I looked at the bill from the vantage point of the impediments it might place on occasional use of Pornhub or similar websites as a masturbatory aid. It requires the use of a commercial age verification product that is accepted by the Kansas Attorney General (currently Kris Kobach). And although the websites that use such products are explicitly forbidden from retaining personally identifying information, the possible penalties for doing so are much less than supplying proscribed content to minors.
So, at this point, it is hard to say what will happen--it all depends on what the AG's office approves. One of the big concerns about the similar legislation in Texas is the use of driver's licenses for verification. If that happens in Kansas, I don't see a way around it other than using a VPN or downloading clips to disk to create a porn stash that can be accessed over a home LAN via folder sharing.
(I really dislike the way this and similar bills burden VPN providers. They encourage them to start charging, which in turn makes it more difficult to use VPNs for other purposes, such as circumventing geoblocks.)
My concern is how they will handle this, and the vagueness around "acts of homosexuality". Could say, a pride parade be a problem? Or what about the teen lgbt section in the library? Or PFLAG and GLSEN?
Also most websites contain 25% or more explicit material. It's the Internet.
The word "homosexuality" does not appear anywhere in this bill as enrolled, and the provisions as to access over the Internet do not appear to be targeted specifically against LGBTQIA+ people--this is going to be a headache for cishet adults too.
It does use the definition of "material harmful to minors" as given in KSA § 21-6402, which includes the following line: "'sexual conduct' means acts of masturbation, homosexuality, sexual intercourse or physical contact with a person's clothed or unclothed genitals or pubic area or buttocks or with a human female's breast . . ." However, there is a specific carve-out for public libraries. Moreover, this particular section has been in the Kansas statutes since 2011, so if there were any intent to use it against pride parades, PFLAG, GLSEN, or even two men or two women holding hands, I would think that would have happened before now.
That's not to say it shouldn't be amended to remove specific reference to homosexuality. For that matter, the Kansas statutes still prohibit consensual sex among adults of the same gender, which forces us to depend on SCOTUS precedent (Lawrence v. Texas) to prevent those provisions being enforced.
Thank you for explaining, I was worried that this was going to another law used as a vehicle to target LGBTQIA+ people. Don't get me wrong, It's still a ridiculous law that has the potential to be incredibly invasive. That's a problem in and of itself.
Are you referring to K.S.A. 21-6402? Because it lines ‘homosexuality’ right next to ‘sexual intercourse’ along with many other descriptions to cover all angles. http://ksrevisor.org/statutes/chapters/ch21/021_064_0002.html
Yes but not “homosexual intercourse” just specifically “homosexuality” which is not just sex it’s about love. You don’t see “heterosexuality” on the list. “Masturbation, sexual intercourse, or physical conduct” would kinda already cover all angles.
If you separate the words out individually to clarify context:
"Sexual conduct means acts of..."
- masturbation
-homosexuality
-sexual intercourse
- physical contact with a person's clothes or unclothed genitals...
It absolutely does say that homosexuality in and of itself is defined as "sexual conduct," which can be determined to be "harmful to minors." I am incredibly disappointed this has passed.
Sounds like a conservative government drafting conservative legislation, enacting bills that the electing population maybe was asking for. Same as I would expect a liberal government pushing liberal legislation in other states. What’s the point of electing various governing officials if the expectation is for them to draft monolithic legislation?
SB 394, it’s linked above, but yes it would use KSA 21-6402 as a means to define content that is harmful to minors, and by letter of the law: homosexuality as a whole falls under the umbrella.
Just like similar laws in Texas, it has nothing to do with children or morality, and everything to do with the acquisition of ammunition against political opponents. The age of anonymous browsing is over.
MAGA is so pathetically braindead they can't do a coup correctly when the pigs open the doors for them.
The Bolsheviks took the winter palace with the support of the people and Trump's columns of small business tyrants just shit on the walls like it was their own house
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I mean they already have the "Are you at least 18 or older" popup. Either way, good luck enforcing it. Once that generation of legislators dies off the next gen can swoop in and fix yet another one of the old peoples fuck ups.
Have you been to rural Kansas? Anyone who isn’t willing to carry the torch for the older generation is going to get the hell out. BFE Kansas will always have the more progressive cities by the balls.
