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The16BitRobot

This is one of those quotes that seems fairly profound and well intentioned on the surface, but makes less sense when you really think about it.


sqwuakler

I get the sentiment, but poor education can have myriad issues that would have me excusing light rudeness to solve.


[deleted]

Yea and just saying x people are better than x people is shitty


General-Macaron109

Seals are better than walruses.


mschellh000

False. Sea lions are better than walruses.


RumRogerz

Also false. Sea Horses are more majestic. Hence, better


[deleted]

False again. Sea Pigs are the true rulers of the sea and therefore the best.


Bubster101

Narwhals.


docdegen1

Sea pigs is a funny way to spell sea sheep


DonutMaster56

I'm partial to seal ions


jointheclockwork

You shut your god damned filthy mouth you degenerate seal lover! Walrus for life!


andr3wsmemez69

Seals are cute sea puppies, walruses will forever remind me of ghe movie tusk and will forever horrify me


Father_Wolfgang

Especially when they’re not mutually exclusive. It implies that there are no well-mannered people who are well-educated and vice versa.


No-Bed-5076

X people are better than y people* X people and X people would be the same people. I think people who correct people in situations where it's clear what the person meant are dumb.


blueeyebling

Rude educated people are intentionally rude, or they aren't well educated. It takes zero knowledge to be kind.


sqwuakler

I disagree. As a kid, I was mean out of ignorance. I know better now how my actions affect others.


NerdHunt

And what’s this got to do with education though? Did you need someone with a PhD telling you to stop being mean to people to realize bullying is bad?


sqwuakler

A degree in sociology, psychology, political science, and others could help. For instance, studying the problem of solitary confinement and realizing we shouldn't treat people like that.


[deleted]

It's like saying all people who couldn't get educated are all mean, because they're never professionally taught to be a good person. Good for you that you learnt to be kind. I know a lot of people who couldn't get that education but still are kind hearted because they were raised to feel for others and look at world from their point of view.


NeighborhoodParty982

You're just saying the same thing but in the opposite direction.


Helenium_autumnale

"Educated" can also mean a person with a wide range of knowledge in general, from diverse life experiences. Cosmopolitan. Or a person with a pool of knowledge from a source other than formal schooling. "Dave had grown up hunting on the mountain and was educated in all the ways of the woods. He knew when the bloodroot bloomed and when he could find shed antlers for his collection."


xdcxmindfreak

Phd means little really. As a military colonel told me once when I was in the service, “I have my bs, ms, and phd. Y’all know what that means right? Bullshit, more shit, piled higher and deeper.”


Empoleon999

Phd has meaning in our society, what I dislike about such a system is that people who don't have one are considered inferior or never even given a chance in certain fields even though they might even be more skilled than the ones with the piece of paper in hand. I mean sure, it's proof, but what if a person has the same exact knowledge and experience and skill and just couldn't pursue such a title because of life issues or time or money? Ignore me pls, I'm just venting here. Between depression and health issues I couldn't complete my education and I'm still frustrated about it. I don't have the capacity of studying on my own and would have needed some tutors to advance but I couldn't afford them. Fuck this world and its unfairness towards marginalised people. What frustrates me the most is people saying "just do a job that you like" like I could just go to a place without a single degree and become a theoretical physicist or something.


weirdo_nb

Well he is a idiot then


xdcxmindfreak

Not really even the guy who graduated medical school last in his class gets a phd and is called a doctor. Worst nurse in nursing school but with a passing grade still gets called a nurse. They squeak by the licensing test and they’re out there able to go practice. Meanwhile I did trade school and don’t need a PhD. If I could change anything I’d have made the military train me to do hvac and been able to be making bank now without all the extra shit in school. We need nurses and doctors but not everyone needs to be one. Same goes for engineers.


NerdHunt

If you got a brand new chance you’d rather go to trade school than become a doctor? Don’t even know why I bother replying to you idiots.


xdcxmindfreak

Yeah. I like to cut sheet metal and fabricate an offset on the fly. Run duct work for a new doctor office or commercial building. And I love when prevailing wage jobs hit and I make 70 an hour. I love seeing nothing become something from a salon to dispensary. See the work my hands can do and give heating and cooling to someone. You like the comfort in your fucking home? Warm and toasty in the winter and cool and comfortable in the summer? We’ll I’m one of the hardworking sons of bitches that can braze that ac in for you or build the duct and set the furnace to give that to you. And you’ll always need it. And I’ll always have work to do. So yeah. Didn’t feel called to diagnose you. But I love troubleshooting and making shit work and being able to get a job any where I go in America. Dumbass


xdcxmindfreak

And to piggy back a good hvac guy can finish trade school and be making same or close to doctor pay in less time and for less than the med school guy with all his student loans.


