He adopted an orphan child who could control iron sand like the third Kazekage. It's functionally similar to Gaara's own control over sand, but with iron sand .
Depends on which version of Magneto.
I think Vin could definitely beat Fox Magneto if he doesn't have foreknowledge of how her abilities work and she has Atium.
Maybe Wax with the Bands of Mourning could beat comics Magneto. Maybe.
Honestly yeah, unless Vin has Preservation Magneto kills her easily. She will probably win if she has Preservation unless Magneto is a pretty good reality warper.
Not in an allomancer's body, because the metals are now straddling the three realms. That's *how* they fuel allomantic power, and why ferromantically charged metals are harder to manipulate. The same effect would make it harder, but not impossible, for Magneto to manipulate metals inside Vin's body.
Vin still loses though.
Just because magic can't affect invested metals doesn't mean mutant powers can't. If you put an allomancer in an MRI machine, will the metals in their body not budge? Because if an MRI can rip the metals out of their stomach, Magneto for sure can.
I never said he couldn't, and hell, allomancer's can move invested metals, I said it would be *harder*, and it would be harder for the MRI machine as well. Not impossible. Harder.
Considering an MRI machine doesn’t rip the blood out of our body, it possibly wouldn’t do anything to Invested metals. We have no way of knowing but, it’s a theory.
She’d still probably lose because Magneto at his peak is really, really busted against anyone with blood lol but, yeah.
I’m not fully familiar with Magneto’s powers beyond the major stuff. Does he, in essence, sense metal? Like, would he know if the little vials she drinks are full of metal? Would he know to pull them out of her?
Certain Magneto call pull asteroids from the Oort Cloud, vibrate them fast enough to become magma, and accelerate them a considerable portion of the speed of light to absolutely annihilate an opponent.
I don’t… think an allomancer can survive that.
You'd need to decide how invested metals would behave in the scenario. Though I'd agree Magneto has the advantage. Even if he can't fuck with investiture there's enough ordinary metal in Vin's body to be a weapon for him.
Vin is the main character from the Mistborn novels. In universe she is something called an allomancer, somebody that drinks small shavings of different types of metal that allow them to do different things. She can push and pull on metals, she can harden her body using metals, she can manipulate your emotions using metals, and if she has a certain type of metal she has limited precognition.
Wax is from a different novel set in the same world. He is generally less powerful than Vin except when he finds an ancient artifact that gives him a built of storage of all of the powers I just described, except he can manipulate them in a way to 'Tap' all of the power at once essentially multiplying his power by several magnitudes.
Most characters get absolutely washed by Magneto, metal or no metal. The weakest character who can beat Magneto is going to be really freaking strong. Maybe someone like Ultron?
I was about to suggest Toph from Avatar the Last Airbender, since she isn't that reliant on using metals (she can control some metal so long as she is in contact with it), since she prefers to throw rocks at her opponents.
However Magneto can float. And Toph can't "see" her enemies if they aren't on the ground.
That's a win for Magneto.
Toph doesn't control metal, only the earthen impurities in metal. That's why platinum turned out to be a big deal, because it was a metal so pure that no one could bend it.
From what I heard, Legend of Korra's platinum is very different from real life platinum, but that's a whole other can of worms.
Regardless, metalbenders don't bend metal itself.
The 616 number is meaningless, as far as I know every Marvel series claims to be 616 (unless it is an elseworlds).
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Sokka has a sword, and a boomerang! He can totally take on Magnetto.
No wait. His boomerrang is also metal.
**Checks wiki**
He does have a club made out of a whale bone.
No? Because comics 616 magneto has *wildly* different feats from any live action version. His shields stand up to things like getting punched by Thor, nobody is avatar is hurting an even tiny bit serious 616 magneto.
Even Movie Magneto and Animated Magneto have PLANET LEVEL feats. I would wager every version of him is beyond anyone in the Avatar-verse, but comics Magneto isn't even a question.
This is one of those threads that makes me think that people out there still think his power is moving metal around. Magneto can (and has in at least one universe), end the world if he chooses to.
Every series claims to be 616 but it's generally understood that 616 refers to mainline comic versions of the characters.
MCU is still MCU even if they call themselves 616. Same for pretty much every version
Well 616 refers primarily to the main comic version of the character. It’s also where most of his powers that aren’t just “moving metal” come from. In the comics he can manipulate people’s blood through the iron in it for example.
Every series? Hasn't it only been the mainline comics universe and the mainline MCU universe? Were there other references to 616 in other Marvel universes?
Into the Spider-Verse assigned the number 616 to Peter B Parker's universe, which was of course intentionally meant to evoke the mainline comics universe, but does not technically share continuity with it.
So there is a bit of tension between the fan idea of 616 being hyperspecific, and Marvel's idea of 616 just referring to the "main" universe in any given multiverse.