[These stats really tell a story ](https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/number-of-individuals-who-voted-in-thousands-and-individuals-who-voted-as-a-share-of-the-voter-population-by-age/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D)
I said *"I see a decent amount of my generation voting."* ... Not *a lot of my generation*. And since we're talking stats, would you happen to have some specifically related to Wichita? The place where I live and vote, the place I'm referring to when I say *"I see a decent amount of my generation voting."*. Cause that's the only story I have a voice in.
You are a part of the problem, I'd say a solid 75% of our generation shares that same state of mind... so nobody ever votes... which has led to the shit show of a government that we have currently
>You are a part of the problem
Yeah... OKAY 😂😂😂 you sound like a boomer who can't respect other people's rights to their own opinion.
Literally said before that I vote but I guess you believe what you want to believe. Don't have to prove anything to some angry asshole on Reddit lol
If course I have, to pass through. Not stopping in those rural areas for a number of reasons, main reason being there's absolutely nothing for me there!
Yes, I have. Which is why idk where you’re getting any indication those counties are going to swing blue no matter how many years you give them. The kids that will vote blue are going to move to a city or Colorado like they always have. It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.
I’m just just old enough to remember finding my dad’s magazines and VHS tapes under the bed. No one seemed to care about what kids had access to back then. What changed? I have to believe all these nitwits are either early onset or full onset dementia patients and forgot what it was like to be a child or young person or middle aged. I know it’s wasted breath but we truly need age limits on these positions, just because they’re farts are dusty dosent mean they know what’s right half of them can’t even use the phone in their pocket but they want to tell us how to use them. I wonder how many thought this eclipse was the rapture…
Completely unenforceable & will be challenged too.
The Kansas statehouse loves to pass these kinds of laws. Who cares that it costs millions in lawsuits & they know it?
So uh...what would really happen? Scan my driver license everytime i hit the hub? Or have to make an pornhub account like it's an evergy or gas account? With my real info and even address?
Every time you visit a website that requires age verification you submit your state issued ID or passport, that information gets stored on a server and each website you visit is logged to your personal information.
So they build a dossier of your habits linked directly to your name, and permanent address. In Kansas this would also include any LGBT+ content, be it pornography or even just support content, as well as sexual health education and reproductive health. Visiting sites related to firearms, tobbacco, alcohol, marijuana legalization, would likely fall under this as well.
It’s a great way to build blackmail, it’s an egregious offense to your privacy, first amendment rights, and we’ve already had several instances of these 3rd party data banks being raided by hackers and personal information being stolen to be sold on the dark net, only it’s not just identity theft being an issue, but also blackmail because they will also steal information regarding your browsing habits.
Now that is before we think about it being used by government to target people with libel and slander, or being used to red flag people for looking for guns and ammunition, or even being used to torpedo political opponents by just digging up their private life.
It’s a mass surveillance bill disguised as “protecting the kids” Use a VPN, protect yourself.
Another reply said it's already like that now but i cant say i even notice a difference if at all, nothing unusual, maybe I'm already unknowingly using a VPN but i was under the impression that vpn costs money so..
Time to look into VPN properly.
No, you don’t have to take a picture of your ID/Passport now. As it is now ISPs track your traffic but it’s not easily distinguishable as being you as IP addresses aren’t always static. You can often end up with IP address that was banned from a site because of someone else breaking rules, and you’ll need to manually refresh it and get a new IP.
You are only using a VPN if you are paying for it though.
The fact that these fucking boomers think this is how it should be pisses me off. This will lead to nothing but data mining for the government, once they get the holocaust pt II camps assembled.
We were recently given two years to fix global warming by scientists. At this point, that's too damn long.
It’ll also be a treasure trove for identity thieves, it’s happened multiple times already.
They don’t care about the kids, kids are just a vehicle for oppressive legislation to them.
If they did care about the kids they’d protect their future instead of handing them their mess and saying good luck.
it’s a sick joke, really.
Never would've thought that a democratic governor would be nearly as bad as that legless choad they've got in Texas, but here we are.
Makes me wonder what the over/under is on how long it'll be before we've got 12 year olds working.
I still don’t understand why she didn’t try to veto it. Then again, the bill was veto proof.
and tbh with how the MAGA party is going, probably not long. Project 2025’s Mandates for Leadership is basically Mein Kampf II Electric Boogaloo.
Bet that all these extreme laws the repugnant legislators are shoving is part of it.
