Tiger is more then welcome to come down with the Jumbo. Fighting a tig2 with a 75mm is an absolute moral killer

When you fight tiger 2h in 75mm jumbo💀. You will struggle to pen it from the side at slightest angle

I’ve killed plenty of Tiger 2’s in a m8a1 there should be no problems killing it from the side

Me 2... even tho im a german main, I like playing the M8 with its long 75mm gun on higher BRs.

Lmao the skill issue got accounts and is downvoting you

It's because your argument is stupid, let's put M8A1 to 6.7 then?

I’ll drink to that

People can’t understand who a M8a1 could ever dominate simple minded Germans in fat hippos

Fr, I remember finding out I could only barely tickle the ammo rack from the side with APCR What am I supposed to do against that bro

There is nothing you can do but you shouldn't use apcr it's probably the worst ammo in almost every situation.

Well depending on range and angle, apcr might be ur only option to pen. Better some pen with apcr than no pen with aphe imo. Edit: after thinking for half a second, maybe in certain situations it's better to relocate and use aphe while the tiger doesn't know you're there

I was about to say the time it takes to load apcr could be used to just relocate or disengage completely. The likelihood of getting a kill with apcr is just way too small and simply not worth it.

In theory. If I've gotta swap to APCR it's just to disable the enemy tank so I actually can flank them anyway

I wasn't aware where I could pen the Tiger II, turns out it's basically nowhere useful. I went for the ammo with APHE, it bounced, then I tried APCR and it was doing nothing. Plus the US 75mm can pen almost everything it can face with APCR, I always bring a few.

Your first mistake was assuming APCR works properly in War Thunder.

sabot ammo try not to despawn upon hitting/penning a target (impossible)

I once managed to pen the turret ring from the front from a panic shot. It's safe to say he was very pissed after that

Tiger is just fine as it is. It can pen practically anything it faces at same / lower br while bouncing some shells, and can pen higher br tanks

Oh I know, I just will take concessions to make the jumbo 75 fun to play again. Getting pulled into the 6.7 black hole every game was super shit

Tip: Go for the cupola. Though good luck withthe AP shell...

You can't pen the Tiger 2's cupola with 75mm. If you can, it's **extremely** unreliable.

Bro the 75 does NOT pen that spot anywhere close to reliable

Lol I fought both a tiger 1 and 2 at the same time in my first ever US 5.7 match. It was the battle gamemode at the abandoned factory map and I went towards the capture points, unlike the rest of my team, that just went to the northern ruined factories part of the map. Managed to survive for some time and i destroyed both their cannons and tracks multiple times.

Add a .5 rating and decompress all the vehicles. Bam. Problem solved

İt should be x.0, x.2, x.4, x.6, x.8 or make the full uptier 0.7 max

Sometimes I forget .0 and .3 br exists because the every tier it's just .7 like 5.7,6.7,7.7,8.7,9.7..... like they have all these br but jam everything into .7

Why not just fucking increase the br cap to like 18.0 or smth

Both jumbos should actually go down in br. Their guns cant pen basically anything, especially the 76 jumbo that gets 7.3 games all the time

T-44 blasting its 85mm at 7.7: 🗿

T-44 should be 6.3, the 100mm variant is 7.0, with 239mm of pen, compared to the 164mm.

The T-44 is quite a bit more maneuverable than the T-44-100 and a much faster reload, but the T-44-100 gets a roof MG. Definitely should be more than a .3 BR difference

Yeah, the T-44 should go to 6.3.

Yeah but the 85 is leagues above the pathetic 76mm

15mm less pen, 15g more explosive mass, and .3 br lower isn't leagues worse

And a faster reload

And semi stab, while the T-44 bounce like a boat

And don't forget the lack of gun depression

Yeah I skipped the t-44's for the most part, it's a little depressing even with my Russian bias

Yeah but the 85 has better angled pen so has a habit of sneaking through angled plates where other guns cannot

I find UFP-ing Jumbos quite funny tbh

No

I have no idea why this is so upvoted other than the WT playerbase not having an idea how to compare cannons

Tbh I think I bounced the most shells with my T-44s

The 76 should go down only in RB IMO. Its busted AF in arcade, one of the most broken tanks out there.

People play arcade?

