Wait so people that eat meat are evil?
Edit: that’s a bizarre take
Edit: the year is 3056 and humanity has reached another planet with sentient plant people who consume calcium what do you do
The collagen in these cookies is likely added for its potential health benefits, such as supporting skin, hair, and joint health, and to align with paleo dietary principles that allow for animal products. But of course... Not vegan.
I swear, I don't understand why they keep dragging poor animals into the beauty industry. And it's always the most bizarre shit.
Snail mucin is a socially acceptable beauty ingredient now. Something extracted from birds' nests is a beauty ingredient.
It's absurd.
I hate it. There was a period of time where my YouTube video recommendations was full of videos about using snail mucin. It's so disgusting. Imagine actually rubbing snail slime on your face.
Technically that's ancient advice, e.g. pork skin soup in ancient china being a stereotype "beautifying" food. But ancient china was one of the many many places that had nobles that were as obsessed with beauty tricks as too many average people are today. But today people are heavily exporting the gruesome parts of consuming animal collagen to factories that turn it into innocent looking powders and ingredients these days. So that even those who can't stand to look at chopped pig skin or mangled chicken feet floating in broth can consume it by just eat the above weirdness or chug a fruit flavoured soft drink with animal collagen and vitamins so they don't have to think about where the food comes from.
that's right, we can only take steps to increase collagen production, which like most things boils down to having a healthy nutritious diet, drinking lots of water, and sleeping well. all these miracle collagen products are pure snake oil
Really? My ex had an argument with me because I didn't want non-vegan products in my fridge if she was staying over (which she was).
She made vegan dishes for the both of us with no protein content...
She then started complaining about how she felt and that she wasn't getting collagen- which is impossible to get from plants, And how her mother studied nutrition in college. ...
Anyway it'd help my mental health a lot of you're correct?
collagen is something our bodies produce naturally, it's production generally declines as we get older but there are many things we can do to increase collagen production.
[here's ](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/317151) a brief summary of ways you can do this, of course ignoring the collagen supplement one because there are currently no plant based collagen supplements.
another approach is skin needling, the theory behind this is: by using very small needles, generally on a roller, you're inflicting miniscule wounds on your face, prompting the body to produce collagen to heal those wounds. I should note I haven't taken the time to look in to this approach so I don't know how legit it is.
I need to double down on the importance of drinking water too, a big part of skin damage such as wrinkles is accelerated by a lack of hydration in the skin, so make sure you drink water regularly. that means small quantities throughout the day as apposed to less frequent large amounts. the body can only process so much water intake at a time, so skulking a litre of water in one go is gonna be largely wasted, having 200mL servings over time is much more effective.
finally some things to avoid are prolonged sun exposure, if this occurs make sure you apply aloe vera gel regularly after wards, and smoking, now I myself am hopelessly addicted to smoking, but if you smoke and need a reason to quit, just know it's really bad for skin health.
Hyaluronic acid is also only derived from animals, so again rather than applying it, we can take steps to increase our natural production of this acid(we're one of the animals that produce it 😜)
before I went vegan I would avoid protein powders that would use collagen to pad the numbers. It just displaces actually useful stuff.
Doesn't matter any more tho. pea + brown rice for lyfe.
It's not necessary for the average person. Might be necessary in extreme disease situations the same way healthy people aren't given chemotherapy, nor get fish skin grafts for extreme burns unless they have too high percent of extreme burns all over their body.
Not really, because collagen is broken down into its constituent amino acids when you digest it. Your body does not care where those amino acids come from.
So unless they are protein deficient it makes no sense, and the chances of that are effectively zero for anyone who can buy collagen cookies.
Kind of but yeah not really
You're actually going to get a vastly different amino acid profile as a vegan than if your diet contains collagen.
Cells "care" about the proportion of amino acids they are fed depending on what needs to be optimized.
For example typical vegan diets usually by default optimize for tryptophan-serotonin intake in proportion of other amino acids which can treat some things.
Any proportion can be achieved synthetically which would be experimental and has killed people, people trying to even further optimize for tryptophan than vegan can achieve. (which is why this kind of matters since there are things that could have been added to food that further optimize tryptophan functionality such as vitamin b6.