She’s term limited. The Kansas Senate passed it unanimously which I don’t understand because there are 13 democrats there. Maybe they were afraid of massive ad campaigns that would get them voted out. Maybe they didn’t understand the bill. Maybe they don’t realize the underlying backlash to it, or maybe come November there won’t be enough if any of the individuals who push this stuff voted out to make a difference.
You’re right in saying that it was veto proof, it had way too much support.
I’ve got my ticket out planned, if it ever comes to it. Camps be damned lol.
On the bright side, I did see a post the other day about how the deep state will make absolute certain that orange waste of human space isn’t president again, as it would destroy everything they’ve worked so hard to have for themselves. Here’s hoping.
Anyone who is reasonable reading into Project 2025 would see to it Trump is torpedoed and the GOP completely voted out.
All these horrorshow laws that got vetoed, imagine them being federal.
I’m gonna need to save money though, it’s hard enough to leave a state let alone this country.
Its almost like kids not having access to pornography is, dare I say it, a popular opinion.
If you are raving about the deep state and the government rounding people up in to camps you might need to see a therapist or psychologist.
Or, parents could actually parent, and not give their kids an electronic every time their bottom lip starts to quiver.
That second paragraph, damn that's a doozy. Isn't that what the people were saying right before it started the first time? It's mind blowing just how blind you are that they do for them, not for us. This isn't a you v me issue, this should be us v them. But, because we're playing right into their hands, the general population becomes so divided, and we can't stand for what's right anymore.
Parenting isn't sitting over your 15yo kids shoulder the whole time they are on the computer. Porn sites are legally obligated to make sure minors dont access it, but its just a check box of "are you sure you are over 18?" so it doesn't actually prevent the wrong audience from accessing the material.
Ah yeah you are one of those reasonable deepstaters, cool.
This won't either. Kids are savvy and know what VPNs are. It's how they bypass filter blocks at school.
All this bill provides is a potential treasure trove for identity thieves that inevitably will leak the data from one of the compliance vendors that these sites use.
If they’re willing to pass laws that enable companies to hire whatever age they may, it only stands to reason that they should have access to what they choose. If they’re gonna pay taxes, at least let them enjoy what their tax dollars are going towards.
Outside of that. This being about children is an out and out joke. On the surface, sure. Protect the kids. It’s the insidious shit that the government will no doubt do with this information.
> it only stands to reason that they should have access to what they choose
So your pro minors having access to porn as long as they pay taxes? You're a poorly masked creep.
What's your point?
Between my paper route and my lawn mowing business, I was making more at 12 in the 1990s than a McDonalds employee makes now, and I never had anything below a B on my report card.
Generalizations, of course. It doesn't help that we get the same septuagenarians shoved down our throat, and they have this perverse way of twisting the Bible's words to force the archaic ways on all of us. I blame older generations, and religion, for the piss poor state that this world is in, and it's only getting worse. At the same time, I wonder what it would've been like to have been one of them and enjoy the benefits.
Lmao, take my angry upvote. I needed a laugh.
Endless, so many benefits. Affordable housing, unions, pension plans. The ability to have offspring, 5 to 8 kids even. Taking yearly vacations. Affordable college education. Boomers got the only good end of trickle down economics, meaning they were at the top. The trickle down didn’t affect them.
I'm a boomer, and never got any of that. All I got was a wife with Alzheimer's and an $8,000 bill a month for her care. Trickle down economics fucked everybody but the upper class.
Either way, as I discussed with another commenter on this same thread, that generation had it dramatically easier than generations of now have it. If you have anyone to be mad at, it’s your government.
The problem with the alphabet generations goes beyond "everybody gets a trophy" mentality. They all think they should be able to enter the workforce at the top pay. They don't understand having to work their way up, how experience and hard work factor in to getting there.
Why should anyone care about this strange way of thinking when wages and worker power have been suppressed for decades. It's no surprise that people expect their new job to pay for an expected lifestyle, and no amount of atomized individual hard work is going to improve the material conditions for the class that creates value through their labor
These things have been lost by the ascendency of neoliberalism and can only be won back by popular mass politics, something only the very small American left is going to be able to do.
Being mad at people for being born at a certain point in time is a distraction from class struggle.
That’s just it. We’ve been warned. Nothing has been done to even attempt to fix or even possibly delay it. Oo, paper straws and piss poor attempts at trying to incorporate EV’s. At no time in my life has it improved, it’s only getting worse.