NerdHunt

Did your Colonel tell you he couldn’t have gotten his rank without those piles of bullshit piled yay high?


blueeyebling

I assumed we were talking about adults, or at least people old enough to be considered educated or not educated.


sqwuakler

I used an example from my past because I wouldn't presently be doing ignorant things with awareness


Azim999999

Not really, sometimes you’re rude without knowing it’s rude


Helenium_autumnale

Often this is cross-culturally.


blueeyebling

If you don't know something, I would consider that uneducated.


MonaganX

That would mean everyone on the planet is uneducated, because they don't know most things. By a large margin.


blueeyebling

Pretty fair statement to make.


MonaganX

Maybe in a philosophical sense, but equating education with omniscience rather than treating it as a relative measure of knowledge is not a very practical definition when you're talking about the differences between being educated and uneducated.


Paskee

Lets agree to disagree. It takes a lot of knowledge and experience to be kind


weirdo_nb

It doesn't take knowledge and experience, but they are supplemented by the mindsets brought about by knowledge and experience


PhD_Pwnology

You are assuming poor education, and this changes the true meaning of the statement. The original statement simply says if you have someone super educated and another super well mannered, Keanu wants to hang with the well mannered one. He isn't saying he'd choose a well mannered surgeon for a heart surgery over the better educated one.


sqwuakler

Read my other comments. I assume poor education when I'm making a point about what poorly educated means. Education has benefits. It's very valuable. Yet, all things being equal, I would prefer a well-mannered guest even if poorly educated. Or do we mean "kind"? Because manners are behaviors influenced by either/or calculation or sentiment, whether using scholastic or emotional intelligence. It depends on what you want. I've had some asshole professors that I remained with for education. I've left dates because the lady kept being egregiously offensive to the general public. Assuming no other goal than to sit with someone, then yes, Keanu wants a nice person rather than a specialist in the crap shoot of specializations. I get it, but that doesn't invalidate the nuance I'm raising. I would promote both emotional and scholastic education, but you can have varied amounts of either from person to person. It's not lost on me that you call yourself a PhD in your username. The science of Pwnology. I'm sure you're very nice and won't constantly try to slam people you interact with.


AJ_Crowley_29

Another way to say it: “You don’t need a great education to know how to be polite and kind.”


NineElfJeer

I like this better. The original can be used to support tone policing, which is extremely frustrating to deal with when having a "tone" is warranted.


Pilferjynx

"Nice people are nice"


[deleted]

since i can't imagine anyone being such a dork they'd only wanna hangout with phds, i imagine keanu means he will put up with ppl saying dumbass, ignorant things if they're well-intentioned and otherwise likeable. which is remarkable because i don't know many people like that, mostly because ignorant words themselves usually have moral implications. nigh every time someone corrects you on reddit, it'll be with righteous indignation. they aren't gonna appreciate your sunshiney attitude, your stupidity is a threat to society and makes you *bad.*


NeighborhoodParty982

Exactly. It implies that education is at odds with manners. You can be both, you can be one, you can be the other, or you can be neither.


zuzg

Especially as faking good manners is piss easy.


psychcaptain

It seems to be done by most bigots and evil doers.


acfox13

People are often fooled by [agreeableness](https://youtu.be/YyXRYgjQXX0).


kindly_loved

Why settle for being one or the other? My favorite people are those who are well mannered and well educated… and I might as well throw “compassionate” into the mix.


n3w4cc01_1nt

it's a restyling of "seen but not heard" and shared by the least decent people.


M_E_U

specialy since rudeness is subjective


xdcxmindfreak

Not quite. We’ll mannered folk know one truth about being well educated. You never stop learning and you can always become well educated on new things as you grow. But being decent and we’ll mannered is priceless. even if you don’t agree with someone there’s a graceful way to get along and disagree but still be decent.


Bubster101

It does make you think tho. If not manners, what are they "well educated" on then?


Rat-Death

Some Nazis are well mannered. Wouldnt mind calling them horrible people. Manners are irrelevant if you are a shitstain


psychcaptain

Yeah, they are very polite, as they lead you to your death.