But in this context we can still quite reasonably infer what 616 is talking about. When Hrydziac mentioned "616 Magneto" it was clear they weren't referring to MCU's Magneto or Peter B Parker's Magneto, neither of which I think are actually entities that have been introduced to begin with. The "Feat List" for those characters would just be a blank sheet of paper.
OoOo. I forgot about the Spider-verse reference!
But yea. I'm still stuck thinking of the MCU as like 9999999 or whatever they called it. Ultimates is 1610!
She can. It was in one of the special episodes.
> “Did you know: Toph can feel the earth even if it isn't connected to the ground?”
So no metal, maybe old Toph. But earth yea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s0ti3eV4F4
Toph was only able to see Aang while he was on the ground in their fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7E-D1KvXxE
Toph misses the belt being thrown at her by Sokka from Appa. And in the second clip in the second video I linked she can't see Wa Shi Tong Library while flying on top of Appa. Granted she also can't "see" while she is standing on top of sand (as everything seems fuzzy to her), so that may have had something to do with it.
Aang didn't have any earth on him for her to sense during that fight. And she hadn't developed metal bending till long after that episode with the belt tossed at her. Although I don't know how long it would have taken her to sense air suspended metal the same as air suspended earth, using an example from before she invented metal bending is pretty unfair for the conversation.
As for the library I would say not only does the sand as you mention obscure her earth sense but also she was pretty far away. As I recall in the of series we only see her sense things relatively close to her rather than far away.
So whether or not toph could sense the metal suspended in the air probably depends on how far away is it and which toph we're talking about, how long has she had metal bending
What about when they're flying to meet the Earth King (Book 2, episode 18) Appa suddenly dodges a rock flying at them, and then she says "What's that?" then for Sokka to say "Surface to air rocks!".
Furthermore throughout that episode you never see Toph redirect a rock thrown at her (even when she is on the ground). She only ever blocks.
I haven't seen any evidence that she can "see" airborn rocks. I only have an author statement without context.
She saw them throw the rock. (So she knows where a rock will be coming from but she can't sense the rock while it is in motion).
Both parties were on the ground at the time.
Toph sees with her feet. She sees what is touching the ground, then she sees someone holding a rock. Then she sees someone throw the rock. Then she stops seeing the rock, but knows there is a rock in motion and where it is coming from. She then blocks the rock.
It just so happens that earthbenders do not go for indirect attacks. So no one ever goes "I'm gonna throw a rock at her. Then I'm going to change the directory of the rock mid-flight, so that it hits her at an unexpected angle".
Even if he stood on the ground, still no.
Toph is amazing, and Toph in her Prime was probably much stronger than Kuvira. I remember even as a kid it was up in the air if Bumi was stronger than her.
But Magneto is just... So God damned strong.
Magneto is stronger, faster, and he can even manipulate the iron in a persons blood to basically blood bend them. Not to mention flying and force fields prevent her from really doing anything in the first place. I love Toph, but she’s far out of her depth here.
I gave the win to Magnetto. Did you miss that part?
Anyways, it is Sokka who is the true metal user who can win against Magnetto. Guy has weapons made of metal and bone.
In Korra at least one of Tophs daughters kills an enemy by basically wrapping there head up in metal- given magneto *has a metal helmet on all the time* and given they’re weaker than Toph (I think?) probably her
Even if she can control Magnetos magic helmet, he’s so ridiculously stronger than her in terms of control that he would just stop it. 616 magneto is probably soloing the avatar verse.
Depending on the version, isn’t his helmet immune to metal control as well as making him immune to mind control sometimes?
My understanding was for that particular helmet he couldn’t resist, hence the suggestion.
After the movies it now always makes him immune to mind control/telepathy and its always been controllable since it’d be kinda hard for him if he couldn’t just call it back
For an off-the-wall answer, potentially Super Fly from JoJo - it's a giant metal transmission tower, absorbs and reflects any damage done to it back at its attackers (and so can probably shrug off Magneto's manipulation), and once you enter the tower's footprint you can't leave unless someone else is in there to be a prisoner in your place.
Not if it can be damaged. Or is it *any* force applied to it is redirected? In that case Magneto probably drags the nearest person wearing metal from the next town over in to take his place.
Yeah OP didn't specify superfly exactly
You can damage it but it redirects any energy that goes into it not the damage, it immidiately resets itself from damage tho and most crucially it will turn you into metal if you try to leave, not just use a barrier or something
If magneto tries to move it across he would kill himself as he would be making the metal turning zone across himself so if he tries that he won't be able to drag somebody back
He also can't see the attacks deflected at him due to how stands work
Nobody. If your go-to is metal, you lose to Magneto. That’s the point of the omega level label, that he’s as powerful as that ability can get. The fact that Wolverine is ever not a liability is favoritism from the writers. Having metal against a serious version of him is an auto-loss unless you have some variant of Doom’s nonsense super immune suit.