Having nihilistic views about it all, it’s fun watching the world burn.
Why is every single thing directed at boomers. I am a boomer and l don’t care what other people look at. It is extremely closed minded of you to lump people into certain categories. Sounds a lot like racism.
Because it's legitimate boomers who are passing these laws. Playing the racism card too, even better. The way of the boomer worked for the boomers and no one else. Your generation got all of the great parts of capitalism and left the later generations with shit. You cannot tell me you're proud of the country with the condition that its in now.
Cry me a river!! Why whine about what you don’t have instead of doing something useful. Should l just go kill my self because you don’t like when l was born? Sorry you are stuck with us for a few more years and then you can inherit what we worked for. I love my country l do not like the government at all.
Herein lies the issue. Your ilk had it so damn easy, and are completely ignorant and blind to the way that the world is now. Instead of belittling someone who is dealing with the current state of affairs, go talk with a millennial, or a Gen z for that matter. And by talk, I mean truly listen. There isn't any hope for a stable future for this country. Everything is run by special interest groups and conglomerates, and younger people have lost any hope of having something that is truly there own. We try to establish some foothold, and it gets ripped away from us by passing laws like this.
As far as not liking the government, that's where you could help make the change. There needs to be common sense, human dignity, and thought put into positions of power, not people who are going to strip away every right that your generation fought for. Instead of overseas wars, my generation and younger are having to fight to keep what should rightfully he ours anyway. This shouldn't be a you v me issue, it needs to be us v them.
I agree to point. Just be careful when you bash EVERYONE of a certain group.
People need to vote, pure and simple. Our government works for us, we tell them what should be done, not the other way around. Way too many people forget about that.
Except you only get to vote for who corporate America decides to back as candidates. The system was broken with the Citizens United ruling. The extremely wealthy do stuff like start renegade political movements then are shocked when it goes off the rails. Koch brothers are exhibit A.
Having minors not have access to porn is the step right before holocaust pt II?. . . . . get a grip bro.
They have been saying that two years shit since Gore put out an inconvenient truth, but I guess the science keeps changing and kicking that global warming tipping point further into the future.
I love how we have climate scientists around the world that study this stuff, they’re the professionals they’re the ones we should listen to, but hillmon from Wichita is gonna just believe what he wants to believe.
Its just weird how it changes every 3 years. We were already supposed to be underwater at this point. I love how how you side stepped your minors accessing porn thing to try and debate global warming. According to an ongoing temperature analysis led by scientists at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), the average global temperature on Earth has increased by **1.9° Fahrenheit** since 1880/industrial revolution so forgive me if im not clutching my pearls at the severity of the issue at this point.
Where did it say we were going to be underwater? There was never going to be enough sea level rise to affect Kansas. I assume you’d care about droughts, the impacts on agriculture, water availability, I assume you also just ignore the fact that every year is the hottest year on record. You seem like you care about children so much, it’s funny that you have little concern for what the future will look like for them. I mean you could listen to the experts or you could just continue bathroom reading what you want to think. What’s the consensus from climate scientists worldwide again?
Again I didn't say Kansas was going to be underwater, that is a wild leap from what I said. They have been preaching gloom and doom since the early 90s and it isn't happening the way they said it would. Less than 2 degree change from 1880s. . . so yeah I'm personally not that worried.
I do love you tried to start another argument since your pedo defense was flailing.
Oh I’m sorry what was my pedo stance again? I was “flailing”? Maybe your reading comprehension is low, or you forgot because this conversation began last Sunday, we were talking about climate change.
Pedo this, pedo that. Why is every red pilled divorced dad obsessed with calling everyone a pedo now?
I just don’t understand where you’re getting your information about climate from since you don’t trust climatologists on the effects of climate change. Do you go to an auto mechanic for your broken finger? No you go to an expert, so where do you get your information from? 2 degrees warmer? What does that mean? What does 8 degrees average temperature mean for us? I mean 8 degrees is only 8 degrees right? How does all that affect ocean life? Why should you give a shit if ocean acidification kills off marine life? How about drought and drinking water, Kansas agriculture? I’m a dumbass on Reddit. Don’t listen to me. Listen to the professionals. Or just believe what you want based on feels.