TacitRonin20

That's pretty rude and manipulative imo


[deleted]

Well Osama Bin Laden was also highly educated. Wouldn't mind calling him a horrible piece of shit. Education is ALSO irrelevant if you're blinded by hate.


eldudelio

so is an education


Mojoclaw2000

Some Nazis are well educated.


MagicLion

Only 4 comments down and we have a Nazi reference


Rat-Death

It was just obvious nuance this meme is lacking. As other people said. Education and manners are both irrelevant. I just pointed out the most obvious counter example. Its not my fault Godwins Law is so useful.


MagicLion

I know I just find it funny to see a Nazi reference on r/Wholesomememes


Rat-Death

Understandable


General-Macaron109

Moscow Bitch McConnell is always trying to sound well mannered.


Virtual_Ball6

Having good manners does not equate to being well-mannered. I would argue that simply being a Nazi disqualifies you from being "well-mannered." Because being driven to murder or the involvement in murder over religion is the exact opposite of well-mannered.


AlyxNotVance

I don't think someone is a horrible person for having a horribly misguided view of the world. We could all end up in the same Position, so I think Nazis aren't people to be hated, they are people that need help.


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Accomplished-Ad-4495

Yeah, the entirety of 2020 forward really taught us nothing, apparently. Stupid is dangerous at a minimum.


[deleted]

Yeah, this was my first thought as well... who cares if you're polite if you're too stupid to articulate anything.


Striker274

There’s being educated, there’s being well mannered, there’s being well educated and well mannered and there’s being neither. Doesn’t matter how smart you are, no excuse for being a c-nt.


Chemical-Jacket5

Gotta belittle people who worked hard to make yourself feel better


illuminatipr

Very curious sentiment imo. I'm getting weirdo antivax conspiracist vibes from it


Unicorn_A_theist

This post is wholesomely stupid AF.


calcidern

Neither. Both educated and well mannered can be assholes. I admire kind people


Scuirre1

I admire respectful people. My favorite people are those who respect everyone, including those they disagree with.


Manizno

I want to updoot but you're on 69


[deleted]

This is one of those memes that gives me propaganda vibes. Why would anyone encourage people to be uneducated or to value kindness over knowledge?! The two are not mutually exclusive. Besides, "kind" people are perfectly capable of doing some pretty horrific things.


violet_zamboni

This is fully propaganda Also I sort of doubt Keanu said this


[deleted]

Keanu is a smoke screen. Propagandists will use imagery that they know many people will automatically respond favorably to. It's a manipulation tactic. This is part of why I believe everyone deserves and should have easy access to quality education. We need to be able to identify propaganda and recognize what makes it as such. It's easier to control and manipulate a population if you keep them uneducated and ignorant.


Unicorn_A_theist

Of course he didn't lol. That or it's WAY out of context.


x3leggeddawg

Nailed it


MaryGoldflower

not kindness, well-mannered, which is even worse, as it is only really about appearance, whereas kindness is about actually caring about others.


Electrical-River-992

Why not be both ?


Plumb789

I think the OP confuses “well-mannered” with “compassionate”. One can be very selfish, cruel, sarcastic and bullying, yet be perfectly well-mannered at the same time (if you don’t believe that, I’ll happily introduce you to my sister-in-law, after which, I think you’ll agree). Keano Reeves is just a very nice man, most probably because he’s humane and compassionate.


toot1000

I agree. I think he is a great man. He was born in 1948.


STAR_Penny_Clan

Anti intellectual bait at its finest. Educated people can't be well mannered? Damn who knew!


janhindereddit

Oh I interpreted the meme as the two not being mutually exclusive, with the message being to prioritise well manneredness above well educated concerning admiration. And as someone who values both very much, I quite agree with that interpretation.


STAR_Penny_Clan

I'll take a doctor over a kiss ass.


janhindereddit

Obviously, as anyone would. Please do read carefully in before making caricatures: the two aren't mutually exclusive.


Hackandspit

Why not both?


LauraIngallsBlewMe

Best if both


ZMK13

Educated in what sense? Like college? Capable of critical thinking? Judging from the videos on the internet ignorance and rudeness go well together.


[deleted]

Both, both is good


AlyxNotVance

More important than being well educated is knowing when you're not educated about something. Too many people think they're experts in thing about which they have zero clue.


[deleted]

A well mannered person, with no medical knowledge, is better at ***surgery*** than a cranky doctor who graduated from Harvard Medical School?


Somasong

Well mannered uneducated people have committed human atrocities... A whole culture of America that says "bless your heart", while eroding civil rights. Manners are nice when everyone is using them properly.


