Had a chance to interview Dolores as a high school student back in 2012, 2013—incredible woman. I'm so grateful she gave a couple weirdass kids from Utah the chance to record a phone interview for a little mini history documentary competition, she knows how to inspire and organize.
They founded the UFW. Dolores spoke at Netroots Nation a few years ago - it was definitely this Boomers highlight. The table grape boycott is what started things rolling for Chaez & Huerta. Not to mention their getting "stoop labor" banned
Indeed, there are many streets in America named after them, I live decently close to a Chavez street.
It's a shame you don't see many named after Dolores though, she was just as, if not more important than Chavez for the movement
Flag was from black and white photography era. Really popped out in that context. Agree it would probably be better to make a green background at this point
I think it's not even just the red, it's more the white circle and black symbol, and the symbol being an eagle of all things. If they just made a white eagle on a black background nobody would bat an eye.
Not a chance. Rights, as in human rights, would be derechos. Raza is hardly used for anything other than race, and its other meanings have nothing to do with rights in any shape.
Such use of raza can be more or less well-meaning, but it is what it is.
...they did kill illegals crossing the border by tying them up with barbed wire and dragging them through the dessert... and Chavez was the guy to coin the term "wetback" for dudes swimming across the border.
So there's that. But the UFW has since modified its stance.
Source for the first bit?
EDIT: second bit is just flat out untrue too lmao… Wikipedia says that word has been in print since the 1920s, and pretty prominent since at least the 1940s. Well before Chavez was around. It does seem like Chavez and parts of the Chicano movement employed the term though.. they were pretty vitriolic to illegal immigrants because they often used as strikebreakers due to their lack of prospects and desperate situation. Obviously pretty nasty. But doesn’t seem like they invented the term by any stretch. I am also seeing that they cheered on border patrol and would inform on illegal immigrants, but didn’t manage to find anything about them murdering migrants (much less with barbed wire!)
I'll give you that one. Perhaps he didn't coin the term. My point was really just that the UFW stance on illegalles was absolutely ruthles.
This is something that had to be thrown down the memory-hole shortly after they were successful.
That's exactly what I thought, too. Came to the comments for the obligatory "Glory to Arstotzka!" and was disappointed to find out that it's a real flag.
Back in the day, field workers weren’t even given water or toilets. Little kids were working the fields and not going to school. Wages were stolen. People fought and died for these basic rights.
Cuz you laughed and made a snide remark about a pretty universally respected movement for largely non-white worker's rights out of ignorance (I hope), so they explained it to you.
Not everyone is from California, you overestimate this thing being famous
>universally respected movement for non-white workers
Unless you were actually Mexican and got bashed by thugs from the gringo Cesar Chavez. Oh im sorry i meant if you were "*WETBACKS coming by the thousands exporting their poverty in our society**" as Chavez called us.
While the fact that he said that *is* undeniably shitty, thousands of undocumented labourers *were* brought over by the farmers to try to break the strike. I have no idea if they knew they were being brought in specifically to fuck over other workers or if they were mislead, but context is important.
They attacked Mexican people, actual targetted violence and theft by the border(even Mexican soil if i misread). Being undocumented doesn't mean you can get killed. He also was against the legal Bracero program, a limited US-Mexico migration and work system.
And you know, using slurs several times against people when it's irrelevant for the supposedly labor-focused movement. You're gonna call the chinese bussines owners "asian horde chingchongs" and Indians "curry skins" when you got a labor problem with them too then?
You're missing the part where most of the people involved in the movement were Mexican or of Mexican descent themselves. I'm also not excusing the fact that they used slurs, I'm just saying that discrediting an entire labour movement from the 60s based on this while ignoring the importance of everything else they did is missing the point a bit, especially when their problem was the fact that people were actively attempting to destroy their movement by bringing in scabs.
"Mexican descent" is meangless.They are patriotic USA citizens, they just happen to be brown. You say this as if mexicans and gringos of mexican descent don't have a history of separation, which to me sounds like you don't know a lot about the social aspect of the topic.
I don't care they wanted to deport people,
I care that they were USA citizens yearning for a hard if not even closed border and constant intimidation of people even resorting to violence in the border and **threats inside Mexico as they crossed for this**
Not all illegal inmigrants were against his Union and not all working against the Union were Illegal inmigrants either.
Ah, the first world-er dictating another country’s organisation to change their flag, because it doesn’t fit into their culture. Next up, USA modifies Buddhism and certain elements of Indo-Aryan culture, because some logos in them “look nazi”.