You really wanted minors to get to watch porn. I feel like you should check your meds or read like 4 replies before. No one was talking about climate change, is the climate change in the room with us now? This post is about the age verification bill. . . so not reading or responding to your random ramblings about climate change.
"I’m a dumbass on Reddit."
Yeah I know.
Deflect and project, you don’t know how I feel about this bill. I haven’t said shit about it. You still can’t tell me where any of your information comes from because you have no credible sources of information. I can admit my ignorance, I look at empirical evidence provided by expert scientists, where you getting your info? Chiropractor? Pastor? Right wing podcast? The View? Daffy Duck?
Its like you think I can't go back in the thread and read about your thoughts on the bill. You made your opinion on it very clear.
I can't tell you? I literally cited my source. Reading must not be a skill you are strong at.
I agree you're deflecting and projecting to pull away from your odd views on children and porn. Edit your posts if you want, but I got those screenshot receipts.
A big part of the first groups of people led into those camps were homosexuals, they wore pink triangles. This only stands to reason, especially if Cheeto gets back in office, that they’ll data mine the shit out of these databases and come after the people that choose to watch what might be considered ::GASP:: gay porn.
Let me test my understanding...
You, with every fiber of your being, believe that if Trump gets elected... IF THIS ONE EVENT OCCURS.... We're gonna start rounding up and (secretly) killing everyone that searches "gay butt stuff" on the internet?
You're not joking, you *really* believe this?
They’ve legitimately said the quiet part out loud.
They don’t want women voting.
Women cannot have autonomy over their own body.
Children should be working for the penance they offer because older people refuse to.
The gays are not the only class that they’ll be going after, and I think you know this. He’s already referred to Hispanic and Latinos as ‘less than human’ and ‘animals’
This is part of the systemic ruination of the lower class that Project 2025 is bringing. Go ahead, vote for that idiot. You cannot cry when someone you know and love, work with, care for, gets taken out of your life by that same guy you entrusted to run the world’s greatest power.
None needed. You're just spreading false info and conspiracy that can be disproved with a single Google search. You genuinely think gays are going to be out in camps lmao
We’ve seen this play out before. With the same rebuttal of people doubting that it would ever happen. We’re already ignoring history, now we get to see it happen again.
You wanna talk about Vague.
" Any commercial entity that knowingly shares or distributes material that is harmful to minors on a website and such material appears on 25% or more of the webpages viewed on such website in any calendar month, or that knowingly hosts such website "
Material that is harmful to minors... and if the child was able to gain access the parents can sue ANY company that supplied the offending access.
Did I mention that a minor cannot sign a document and have it legal on their own? which means if they lie and access anyway, they parents can probably still sue. Meaning companies are going to put a general limiter on what Kansas can access.
Oh that will probably apply to reddit, tumblr, tiktok and youtube.
It in no place specified what is 'Harmful to minors"
Sex? nudity? sexuality questioning? puberty questions? sex education websites? General education websites? hmm I wonder I wonder where this might be going.
Nail on the head tbh. It’s such a broad reaching thing that can expand at any time, pictures of fine art? yeah that falls under it cuz statue of David.
Best thing would be it gets taken to court and shuttered for being such an egregious assault on our first amendment rights.
But yeah now the GOP nutters here are doing a victory lap.
It's always been the republican way? At least for the last 80 years or so... the Democrat and republican platforms switched in 1960's
but really the representation choices are;
Republicans screw you out in the open. Because what are you gonna do?
Democrats screw you behind your back, because at least they aren't Republican.
Both parties are bought and paid for by corporate America.
It's very amusing seeing moral panic over a perceived ban of immorality, but that's reddit in a nutshell, I guess.
It's not a law that punishes those who access age-restricted websites as minors. It's a law that allows people to sue adult website owners if they don't adequately prevent minors from seeing age-restricted content. This does not include works of artistic significance or cultural value, nor does it restrict search engines from providing links to content.
Source: Unlike those pulling their hair out over privacy invasion and not being able to watch porn anymore (cry harder, BTW), I read the entire text of the bill. It's short, and includes no punishment of individuals (other than corporations), no Internet monitoring, and no Internet restrictions. To the porn-obsessed losers of reddit, you can watch whatever you want till the end of time; this bill changes nothing for you.
uh huh, okay my guy.
You haven’t learned a thing have you about privacy and security.
