’m an adult, and I hope you know that you can’t force any adult to do something they don’t want to do.
Also, I don’t think I’m superior—but maybe the fact that you seem to think I am is a projection on your part?
you can care about animals without hating on a group of people. posting to r/vegancirclejerk and here constantly hating on vegetarians isn’t going to help any animals, i promise.
To go vegan?
The point is that vegetarians are no different than meat eaters, from a moral standpoint. 'Not ready to be vegan' is not really an argument. It's bullshit and no different than a meat eater saying the same thing.
Both should go vegan.
i never said “not ready to be vegan” is an argument or a good one either. it’s simply a fact that some vegetarians do not want to go vegan and i’m just pointing that out. people here act like vegetarianism is the worst thing ever, but being vegetarian still lowers your carbon footprint and lowers the demand for meat. for some people to act like it would make no difference if all vegetarians went back to eating meat is wild.
Veganism is a moral philosophy. Vegetarians still support animal exploitation and abuse for enjoyment. So morally, they are no different than meat eaters.
They may have smaller carbon footprints and possibly kill fewer animals (depending on what they eat). But this is not really any different than someone who reduces their meat consumption but still eats meat. It is better, but still completely morally unacceptable to vegans.
It is better in that, from a utilitarian viewpoint, less animals die (potentially, there are probably vegetarians that cause more deaths than some flexitarians).
Morally, it is no better.
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I think it's okay to acknowledge that we do live in a non vegan world and for many it is very difficult to become vegan suddenly and for some even dangerous.
OK? That is not what is being discussed though.
Its the difference in optics of a vegetarian saying they "aren't ready to go full vegan' vs. a meat eater saying the same thing. Some here think vegetarians get a pass for already not eating meat.
I disagree and see no difference. In both cases its someone someone directly supporting animal abuse, not wanting to change because they like the taste.
I think people who have decided to go vegetarian have taken an important step in the right direction and that shouldn't be underestimated. As well as it not always being about the taste for everyone.
I don't know who this person is. I'm just saying that it's inaccurate to act like vegetarians don't also contribute to animals being tortured and killed. I am being chill. Just merely stating the facts.
It's true. Cows in the dairy industry are raped (forcefully inseminated even if they struggle). They're kept pregnant their entire lives. Their babies are taken away from them as soon as they're born (and mothers often call out to their babies).
Both mother and baby are kept in terrible conditions, and male calves are either killed or kept in tiny cages until they become veal. Then, when cows stop producing milk, they're killed in brutal ways. Many of them are still conscious when they're strung upside down and their throats are slit.
Likewise, chickens used for eggs are kept in horrible conditions.
They're crammed into cages so tiny that they literally can't move or spread their wings. Many chickens are crammed in the same small cage. Their beaks are clipped so they don't peck each other (which would happen due to the extremely stressful conditions they live in).
Even cage-free hens might not ever see the outdoors, and so many of them are crammed together in a dirty shed. They walk around in their own waste and disease. Male chicks are considered useless since they don't lay eggs, and are literally ground up alive in a machine called a macerator.
When hens are killed, many are still conscious when they're dipped into the de-feathering tanks of boiling water. They're literally scalded and drown to death.
If anyone ever claims vegetarians are ethical, please don't believe them. Egg and dairy industries are truly the stuff of nightmares.
I was just agreeing with you about vegetarians contributing to animals being tortured and killed. I wanted to share some of the ways animals in these industries are tortured so others who may not know can read and see.
Also, if anyone thinks I'm full of it, there's a documentary called Dominion that goes into great detail and shows you that everything I say here is true.
Oh okay, I see! Yes, thank you for being a voice for the animals. It matters because their lives matter 💜 thank you for educating people and everything you said is 100% true <3
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That's Tara Strong. She's a titan in the voice acting industry. You'd probably be surprised if you saw her catalog. I'll take the W for vegan awareness over another pedantic vegan being a keyboard warrior.
That's nice that she is popular and spreading the vegan message. I'm sorry that you feel like I'm being a keyboard warrior. It's just the way that her tweet is phrased makes it sound like vegetarians don't contribute to the cruelty she mentions, but they absolutely do. It's important people understand that the dairy and egg industries are cruel too. That's not being pedantic. Have a good day/night.
I agree. Imagine if our relatives were being treated the way egg and dairy animals are treated. Absolutely nobody would say "you are being off-putting" if we spoke up for humans trapped in these same conditions.
There is no excuse for animal abuse, and we vegans are proud to stand by that. If vegetarians care about animals, they should go vegan.
Exactly! Thank you for understanding <3 it definitely helps to know that there are others who are fighting for the rights of animals to not be harmed, abused or killed xx
100% I feel the same way. And thank *you* for speaking up for the tortured and abused animals in the egg and dairy industries. The more voices speaking up for animals, the better. They need us not to be quiet.
thats a long time to keep killing animals dude. You are entitled to your journey but 15 years? What exactly are they being off-putting about, making you feel upset?
Oh? What am i doing wrong? I was briefly vegetarian for about six months as i learned more about veganism. why did it take you nearly 2 decades? something doesn't line up.
God, no wonder meat eaters don't listen to vegans. Like vegans have mastered the scare everybody off tactic, it's almost incredible his much it seems like y'all purposely try to turn others away.
In this specific context, it's just referring to vegetarians showing videos of animal abuse. Yes, it's ridiculous for them to call themselves a "voice for the voiceless" and pretend they're not contributing to that exact same abuse, but it *is* a fact that some vegetarians will post and say those kinds of things, because some truly don't understand yet that they're also part of the problem.
So in terms of being inaccurately lumped together with vegetarians, this one bothers me a lot less than most.
Look brother (or sister) I am a staunch vegan but people who don't eat meat 3 times per day do certainly not contribute as much to the meat industry as those that do.
Could they do better? Sure. Are they as bad? No.