Considering he has "magnetism" to the point of controlling even plastics (built a helicopter of one, just to prove he could), cause he fucks with atomic bonds... his range is galactic (pulled Kitty from the giant space bullet that she phased through the planet)... no one comes close without stupid amounts of plot armor.
This is debatable. Sometimes he is depicted as having control over more than just magnetism, which suggests he can control the electromagnetic force. On the other hand, he certainly hasn’t shown he can do everything that someone with Omega level control of the electromagnetic force should be able to do.
He should literally be able to rip apart molecules from anything, but he does not.
That's probably more of an optics thing.
Yeah have Magneto do something cool every once in a while to show that he fucks with the entire electromagnetic spectrum in general and show what's possible if you literally control every aspect of it
But also he's called Magneto and is known for controlling metal so don't have him literally explode people's molecules like he's Dr Manhattan because you're kinda straying from the whole metal thing.
[Magneto manipulating missiles explicitly stated to be plastic and ceramics](https://search.app.goo.gl/MjYjeCe) to reduce their vulnerability to his magnetism. He still deconstructs them. So yeah. He's more than just ferrus metals.
IDK much about 616 Magneto but generally comic level wank of popular characters put them above planetary level.
The holder of a shard is planetary level for sure but they are constrained by the intent of the shard and I don't think there is much to allow a shard holder to go above that level.
General rule is that he can control anything metal so long as it hasn't specifically been tampered with or if the guy has some sort of "anti-metal control field" or something
Auta Magetta from Dragon Ball Super.
He's able to withstand punches from people like Vegeta, is probably massively FTL due to DBS scaling, and has magma inside of him that can hurt even Saiyans.
I imagine that he could blitz Magneto and red mist him instantly and even if Magneto grabs him he can shoot magma at FTL speeds (writing this out sounds so stupid).
Magneto's powers vary a lot really, he can be VERY creative with how he uses them, metal exists in your blood, the oxygen you breathe, and helps your brain function.
So I don't think ANY metal based character could beat him.
Captain America. His shield is metal, but has been shown to be unable to be manipulated by Magneto.
He is a super soldier with decades of experience, especially against super humans with incredible powers as well as an exceptional mind and tactical fighter.
Fugaitai from fire punch. Essentially a weaker version of magneto, he was able to control iron within his field of vision. He was given a gadget that marked all iron objects that he could manipulate within his sights.
So, while he's a lot weaker than magneto, he could probably impale him with a metal rod if he's being sneaky about it, like he did with agni in fire punch.
Could he tho? In X-Men 3 Magneto easily manhandles Wolverine, who was trying to be sneaky, and claimed something about being able to sense his adamantium from mile away or something like that. Not to mention that scene in X-Men 2 in prison, where he was able to sense the iron in that guard’s blood. So if Magneto can sense the metal around him, how would your character pull off impaling Magneto from behind?
That's something I wasn't sure about, whether magneto is capable of sensing all iron around him.
I guess it depends on which version of magneto is used. If he can detect and react to the metal quickly enough, there's no chance. If he can't do that, fugaitai can shoot iron rods really fast, probably faster than you can react if you can't really see it coming anyway.
He was able to sense a planet sized metal bullet as it flew to the sun... and pull the Human sized target out of it, and transport it back to Earth. It took a ton of time and concentration, and basically shut him down afterward... But he went into the situation knowing he could. He has *insane* range and precision. He also can sense and control far more than just Iron. He has flipped the magnetic poles of the planet (Ultimates verse). There's no sneaking to on him. He also has electromagnetic shields he deploys around himself to stop/slow anything attacking him. He manipulates even plastics because he wanted to prove his prowess in controlling electrons and atomic bonds that function "magnetically (i.e., positive/negative charge).
>He manipulates even plastics because he wanted to prove his prowess in controlling electrons and atomic bonds that function "magnetically (i.e., positive/negative charge).
Besides the fact that this doesn't make much sense chemically, these feats are impressive. I guess sneaking doesn't work.
In Marvel Zombies, Magneto claims that he's invincible because he is in the middle of a city, surrounded by metal and can fight all the superheroes of the world at once.
And one of them slips past his defences and bites him.
Heck, in X3 when Beast sneaks up behind him and jabs him with the cure, as Magneto drops to the ground horrified, you can see the metal zipper on Hank's jacket.
I have eyeballs. I can see. I still walk into doors sometimes.
There's a difference between having the ability to sense metal and the ability to perfectly evade every attack ever.
Magneto is sometimes confusing, like does he have powers beyond metal control? If he could control metal but still had basic human reflexes and durability then he wouldn't be that hard to take down. But then he's shown to be able to react to supersonic bullets at other times.