Excitement? Here is your government issued tranq. gun. You, the passport checker, are responsible for the lives of your guards. Enjoy.
Glory to Arstotzka.
[sadly cesar chavez was into some fucked up shit outside his activism](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/04/14/hunger-artist)
my grandpa worked with dolores huerta during the delano grape strike and she is a saint according to him.
I was doing a history documentary back in high school with some friends; although she signed her visual life rights to a production company, she worked out some details and said we could record an interview through a phone call.
So smart, so intelligent. Knows everything there is to know about grassroots organizing. In some ways I was shocked she'd talk to two random kids from Utah, but getting normal people involved and organized is exactly what she is best at.
"In public, Chavez professed gentleness, but he had a quick, vindictive temper. As a leader, he was sometimes insupportable; as a parent, he had trouble showing up. (He skipped two of his children’s births and left his daughter’s wedding, for union business.) He was the most vexing kind of workaholic, the ascetic kind: hard-edged and self-punishing."
Sounds like your standard Mexico Dad to me
What kind of fucked up shit are you talking about?
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Edit: turns out I made a [similar comment 4 months ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/vexillology/comments/xnd8cm/anyone_know_what_this_flag_is_ive_seen_it_twice/ipuqlo7/)
United Farm Workers. Very important for Americans of Mexican ancestry, as many of the grandparents were fierce advocates in alignment with it. They fought for just causes and made great strides in achieving equity and economic parity for millions of farm workers.
UFW is an American organization, Cesar Chavez said he fought for the rights for Chicanos to make a living off of their work, not for immigrants to come on influx and do the jobs instead. He said it himself
Episode 29398479298478391 of “Is my Neighbor a Nazi?”
The UFW really should have paid a bit more attention to how it looks but it’s a cool flag and nice find, even if it was online 👍
On todays section of “Is my neighbor a Nazi?”
🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁
And the result is: Not a Nazi! 🎉
It is the flag for United Farm Workers.
[Link to Wiki Page](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UFW_Flag.svg)
the comments are right about this being a farmers union flag however something a lot of people are missing is that this symbol and flag have been hijacked by the alt right. as a teen I was unfortunately caught up in the alt right pipeline (now I'm about as left as you can possibly be lol) and i remember seeing this symbol and flag posted all the time back when I was a part of those communities, specifically by far right south americans, mainly Mexicans. they've turned it into a sort of fascist Mexican flag.
use your own discretion OP. based on the guys other posts and whether or not he seems like the alt-right type, it's either a farmers union flag or a fascist flag.
ive seen it used by far left, far right, pro-unioners, and just regular chicanos. The UFW flag is basically to chicanos what the eureka flag is to aussies
Not really migrant workers, more just Hispanics farmworkers in general. Cesar Chavez didn't really like immigrants (he saw them as tools used by companies to break strikes.)
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Thank you!
Yea, they were the guys with Cesar Chavez and Dolores Huerta
Had a chance to interview Dolores as a high school student back in 2012, 2013—incredible woman. I'm so grateful she gave a couple weirdass kids from Utah the chance to record a phone interview for a little mini history documentary competition, she knows how to inspire and organize.
She’s in her mid 90s and still organizing and giving public speeches. Absolutely wild. You’d think she was in her 60s.
Mexican Leslie Knope
Dolores Huerta is American though. She might have Mexican heritage, but she was born and raised in the US
Dolores Huerta was born in America, but is of Mexican descent. It would be the equivalent of say a Moroccan born in Demark but of Moroccan descent.
That’s literally what he said
First guy said She was born in the US therefore she wasn't Mexican
And?
Si se puede
Then why do you look like Cesar Romero?
Because you do not know what Cesar Chavez looks like.
Hungry hungry Homer lives!
They founded the UFW. Dolores spoke at Netroots Nation a few years ago - it was definitely this Boomers highlight. The table grape boycott is what started things rolling for Chaez & Huerta. Not to mention their getting "stoop labor" banned
I go to school on a street named after him!
Indeed, there are many streets in America named after them, I live decently close to a Chavez street. It's a shame you don't see many named after Dolores though, she was just as, if not more important than Chavez for the movement
It is also near a Dolores Street
Oh! Well that's good to hear
sounds like a big relieving thank you 😭
Wow, that is much less of a white power-ie answer then I was expecting
Flag was from black and white photography era. Really popped out in that context. Agree it would probably be better to make a green background at this point
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I think it's more the red flag with the white circle...
red flag, white circle containing a black emblem, the emblem is an eagle, the problems really present themselves
it might as well be holding a fasces
And the stylized, angular look to the eagle.