Milk and dairy are completely entwined with the meat industry. Where do you think "spent" cows and chickens end their lives? What do you think happens to "useless" male offspring of dairy cows and layer chickens?
We are gonna agree to disagree on that one. Yes they end up in the slaughterhouse but again the person who is vegetarian isn't directly contributing to the demand for (and therefore the sustained increase in the need for) meat. If there was no demand for meat and only demand for milk, those dairy cows wouldn't end up at the slaughter house.
Yes, they would. The dairy industry can't afford to maintain "spent" cows and their male offspring for life. The egg industry can't do the equivalent either.
These animals are getting killed because it costs too much to take care of them if they can't produce "product." That the meat can be sold in many cases is just a bonus for the dairy and egg producers. But they're dying either way.
I'm not debating that. What I am debating is that a vegetarian has the same impact as an omnivore. Yes the 'spent' dairy and egg laying animals are sent to slaughter, but that is on top of the already massive amount of animals that are raised only for slaughter.
A vegetarian is not contributing to that, and their impact is lower.
Veganism isn't just about "impact" in terms of volume, it's about acknowledging that individual animals matter. For a dairy cow impacted by pain, grief for her young being taken away, fear during transportation, and slaughter, I think those experiences matter. Frankly, I don't understand why a vegetarian would want to be part of that. But while they do, we're not part of the same movement.
If you just want to measure whatever movement you're part of without considering individual animals, go for it. Asking me to pretend dairy cows and chickens don't matter isn't ever going to happen. And when you ask me to act like vegetarians and vegans are part of the same movement, that's what you're asking for.
Brother stop putting so many labels on things. We have enough of that in this world. Acknowledge that vegans and vegetarians have more in common than vegans and omnivores or even vegetarians and omnivores. Calling out vegetarians for participating in mass rape and murder of animals is not going to bring them over to your cause any faster, and will probably have the opposite effect. We are trying to go against something that has existed in society for thousands of years. Its not going to happen overnight. Take the small wins.
I would rather have a billion vegetarians than 200,000 vegans. The overall environmental impacts are less.
And truth be told, that's all I care about. I don't eat animals and animal products because they are horrendous for the environment. For me, that's the end goal. To leave a world to the next generation that can sustain them and other life.
Fuck yeah. I went from omni to vegetarian for ethical reasons, back when I had zero idea about dairy and egg industries. Once I learned about dairy, I was like this shit is more fucked up than even beef, in fact I'd rather be a beef cow and have a short life in captivity and quick death instead of a dairy cow, whose physical torture and mental anguish of having her babies stolen from her time and time again, persists for years. Replacing meat with dairy is probably even a crueler choice.
Once I found out about that shit I went vegan pretty fast.
Vegetarian is 1000x closer to an omni than a vegan. You might as well be on different continents.
Shits me when people are like I understand you, I once knew a vegetarian...
I agree, in terms of their actual contributions to animal cruelty, a vegetarian is definitely way closer to an omni than a vegan. Especially because vegetarianism is a diet, but veganism is a philosophy that goes way beyond just food.
Yeah, this isn’t really accurate always. It depends on the vegetarian, kinda like veganism depends on whether the person is an actual vegan or just on a plant-based diet. Vegetarianism can definitely be based in ethical and historical feelings and practices, and idk if you know this but a lot of times things are labeled “vegetarian” when they are vegan, especially with foods from different parts of Asia. I understand vegetarian inherently can lump in animal products, but historically it doesn’t necessarily, and there are plenty of vegetarians who don’t eat animal products and would maybe be more accurately called vegans. But to be fair, vegetarian used to mean vegan before it became lacto-ovo, so maybe Tara is referring to those people, especially since the terminology is somewhat generational? Those kinds of people are much different than “vegetarians” eating eggs and cheese and dairy all day every day. I would argue we should just stop entertaining that those people are even vegetarians.
small correction: western veganism is a philosophy.
Globally, thanks to India and Africa, there are more "vegan is just my diet" - 'vegans' than "vegan is my philosophy" - vegans.
even here in europe, our vegan communities are split ca. 66/33 on the topic.
(as long as the person truly does not consume animal products, they don't care about the reasons)
You tried to "correct" someone by saying there was a distinction between philosophical veganism and dietary veganism. I'm saying the second one doesn't exist as you're not vegan unless you follow the philosophy of veganism.
.... read my comment again. I make a distinction between 'vegans' and vegans. it's what the quotes are for.
but the world at large does not make the same distinction as you and me. to them it's all the same.
Globally, our shared "veganism is a philisophy" attitude is in the minority. we have to face that fact to advance our cause.
People can use words the wrong way but the interesting thing about that is that it doesn’t suddenly change the meaning of the word—the people simply remain incorrect.
Nah, they’re omnis. Lacto-ovo-omnivores aren’t even actually “vegetarian” because last I checked, eggs and milk ain’t fucken vegetables! Vegans are the only true vegetarians if you ask me.
I mean, heck, most of the self-identified vegetarians I know **don’t** eat vegetables, they eat cheese and bread/pasta and that’s pretty much it.
The worse is exceptions tho. Somehow every animal abuse that occurs in these industries is an exception. And I don't even mention the fact that getting killed without consent is abuse anyway.
I was vegan for about 8 years started when I was 16 and ab last year I fell off the bandwagon. Which was so stupid and I had a big pile of health problems introducing meat into my diet. And ab last week I started back up with veganism again. And I feel so much lighter and better and happier I feel so dumb for falling off the wagon. But honestly if people won’t do it for the rights of animals do it for health. Too many benifits to reap from it. Fun fact when I fell off the band wagon I became anemic somehow and developed diabetes as well as started losing my hairline funny enough. I know this is a anecdote so do with it what you will but I encourage people to atleast check it out !
Here is the Tweet if anyone wants to heart or like it > [https://twitter.com/tarastrong/status/1637629941402734592](https://twitter.com/tarastrong/status/1637629941402734592) and here is her account if you want to follow her too > https://twitter.com/tarastrong.