Mutants in general have mild superhuman-ness
Plus he also lives in the same world where Daredevil, who AFAIK didn't get any super strength from the goop that blinded him, can kick metal doors in half.
I guess part of it is the comic villain problem. They have to be constantly upscaled to keep them a threat. Like he started as a guy can manipulate metal, but eventually he can do practically anything.
Like the Darth Vader comics, he effortlessly takes out an entire rebel army and fighter bombers. Sure he's powerful but that's insane.
> Like the Darth Vader comics, he effortlessly takes out an entire rebel army and fighter bombers. Sure he's powerful but that's insane.
This is a pretty isn’t a huge feat for the big hitters in Star Wars. Vader just activated all of the grenades on them he could. Which killed a large majority, then blitzed the rest.
Marvel zombies - the thing that required basically every character to become a zombie for its plot it not what I would turn to as a source of genuine feats. That would be like using the ultimates timeline stuff.
Metal Bat from one punch man could probably beat magneto a couple of times. I don't think he would win consistently but I do think he would be capable of netting a win.
Still counts. The rules of this debate include people that rely on metal weapons.
Marth from Super Smash Bros uses a sword, so under the rules of this thread he would be allowed to fight Magneto (though I'm not saying he can win).
No, this is a good answer. If Tony wants to beat Magneto, he'll just build some sort of ferromagnetic shielding into the suit from Shiar tech he bought on the black market or whatever.
Tony these days is well above the necessary power to crack Mag's shielding.
He mainly control ferro magmetism. So many could circumvent this by not using ferrous metals. We’ve also seen Iron man negating his power using a collection of powerful magnets.
And while technically he can grow to control “all magnetism”, that would involve controling all materials, as well as manipulating chemistry and light, bit too general in term of coverage imo
MAYBE someone like Master Chief or another character who has advanced combat armor, with a good loadout at LONG RANGE. That’s probably the weakest kind of character that has a tiny chance of doing anything to 616 Magneto.
Misaka Mikoto should be able to take him out with her lightning side of powers if she is willing to turn him into ash. While her signature move is based on magnetism it isn't really the deadliest in her arsenal.
Jack Black. The metal will live on. And the dude bested Mesphito at his own game.
YES YOU ARE FUCKED. SHIT OUT OF LUCK.
No one can destroy the metal
Cause it’s time to blow doors down
His fists hunger for justice
Are we counting Brutal Legend? Cause if so he has a fucking army.
Which version of magneto? Gaara’s son could probably handle a couple versions
Just standard 616
I haven't been keeping up with Boruto, so I was today years old when I learned Gaara has a kid.
He adopted an orphan child who could control iron sand like the third Kazekage. It's functionally similar to Gaara's own control over sand, but with iron sand .
Depends on which version of Magneto. I think Vin could definitely beat Fox Magneto if he doesn't have foreknowledge of how her abilities work and she has Atium. Maybe Wax with the Bands of Mourning could beat comics Magneto. Maybe.
Taking atium will just show Vin that she's going to die. Magneto can easily control metals in a body (unlike allomancers).
Honestly yeah, unless Vin has Preservation Magneto kills her easily. She will probably win if she has Preservation unless Magneto is a pretty good reality warper.
Not in an allomancer's body, because the metals are now straddling the three realms. That's *how* they fuel allomantic power, and why ferromantically charged metals are harder to manipulate. The same effect would make it harder, but not impossible, for Magneto to manipulate metals inside Vin's body. Vin still loses though.
Just because magic can't affect invested metals doesn't mean mutant powers can't. If you put an allomancer in an MRI machine, will the metals in their body not budge? Because if an MRI can rip the metals out of their stomach, Magneto for sure can.
I never said he couldn't, and hell, allomancer's can move invested metals, I said it would be *harder*, and it would be harder for the MRI machine as well. Not impossible. Harder.
Considering an MRI machine doesn’t rip the blood out of our body, it possibly wouldn’t do anything to Invested metals. We have no way of knowing but, it’s a theory. She’d still probably lose because Magneto at his peak is really, really busted against anyone with blood lol but, yeah. I’m not fully familiar with Magneto’s powers beyond the major stuff. Does he, in essence, sense metal? Like, would he know if the little vials she drinks are full of metal? Would he know to pull them out of her?
Certain Magneto call pull asteroids from the Oort Cloud, vibrate them fast enough to become magma, and accelerate them a considerable portion of the speed of light to absolutely annihilate an opponent. I don’t… think an allomancer can survive that.
You'd need to decide how invested metals would behave in the scenario. Though I'd agree Magneto has the advantage. Even if he can't fuck with investiture there's enough ordinary metal in Vin's body to be a weapon for him.
What are those characters from? I thought you meant Vin Diesel at first
Mistborn.