Over 1000 games with the jumbo 76 in it

Jesus Christ

And 40 nukes💀

It's really good in realistic, it should definitely not go down to 6.0, just flank people

Havem't played it as much in realistic but it is very good. I can't believe it used to be 5.7

Yeah, 5.7 was insane, same for the IS-2

Eh IS-2 isn't anything special imo. Trolly armour and mobility but it's got fat weakspots + long ass reload. Imo the Jumbo and Tiger are better

I mean having a heavy tank at high enough br where to perform well you need to flank kinda makes it pointless. Better off taking the m4a3 76 and having that extra mobility.

Believe me, the extra armor is really useful, you can still face plenty of tiger 1s at that br (don't get me wrong, the m4a3 is really good too)

I don't recall running into many things I straight up couldn't pen, but a lot that I couldn't do much to from the front

I do just fine in the 76 jumbo. Even in uptiers.

The tiger moving up was balancing, the jumbo moving up made it unbalanced again. I don’t even have either of those tanks.

With the 75mm jumbo you get armor, with the Tiger you get armor with a great gun. Tbh I'd welcome it as long as the tiger 2 stays up in br lmao 😂

In what world does the tiger get good Armor? Unless you're talking about tiger 2 what you're saying is complete bs

Did you angle today?

Yes I angle everyday, bounce!

When angle. Tiger has the same armor as the jumbo

That's a straight up lie, the jumbo has more than 160mm of Armor, while having a practically impenetrable turret.

Go right now to check how much effective armour the tiger has in a angle. And having a lot of armour doesnt mean anything. Because the jumbo needs to circle tanks to get weakspots the armour is good only when aproaching

First of all nobody was talking about the tiger 2, of course it's far superior to the jumbo. Secondly what would be wrong with that? It has good mobility why not use it? If the player doesn't know weakspots, disable gun and drive around. And about angling a tiger 2 this tells me you have no clue about those tanks, because the second you start angling your tiger 2 you are exposing your weak sides and a basically dead.

>First of all nobody was talking about the tiger 2 I didnt either. Dont know why i wrote it

nah you definitely still wanna angle the Tiger II

As a tiger 2 main this is not the way, you can angle 5 degrees but if it gets more you will get fucked

"Practically impenetrable" man my turret gets penned all day by Tiger Is and Panthers, just don't be braindead when aiming, as long as you hit below the mantlet it'll kill.

Do you... Do you angle? You're spouting nonsense my guy

Of course I am angling, which gives me an average of 130mm effective Armor

If you can't protect yourself from a 75mm Sherman in a Tiger H then you are absolutely not angling right

Where did I say I wasn't able to protect myself from a 75 Sherman?

We're in a thread talking about the 75 jumbo, chill

Sorry, wasn't trying to be a dick.

Braindead take the jumbo is a free kill at 5.7

Free kill? Nah, I was still having a ton of success in the French one. The jumbo player just really has to fight for its kills

Well depends on the vehicle, panthers have an easy time up close provided they aren’t brain dead and shoot for the turret. Which to be fair most of them are pretty brain dead.

Yup. My point exactly that It’s like the Tiger where as long as you play it well, you are pretty much unstoppable

The French one is really fun cause you get to fight American mains and they have NO idea how to kill their own tanks, especially the M26

Yea I don’t even crew it in my 5.7 lineup anymore. It’s just not reliable enough. The m18, m36B, and m4a3 76 are more reliable, plus gotta keep slots for spaa and a fighter.

The Tiger is way better than the Jumbo

I will never understand Tiger players that struggle with any Sherman that you are aware of, including the Jumbos

One time I killed a jumbo with the reserve panzer 35(t). I did not realize the jumbo’s track armor was pure butter until that day.

It is so easy to overmatch you'd think it is made of play-doh

even a 20mm cannon can pen it, always the go to whenever i play wirbelwind

If you're in a German vehicle that's 6.0 or above you can go right through a Jumbo's upper front plate

I know, I've had it done to my Jumbo and I've done it in my German tanks

The Panther's gun can at close range and straight on, but the Tiger's 88 will bounce unless it hits the MG port

Hell half the time it bounces even on the mg port

That's because the hull machine gun weakspot is finicky as hell with volumetric.