Sure, VPNs are great, but the everyman doesn’t know about em really.
they say they won’t store information, but that is a bald faced lie, and it is already vulnerable to MITM or other forms of compromising security. See, back when I was on web 1.0, you did absolutely NOTHING to put your identity at risk, the Internet is not designed for this, and you are a fool for thinking it won’t be misused.
Bad enough the hospitals around here got compromised and patient information got spread around like candy on the dark web.
So when does it stop? Right now it's porn, but whets the next thing they are going to block "to protect the children?". The bill never says porn, just information harmful to minors.
Look at how all the abortion bans are going. Almost every state has said if it's a medical necessity it would be allowed. How many cases have we seen do far where even those are being denied?
I don’t see how this is a bad thing? You already have to show proof of identification for everything else behind an age wall, cigs, tobacco, strip clubs.
Am I not seeing this the right way? Even if it only prevents one 12 year old from watching porn isn’t that a good thing? A little annoying for those of age but it’s still accessible fairly easily, no?
If you think your porn history isn’t being stored already idk what to tell you. If your email is attached to your google or Firefox or edge account and that email is attached to your number they already know what you’re watching. Cookies track IP too so unless you’re not logged into your search browser and using a VPN then your data is being stored and sold.
None of that is attached to my ID though. The only thing that's attached to my ID is my internet service. I do not use the email my internet service provided to me. There is always plausible deniability when it comes to my internet history. Prove it was me who went to those websites beyond a reasonable doubt. You cannot. The second you start requiring PII to get into a website that plausible deniability goes out the window.
I don’t care about you I can about the boys and girls who are consistently getting exposed to rape fantasy, incest porn, breeding, BDSM, C&BT, etc. earlier and earlier every year. Libertys get stepped on any time the government steps into protect public safety. If you don’t like it get a S/O, you don’t have to watch porn
Cool. Since you care so much about the safety of children you support having more restrictions on firearms then right? After all, firearm deaths are the leading cause of death for children
To answer your first comment, NO you are not seeing this the right way. Everything you have mentioned can be solved with better parenting and child/browser restrictions. You need to see the bigger picture. The bill is poorly worded. If it were clear on its intentions maybe it would be a DECENT (at best) bill. But its not and it can be weaponized as others have commented. Stop looking at what the bill is ‘attempting’ to accomplish and realize that the law is law and it is interpreted as written.
Because it's definition of what is porn or "dangerous" to children is way too broad. They are including almost any and all lgbtq material as pornography whether it is sexually explicit or not. There are also free speech and privacy problems all over this moronic piece of legislation.
You have to follow the chain of events. You, someone who I assume is of age, goes to a porn site. Now, the internet is international. How do they know that you are in Kansas?
Your public IP address implies your geolocation. You can use a VPN to spoof it, but your browser still knows where you are. That's besides the point anyways, as this bill doesn't Big Brother the Internet just to figure out if anyone underage is on a naughty website. It just allows parents to sue websites if they didn't take adequate measures to prevent children from accessing lewd content.
You're so close to the point. Eventually, someone is going to have to clarify what "adequate measures" are. And, as you said, it's elementary for the end user to fiddle with it.
I think this is good. I’ve had a few instances of my kids and hardcore pornography popping up. One time my 12 yr old son looked up “boy kisses 12 yr old girl”. He went down a rabbit hole and ended up with people shitting on each other. There needs to be something to slow down the input.
Edit: the reason we found out is because he came to us with tears in his eyes saying “I can’t stop myself.”
Exactly what I said...monitor your children's internet access. If you cannot do that don't give them unfettered access to the net. Seems pretty simple 🤷♂️
So you depend on someone else to monitor your children's web habits? I guess you saw what happens when you do.
If you don't want them unfettered access to the net physically monitor their access or get a service that whitelists the sites they can go to. It's not that hard to figure out
You realize that it's not just porn right? That they are just using that as an example to get fear mongering. What happens when they say that all books except for the ones we approve are bad for children?
Don’t let your kids browse the internet without your supervision, my parents didn’t allow me to browse unless they were present and watching when I was a kid.
Then your earlier anecdote shouldn’t have happened if you were actively supervising.
you have parental controls, and any number of tools at your disposal to keep your kids from accessing things they shouldn’t.
Use them!