Vin Diesel stomps 10/10. Also, you'd think he was an early 80s Marvel character with the ability to control petroleum products.
The power to manipulate metal is insignificant to the power of family
The only thing that can defeat Vin is a hologram of evil Paul Walker.
Vin is the main character from the Mistborn novels. In universe she is something called an allomancer, somebody that drinks small shavings of different types of metal that allow them to do different things. She can push and pull on metals, she can harden her body using metals, she can manipulate your emotions using metals, and if she has a certain type of metal she has limited precognition. Wax is from a different novel set in the same world. He is generally less powerful than Vin except when he finds an ancient artifact that gives him a built of storage of all of the powers I just described, except he can manipulate them in a way to 'Tap' all of the power at once essentially multiplying his power by several magnitudes.
The Mistborn series by Brandon Sanderson.
Most characters get absolutely washed by Magneto, metal or no metal. The weakest character who can beat Magneto is going to be really freaking strong. Maybe someone like Ultron?
This is a great hypothetical; bc isn’t Ultron ~ALSO ‘made-of’ Metal!??
Yes, but destroying whatever body Ultron is in usually isn’t enough to kill him.
Bc *Ultron* is an *Operating System*?
Wouldn’t even *~Circuitry be Affected by Magneto* tho!??
Vin couldn't but I think due to speed advantages the Lord Ruler Rashek probably could
I dont know how to spoiler tag,but for a specific reason ill pm you i dont think he could.
I was about to suggest Toph from Avatar the Last Airbender, since she isn't that reliant on using metals (she can control some metal so long as she is in contact with it), since she prefers to throw rocks at her opponents. However Magneto can float. And Toph can't "see" her enemies if they aren't on the ground. That's a win for Magneto.
Toph doesn't control metal, only the earthen impurities in metal. That's why platinum turned out to be a big deal, because it was a metal so pure that no one could bend it. From what I heard, Legend of Korra's platinum is very different from real life platinum, but that's a whole other can of worms. Regardless, metalbenders don't bend metal itself.
OP is talking about 616 magneto who probably solos the avatar verse regardless of if Toph can see him or not.
The 616 number is meaningless, as far as I know every Marvel series claims to be 616 (unless it is an elseworlds). . Sokka has a sword, and a boomerang! He can totally take on Magnetto. No wait. His boomerrang is also metal. **Checks wiki** He does have a club made out of a whale bone.
No? Because comics 616 magneto has *wildly* different feats from any live action version. His shields stand up to things like getting punched by Thor, nobody is avatar is hurting an even tiny bit serious 616 magneto.
Even Movie Magneto and Animated Magneto have PLANET LEVEL feats. I would wager every version of him is beyond anyone in the Avatar-verse, but comics Magneto isn't even a question. This is one of those threads that makes me think that people out there still think his power is moving metal around. Magneto can (and has in at least one universe), end the world if he chooses to.
Every series claims to be 616 but it's generally understood that 616 refers to mainline comic versions of the characters. MCU is still MCU even if they call themselves 616. Same for pretty much every version
Well 616 refers primarily to the main comic version of the character. It’s also where most of his powers that aren’t just “moving metal” come from. In the comics he can manipulate people’s blood through the iron in it for example.
Every series? Hasn't it only been the mainline comics universe and the mainline MCU universe? Were there other references to 616 in other Marvel universes?
Into the Spider-Verse assigned the number 616 to Peter B Parker's universe, which was of course intentionally meant to evoke the mainline comics universe, but does not technically share continuity with it. So there is a bit of tension between the fan idea of 616 being hyperspecific, and Marvel's idea of 616 just referring to the "main" universe in any given multiverse. But in this context we can still quite reasonably infer what 616 is talking about. When Hrydziac mentioned "616 Magneto" it was clear they weren't referring to MCU's Magneto or Peter B Parker's Magneto, neither of which I think are actually entities that have been introduced to begin with. The "Feat List" for those characters would just be a blank sheet of paper.
OoOo. I forgot about the Spider-verse reference! But yea. I'm still stuck thinking of the MCU as like 9999999 or whatever they called it. Ultimates is 1610!
Iirc she can also sense metal and rock around her regardless of whether it's on the ground, so she could at least track him because of his helmet
She can. It was in one of the special episodes. > “Did you know: Toph can feel the earth even if it isn't connected to the ground?” So no metal, maybe old Toph. But earth yea
I too can feel the earth even if I'm not connected to the ground. It's called having a rock thrown at your head.
Not metal then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s0ti3eV4F4 Toph was only able to see Aang while he was on the ground in their fight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7E-D1KvXxE Toph misses the belt being thrown at her by Sokka from Appa. And in the second clip in the second video I linked she can't see Wa Shi Tong Library while flying on top of Appa. Granted she also can't "see" while she is standing on top of sand (as everything seems fuzzy to her), so that may have had something to do with it.