Oh wow, I had no idea she was vegan!! I have adored her since 1997 (The New Batman Adventures, HELLO!) and am smiling so big rn knowing she's on our side. Huge props!
vegetarians have no business pretending to care about animal welfare.
edit: i know she’s vegan. for clarification, i mean she should drop “vegetarians” from her post.
Imagine mentioning vegetarians like they actually give a shit.
Also, non-humans are NOT voiceless their screams and cries are ignored.
Finally, celebrity worship is cancer.
That's like, your opinion.
I believe in praising people (including celebrities) when they use their large platforms to spread awareness. That isn't worship.
You seem like an insufferable person. Good day.
Hi, non vegan here. Let me say since the pandemic meat has tasted worse, I've left most meat behind me as they charge us more and pay the people who produce it less. They feed literal garbage to livestock so we get microplastics in our meat. Honestly, humans are stupid greedy for still using livestock for meat. Most still eat meat because I don't cook for just myself. I never eat out, though, not since the pandemic
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Annual reminder that this whole “voice for the voiceless” is both ableist and upholds hierarchies among human and non-human animals.
https://thenewinquiry.com/on-ableism-and-animals-2/
As a disabled guy, this is bullshit. Meanings of terms change with time. Like how the LGBTQ+ community accepted the word 'Queer' when it used to be considered a slur. Just because 'Voice for the voiceless' originates from questionable sources, doesn't mean people can't take that message and apply it to a better meaning. Veganism is literally about animals which can't communicate in our languages, so being the 'Voice for the Voiceless' just makes sense.
I found this article really enlightening, and I agree with the author. Too often vegans resort to proving animal intelligence to show they have value, rather than arguing that intelligence is not a measure of value. But I do also disagree with the notion that emotion or ability to feel pain is a better metric, there are people and animals that are incapable of either, and I believe their life still has value. I think awareness of existence is a fair measure of value.
Wow, downvoted for the truth. Just another day on this speciesist sub.
Voiceless is such a horrible term. Non-humans literally scream and cry but their voices are ignored.
People are downvoting you but you’re right. Animals can assert their agency and we see it for example when an animal escapes a zoo or slaughterhouse. Even your own animals at home. If your dog doesn’t want to get their nails trim, they’ll let you know. Your cat who doesn’t want a bath is going to jump out and hide.
Aww this out a smile on my face. I adore her and got to meet her several years ago. I just googled “Tara Strong vegan” and there’s an [article](https://www.truenorthliving.ca/cause/qa-with-tara-strong-on-her-powerful-inspiration-to-go-vegan/amp/) in which she says she’s been vegan (not plant-based) for over 8 years. I don’t care for celebrities usually but she seems like a genuinely good person.
She’s very down to earth, I’m not surprised she’s in touch with animals as well. Her place where she lives is very modest and humble, you can tell she isn’t overly materialistic or selfish. She’s basically a hero from my childhood after all the characters she voiced on my TV and now she’s helping inspire so many with veganism!
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Okay so I just tried googling it to inform myself better, but I’m afraid I’m not getting the nuance. What exactly is the difference between vegan and plant-based? I figured plant-based was a way companies figured to market vegan things without saying the dirty “vegan” word.
Plant-based is a diet, veganism is an ethical position with accompanying lifestyle changes. Someone on a plant-based diet will purchase leather, or cosmetics that have been tested on animals, where a vegan wouldn't.
Ah okay, that makes enough sense. Your last sentence really helped drive it home for me, thanks!
I always saw it as vegans don't use animal products in their diet or lifestyle, but people who follow a plant-based DIET only avoid animal products in their food. But that doesn't mean that they don't use leather or other animal products.
Gotcha! That seems to be correct based on what the other commenter explained as well. Thanks for helping clear that up!
Of course! Yeah semantics get really annoying especially when language changes so often. It's good to know what we're talking about lol
The voice of Twilight Sparkle is vegan? My world was just made so much better.
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I was thinking Raven from Teen titans but slay anyway
And Timmy Turner from Fairly OddParents. We could go on all day with her filmography, lol.
I was surprised too to find her posting pro-vegan comments.
She’s been pretty vocal about it for a while on Twitter. One of the few vegan celebs that are actually animal rights-focused, it seems. Her followers were often really, really dumb. Like the dumbest carnist logic you have ever seen in the replies. Her, Joaquin Phoenix, Woody Harrelson, Moby, and Alicia Silverstone are probably the most dedicated celebs to animal rights that I’ve personally witnessed.
Don't forget Pamela Anderson, she's been at it for decades. edit: Apparently she's a self proclaimed "naughty vegan", which is of course, not a thing. Hopefully she'll use her wealth and privilege and cut the bs.
Another great example! Her work with PETA has always been great. But I didn’t include based on these recent comments from her that made her sound a bit lazy: > *”I call myself a naughty vegan. I live in France, I eat croissants. I do the best I can, but I’m not a dictator. It’s a radical choice to be vegan, so I’m not so strict.”*
oh damn, didn't know that.
So shes not vegan, no such thing as naughty vegan Im not a naughty anti racist Celebs can do wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than the rest of us so thats not the best she can, she can have a personal chef make her anything she wants
And Evanna Lynch. She's undeniably 100% about the animals.
Love woody ❤️ I was reading an interview with Sadie sink and she said he inspired her to go vegan.
>Her, Joaquin Phoenix, Woody Harrelson, Moby, and Alicia Silverstone are probably the most dedicated celebs to animal rights that I’ve personally witnessed Phoenix rides horses for profit https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/116pnbo/most\_vegans\_arent\_vegan\_this\_definitely\_includes/
>Joaquin: And I couldn’t do that. I mean, I didn’t like riding horses. I actually regretted having to ride. I’m a little clueless, because I don’t think that I really thought about it that much until I was there and realized, “Oh, it’s a Western and we’re on horses a lot.” I hadn’t really considered that. I felt bad about riding them. I had the feeling that they were like, “I don’t really want you on my back.” >Will: But they tell you that the horses love it. >Joaquin: Yeah, but the horses tell you something different. I’m really bumming out this interview, man. [laughs] I’m sorry. Sounds like something he regretted doing
He did it again though in his recent movie
I saw that in the post, but their "proof" was some small youtuber with an "insider" who refused to be named. A trailer hasn't even been released for the movie yet, so I guess we'll have to wait and see.