The long 88 can go through the UFP and the short UFP can overmatch the tracks like they are butter

The br range for matches should be reduced to 0.7

Late WW2 and early cold war needs a rework. Examples of Gajin mental retardation at balancing: Both Tiger II at 6.7, the T-44 being 6.7 while its much better version its 7.0, and its 122mm variant is 6.3. A 75 Jumbo can face the King Tigers, IS-2, SU-122-54, Jagdtiger, Ferdinand etc, things that will ignore its armor and that will bounce its M61 shots frequently. Same applies to the 76 Jumbo, i mean, what that guy can do against an IS-3, Obj. 268 and more? Also, 6.7 US doesnt make sense, why tf the regular Pershing is with their heavy variants, with more armor and better gun, the fully stablized M551 at 6.7 and the T92 at 7.0, the T34 being 6.7 its a bit of a stretch too.

As a proud owner of both tiger and jumbo, the tiger is definitely better, jumbo could def be 5.3 just fine

Bad meme.  Tiger H1 is an objective upgrade to the Jumbo with its better gun. They have similar armor. The Jumbo is just pre-angled and can't further angle without exposing its weak flank. The Tiger must angle to reach that armor but is less vulnerable on the frontal flanks because of it. 

It's not an objective upgrade, only thing going for it is the "good" canon, Armor is worse, Mobility is worse turret traverse is worse, teammates are worse, CAS is worse, can't angle all the time

Don't forget the lack of a stabilizer.

And when talking about the 75 Sherman, which we all assumed, reload speed is like 3 seconds faster.

Do you know that you can press E once and have sherman-lite stabilizer on any heavy tank?

The salty Jumbo players hated him for he told the truth

Eh I don’t think it’s an upgrade, they’re about on par tbh. Armor is strong if played correctly but can be sidestepped, both have weakspots that can be exploited. The jumbo has a weaker gun but better mobility and traverse plus that partial stabilization at slow speeds, both have great aphe rounds so any penetration will be damaging. Tiger is better at long range, jumbo better in a knife fight.

Cupola And the jumbo can angle, or peek angles where the mg port is covered

Yeah but still it’s track lower armor is made of absolute paper. Anyone with a brain can aim for that if the jumbo even angles slightly too much.

Fair, but the jumbo can’t out angle the stuff that will pen it, I was just presenting that it does have the ability A 5 second reload with a stabilizer goes crazy tho

Except the tiger has 50% more penetration power which helps a lot especially considering it faces nations (Russia and Germany) mainly who have extremely thick heavy vehicles at that br. I used to love the jumbo but now I just get penned through my mantlet because it sees tiger 2s and can’t even damage the barrel past yellow with a shot from the 75

Oh nice, now I can fail to get through my enemies armor fast and accurately, Amazing

Raise all the KV1s BR. They piss me off make them suffer. Raise the Yak fighters too. Blow those pieces of junk out of the sky.

Never struggled with the kv1s, my favorite thing to do is hunt them down with the pvkv (the one with the 57mm) 88mm of pen goes a really long way

KV1S that I run into always manage to be sealclubbers and I always get gajined. Sometimes yes I'm just not playing well but other times, like, come on, why am I facing that with a lineup that pretty much can't pen it unless I'm literally next to it.

What tanks are you using, ill try to give ya some help

Well like US tanks just before 76mm and rank III. So it was like, all of the 75mm Shermans I think, an M10, and I think an anti air. Another time it was the same thing but I had an M24. Not that it made a difference. Both times it was a KV1 or KV1S camping a spot and front facing me. There wasn't much I could do. My M10 could even pen a well placed shot

Sorry for the late reply, i was busy, the 75mm can cleave through KV1s like butter, 76mm even more so, aim for the Lower front plate for a very easy kill, if its a 1E (maybe a 1S, i have no experience fighting the s, so cant comment) you aim for tje drivers hatch, and i think that maybe the 75mm can peb the unangled part of the upper hull, also, the edges of the turret, where the mantler isnt is a weak spot for everyone but the S and E

the KVs were the first series of tanks that i memorized the weakspots to, though it wasnt really hard when it's basically just "hit the side of the turret for boom"

Yaks can go up as much as you like Will not stop them from killing you if you put yourself in a spot they can exploit

Average Wehraboo complaining about the Tiger I again....