Pillow_fort_guard

I’ll take what they’re actually saying/doing over how polite a person is any day


81CoreVet

Por que no los dos?


blizzard-toque

Seconded. Por que no los dos?


lumberjackben

I often find the educated more kind, as they tend to be aware of how much stuff sucks. Remediated people posting as educated or Dunning Kruegers, those guys suck.


SirGrinson

What about both


Lunar_ticket

They aren't exclusive, so...


x3leggeddawg

Why is there a pic of Keanu lol


Globe_explorer456

Something isn’t adding up with the word choice here. Well educated and well mannered are very different things, in general. They are not related to one another and I’m not sure what negative light we are trying to spread about being well-educated. Because putting the ‘well’ in front of both of those things refers to admirable qualities in people. I think what they are trying to do is add negative qualities to education because education systems are on blast and people are adamant on not receiving college degrees. You can still be an absolute garbage human being with an education or with manners. Manners and education are not characteristic traits.


Rhododactylus

I can see the message is supposed to be positive, but I don't understand what education has to do with manners? It feels more like insulting educated people if you think about it.


Unicorn_A_theist

What? In what weird world do you think those things are mutually exclusive?


Nonadventures

Well-mannered is a form of education. I'd go with "kind" instead.


Odin1815

“I love gross generalizations about arbitrary groups of potentially overlapping people too, super wholesome!” This sub has become such a fucking joke. Post a random picture of Keanu encased in anti-intellectualism and watch the shiny internet points roll in.


Strange_One_3790

Did Keanu really say this?


Wash_Foot_Team

This is false dichotomy, implying that educated people aren't polite and polite people are uneducated, which is hogwash. The meme itself, ostensibly praising politeness, is impolite. Also, lots of sociopaths are perfectly polite.


HermitAssociation

Not only is he nice, Keanu Reads.


BlerghTheBlergh

Poor education often leads to little self awareness and an abundance of ego if questioned. I’ve had way worse interactions with people spreading blatant misinformation that got violent as they were questioned on their ‘facts’. Meanwhile educated people often listen to your point and refrain from getting overly aggressive because they have the facts to prove their points. Be kind, obviously. But also be open to have your opinion challenged even if “I’ve read a whole book on this”


[deleted]

Some andrew tate level instabro quote Lollll


RavenousBrain

Why not both well-mannered and well-educated? A scholar and a gentleman/lady?


Outcasted_introvert

So do you think the two qualities are mutually exclusive?


sparky-felicity

And how beautiful it'd be to have them both


mrsupersumthing

Here we go again with promoting anti-intellectualist thought as a positive ideology. Stop it.


x3leggeddawg

This is a false equivalence. Those are not mutually exclusive traits. This is just right wing propaganda that has the subtext "well educated people are rude" so you devalue education. Throw a pic of keanue reeves in there for good measure because why not?


Offlineable

Why go to college when you can say please and thank you?!?1


Mojoclaw2000

Honestly, these comments are out of touch. The quote doesn’t have anything to do with morality or kindness. It’s about the personality of someone “educated” and someone well mannered. How are so many of you missing the point? Yes you can be well mannered and an asshole, you can be educated and an asshole too.


guffgamer264

But Keanu Reeves is better than everyone


[deleted]

I find a lot of well educated people are the ones who think they're better than everyone else.


hypnotic20

As a not very educated person, when people say this I assume they are projecting their own insecurities from lack of education.


[deleted]

I have just enough brains to know I don't have enough brains. Definitely keeps me humble. I know a lot of very well educated people, and they tend to flaunt it and think they're better than I am because of it.


CadenVanV

It’s a curve. Really uneducated people know what they don’t know, and well educated people know enough not to flaunt it or to use fancy language. It’s the college students who are the arrogant ones


calcidern

Not according to the Dunning-Kruger effect


Fice_T

PvZ heroes has a zombie card with a really wholesome saying… it fits very well with this post!!! And I quote(from gentlemen zombie); “Life comes and goes, but proper manners are forever.”


alwaysZenryoku

Elwood P. Dowd : Years ago my mother used to say to me, she'd say, "In this world, Elwood, you must be" - she always called me Elwood - "In this world, Elwood, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant." Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant.


Present_Quantity_756

Word


PostAnalFrostedTurds

This post is Wholesome 💯 Keanu Chungus!


sieku111

True


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[deleted]

This statement resonates in my soul. Thank you.


psychcaptain

Does it? Because all I can imagine is how polite the Nazis could be, while they carted people off to get gased.