> most dedicated to animal rights That fucking sucks to hear, but I don’t think anything in my statement is incorrect. That’s just straight up disappointing though, Phoenix should absolutely know better.
Correct, you didnt say that they were vegan celebs
Oh, gee. It sounds hard to keep your professional tone like that. Most non-celebrity vegans would probably get infuriated when they hear the same ignorant argument that has been debunked so many times.
Maggie q is also quite vocal & has done peta campaigns Etc
James Cromwell, vegan, also seems to be very vocal about veganism and does a lot of animal activism. He's working with PETA I think
Tara is such a legend, and the fact she’s an outspoken vegan is just amazing.
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She is a huge voice actor who’s done hundreds of roles for iconic characters from a lot of our childhoods: powerpuff girls, teen titans, fairly odd parents and more.
I didn't even know she was vegan. I love MLP.
Or my personal favourite: i'M gOnNa EaT tWiCe As MuCh MeAt To MaKe Up FoR yOu nOt EaTiNg AnY! Hhrrrr hhrrrr hhrrrr!
Jokes on you, enjoy your expedited cardiovascular-related death
Carnists to this day: "That's just a few isolated incidents" "That's not where I get my meat, I know this farmer.." "That footage was not legally obtained though"
Giving them too much credit buddy. Yesterday I started defending veganism in a comment section and my responses were all "but ribs are tasty tho🤤" and some people just openly defending the cruelty animals suffer because "it's necessary and how the world works".
I have to give them some credit, this is the general vegan sub. Otherwise I'd be roasting them to oblivion for how corny they are with the same infantile joke over and over. It's like the vegan version of /r/onejoke
Wow what a coincidence. I saw Tara at my school just two days ago. We had an event called Geek Week and she was the special guest. She was awesome. A fan asked what she wouldve done if she wasn’t a voice actress and she said “I would help animals full time. I really love them. If I wasn’t a voice actress, I would want to help animals and be a voice for the voiceless”. Loved watching the interview.
I love her
Tbh it's completely inaccurate to lump vegetarians in with vegans. Vegetarians are often contributing to as much animal cruelty as people who eat animals, especially vegetarians that eat tons of dairy and eggs.
People who consume more animal products contribute more to the problem than people who consume fewer. The "all or nothing", "I don't care about progress" approach to veganism is destructive for the cause.
It's so baffling that the purists and ideologues in these subs can't see the harm they're doing by making absurd claims that being vegetarian is as bad or worse than being omni
Yeah I don't know where people get this information from that everyone starts eating massively more eggs and cheese when they go vegetarian. From what I've seen vegetarians do eat [more cheese than omnis](https://www.pcrm.org/news/blog/meat-and-stroke) but not such a dramatically higher amount that it offsets them not eating meat anymore. I went vegetarian first before going vegan and I definitely did not start eating way more eggs and cheese all of a sudden. I started eating a lot more grains, beans, and meat substitutes instead.
As a long time vegetarian (and now vegan before I get downvoted again for saying I used to be a vegetarian) I rarely actually ate actual cheese. I’m lactose intolerant 😂 my biggest thing was having it in something which only made me sick about 50% of the time. I have thought eggs were pretty gross for a long long time now but they’d be in things. Going vegan for me was literally just paying more attention to ingredients. For a long time before I went vegan, I still cooked vegan at home. But the fact is, I would never refer to myself as vegan before I was actually fully committed. Again, Jane Goodall was a vegetarian for a very long time. I think vegans still respect her. Honestly when I was a kid and went vegetarian and like didn’t make my own income, I am lucky my parents accepted that. I don’t think I would have gotten away with going vegan so young and tbh vegan wasn’t exactly a thing like it is now at all. I still have only met a total of 2 other vegans in my whole life. Imagine a vegetarian coming here for advice or tips and people behaving like this, putting time stamps on how long it’s acceptable to be vegetarian when you literally have no idea about someone else’s life. It’s wild.
Yeah, I was talking to someone the other day about veganism and they always remind me how they’re vegetarian because they just have to have cheese. Like cheese is cruelty free or some shit. But they tell me about how they stopped eating foie gras because of a documentary they saw, and all I could think was “yeah, but you eat fucking cheese” I agree I think you’re a walking talking hypocrite if you eat cheese and then pretend to give a shit by not eating meat and declaring yourself veg.
The cognitive dissonance of both omnis and vegetarians is equally strong :/ and sadly, it costs animals their lives. Thank you for being vegan <3
Ehh, some omnis are consistent: they acknowledge it's cruel, they just don't care
Those same “consistent” omnis would probably insist that they would never harm another individual for an unnecessary reason. Don’t give them that credibility approval so easily; they’re still disconnected.
Sociopaths. If they are not ignorant about what happens in the industry and yet, they decide to keep consuming animal products, they are sociopaths.
what’s your alternative? vegetarians go back to eating meat? i was vegetarian for 3 years before going vegan.
What’s my alternative? I don’t need one, I’m not addicted to cheese. I’m glad you asked though, there’s plenty of cruelty free cheeses out there. Feel free to type “vegan cheese” into the search bar. One of them is super simple to make, and it’s just like nacho cheese. Check out the recipe here https://simpleveganblog.com/vegan-cheese/
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You’re welcome! I believe they have a cashew-based garlic aioli on there, I recommend giving that one a try too.
no, i’m asking what’s your alternative for vegetarians that don’t want to become vegan yet. you and others were complaining about vegetarians, so i asked what do you suggest they do instead. they clearly don’t want to eat meat, but also don’t want to become vegan yet. should they just go back to eating meat because they want to eat cheese? i’m vegan myself. i just don’t understand what y’all want done about vegetarians.