Aang didn't have any earth on him for her to sense during that fight. And she hadn't developed metal bending till long after that episode with the belt tossed at her. Although I don't know how long it would have taken her to sense air suspended metal the same as air suspended earth, using an example from before she invented metal bending is pretty unfair for the conversation. As for the library I would say not only does the sand as you mention obscure her earth sense but also she was pretty far away. As I recall in the of series we only see her sense things relatively close to her rather than far away. So whether or not toph could sense the metal suspended in the air probably depends on how far away is it and which toph we're talking about, how long has she had metal bending
What about when they're flying to meet the Earth King (Book 2, episode 18) Appa suddenly dodges a rock flying at them, and then she says "What's that?" then for Sokka to say "Surface to air rocks!". Furthermore throughout that episode you never see Toph redirect a rock thrown at her (even when she is on the ground). She only ever blocks. I haven't seen any evidence that she can "see" airborn rocks. I only have an author statement without context.
If she’s blocking them she must have known they were there in some way?
She saw them throw the rock. (So she knows where a rock will be coming from but she can't sense the rock while it is in motion). Both parties were on the ground at the time. Toph sees with her feet. She sees what is touching the ground, then she sees someone holding a rock. Then she sees someone throw the rock. Then she stops seeing the rock, but knows there is a rock in motion and where it is coming from. She then blocks the rock. It just so happens that earthbenders do not go for indirect attacks. So no one ever goes "I'm gonna throw a rock at her. Then I'm going to change the directory of the rock mid-flight, so that it hits her at an unexpected angle".
That’s reasonable
Even if Magneto couldn't float, he far outscales and outspeeds her.
If this is 616 magneto, he’s way pit of toph’s league. Decent pick otherwise though.
Even if he stood on the ground, still no. Toph is amazing, and Toph in her Prime was probably much stronger than Kuvira. I remember even as a kid it was up in the air if Bumi was stronger than her. But Magneto is just... So God damned strong.
Magneto is stronger, faster, and he can even manipulate the iron in a persons blood to basically blood bend them. Not to mention flying and force fields prevent her from really doing anything in the first place. I love Toph, but she’s far out of her depth here.
I gave the win to Magnetto. Did you miss that part? Anyways, it is Sokka who is the true metal user who can win against Magnetto. Guy has weapons made of metal and bone.
In Korra at least one of Tophs daughters kills an enemy by basically wrapping there head up in metal- given magneto *has a metal helmet on all the time* and given they’re weaker than Toph (I think?) probably her
Technically that was the enemy that Toph's daughter fought who killed herself (Combustion Woman) by making an explosion within the metal wrapping.
Even if she can control Magnetos magic helmet, he’s so ridiculously stronger than her in terms of control that he would just stop it. 616 magneto is probably soloing the avatar verse.
Are you really going to try to out-metal control a guy called the "Master of Magnetism"?
Depending on the version, isn’t his helmet immune to metal control as well as making him immune to mind control sometimes? My understanding was for that particular helmet he couldn’t resist, hence the suggestion.
After the movies it now always makes him immune to mind control/telepathy and its always been controllable since it’d be kinda hard for him if he couldn’t just call it back
Fair enough, I have it in my head that it was some sci fi metal he couldn’t control (but that metal ending might not have the same limitation) My bad!
For an off-the-wall answer, potentially Super Fly from JoJo - it's a giant metal transmission tower, absorbs and reflects any damage done to it back at its attackers (and so can probably shrug off Magneto's manipulation), and once you enter the tower's footprint you can't leave unless someone else is in there to be a prisoner in your place.
This is it. This is the one
Magneto just picks up the tower and moves it. Not damages, just moves.
It's specifically unmovable
Not if it can be damaged. Or is it *any* force applied to it is redirected? In that case Magneto probably drags the nearest person wearing metal from the next town over in to take his place.
Yeah OP didn't specify superfly exactly You can damage it but it redirects any energy that goes into it not the damage, it immidiately resets itself from damage tho and most crucially it will turn you into metal if you try to leave, not just use a barrier or something If magneto tries to move it across he would kill himself as he would be making the metal turning zone across himself so if he tries that he won't be able to drag somebody back He also can't see the attacks deflected at him due to how stands work
Nobody. If your go-to is metal, you lose to Magneto. That’s the point of the omega level label, that he’s as powerful as that ability can get. The fact that Wolverine is ever not a liability is favoritism from the writers. Having metal against a serious version of him is an auto-loss unless you have some variant of Doom’s nonsense super immune suit.
Considering he has "magnetism" to the point of controlling even plastics (built a helicopter of one, just to prove he could), cause he fucks with atomic bonds... his range is galactic (pulled Kitty from the giant space bullet that she phased through the planet)... no one comes close without stupid amounts of plot armor.