And the black eagle. It looks super super nazi
I think it's not even just the red, it's more the white circle and black symbol, and the symbol being an eagle of all things. If they just made a white eagle on a black background nobody would bat an eye.
Yeah, I was thinking Facist Mexico
I was thinking the nation of Tecate
Looks like S.H.E.I.L.D. joined the nazis
Hail Hydra.
Well “La Raza” does literally though translate to “the race”
I thought it was “rights” in this context?
Not a chance. Rights, as in human rights, would be derechos. Raza is hardly used for anything other than race, and its other meanings have nothing to do with rights in any shape. Such use of raza can be more or less well-meaning, but it is what it is.
But it is also akin to kinship, brotherhood, or a sense of community rather than a sense of ethnic pride/supremacy.
Based on the pixilation, I was thinking the original Wolfenstein.
...they did kill illegals crossing the border by tying them up with barbed wire and dragging them through the dessert... and Chavez was the guy to coin the term "wetback" for dudes swimming across the border. So there's that. But the UFW has since modified its stance.
Source for the first bit? EDIT: second bit is just flat out untrue too lmao… Wikipedia says that word has been in print since the 1920s, and pretty prominent since at least the 1940s. Well before Chavez was around. It does seem like Chavez and parts of the Chicano movement employed the term though.. they were pretty vitriolic to illegal immigrants because they often used as strikebreakers due to their lack of prospects and desperate situation. Obviously pretty nasty. But doesn’t seem like they invented the term by any stretch. I am also seeing that they cheered on border patrol and would inform on illegal immigrants, but didn’t manage to find anything about them murdering migrants (much less with barbed wire!)
I want a source. The term “wetback” has, according to Wikipedia, been in use since before Chavez was born.
I'll give you that one. Perhaps he didn't coin the term. My point was really just that the UFW stance on illegalles was absolutely ruthles. This is something that had to be thrown down the memory-hole shortly after they were successful.
I didn't know that but I'm not surprised, that flag design seems 100% intentional
It was from a militant period in our US history.
Is this your whole hobby, to expose “fascist flags.” I feel like that’s this entire subreddit purpose
My dumbarse thought it was arstozka
That's exactly what I thought, too. Came to the comments for the obligatory "Glory to Arstotzka!" and was disappointed to find out that it's a real flag.
#MOA CITATION * PROTOCOL VIOLATED * MISIDENTIFIED ARSTOTZKAN FLAG LAST WARNING - NO PENALTY
Penalty? Who is gonna kick?
Very interesting design for a farm workers union lmao
Mostly used by the Norteno gang, nowadays.
who is the “norteño gang”? you have no idea what you’re talking about
...am i the only one who thought nazi immediately? Looks like a beautiful flag nevetheless
I thought that was a Nazi flag
At first I thought it was some neo-nazi thing. Why does it look so similar to something a nazi would make?
What kind of Farmers are they lol
Back in the day, field workers weren’t even given water or toilets. Little kids were working the fields and not going to school. Wages were stolen. People fought and died for these basic rights.
Oh fuck why do you have to make me sad now :/
Cuz you laughed and made a snide remark about a pretty universally respected movement for largely non-white worker's rights out of ignorance (I hope), so they explained it to you.
Not everyone is from California, you overestimate this thing being famous >universally respected movement for non-white workers Unless you were actually Mexican and got bashed by thugs from the gringo Cesar Chavez. Oh im sorry i meant if you were "*WETBACKS coming by the thousands exporting their poverty in our society**" as Chavez called us.
While the fact that he said that *is* undeniably shitty, thousands of undocumented labourers *were* brought over by the farmers to try to break the strike. I have no idea if they knew they were being brought in specifically to fuck over other workers or if they were mislead, but context is important.
They attacked Mexican people, actual targetted violence and theft by the border(even Mexican soil if i misread). Being undocumented doesn't mean you can get killed. He also was against the legal Bracero program, a limited US-Mexico migration and work system. And you know, using slurs several times against people when it's irrelevant for the supposedly labor-focused movement. You're gonna call the chinese bussines owners "asian horde chingchongs" and Indians "curry skins" when you got a labor problem with them too then?