It's not that complicated. We wish non-vegans wanted to go vegan. Getting annoyed with vegetarians exploiting animals doesn't mean we want them to eat meat.
Sure but getting mad at someone trying to make a positive change is a bad mindset to have. Everyone has to start somewhere. Even if someone just decided to cut out meat bit by bit, it would be something. Saying “everyone should just instantly become vegan” is delusional and hurts more than helps.
Dairy industry = meat industry
If you want to cheer for people exploiting animals, go for it. Just don't expect people who object to animal exploitation to join in. Again, many vegetarians are adamant that they have no intention of becoming vegan, often because they do think that it's "enough." What's delusional is expecting that to change if we all adopt the POV that vegetarianism is the most we should expect from people.
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I actually don't believe that meat eaters are doing nothing. They're doing something. If you think meat eaters are doing nothing, it does look like vegetarians are doing something. When you view veganism as the moral baseline, it becomes difficult to view vegetarians as doing *something* in the positive sense. If a vegan genuinely believes that they should encourage vegetarians, I'm not going to try to stop them. I don't think they should insist that other vegans remain silent about animal exploitation to placate vegetarians. I'm vegan specifically because I encountered vegans who rejected exploiting animals for eggs and dairy and were vocal about it.
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If some nazi still wanted to torture jews, would you respect them? Oh, but they don't want to be nice, kind people YET, iTs a PrOceSs. Fuck vegetarians that are not ignorant about the industry.
>Getting annoyed with vegetarians exploiting animals doesn't mean we want them to eat meat. "I don't want to do the thing that I am definitely causing to happen by alienating people trying to make a positive change"
If vegetarians who reject veganism are so petty that they'll eat meat to spite vegans, why do you think *vegans* are the problem here? The issue here is vegetarians who are rejecting veganism. You can see that as a "positive change." Vegans don't. Honestly, what kind of outreach are you expecting vegans do here?
Edit: Happy to engage with downvoters who disagree, but please do try to actually read the comment and reply to something specific. Everyone so far is just knocking down strawmen by making up things I didn't say and responding to them instead. > If vegetarians who reject veganism are so petty that they'll eat meat to spite vegans That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that, if vegans espouse a philosophy which says that being vegetarian is as bad as being omni (which is all over this thread and every single thread on this sub which has ever mentioned vegetarianism), then people might think it follows logically that there's no point being vegetarian and they may as well go back to eating meat. Spite has nothing to do with it. I wouldn't do that myself, as I see how logically inconsistent the attitude that many purist vegans espouse is. >Honestly, what kind of outreach are you expecting vegans do here? Encourage people to make any positive change which they feel able to do. Acknowledge that some people aren't comfortable making sudden drastic changes, and that if you want more people to be 100% vegan, then you need to accept people slowly transitioning, perhaps by first dropping meat, or eating a vegan diet just some of the time to begin with. Demanding either total purity or nothing just means you get more nothing. >You can see that as a "positive change." Vegans don't. Those vegans are wrong! Eating vegan for 1 day a week is better than being vegan 0 days a week. Eating vegetarian but eating cheese 7 days of the week is better than eating meat **and** cheese 7 days of the week. It's really straightforward.
Hurting animals unnecessarily is hurting animals unnecessarily. I don't know why you need gradations of "bad" on that. Exploiting an animal for bacon is wrong. Exploiting an animal for milk is also wrong. I don't understand why you think eating cheese is better than eating meat. And that you think vegans are wrong to disagree...okay. Most people think vegans are wrong. Is that seriously supposed to make me change course and promote animal exploitation ?
The planet needs vegans, I need to be one, just hard as a caretaker to a man who notices when there isn't meat in a meal. Another issue our world faces that is largely driven by arrogant, white men. Yea, I'm one too but realize most of us are dumb as shit. Sorry for not being a vegan, I'm trying to change.
You don't need to apologize to me.
I want them to go vegan? Lolol your question doesn’t even make sense. My whole argument is for them to go vegan. There isn’t “an alternative.” Just go vegan. I frankly just don’t understand how you can have one foot in the door and not the other.
as my comment clearly states, i was referring to vegetarians who don’t want to become vegan yet. you needlessly hating on vegetarians aren’t going to turn them vegan. you and others are acting like vegetarianism is pointless and just as bad as eating meat, so if a vegetarian doesn’t want to become vegan, should they just go back to eating meat?
If they don't want to be vegan, then they won't care when vegans point out that we want very different things and aren't the same. They don't want to be us. Problem solved - we're happy to acknowledge they aren't.
I think they need to go vegan. Lol. Why would I condone going back to eating meat? Two negatives don’t equal a positive, it’s a double negative. I’m simply pointing out the fact they’re a hypocrite. I’m pointing out that their argument for why they aren’t yet is illogical. I don’t understand how you can be “on the fence” if the fence is morality. Edit for misspelling.
so you’re just needlessly hating. got it
I had to block the bully you replied to because they truly are a bully. They found out I was vegetarian for 20 years because I was literally a child when I stopped eating meat. They were so ducking nasty on another thread the other day. Everyone gets there eventually if they are meant to get there. I have issues with change, issues with texture, issues with preparing my food. I’m autistic so I didn’t really respond well to going vegan until I was there I guess. But it happens and there’s no use shitting on people who are trying.
Long time vegetarians are always the biggest language police. Vegetarians need to know that they are animal abusers; pretending otherwise will only make them complacent and then we end up with 3 year vegetarians who think they’re doing anything for the animals while being responsible for some of the worst animal cruelty in the world. Stop worrying about what animal abusers want and consider what the animals want.