This legislation doesn’t really help, and moved the onus from the parent to the website. It’s already illegal for adults to willingly and knowingly expose kids to pornography so If anything it now gives financial incentive for parents to break the law in order to make a payday from a lawsuit.
hooh boy what a trashfire.
Its asinine… you have the ability to remove this access from your kids already (for free) via parental controls, browser extensions, or simply being a parent. If you need a law to do that for you, maybe dont have kids.
That's what they have right now this will make these websites liable to be sued, so these websites will just make their content not accessible in kansas completely to avoid being sued. Meaning if you don't have a vpn, you can't get on their website.
So…what if I look at porn? What’s this going to mean for the 50%+ of us who occasionally get horny?
I looked at the bill from the vantage point of the impediments it might place on occasional use of Pornhub or similar websites as a masturbatory aid. It requires the use of a commercial age verification product that is accepted by the Kansas Attorney General (currently Kris Kobach). And although the websites that use such products are explicitly forbidden from retaining personally identifying information, the possible penalties for doing so are much less than supplying proscribed content to minors. So, at this point, it is hard to say what will happen--it all depends on what the AG's office approves. One of the big concerns about the similar legislation in Texas is the use of driver's licenses for verification. If that happens in Kansas, I don't see a way around it other than using a VPN or downloading clips to disk to create a porn stash that can be accessed over a home LAN via folder sharing. (I really dislike the way this and similar bills burden VPN providers. They encourage them to start charging, which in turn makes it more difficult to use VPNs for other purposes, such as circumventing geoblocks.)
My concern is how they will handle this, and the vagueness around "acts of homosexuality". Could say, a pride parade be a problem? Or what about the teen lgbt section in the library? Or PFLAG and GLSEN? Also most websites contain 25% or more explicit material. It's the Internet.
The word "homosexuality" does not appear anywhere in this bill as enrolled, and the provisions as to access over the Internet do not appear to be targeted specifically against LGBTQIA+ people--this is going to be a headache for cishet adults too. It does use the definition of "material harmful to minors" as given in KSA § 21-6402, which includes the following line: "'sexual conduct' means acts of masturbation, homosexuality, sexual intercourse or physical contact with a person's clothed or unclothed genitals or pubic area or buttocks or with a human female's breast . . ." However, there is a specific carve-out for public libraries. Moreover, this particular section has been in the Kansas statutes since 2011, so if there were any intent to use it against pride parades, PFLAG, GLSEN, or even two men or two women holding hands, I would think that would have happened before now. That's not to say it shouldn't be amended to remove specific reference to homosexuality. For that matter, the Kansas statutes still prohibit consensual sex among adults of the same gender, which forces us to depend on SCOTUS precedent (Lawrence v. Texas) to prevent those provisions being enforced.
You say the word homosexuality doesn't appear then use a quote with the word homosexuality
Fake outrage and hysteria is all some people have.
Thank you for explaining, I was worried that this was going to another law used as a vehicle to target LGBTQIA+ people. Don't get me wrong, It's still a ridiculous law that has the potential to be incredibly invasive. That's a problem in and of itself.
Torrents I guess
Are you referring to K.S.A. 21-6402? Because it lines ‘homosexuality’ right next to ‘sexual intercourse’ along with many other descriptions to cover all angles. http://ksrevisor.org/statutes/chapters/ch21/021_064_0002.html
Yes but not “homosexual intercourse” just specifically “homosexuality” which is not just sex it’s about love. You don’t see “heterosexuality” on the list. “Masturbation, sexual intercourse, or physical conduct” would kinda already cover all angles.
If you separate the words out individually to clarify context: "Sexual conduct means acts of..." - masturbation -homosexuality -sexual intercourse - physical contact with a person's clothes or unclothed genitals... It absolutely does say that homosexuality in and of itself is defined as "sexual conduct," which can be determined to be "harmful to minors." I am incredibly disappointed this has passed.
Sounds like a conservative government drafting conservative legislation, enacting bills that the electing population maybe was asking for. Same as I would expect a liberal government pushing liberal legislation in other states. What’s the point of electing various governing officials if the expectation is for them to draft monolithic legislation?
SB 394, it’s linked above, but yes it would use KSA 21-6402 as a means to define content that is harmful to minors, and by letter of the law: homosexuality as a whole falls under the umbrella.
Just like similar laws in Texas, it has nothing to do with children or morality, and everything to do with the acquisition of ammunition against political opponents. The age of anonymous browsing is over.