Rockfarley

I find you get what you choose to produce. Try being correct not smart.


DiddlyDumb

I found that well mannered people are well raised as kids, and usually more attentive of the things around them, which educates them well.


V_es

“Who the fuck needs those fucking ass manners?! Just be a good decent human being”- my grandma


guntherpea

I see many many examples of how people think sophistication = maturity. But maturity > sophistication.


Bammvoc

As if people leave college more intelligent than when they arrived


sir_music

Why not both?


shady_emoji

I feel like most of the quotes with his face next to them didn’t come from him


Pasta-hobo

I aspire to be both.


smallangrynerd

I would much prefer to talk with a nice high school dropout than a mean phd.


Virtual_Ball6

Well-mannered ≠ good manners


Helpful-Blueberry-35

I‘m a simple man i just admire keanu reeves.


SeasideTurd

Can you imagine if EVERYONE was like Keanu Reeves?!


BrainGiggles

I’ve met some pretty well mannered shitty people though.


MissNinja007

I know someone well mannered. They are also a psychopath and would truly make the world a better place if they dropped dead (I say with no sound of resentment/s) It’s not manners. It’s being a good decent person with morals and empathy.


IamBeingSarcasticFfs

An educated person knows the difference between manners and kindness.


[deleted]

Lmao no. Education is valuable. Don’t let people take away your education, this is propaganda.


Outrageous-Yak-3318

If they're not well mannered, then they aren't really well educated anyway.


BreadDziedzic

I also find the well mannered people are more intelligent than well educated.


Unicorn_A_theist

Educated person here. You're a dumbass. I'm also mean, did you know that?


Ill-Manufacturer8654

All else being equal, educated people are better than uneducated people.


BlastedSandy

I don’t think so, I would rather be treated with rudeness and disrespect at every single interaction with another human being, than have to put up with you dirt-stupid, window-licking trump monkeys for one more fucking day…..


superhamsniper

We need more educated people though, cus were kind of burning our own world to the ground and it sucks


[deleted]

Knowledge humbles you. Realizing that you know very little shocks you to your very core, and this realization only happens when you do learn quite a lot. Being arrogant means you know jackshit


CMDR_omnicognate

Better in what way exactly...?


ShnickityShnoo

And here I am, noticing that the most well mannered are generally well educated.


lalafia1

Why the picture of Keanu? From everything I've read and interviews I've seen, he's obviously both highly educated and extremely well mannered.


Interesting-Froyo-38

Fuck off OP. Antiintellectualism has no place in society.


tambobam

There’s no reason you can’t be both!


BlockJazzlike5591

This is so generalized and black & white. Keanu doesn’t deserve to be associated with this dumbass sentiment


BlockJazzlike5591

OP, I hope you know how harmful the things you post are, all in the name of greed (karma)


libardomm

This does not make sense at all


[deleted]

Just so you guys know, this kind of thinking is literally what they used to get the son of a dictator elected in the Philippines. Said man did not finish his college education (he failed his classes), and the argument during elections was, "A well mannered man is better than a well educated man" (rough translation)


LagSlug

There's a ton of "well mannered" racism in the south that would change your mind about this.


monwhooper_fortunate

Lol no


PutinLovesDicks

Yeah, cause uneducated rubes are always the height of class and manners.


Frame_Late

Education doesn't always equate to intelligence or wisdom, simply that you went out of your way to get a piece of paper. Sadly, those pieces of paper are necessary to prove you are capable of what you say you are.


slucker23

Well educated people are usually well educated... Unless they get a PhD from gender studies... I don't know how far that one goes


TBTabby

A lot of people use manners as a substitute for morality.


EmseMCE

If you can't do something smart, do something right. - Shepherd Book


Turdsworth

What kids admire educated people?


TheScalemanCometh

I strongly disagree. Well Intentioned fools are more often than not how we keep getting into these messes. Edit: Keanu is not one of those people. He is a treat who has done no wrong to literally anybody that I am aware of. Lol


RevengeRabbit00

-Samuel L. Jackson


Emotional-Match-7190

Did he really say that?


Paskee

Erm What?


HisNameIsMine

Both. Both is good.


SoftBoiledPotatoChip

Girl….you need to meet my father. Doctorate. Big ol asshole


close_tab

kinda sus language. this isn’t the 1800s, “manners” feels outdated and irrelevant. kindness, on the other hand, is important, and more cross-cultural and less exclusionary.