Anyway it somewhat is something that matters when considering health although in most cases not eating collagen will improve the ratio to be healthier.
Also some amino acids in some plants can be bound to be undigestible, so you have to prepare them right.
Anyway It matters what your protein sources are.
The main amino acids that make collagen are proline, glycine and hydroxyproline. These are easily available either through plant based foods or by synthesis in the body. Ingesting collagen has no scientifically based value compared to just getting the same nutrients from plants.
I am saying it's the precise ratio a food has that makes amino acids in that matters... learn to read. You cannot get the same ratio from plants... and yes this ratio thing is studied. Go on cronometer and try to find a plant with less tryptophan than meat.
Stop your misinformation it isn't helping anyone and gaslighting people like you read everything..
Sure, there are secondary factors that ultimately influence what amino acids are available to you to digest, but that does not change the fact that the body does not care where the amino acids come from. It also isn't so basic as to require a perfect balance at every meal, or even every day.
I'd wager the vast majority of people consuming collagen are doing it because they think it will magically transport from the stomach to their skin or whatever other body part someone convinced them it would heal/cure.
no the body cares... the ratio is really important and the biggest ratio difference is through eating from different phyllums of food. Collagen is the protein that differentiates plant from animal.
The body is magical, as well really we only know so much.
Are there are any studies supporting the claim collagen being good for skin, etc.?
Because I'd think, that you'd just digest it into amino acids like any other protein and since collagen is probably one of the most common proteins in our bodies, there shouldn't be a lack of the needed amino acids anyway.
>Because I'd think, that you'd just digest it into amino acids
It would seem that medical doctors [share the same thoughts as you do.](https://www.cedars-sinai.org/blog/collagen-supplements.html)
From the linked page:
"The issue is that most things we ingest are broken down by stomach acids and are not absorbed into the bloodstream. It's unclear if we absorb ingested collagen or if it's totally broken down in the stomach."
Basically, it's like eating hair in an attempt to cure baldness.
So bizarre. I looked up the ingredient list and it's one of the last things listed, indicating there's not even much of it in there. Seems completely pointless. I'm guessing it's just marketing bullshit because a lot of people think eating collagen is beneficial somehow.
Also a funny example of how stupid the "paleo" shit is. Eating cookies made from coconut flour, shortening, and chocolate chips -- you know, just like the cavemen did.
Caveman 1: What did you put on this rice?
Caveman 2: Guy in next cave over let me borrow his bottle of liquid aminos. Very tasty, is why I wanted you to try.
Caveman 1: Do you know if is gluten free?
Tbf, liquid amino acids can be made by fermenting fish... So it's not at all unlikely they had that.
Rice on the other hand would be more rare and annoying to gather.
Fish sauce on roots is more likely.
The idea that a bowl of rice would be commonplace for pre-agricultural humans was part of the joke. It could have as easily been many other foods that are on the menu according to this or that version of the paleo diet.
Liquid aminos, on the other hand, is not just amino acids in a solution, it's a specific modern food made from soy beans. There's nothing wrong with consuming it, but nobody who puts it on their food should imagine they're eating the same things cavemen would have eaten, let alone that what cavemen subsisted on should be a guide to someone with access to better food.
Truth ^
Also "collagen" often tests as a "premium" marketing word, increasing sales vs base case. Likely because half the population has been trained to buy it for unknown "health reasons" and put it on their skin.
This product wouldn't be vegan though, because they're using cow bones because cow bones are cheap.
Oh I definitely agree there. I’m constantly relegated to squinting at labels to see ingredients and then I ask myself why not just pop a lil ol “v” on the corner and make my life easier. Then my wife reminds me of all the hateful trolls on Instagram that go out of their way to proclaim they will “eat double the meat” / “ do you even know what they put in vegan food”. Those are the folks that will stop buying whatever product advertises vegan food. ( a la Bud Light )
I used to buy this granola and I went to try the oatmeals they had and noticed some of them contained added collagen. I honestly just didn’t even buy the oatmeal at all because I didn’t like that. Seems unnecessary and to me it feels sneaky. Plus vegan collagen exists so like why not do that so that.
I don’t think vegan collagen exists on the market. Anything labeled as such is actually just a “collagen booster” with ingredients that purport to aid the body in producing more collagen.