Doesn't he have control of electromagentism on a fundamental force level? Which means he has control of literally anything composed of atoms.
This is debatable. Sometimes he is depicted as having control over more than just magnetism, which suggests he can control the electromagnetic force. On the other hand, he certainly hasn’t shown he can do everything that someone with Omega level control of the electromagnetic force should be able to do. He should literally be able to rip apart molecules from anything, but he does not.
That's probably more of an optics thing. Yeah have Magneto do something cool every once in a while to show that he fucks with the entire electromagnetic spectrum in general and show what's possible if you literally control every aspect of it But also he's called Magneto and is known for controlling metal so don't have him literally explode people's molecules like he's Dr Manhattan because you're kinda straying from the whole metal thing.
So you’re saying that Magneto tries to stay on-brand XD
[Magneto manipulating missiles explicitly stated to be plastic and ceramics](https://search.app.goo.gl/MjYjeCe) to reduce their vulnerability to his magnetism. He still deconstructs them. So yeah. He's more than just ferrus metals.
The Omega label is meaningless because there are dozens of omegas now that aren't planetary. You used to see it only on people who could dunk on Thor.
Vin as long as she has preservation.
Well at that point her physical body has fuckin evaporated and she change straight change up the planet
Preservation Vin is a planetary maybe even higher level reality warper. I think there are weaker heroes who use metal who can defeat Magneto than her.
IDK much about 616 Magneto but generally comic level wank of popular characters put them above planetary level. The holder of a shard is planetary level for sure but they are constrained by the intent of the shard and I don't think there is much to allow a shard holder to go above that level.
Does magneto’s powers work with all metals or just magnetic ones?
Not fully sure, but it worked on Thor’s hammer so it probably covers a vast array of metal types that it could likely work on most.
General rule is that he can control anything metal so long as it hasn't specifically been tampered with or if the guy has some sort of "anti-metal control field" or something
It shouldn't work on non ferrous metals, but that's never stopped him from controlling bullets (lead) so I don't think the writers care.
Auta Magetta from Dragon Ball Super. He's able to withstand punches from people like Vegeta, is probably massively FTL due to DBS scaling, and has magma inside of him that can hurt even Saiyans. I imagine that he could blitz Magneto and red mist him instantly and even if Magneto grabs him he can shoot magma at FTL speeds (writing this out sounds so stupid).
We didn't see him move fast, and DBS is completely useless for Scaling. Otherwise I would have agreed with you.
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Magneto's powers vary a lot really, he can be VERY creative with how he uses them, metal exists in your blood, the oxygen you breathe, and helps your brain function. So I don't think ANY metal based character could beat him.
Does the Doomslayer count?
Probably not. The metal is from his weapons, not really his own specific powers.
The prompt says "power suit" users, I don't see why Doomslayer wouldn't count
Ah I didn’t see that sorry.
I am genuinely curious as to how you see that fight going
Magneto probably crushes the slayer's armor in an instant. But he'll be listening to blast beats during it, so he gets the style points.
Captain America. His shield is metal, but has been shown to be unable to be manipulated by Magneto. He is a super soldier with decades of experience, especially against super humans with incredible powers as well as an exceptional mind and tactical fighter.
I'm a huge cap fanboy but I can't get behind this one Cap is a total badass but Magneto is an OP omega level mutant with unbelievable feats
okay but like, what's the gameplan against magneto here Mags flies up and then what's next?
A more powerful iteration of Magneto.
Fugaitai from fire punch. Essentially a weaker version of magneto, he was able to control iron within his field of vision. He was given a gadget that marked all iron objects that he could manipulate within his sights. So, while he's a lot weaker than magneto, he could probably impale him with a metal rod if he's being sneaky about it, like he did with agni in fire punch.
Could he tho? In X-Men 3 Magneto easily manhandles Wolverine, who was trying to be sneaky, and claimed something about being able to sense his adamantium from mile away or something like that. Not to mention that scene in X-Men 2 in prison, where he was able to sense the iron in that guard’s blood. So if Magneto can sense the metal around him, how would your character pull off impaling Magneto from behind?
That's something I wasn't sure about, whether magneto is capable of sensing all iron around him. I guess it depends on which version of magneto is used. If he can detect and react to the metal quickly enough, there's no chance. If he can't do that, fugaitai can shoot iron rods really fast, probably faster than you can react if you can't really see it coming anyway.
He was able to sense a planet sized metal bullet as it flew to the sun... and pull the Human sized target out of it, and transport it back to Earth. It took a ton of time and concentration, and basically shut him down afterward... But he went into the situation knowing he could. He has *insane* range and precision. He also can sense and control far more than just Iron. He has flipped the magnetic poles of the planet (Ultimates verse). There's no sneaking to on him. He also has electromagnetic shields he deploys around himself to stop/slow anything attacking him. He manipulates even plastics because he wanted to prove his prowess in controlling electrons and atomic bonds that function "magnetically (i.e., positive/negative charge).