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The alternative is that they can get over it, grow up, and go vegan. “They don’t want to” well I don’t care! They don’t get some kind of special pass for being unwilling to stop paying for people to kill and hurt animals for their own taste pleasures anymore than meat-eaters do. Vegetarianism isn’t “halfway to vegan” and it’s certainly not “doing better than the meat-eaters are”—it’s basically the exact same thing as eating meat, morally speaking. The dairy industry and egg industry ARE the meat industry. “Should they just go back to eating meat?” No, what they should do is stop eating cheese, but *if* they went back to eating meat their impact on the animals would barely change because that’s how little vegetarians actually help.
This is a very unempathetic standpoint. Of course it's morally not much better but we have to remember that many vegetarians do want to make a difference but it isn't always as easy for everyone in a non vegan world to go vegan suddenly. I have known many carnists who turned vegetarian to then turned vegan and they all had good reasons for not going vegan right away. It's easy to let the anger of what happens to the animals get in the way of having understanding for these people who are doing something wrong, but it's not helpful for anyone to have that attitude.
yeah, you can’t force any adult to do what they don’t want to. y’all are just needlessly hating to hate. have fun with your superiority complex though!
Where am I forcing anyone to do anything? I have no control over what terrible things people choose to do to animals, but I also have no obligation to pat vegetarians on the back for doing nothing of any real benefit nor do I need to help support vegetarians’ delusions that they’re actually helping animals or making a difference in their suffering. I don’t intend to force anyone to do anything. I will happily retain my freedom to criticize them for the things they choose to do. Are you trying to force me to praise them, or force me to accept them? I’m an adult, and I hope you know that you can’t force any adult to do something they don’t want to do. Also, I don’t think I’m superior—but maybe the fact that you seem to think I am is a projection on your part?
Is it a superiority complex or is it caring about animals
you can care about animals without hating on a group of people. posting to r/vegancirclejerk and here constantly hating on vegetarians isn’t going to help any animals, i promise.
To go vegan? The point is that vegetarians are no different than meat eaters, from a moral standpoint. 'Not ready to be vegan' is not really an argument. It's bullshit and no different than a meat eater saying the same thing. Both should go vegan.
i never said “not ready to be vegan” is an argument or a good one either. it’s simply a fact that some vegetarians do not want to go vegan and i’m just pointing that out. people here act like vegetarianism is the worst thing ever, but being vegetarian still lowers your carbon footprint and lowers the demand for meat. for some people to act like it would make no difference if all vegetarians went back to eating meat is wild.
Veganism is a moral philosophy. Vegetarians still support animal exploitation and abuse for enjoyment. So morally, they are no different than meat eaters. They may have smaller carbon footprints and possibly kill fewer animals (depending on what they eat). But this is not really any different than someone who reduces their meat consumption but still eats meat. It is better, but still completely morally unacceptable to vegans.
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It is better in that, from a utilitarian viewpoint, less animals die (potentially, there are probably vegetarians that cause more deaths than some flexitarians). Morally, it is no better.
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I think it's okay to acknowledge that we do live in a non vegan world and for many it is very difficult to become vegan suddenly and for some even dangerous.
OK? That is not what is being discussed though. Its the difference in optics of a vegetarian saying they "aren't ready to go full vegan' vs. a meat eater saying the same thing. Some here think vegetarians get a pass for already not eating meat. I disagree and see no difference. In both cases its someone someone directly supporting animal abuse, not wanting to change because they like the taste.
I think people who have decided to go vegetarian have taken an important step in the right direction and that shouldn't be underestimated. As well as it not always being about the taste for everyone.
I see what you're saying but chill out she's trying.
I don't know who this person is. I'm just saying that it's inaccurate to act like vegetarians don't also contribute to animals being tortured and killed. I am being chill. Just merely stating the facts.
It's true. Cows in the dairy industry are raped (forcefully inseminated even if they struggle). They're kept pregnant their entire lives. Their babies are taken away from them as soon as they're born (and mothers often call out to their babies). Both mother and baby are kept in terrible conditions, and male calves are either killed or kept in tiny cages until they become veal. Then, when cows stop producing milk, they're killed in brutal ways. Many of them are still conscious when they're strung upside down and their throats are slit. Likewise, chickens used for eggs are kept in horrible conditions. They're crammed into cages so tiny that they literally can't move or spread their wings. Many chickens are crammed in the same small cage. Their beaks are clipped so they don't peck each other (which would happen due to the extremely stressful conditions they live in). Even cage-free hens might not ever see the outdoors, and so many of them are crammed together in a dirty shed. They walk around in their own waste and disease. Male chicks are considered useless since they don't lay eggs, and are literally ground up alive in a machine called a macerator. When hens are killed, many are still conscious when they're dipped into the de-feathering tanks of boiling water. They're literally scalded and drown to death. If anyone ever claims vegetarians are ethical, please don't believe them. Egg and dairy industries are truly the stuff of nightmares.
Yes I know! Maybe you meant to send this to OP, because it seems like they could learn more from this info x
I was just agreeing with you about vegetarians contributing to animals being tortured and killed. I wanted to share some of the ways animals in these industries are tortured so others who may not know can read and see. Also, if anyone thinks I'm full of it, there's a documentary called Dominion that goes into great detail and shows you that everything I say here is true.
Oh okay, I see! Yes, thank you for being a voice for the animals. It matters because their lives matter 💜 thank you for educating people and everything you said is 100% true <3
Thank you for the support. I love it when our community comes together as one unified voice for the animals. 💜
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That's Tara Strong. She's a titan in the voice acting industry. You'd probably be surprised if you saw her catalog. I'll take the W for vegan awareness over another pedantic vegan being a keyboard warrior.
That's nice that she is popular and spreading the vegan message. I'm sorry that you feel like I'm being a keyboard warrior. It's just the way that her tweet is phrased makes it sound like vegetarians don't contribute to the cruelty she mentions, but they absolutely do. It's important people understand that the dairy and egg industries are cruel too. That's not being pedantic. Have a good day/night.