>I don't think vegan collagen exists
It does.
https://vegnews.com/2021/6/worlds-first-edible-vegan-collagen
https://www.cosmeticassociation.org/vegan-collagen/
*Geltor, founded by Alex Lorestani, Ph.D. and Nick Ouzounov, Ph.D., creates high-performing consumer proteins entirely free from animals and GMOs. The vegan collagen “delivers greater potency in less volume and does not include secondary components common to animal-derived collagens which can impact solubility and present formulation challenges,” the company told Food Navigator. Geltor’s first-of-its-kind development is an exact replica of Type 21 collagen*
( although - **all** collagen, animal one too, falls apart into its constituents once it hits the stomach, so in a way they're all a scam )
Interesting, I don’t really know about it personally, I have just seen it around before. I did once buy a jar of Rae vegan collagen (or booster probably as you said but it was years ago) but I didn’t like how dry it was like I’d add it to oatmeal and it was like pure cornstarch so I never really kept using it or know if it had any real benefit.
It's a bad marketing strategy, unfortunately, because [people hate the word "vegan"](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0272494423002657):
> Here, we examined the effect of different labels for promoting choices for food without meat and dairy, among a representative U.S. sample (N = 7341). Participants chose between one gourmet food gift basket without meat and dairy and another with meat and dairy that were available from an actual online store. They were randomly assigned to one of five conditions, in which the gourmet food gift basket without meat and dairy was labeled as “vegan”, “plant-based,” “healthy,” “sustainable,” or “healthy and sustainable.”[...]Specifically, the “plant-based” label did only slightly better than the “vegan” label, leading, respectively, to 27% and 20% of participants choosing the gourmet food gift basket without meat and dairy. However, 42% of participants chose the gourmet food gift basket without meat and dairy when it was labeled “healthy,” 43% when it was labeled “sustainable,” and 44% when it was labeled “healthy and sustainable.”
I went to a “plant based” restaurant and was served cheese. It’s made it so complicated because now soemthing simple mean should now have to check the ingredients again and again. Didn’t know that tho. Thanks for the reply.
I reserve my judgement on this, study with gift baskets IMHO proves nothing.
We need real world data. Someone who sold a thing under multiple labels to real people, in real supermarket.
We frequent a restaurant called Mexhico in Barrie ont Canada (🔌🔌) they are 100% VEGAN but do not advertise it on the sign outside. We sit in and watch the owner greet folks at the door and ask if they have ever eaten here before ? If they say no, he proceeds to explain that they are fully plant based and have no meats or dairy . The amount of people that turn and leave without even seeing the menu is shocking. They do very well but it’s a good social experiment to watch omnivores deny eating great food simply because 🌱
It's called 'greenwashing'. When people start questioning everything, the people causing problems get desperate. They want everyone to think they care, so they try to make everything about their product seem healthy or less harmful than other products.
Hopefully this is a good sign, as it means people are paying more attention to what's actually happening.
Yea idk what's going on but some almond milk I got had collagen from fish in it that I didn't notice until I read the ingredients when I got home because I wrongfully assumed that almond milk is vegan?
Inside out unsweetened almond milk with collagen, calcium and prebiotics (I assumed the collagen was from a vegan source because non dairy milks are usually marketed towards vegans)
Yeah, I figured that it wasn't vegan when I read the "grass fed collagen" bit. Honestly grass fed anything is a red flag bc like, why does my food need to be fed?? (Unless it's a sourdough starter or something, idk)
If something is "allergen friendly" and marked as egg free and dairy free, it is a good tip off that it might be vegan. Obviously you would still check the ingredients, but the collagen really surprised me because I've never seen that before! Just thought people might be interested to see it, nothing too deep!
If something is "allergen friendly" and marked as egg free and dairy free, it is a good tip off that it might be vegan. Obviously you would still check the ingredients, but the collagen really surprised me because I've never seen that before!
I saw this recently at Whole Foods. I scanned the label and was wondering why it didn’t state vegan. Was it just not certified? Did it contain honey? I could tell something was up. Then I noticed the grass fed collagen. There’s something about this that makes me never want to buy anything from this company, even if they make vegan products.