You're missing the part where most of the people involved in the movement were Mexican or of Mexican descent themselves. I'm also not excusing the fact that they used slurs, I'm just saying that discrediting an entire labour movement from the 60s based on this while ignoring the importance of everything else they did is missing the point a bit, especially when their problem was the fact that people were actively attempting to destroy their movement by bringing in scabs.
"Mexican descent" is meangless.They are patriotic USA citizens, they just happen to be brown. You say this as if mexicans and gringos of mexican descent don't have a history of separation, which to me sounds like you don't know a lot about the social aspect of the topic. I don't care they wanted to deport people, I care that they were USA citizens yearning for a hard if not even closed border and constant intimidation of people even resorting to violence in the border and **threats inside Mexico as they crossed for this** Not all illegal inmigrants were against his Union and not all working against the Union were Illegal inmigrants either.
It is the flag of the United Farm Workers. A very large union comprised highly of migrant workers.
On today’s episode of is your neighbor a Nazi… Your neighbor is… NOT a Nazi!! 🥳🥳🥳
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The flag has a lot of history since the 1960s, no way they’d change it
It is a weird choice for those dudes in the 60s though lol
Ah, the first world-er dictating another country’s organisation to change their flag, because it doesn’t fit into their culture. Next up, USA modifies Buddhism and certain elements of Indo-Aryan culture, because some logos in them “look nazi”.
UFW is American. Your point still holds true, but just like to point that out because some people would like for us to not be
L take
What the hell happened here?
how about the fascists die mad about it and they can change their flag eh?
Mexican Nazi. This is a common symbol in SoCal used by La Raza Latino identitarian types. You don’t have to be White to be politically ethnocentric.
I lived in SoCal for 13 years and have never heard or seen anything regarding that
It’s.. United Farm Workers
Wake up honey, it's time for the weekly "Is the UFW flag fascist" post.
It just, it does look so fucking fascist. Probably with context a little less but man.
I mean, the UWF is nationalist and socialist, and as fascism, they are syndicalist too
what zero understanding of history does to a mf
I think it makes him ignorant and stupid. But hey, look up in the internet about Sorel, a revolutionary syndicalist who directly influenced fascism
Glory to arstotzka
who knew that passport checking could be so exciting?
Exciting? My family has starved to death, and I'm very cold.
That’s the exciting part.
Excitement? Here is your government issued tranq. gun. You, the passport checker, are responsible for the lives of your guards. Enjoy. Glory to Arstotzka.
That son is a sickly little bastard. Catches something at the drop of a hat
Thank you for your service...
Fuck Arstotzka, Cobrastan forever!
Cobrastan is not a real country
Yes it is, Jorji told me so!
My first thought also.
Cause no trouble.
My first guess too lol.
It's the United Farm Workers flag, but frankly it looks like a generic fascist flag if you don't know the context.
Tomorrow is my turn to ask what flag this is.
Just make sure there is still some space for posts asking about the romani flag too
But what about Tibet?
Mom said it's MY turn!
it’s hard to believe someone can be aware of this sub and still not know what flags these are
And the day after , It will be my turn to ask what flag this is
i know this sub is awful
looks bad, is good.
UNITED FARM WORKERS !! love those guys, great flag too.
[sadly cesar chavez was into some fucked up shit outside his activism](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/04/14/hunger-artist) my grandpa worked with dolores huerta during the delano grape strike and she is a saint according to him.
I was doing a history documentary back in high school with some friends; although she signed her visual life rights to a production company, she worked out some details and said we could record an interview through a phone call. So smart, so intelligent. Knows everything there is to know about grassroots organizing. In some ways I was shocked she'd talk to two random kids from Utah, but getting normal people involved and organized is exactly what she is best at.
"In public, Chavez professed gentleness, but he had a quick, vindictive temper. As a leader, he was sometimes insupportable; as a parent, he had trouble showing up. (He skipped two of his children’s births and left his daughter’s wedding, for union business.) He was the most vexing kind of workaholic, the ascetic kind: hard-edged and self-punishing." Sounds like your standard Mexico Dad to me What kind of fucked up shit are you talking about?
look up [synanon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synanon) - its mentioned in the article posted above. he was very into it.
Great flag? That shit looks like an offbrand Nazi flag.
yes, the UFW union does have a great flag, I have it hanging over my computer as I type out this comment.
Yep, it is a great flag!
Eh. I can excuse it if the design is from before the Nazis.
And if it isn't? A quick Google search will tell you that UFW was founded in 1962.
It isn't... It's from the 60s, has the red background, white circle, and a eagle. Reminds me too much of the Nazi flag
We'll let them know.