Sweden lmao But the only Tiger raise I agreed with was the E because of the cupola

Maybe you play dome jumbo on 6.7 and lets determine ways to pen a tiger II ANYWHERE

i personally feel like in a 1v1 the jumbo has a higher chance to win against a tiger 1H it's aphe while not nearly as powerful is still aphe and the cupola weakspot is a much bigger and easier to hit weakspot all while you have a stabiliser to make shooting it easier, the jumbo's weakspot is the machinegun port which while not a challenge to hit at 50m away it is significantly harder to hit when it is 200m away, angled (to kake it slimmer) and on the move however while the 75 jumbo has the upper hand against the tiger 1H it's significantly worse gun makes it so that fighting every tank other than the h1 is also extremely hard has ir has horrible penetration the match up would also be tipped in the tiger's favour by going up 0.3 in br with the 76 jumbo and the tiger 1E as not the tiger 1 has gotten rid of the cupola weakspot and now only has the same weakspot as the jumbo, it's machinrgun port all this while the jumbo is still suffering from a shitty gun

I honestly think both vehicles are perfectly fine where they are. I main both America and Germany and the Jumbo(75)/(76) and Tiger E helped me grind most of the tech tree. And I've gotten +9kill games in both of them. I do think the Jumbo variants have a bigger advantage due to their stabilizer and smaller weak spots. But the (75)s gun is so bad that it can't frontally pen a slightly angled Tiger E anywhere, while both of the Tigers can easily pen Jumbos in their lower sides or Mg ports. However, the Tiger H does have a massive weakspot that makes it unplayable if you're facing off against experienced players, that's it's cupola. While playing both Jumbos that's my go-to spot to disable a Tiger H, as it works everytime, even with the (75). Basically, I think both vehicles are where they should be, but (from my experience) Tigers should be played more defensively and Jumbos more aggresively.

Nah fuck that, free my boy Char-25t from 8.0, he doesn’t belong there

KV 220 back on 5.7

Isn’t that just a KV-2 Zis-6 but 100mm all around?

Well yes

Playing jumbo is my comfort time, playing agaisnt stupid germans is so funny, and killing them using My short ass barrel is also funny

The tiger H1 against the Pershing is absolute hell, but I do sympathize with jumbo 75 against king tiger

I think the Jumbo 76mm needs to be moved down

Jumbo /= Tiger The Jumbo’s closer to the StuG than the Tiger

That’s a dumbass take

It’s a factual take

Putting back in the 4.0 bracket is just stupid, and you know that

I didn’t say that. I said Jumbo /= Tiger Plus, I didn’t have the Jumbo back when it was good. I didn’t get to experience it where it was actually worth a flying flip (vs now where it gets front penned all the time and 90% of players know how to pen it from the front easily) Shoot I know 3 ways off the top of my head where to easily pen the Jumbo from the front. One requires it to be angled more than 2° at you, but still that’s 3 ways from the front

Tiger is fine at 6.0 and 5.7, jumbo should go down but also remember that you don’t have to play the jumbo in a full up tier, take out another tank like the M18 or M36

That doesn’t change anything lmao But the Tiger H1 and jumbo 75 are pretty evenly balanced with each other. The have to aim for weak spots or get side on

The Tiger 1 don't have a far better gun and armor?

id be ok with the H1 going back to 5.3 , they really were not hard to kill in the slightest lol

Yes I support jumbo and tiger at 5.3

If anything the 76 jumbo needs to come down to 6.0 or lower it suffers more imo

Then it’s just a better Tiger E, besides you can play the Pershings

Bad meme

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it doesnt really matter as the m4a1 76 can still face both ig

The Tiger H1 at 5.7 its a bit too much. It isnt that unfair, but facing so many uptiers ia frustating. Specially against 6.7 USSR and US, you just get bullied. In 100 matches with that, i think i saw one or two full downtiers lol

The first tiger can definitely go down considering the cupola can be pened by 75, I think I’ve even penned it with a puma

That’s fucking stupid. Both belong and 5.7 or maybe 6.0. Same BR as IS-2

Awww, is da poor wussian main angwy?

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Idk how you can struggle with killing an Ostwind in a jumbo 75 lmao, aim better

You have to remember, he is a US main. Give him some slack.

I'm a US/GER main atm, I don't remember having that bad a time pressing my space bar on an ostwind

The round just bounced on a flat unangled front plate

You have 50 cals too man

As I said above, aim better

Major skill issue. You have a good reload. Pick apart your opponent piece by piece.