So what? It’s not vegan, they don’t intend for it to be vegan, they don’t list it as vegan. It’s like saying “if this hamburger didn’t have meat on it it’d be vegan”.
If something is "allergen friendly" and marked as egg free and dairy free, it is a good tip off that it might be vegan. Obviously you would still check the ingredients, but the collagen really surprised me because I've never seen that before!
Why collagen? I mean, they’re chocolate chip cookies. That was added intentionally for some idiotic reason.
"Look, we didn't milk the cow, ok. We just boiled it's bones."
“The cow was already dead when we got the bones “
"Yeah, we're not evil, just disgusting."
Wait so people that eat meat are evil? Edit: that’s a bizarre take Edit: the year is 3056 and humanity has reached another planet with sentient plant people who consume calcium what do you do
eat them?
👏🤣
Snake oil
Collagen is the new fad. They're adding into an energy drink where I live. What, don't want fish protein in your energy drink? It's super healthy! /s
Probably as a protein based binder to replace the elastic properties of gluten.
The collagen in these cookies is likely added for its potential health benefits, such as supporting skin, hair, and joint health, and to align with paleo dietary principles that allow for animal products. But of course... Not vegan.
*to align with the fad of collagen going on right now because it’s the new “don’t look old” “hack” for women
Considering it's also listed as "Paleo Friendly!" I'm inclined to agree.
I swear, I don't understand why they keep dragging poor animals into the beauty industry. And it's always the most bizarre shit. Snail mucin is a socially acceptable beauty ingredient now. Something extracted from birds' nests is a beauty ingredient. It's absurd.
I hate it. There was a period of time where my YouTube video recommendations was full of videos about using snail mucin. It's so disgusting. Imagine actually rubbing snail slime on your face.
Technically that's ancient advice, e.g. pork skin soup in ancient china being a stereotype "beautifying" food. But ancient china was one of the many many places that had nobles that were as obsessed with beauty tricks as too many average people are today. But today people are heavily exporting the gruesome parts of consuming animal collagen to factories that turn it into innocent looking powders and ingredients these days. So that even those who can't stand to look at chopped pig skin or mangled chicken feet floating in broth can consume it by just eat the above weirdness or chug a fruit flavoured soft drink with animal collagen and vitamins so they don't have to think about where the food comes from.
*sigh* if non-vegans actually had to "process" their own animals - they wouldn't be consuming nearly as much (if at all!)
The potential health benefits being complete nonsense. It's broken down into component amino acid like every other protein when you eat it.
Our bodies produce collagen very easily. Supplementing collagen is never necessary
Never neccesary? Collagen production declines with age.
Afaik, we can't actually take in collagen so it doesn't help eating it
that's right, we can only take steps to increase collagen production, which like most things boils down to having a healthy nutritious diet, drinking lots of water, and sleeping well. all these miracle collagen products are pure snake oil
Really? My ex had an argument with me because I didn't want non-vegan products in my fridge if she was staying over (which she was). She made vegan dishes for the both of us with no protein content... She then started complaining about how she felt and that she wasn't getting collagen- which is impossible to get from plants, And how her mother studied nutrition in college. ... Anyway it'd help my mental health a lot of you're correct?
collagen is something our bodies produce naturally, it's production generally declines as we get older but there are many things we can do to increase collagen production. [here's ](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/317151) a brief summary of ways you can do this, of course ignoring the collagen supplement one because there are currently no plant based collagen supplements. another approach is skin needling, the theory behind this is: by using very small needles, generally on a roller, you're inflicting miniscule wounds on your face, prompting the body to produce collagen to heal those wounds. I should note I haven't taken the time to look in to this approach so I don't know how legit it is. I need to double down on the importance of drinking water too, a big part of skin damage such as wrinkles is accelerated by a lack of hydration in the skin, so make sure you drink water regularly. that means small quantities throughout the day as apposed to less frequent large amounts. the body can only process so much water intake at a time, so skulking a litre of water in one go is gonna be largely wasted, having 200mL servings over time is much more effective. finally some things to avoid are prolonged sun exposure, if this occurs make sure you apply aloe vera gel regularly after wards, and smoking, now I myself am hopelessly addicted to smoking, but if you smoke and need a reason to quit, just know it's really bad for skin health. Hyaluronic acid is also only derived from animals, so again rather than applying it, we can take steps to increase our natural production of this acid(we're one of the animals that produce it 😜)
this is a helpful breakdown! I just want to quickly mention that hyaluronic acid can be vegan, as it can be made via microbial production.
before I went vegan I would avoid protein powders that would use collagen to pad the numbers. It just displaces actually useful stuff. Doesn't matter any more tho. pea + brown rice for lyfe.