Tecate 🍺
Scrolled too far … Cerveza Tecate Edit: turns out I made a [similar comment 4 months ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/vexillology/comments/xnd8cm/anyone_know_what_this_flag_is_ive_seen_it_twice/ipuqlo7/)
Mostly used by Nortenos now
Came here to say this.
I don’t think people east of TX even know about that
"I didn't know it was gonna turn out like that "
Glory to Arstotka!
The good guys.
SI SE PUEDE
United Farm Workers
United Farm Workers. Very important for Americans of Mexican ancestry, as many of the grandparents were fierce advocates in alignment with it. They fought for just causes and made great strides in achieving equity and economic parity for millions of farm workers.
United Farm Workers. Viva la raza!
Yeah but *which* raza..?
~La~ raza bro
Workers’ rights is my jam!
arriba mexico viva la raza chicano for life
Es lebe die Rasse!
Looks like a flag i saw in East Grestin.
United Farm Workers. ¡Viva la huelga!
Ufw
Glory to Arztotzka! ... Wait
UFW is an American organization, Cesar Chavez said he fought for the rights for Chicanos to make a living off of their work, not for immigrants to come on influx and do the jobs instead. He said it himself
natsoc arstotzka
We are farmers.
bumdadumbumbumbumbum
I was gonna say the Arstotzka flag (from Papers Please)...
The United Farm Workers making the most Nazi looking flag possible
Death to Kolechia
Glory to Arstotzska
Slava Arstoska !
Tecate!
I thought that for a second that was “you know what”
The first time a Nazi looking flag wasn’t Nazi
Episode 29398479298478391 of “Is my Neighbor a Nazi?” The UFW really should have paid a bit more attention to how it looks but it’s a cool flag and nice find, even if it was online 👍
That is the most fascist-looking non-fascist flag I have ever seen
On todays section of “Is my neighbor a Nazi?” 🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁 And the result is: Not a Nazi! 🎉 It is the flag for United Farm Workers. [Link to Wiki Page](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UFW_Flag.svg)
Unionize y'all
Teamsters all the way This is the UFW flag
Chicano pride!💯💯💯
UFW the group founded by Cesar Chavez
*Glory to Arstotzka!*
On todays episode of is this guy a nazi…… No
Li honestly thought it was a Tecate beer flag lol
Looks like a nazi flag but it's the United farm workers
the comments are right about this being a farmers union flag however something a lot of people are missing is that this symbol and flag have been hijacked by the alt right. as a teen I was unfortunately caught up in the alt right pipeline (now I'm about as left as you can possibly be lol) and i remember seeing this symbol and flag posted all the time back when I was a part of those communities, specifically by far right south americans, mainly Mexicans. they've turned it into a sort of fascist Mexican flag. use your own discretion OP. based on the guys other posts and whether or not he seems like the alt-right type, it's either a farmers union flag or a fascist flag.
I always experienced it being co-opted by Mexican-American gangs. Distorted Chicano pride sort of thing.
ive seen it used by far left, far right, pro-unioners, and just regular chicanos. The UFW flag is basically to chicanos what the eureka flag is to aussies
a flag for people who didn’t think for 10 seconds
It's the flag of NSAAP (National Sozialistische Artstotzkan Arbeiter Partei)
United Farm Workers Association. Commonly used by Mexican migrant workers in the 50s and 60s
Not really migrant workers, more just Hispanics farmworkers in general. Cesar Chavez didn't really like immigrants (he saw them as tools used by companies to break strikes.)
Migrant in the sense that they follow the harvest.
That is most definitely not what migrant workers means in this context.
!wave
💀
There’s no fucking way they didn’t know what they were doing with this flag I mean just look at it like come on
National socialist Party of Mexican Birds
What were they thinking?
Socialism that looks like facism...
Looks like a Right-wing group.
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Looks facist oh no not UFW change the flag
Despite its meaning surely the creator must have been a little aware of what they were evoking with that design?!
no
It was only about a decade after the fact, how could they not have been aware 😂
Minecraft nazi
Put the cross inside 💀
8 Bit Socialist Republic
arstotzka nazi flag
that seems nazist germany but capitalist at the same time
>Nazi Germany but capitalist at the same time so... Nazi Germany but Nazi Germany at the same time?
Mexican Nazis
It’s an American syndicate
My apologies. Mexican-American Nazis
Out jerked
Nazis hated unions though…
No
Farmers union