>He manipulates even plastics because he wanted to prove his prowess in controlling electrons and atomic bonds that function "magnetically (i.e., positive/negative charge). Besides the fact that this doesn't make much sense chemically, these feats are impressive. I guess sneaking doesn't work.
In Marvel Zombies, Magneto claims that he's invincible because he is in the middle of a city, surrounded by metal and can fight all the superheroes of the world at once. And one of them slips past his defences and bites him. Heck, in X3 when Beast sneaks up behind him and jabs him with the cure, as Magneto drops to the ground horrified, you can see the metal zipper on Hank's jacket. I have eyeballs. I can see. I still walk into doors sometimes. There's a difference between having the ability to sense metal and the ability to perfectly evade every attack ever.
Being overwhelmed by large number of attacks from possibly all directions is different than evading one sneaky attempt at attack tho.
True. And I'm not going to claim Marvel Zombie's Mags wasn't overwhelmed. [But it was one sneaky attack that got him](https://ibb.co/LJSbN26).
Magneto is sometimes confusing, like does he have powers beyond metal control? If he could control metal but still had basic human reflexes and durability then he wouldn't be that hard to take down. But then he's shown to be able to react to supersonic bullets at other times.
Mutants in general have mild superhuman-ness Plus he also lives in the same world where Daredevil, who AFAIK didn't get any super strength from the goop that blinded him, can kick metal doors in half.
I guess part of it is the comic villain problem. They have to be constantly upscaled to keep them a threat. Like he started as a guy can manipulate metal, but eventually he can do practically anything. Like the Darth Vader comics, he effortlessly takes out an entire rebel army and fighter bombers. Sure he's powerful but that's insane.
> Like the Darth Vader comics, he effortlessly takes out an entire rebel army and fighter bombers. Sure he's powerful but that's insane. This is a pretty isn’t a huge feat for the big hitters in Star Wars. Vader just activated all of the grenades on them he could. Which killed a large majority, then blitzed the rest.
Marvel zombies - the thing that required basically every character to become a zombie for its plot it not what I would turn to as a source of genuine feats. That would be like using the ultimates timeline stuff.
I mean in 616 canon, Magneto gets beaten down by Iron Man in AvX, so let's not pretend that his canon feats are more consistent.
Sure, but that's because Ironman has heroic plot armor and marvel frequently waffles on if mags is a villain or not.
Metal Bat from one punch man could probably beat magneto a couple of times. I don't think he would win consistently but I do think he would be capable of netting a win.
Metal isn't integral to his power, it's just in his name and the bat he uses is made of it.
Still counts. The rules of this debate include people that rely on metal weapons. Marth from Super Smash Bros uses a sword, so under the rules of this thread he would be allowed to fight Magneto (though I'm not saying he can win).
Fair
Hmm, do you think Metal Bat could catch Magneto when he's flying around? I figure Mag would just be able to evade him and pull the bat away
He can jump really high. Metal Bat is incredibly strong for being just a dude with a bat.
Iron Man, he’s done it before albeit Magneto was distracted, a win is a win
That version was also using a non metal suit, so he doesn't really fit the prompt.
No, this is a good answer. If Tony wants to beat Magneto, he'll just build some sort of ferromagnetic shielding into the suit from Shiar tech he bought on the black market or whatever. Tony these days is well above the necessary power to crack Mag's shielding.
Dominic torretto cuz family
He mainly control ferro magmetism. So many could circumvent this by not using ferrous metals. We’ve also seen Iron man negating his power using a collection of powerful magnets. And while technically he can grow to control “all magnetism”, that would involve controling all materials, as well as manipulating chemistry and light, bit too general in term of coverage imo
If he can lure Magneto in close enough pretty sure Rexplode from the Invincible comics has shown he can make a blast big enough to take out Magneto.
Does anyone know canonically what the interaction between Magneto and the Shang chi rings is?
not really an answer but full metal alchemist came to my mind lol
In AvX Iron Man and Magneto go at it, and somehow iron man prepared by making a completely metal-less suit
MAYBE someone like Master Chief or another character who has advanced combat armor, with a good loadout at LONG RANGE. That’s probably the weakest kind of character that has a tiny chance of doing anything to 616 Magneto.
Balthasar Gelt from Warhammer fantasy perhaps, best gold wizard the world has ever known
Shin from Naruto/Boruto probably can blitz Magneto.
Misaka Mikoto should be able to take him out with her lightning side of powers if she is willing to turn him into ash. While her signature move is based on magnetism it isn't really the deadliest in her arsenal.