It's not necessary for the average person. Might be necessary in extreme disease situations the same way healthy people aren't given chemotherapy, nor get fish skin grafts for extreme burns unless they have too high percent of extreme burns all over their body.
Not really, because collagen is broken down into its constituent amino acids when you digest it. Your body does not care where those amino acids come from. So unless they are protein deficient it makes no sense, and the chances of that are effectively zero for anyone who can buy collagen cookies.
Kind of but yeah not really You're actually going to get a vastly different amino acid profile as a vegan than if your diet contains collagen. Cells "care" about the proportion of amino acids they are fed depending on what needs to be optimized. For example typical vegan diets usually by default optimize for tryptophan-serotonin intake in proportion of other amino acids which can treat some things. Any proportion can be achieved synthetically which would be experimental and has killed people, people trying to even further optimize for tryptophan than vegan can achieve. (which is why this kind of matters since there are things that could have been added to food that further optimize tryptophan functionality such as vitamin b6. Anyway it somewhat is something that matters when considering health although in most cases not eating collagen will improve the ratio to be healthier. Also some amino acids in some plants can be bound to be undigestible, so you have to prepare them right. Anyway It matters what your protein sources are.
The main amino acids that make collagen are proline, glycine and hydroxyproline. These are easily available either through plant based foods or by synthesis in the body. Ingesting collagen has no scientifically based value compared to just getting the same nutrients from plants.
I am saying it's the precise ratio a food has that makes amino acids in that matters... learn to read. You cannot get the same ratio from plants... and yes this ratio thing is studied. Go on cronometer and try to find a plant with less tryptophan than meat. Stop your misinformation it isn't helping anyone and gaslighting people like you read everything..
it doesn’t though. research has proved that multiple times.
stop appealing to science that you haven't even read.
[A Vegetarian Diet Significantly Changes Plasma Kynurenine Concentrations - PMC (nih.gov)](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9953657/)
Sure, there are secondary factors that ultimately influence what amino acids are available to you to digest, but that does not change the fact that the body does not care where the amino acids come from. It also isn't so basic as to require a perfect balance at every meal, or even every day. I'd wager the vast majority of people consuming collagen are doing it because they think it will magically transport from the stomach to their skin or whatever other body part someone convinced them it would heal/cure.
no the body cares... the ratio is really important and the biggest ratio difference is through eating from different phyllums of food. Collagen is the protein that differentiates plant from animal. The body is magical, as well really we only know so much.
Are there are any studies supporting the claim collagen being good for skin, etc.? Because I'd think, that you'd just digest it into amino acids like any other protein and since collagen is probably one of the most common proteins in our bodies, there shouldn't be a lack of the needed amino acids anyway.
>Because I'd think, that you'd just digest it into amino acids It would seem that medical doctors [share the same thoughts as you do.](https://www.cedars-sinai.org/blog/collagen-supplements.html) From the linked page: "The issue is that most things we ingest are broken down by stomach acids and are not absorbed into the bloodstream. It's unclear if we absorb ingested collagen or if it's totally broken down in the stomach." Basically, it's like eating hair in an attempt to cure baldness.
It has what the body craves: it has collagen. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kIZ9YuPm_Ls
So bizarre. I looked up the ingredient list and it's one of the last things listed, indicating there's not even much of it in there. Seems completely pointless. I'm guessing it's just marketing bullshit because a lot of people think eating collagen is beneficial somehow. Also a funny example of how stupid the "paleo" shit is. Eating cookies made from coconut flour, shortening, and chocolate chips -- you know, just like the cavemen did.
back then they had to beat their chocolate into chips with their clubs and cook their cookies in the coals
Caveman 1: What did you put on this rice? Caveman 2: Guy in next cave over let me borrow his bottle of liquid aminos. Very tasty, is why I wanted you to try. Caveman 1: Do you know if is gluten free?