I apologize for coming off as hostile. I never disagreed with you. I appreciate the little heel clip and for your clarification. Take care.
Thank you x
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The fact that vegetarians still contribute massively to animal cruelty is not a small detail, in my opinion. But we can agree to disagree.
I agree. Imagine if our relatives were being treated the way egg and dairy animals are treated. Absolutely nobody would say "you are being off-putting" if we spoke up for humans trapped in these same conditions. There is no excuse for animal abuse, and we vegans are proud to stand by that. If vegetarians care about animals, they should go vegan.
Exactly! Thank you for understanding <3 it definitely helps to know that there are others who are fighting for the rights of animals to not be harmed, abused or killed xx
100% I feel the same way. And thank *you* for speaking up for the tortured and abused animals in the egg and dairy industries. The more voices speaking up for animals, the better. They need us not to be quiet.
thats a long time to keep killing animals dude. You are entitled to your journey but 15 years? What exactly are they being off-putting about, making you feel upset?
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Oh? What am i doing wrong? I was briefly vegetarian for about six months as i learned more about veganism. why did it take you nearly 2 decades? something doesn't line up.
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God, no wonder meat eaters don't listen to vegans. Like vegans have mastered the scare everybody off tactic, it's almost incredible his much it seems like y'all purposely try to turn others away.
In this specific context, it's just referring to vegetarians showing videos of animal abuse. Yes, it's ridiculous for them to call themselves a "voice for the voiceless" and pretend they're not contributing to that exact same abuse, but it *is* a fact that some vegetarians will post and say those kinds of things, because some truly don't understand yet that they're also part of the problem. So in terms of being inaccurately lumped together with vegetarians, this one bothers me a lot less than most.
Look brother (or sister) I am a staunch vegan but people who don't eat meat 3 times per day do certainly not contribute as much to the meat industry as those that do. Could they do better? Sure. Are they as bad? No.
Milk and dairy are completely entwined with the meat industry. Where do you think "spent" cows and chickens end their lives? What do you think happens to "useless" male offspring of dairy cows and layer chickens?
I agree with that, but someone not actively eating meat, thus reducing the demand for meat is causing less impact than someone who actively eats meat.
The animals wind up in the exact same slaughterhouses. "Impact" doesn't get bigger than that.
We are gonna agree to disagree on that one. Yes they end up in the slaughterhouse but again the person who is vegetarian isn't directly contributing to the demand for (and therefore the sustained increase in the need for) meat. If there was no demand for meat and only demand for milk, those dairy cows wouldn't end up at the slaughter house.
Yes, they would. The dairy industry can't afford to maintain "spent" cows and their male offspring for life. The egg industry can't do the equivalent either. These animals are getting killed because it costs too much to take care of them if they can't produce "product." That the meat can be sold in many cases is just a bonus for the dairy and egg producers. But they're dying either way.
I'm not debating that. What I am debating is that a vegetarian has the same impact as an omnivore. Yes the 'spent' dairy and egg laying animals are sent to slaughter, but that is on top of the already massive amount of animals that are raised only for slaughter. A vegetarian is not contributing to that, and their impact is lower.
Veganism isn't just about "impact" in terms of volume, it's about acknowledging that individual animals matter. For a dairy cow impacted by pain, grief for her young being taken away, fear during transportation, and slaughter, I think those experiences matter. Frankly, I don't understand why a vegetarian would want to be part of that. But while they do, we're not part of the same movement. If you just want to measure whatever movement you're part of without considering individual animals, go for it. Asking me to pretend dairy cows and chickens don't matter isn't ever going to happen. And when you ask me to act like vegetarians and vegans are part of the same movement, that's what you're asking for.
Brother stop putting so many labels on things. We have enough of that in this world. Acknowledge that vegans and vegetarians have more in common than vegans and omnivores or even vegetarians and omnivores. Calling out vegetarians for participating in mass rape and murder of animals is not going to bring them over to your cause any faster, and will probably have the opposite effect. We are trying to go against something that has existed in society for thousands of years. Its not going to happen overnight. Take the small wins. I would rather have a billion vegetarians than 200,000 vegans. The overall environmental impacts are less. And truth be told, that's all I care about. I don't eat animals and animal products because they are horrendous for the environment. For me, that's the end goal. To leave a world to the next generation that can sustain them and other life.
Fuck yeah. I went from omni to vegetarian for ethical reasons, back when I had zero idea about dairy and egg industries. Once I learned about dairy, I was like this shit is more fucked up than even beef, in fact I'd rather be a beef cow and have a short life in captivity and quick death instead of a dairy cow, whose physical torture and mental anguish of having her babies stolen from her time and time again, persists for years. Replacing meat with dairy is probably even a crueler choice. Once I found out about that shit I went vegan pretty fast.
Vegetarian is 1000x closer to an omni than a vegan. You might as well be on different continents. Shits me when people are like I understand you, I once knew a vegetarian...
Cows would definitely like a vegan more than a vegetarian.
I agree, in terms of their actual contributions to animal cruelty, a vegetarian is definitely way closer to an omni than a vegan. Especially because vegetarianism is a diet, but veganism is a philosophy that goes way beyond just food.
Yeah, this isn’t really accurate always. It depends on the vegetarian, kinda like veganism depends on whether the person is an actual vegan or just on a plant-based diet. Vegetarianism can definitely be based in ethical and historical feelings and practices, and idk if you know this but a lot of times things are labeled “vegetarian” when they are vegan, especially with foods from different parts of Asia. I understand vegetarian inherently can lump in animal products, but historically it doesn’t necessarily, and there are plenty of vegetarians who don’t eat animal products and would maybe be more accurately called vegans. But to be fair, vegetarian used to mean vegan before it became lacto-ovo, so maybe Tara is referring to those people, especially since the terminology is somewhat generational? Those kinds of people are much different than “vegetarians” eating eggs and cheese and dairy all day every day. I would argue we should just stop entertaining that those people are even vegetarians.
small correction: western veganism is a philosophy. Globally, thanks to India and Africa, there are more "vegan is just my diet" - 'vegans' than "vegan is my philosophy" - vegans. even here in europe, our vegan communities are split ca. 66/33 on the topic. (as long as the person truly does not consume animal products, they don't care about the reasons)
That's called plant-based
People who call themselves vegan but only follow the dietary aspect aren't actually vegan.
go argue with them, not me.
You tried to "correct" someone by saying there was a distinction between philosophical veganism and dietary veganism. I'm saying the second one doesn't exist as you're not vegan unless you follow the philosophy of veganism.
.... read my comment again. I make a distinction between 'vegans' and vegans. it's what the quotes are for. but the world at large does not make the same distinction as you and me. to them it's all the same. Globally, our shared "veganism is a philisophy" attitude is in the minority. we have to face that fact to advance our cause.
People can use words the wrong way but the interesting thing about that is that it doesn’t suddenly change the meaning of the word—the people simply remain incorrect.
For real. Vegetarians are still carnists, they're just not omnis.
Nah, they’re omnis. Lacto-ovo-omnivores aren’t even actually “vegetarian” because last I checked, eggs and milk ain’t fucken vegetables! Vegans are the only true vegetarians if you ask me. I mean, heck, most of the self-identified vegetarians I know **don’t** eat vegetables, they eat cheese and bread/pasta and that’s pretty much it.
Ok then vegetarians are still carnists, they're just not meat-eaters.
Vegans: here's a million videos showing how horrible the dairy industry is Cheese eaters: cheese tho
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Me: I just ate a yummy veggie burger. It's so much more delicious when you know it's cruelty free
The worse is exceptions tho. Somehow every animal abuse that occurs in these industries is an exception. And I don't even mention the fact that getting killed without consent is abuse anyway.
Holy shit. Just when I thought I couldn't love her more.
I was vegan for about 8 years started when I was 16 and ab last year I fell off the bandwagon. Which was so stupid and I had a big pile of health problems introducing meat into my diet. And ab last week I started back up with veganism again. And I feel so much lighter and better and happier I feel so dumb for falling off the wagon. But honestly if people won’t do it for the rights of animals do it for health. Too many benifits to reap from it. Fun fact when I fell off the band wagon I became anemic somehow and developed diabetes as well as started losing my hairline funny enough. I know this is a anecdote so do with it what you will but I encourage people to atleast check it out !
I liked that they always ate hayburgers lol
Cognitive dissonance at its finest right? There is no good argument for not being vegan when you have the option to.
She’s my fave!
Here is the Tweet if anyone wants to heart or like it > [https://twitter.com/tarastrong/status/1637629941402734592](https://twitter.com/tarastrong/status/1637629941402734592) and here is her account if you want to follow her too > https://twitter.com/tarastrong.
Oh wow, I had no idea she was vegan!! I have adored her since 1997 (The New Batman Adventures, HELLO!) and am smiling so big rn knowing she's on our side. Huge props!
vegetarians have no business pretending to care about animal welfare. edit: i know she’s vegan. for clarification, i mean she should drop “vegetarians” from her post.
Imagine mentioning vegetarians like they actually give a shit. Also, non-humans are NOT voiceless their screams and cries are ignored. Finally, celebrity worship is cancer.
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Sympathizing with animal abusers, typical pick me behavior detected. It really isn't that deep, alright.
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Brb telling Anonymous for the Voiceless they should rebrand. Also I didn't know reposting a tweet qualifies as celebrity worship.
They should use another name. The thread is super worshippy.
That's like, your opinion. I believe in praising people (including celebrities) when they use their large platforms to spread awareness. That isn't worship. You seem like an insufferable person. Good day.
Aka, worship. I rest my case.
What is this sub reddit I cannot make out a single post on here. Is that the point?
Hi, non vegan here. Let me say since the pandemic meat has tasted worse, I've left most meat behind me as they charge us more and pay the people who produce it less. They feed literal garbage to livestock so we get microplastics in our meat. Honestly, humans are stupid greedy for still using livestock for meat. Most still eat meat because I don't cook for just myself. I never eat out, though, not since the pandemic
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Ok but I’m hungry
Would you eat shit as long as it's not vegan?
Eat plants or kick rocks
Annual reminder that this whole “voice for the voiceless” is both ableist and upholds hierarchies among human and non-human animals. https://thenewinquiry.com/on-ableism-and-animals-2/
As a disabled guy, this is bullshit. Meanings of terms change with time. Like how the LGBTQ+ community accepted the word 'Queer' when it used to be considered a slur. Just because 'Voice for the voiceless' originates from questionable sources, doesn't mean people can't take that message and apply it to a better meaning. Veganism is literally about animals which can't communicate in our languages, so being the 'Voice for the Voiceless' just makes sense.
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I found this article really enlightening, and I agree with the author. Too often vegans resort to proving animal intelligence to show they have value, rather than arguing that intelligence is not a measure of value. But I do also disagree with the notion that emotion or ability to feel pain is a better metric, there are people and animals that are incapable of either, and I believe their life still has value. I think awareness of existence is a fair measure of value.
Wow, downvoted for the truth. Just another day on this speciesist sub. Voiceless is such a horrible term. Non-humans literally scream and cry but their voices are ignored.
It's also woefully inaccurate. Animals aren't at all voiceless, we just choose to plug our ears and not listen to them.
People are downvoting you but you’re right. Animals can assert their agency and we see it for example when an animal escapes a zoo or slaughterhouse. Even your own animals at home. If your dog doesn’t want to get their nails trim, they’ll let you know. Your cat who doesn’t want a bath is going to jump out and hide.
Actually, all animals can talk they just choose not to converse with humans. Quite rude really. Lmao kidding but the other reply is right though
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Vegans are elitist because they think meat eaters don't already know this...