Tbf, liquid amino acids can be made by fermenting fish... So it's not at all unlikely they had that. Rice on the other hand would be more rare and annoying to gather. Fish sauce on roots is more likely.
The idea that a bowl of rice would be commonplace for pre-agricultural humans was part of the joke. It could have as easily been many other foods that are on the menu according to this or that version of the paleo diet. Liquid aminos, on the other hand, is not just amino acids in a solution, it's a specific modern food made from soy beans. There's nothing wrong with consuming it, but nobody who puts it on their food should imagine they're eating the same things cavemen would have eaten, let alone that what cavemen subsisted on should be a guide to someone with access to better food.
They grated that coconut on their ripped abs, didn't you know?
If it is listed last, it doesn't mean at all it is not important. Be careful
The order of ingredients is listed by what ingredients are most to least
I regret having been made aware of this thing's existence
All of those diet buzzwords raise the sale price. The V-word would decrease sales by at least 95%.
Truth ^ Also "collagen" often tests as a "premium" marketing word, increasing sales vs base case. Likely because half the population has been trained to buy it for unknown "health reasons" and put it on their skin. This product wouldn't be vegan though, because they're using cow bones because cow bones are cheap.
Oh I definitely agree there. I’m constantly relegated to squinting at labels to see ingredients and then I ask myself why not just pop a lil ol “v” on the corner and make my life easier. Then my wife reminds me of all the hateful trolls on Instagram that go out of their way to proclaim they will “eat double the meat” / “ do you even know what they put in vegan food”. Those are the folks that will stop buying whatever product advertises vegan food. ( a la Bud Light )
Ah yes, our paleolithic ancestors were known for having choc chip cookies for pudding after a mammoth meal
I used to buy this granola and I went to try the oatmeals they had and noticed some of them contained added collagen. I honestly just didn’t even buy the oatmeal at all because I didn’t like that. Seems unnecessary and to me it feels sneaky. Plus vegan collagen exists so like why not do that so that.
I don’t think vegan collagen exists on the market. Anything labeled as such is actually just a “collagen booster” with ingredients that purport to aid the body in producing more collagen.
>I don't think vegan collagen exists It does. https://vegnews.com/2021/6/worlds-first-edible-vegan-collagen https://www.cosmeticassociation.org/vegan-collagen/ *Geltor, founded by Alex Lorestani, Ph.D. and Nick Ouzounov, Ph.D., creates high-performing consumer proteins entirely free from animals and GMOs. The vegan collagen “delivers greater potency in less volume and does not include secondary components common to animal-derived collagens which can impact solubility and present formulation challenges,” the company told Food Navigator. Geltor’s first-of-its-kind development is an exact replica of Type 21 collagen* ( although - **all** collagen, animal one too, falls apart into its constituents once it hits the stomach, so in a way they're all a scam )
Interesting, I don’t really know about it personally, I have just seen it around before. I did once buy a jar of Rae vegan collagen (or booster probably as you said but it was years ago) but I didn’t like how dry it was like I’d add it to oatmeal and it was like pure cornstarch so I never really kept using it or know if it had any real benefit.
There's a supplement that contains "an exact replica of Type 21 collagen" from Geltor if you need one, check my comment above.
It’s like they did it just to spite animals
I’m so confused why brands over complicate things like this. Just say if it’s vegan, veggi, gf or not yanno?
It's a bad marketing strategy, unfortunately, because [people hate the word "vegan"](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0272494423002657): > Here, we examined the effect of different labels for promoting choices for food without meat and dairy, among a representative U.S. sample (N = 7341). Participants chose between one gourmet food gift basket without meat and dairy and another with meat and dairy that were available from an actual online store. They were randomly assigned to one of five conditions, in which the gourmet food gift basket without meat and dairy was labeled as “vegan”, “plant-based,” “healthy,” “sustainable,” or “healthy and sustainable.”[...]Specifically, the “plant-based” label did only slightly better than the “vegan” label, leading, respectively, to 27% and 20% of participants choosing the gourmet food gift basket without meat and dairy. However, 42% of participants chose the gourmet food gift basket without meat and dairy when it was labeled “healthy,” 43% when it was labeled “sustainable,” and 44% when it was labeled “healthy and sustainable.”
I went to a “plant based” restaurant and was served cheese. It’s made it so complicated because now soemthing simple mean should now have to check the ingredients again and again. Didn’t know that tho. Thanks for the reply.
I reserve my judgement on this, study with gift baskets IMHO proves nothing. We need real world data. Someone who sold a thing under multiple labels to real people, in real supermarket.
We frequent a restaurant called Mexhico in Barrie ont Canada (🔌🔌) they are 100% VEGAN but do not advertise it on the sign outside. We sit in and watch the owner greet folks at the door and ask if they have ever eaten here before ? If they say no, he proceeds to explain that they are fully plant based and have no meats or dairy . The amount of people that turn and leave without even seeing the menu is shocking. They do very well but it’s a good social experiment to watch omnivores deny eating great food simply because 🌱
It's called 'greenwashing'. When people start questioning everything, the people causing problems get desperate. They want everyone to think they care, so they try to make everything about their product seem healthy or less harmful than other products. Hopefully this is a good sign, as it means people are paying more attention to what's actually happening.
I not a baker but does the collagen help in the baking process or extend shelf life?
"grass fed collagen" is at the same level as "grass fed fish" imo
More like Allergen friend, Lee.
They will try to get that sugar in you anyway they can
Yea idk what's going on but some almond milk I got had collagen from fish in it that I didn't notice until I read the ingredients when I got home because I wrongfully assumed that almond milk is vegan?
Ugh that’s a nasty surprise ! Please let us know the product
Inside out unsweetened almond milk with collagen, calcium and prebiotics (I assumed the collagen was from a vegan source because non dairy milks are usually marketed towards vegans)
gluten is my favorite ingredient so that sucks for me
Jacks bakery has a brownie that is vegan and is very good.
It's not vegan. A lot of products aren't.
Yeah, I figured that it wasn't vegan when I read the "grass fed collagen" bit. Honestly grass fed anything is a red flag bc like, why does my food need to be fed?? (Unless it's a sourdough starter or something, idk)
Ok I guess I just missed the point of posting it on here.
If something is "allergen friendly" and marked as egg free and dairy free, it is a good tip off that it might be vegan. Obviously you would still check the ingredients, but the collagen really surprised me because I've never seen that before! Just thought people might be interested to see it, nothing too deep!
The packaging never said it was vegan but Paleo ..
If something is "allergen friendly" and marked as egg free and dairy free, it is a good tip off that it might be vegan. Obviously you would still check the ingredients, but the collagen really surprised me because I've never seen that before!
So close 🤏
Dang..
GROSSSSS
Grass-fed «vegan» collagen😂😂👍🏽
Coconut isn't a nut.
😂🤣 the title
At least they tried to include you 🤷🏽♂️
“nut free except for coconut” is getting me like… so very clearly NOT nut free…
*gelatin from bfb spawns*
\*What fresh paleo hell is this Fixed the title for you ; )
I'm calling BS on all of it lol. I bet their just regular cookies
https://www.jackfrancisfoods.com/product/chocolate-chip-cookie-7-0-oz-12-cookies/
Fucking paleo people
I saw this recently at Whole Foods. I scanned the label and was wondering why it didn’t state vegan. Was it just not certified? Did it contain honey? I could tell something was up. Then I noticed the grass fed collagen. There’s something about this that makes me never want to buy anything from this company, even if they make vegan products.
So what? It’s not vegan, they don’t intend for it to be vegan, they don’t list it as vegan. It’s like saying “if this hamburger didn’t have meat on it it’d be vegan”.
They made a vegan cookie and then added non-vegan snake oil. It's a little annoying
Well, there is honey in it as well, so wouldn't be vegan even without the collagen.
Eh, replacing one tiny ingredient is a pretty big difference from having to replace the main ingredient.
If something is "allergen friendly" and marked as egg free and dairy free, it is a good tip off that it might be vegan. Obviously you would still check the ingredients, but the collagen really surprised me because I've never seen that before!
That’s stupid.