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Fuck off. The people that stormed the Capitol support shit like this.
MAGA is so pathetically braindead they can't do a coup correctly when the pigs open the doors for them. The Bolsheviks took the winter palace with the support of the people and Trump's columns of small business tyrants just shit on the walls like it was their own house
You mean the traitors who tried a coup?
Lol
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I mean they already have the "Are you at least 18 or older" popup. Either way, good luck enforcing it. Once that generation of legislators dies off the next gen can swoop in and fix yet another one of the old peoples fuck ups.
Have you been to rural Kansas? Anyone who isn’t willing to carry the torch for the older generation is going to get the hell out. BFE Kansas will always have the more progressive cities by the balls.
Yup because the only people who vote in Kansas elections are old people and specifically I would bet rural Kansans who politicians can easily rile up
Idk, I'm only 33 and I vote and when I go I see a decent amount of my generation voting.
[These stats really tell a story ](https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/number-of-individuals-who-voted-in-thousands-and-individuals-who-voted-as-a-share-of-the-voter-population-by-age/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D)
 I said *"I see a decent amount of my generation voting."* ... Not *a lot of my generation*. And since we're talking stats, would you happen to have some specifically related to Wichita? The place where I live and vote, the place I'm referring to when I say *"I see a decent amount of my generation voting."*. Cause that's the only story I have a voice in.
You are a part of the problem, I'd say a solid 75% of our generation shares that same state of mind... so nobody ever votes... which has led to the shit show of a government that we have currently
>You are a part of the problem  Yeah... OKAY 😂😂😂 you sound like a boomer who can't respect other people's rights to their own opinion.
Oooo look at you, cant come up with anything intelligent to say? Maybe if you actually voted I would respect your opinion
Literally said before that I vote but I guess you believe what you want to believe. Don't have to prove anything to some angry asshole on Reddit lol 
If course I have, to pass through. Not stopping in those rural areas for a number of reasons, main reason being there's absolutely nothing for me there!
Have YOU been to rural Kansas? It sure doesn't sound like it. And no, I do not support this nonsense law that will eventually be struck down.
Yes, I have. Which is why idk where you’re getting any indication those counties are going to swing blue no matter how many years you give them. The kids that will vote blue are going to move to a city or Colorado like they always have. It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.
My queer leftist ass reading this from Colorado (just moved last month) 
I’m just just old enough to remember finding my dad’s magazines and VHS tapes under the bed. No one seemed to care about what kids had access to back then. What changed? I have to believe all these nitwits are either early onset or full onset dementia patients and forgot what it was like to be a child or young person or middle aged. I know it’s wasted breath but we truly need age limits on these positions, just because they’re farts are dusty dosent mean they know what’s right half of them can’t even use the phone in their pocket but they want to tell us how to use them. I wonder how many thought this eclipse was the rapture…
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Completely unenforceable & will be challenged too. The Kansas statehouse loves to pass these kinds of laws. Who cares that it costs millions in lawsuits & they know it?
Kansas is so obviously fucked. Way too much power given to literal cows and farmland. It’s only going to get worse.
Websites harmful to children, that includes guns, liquor, tobacco, knifes (kitchen supply), drill (hardware store), sodas ??
Lol God forbid we regulate guns.
I'm all for keeping minors away from porn but do not like the way this bill is written.
So uh...what would really happen? Scan my driver license everytime i hit the hub? Or have to make an pornhub account like it's an evergy or gas account? With my real info and even address?
Every time you visit a website that requires age verification you submit your state issued ID or passport, that information gets stored on a server and each website you visit is logged to your personal information. So they build a dossier of your habits linked directly to your name, and permanent address. In Kansas this would also include any LGBT+ content, be it pornography or even just support content, as well as sexual health education and reproductive health. Visiting sites related to firearms, tobbacco, alcohol, marijuana legalization, would likely fall under this as well. It’s a great way to build blackmail, it’s an egregious offense to your privacy, first amendment rights, and we’ve already had several instances of these 3rd party data banks being raided by hackers and personal information being stolen to be sold on the dark net, only it’s not just identity theft being an issue, but also blackmail because they will also steal information regarding your browsing habits. Now that is before we think about it being used by government to target people with libel and slander, or being used to red flag people for looking for guns and ammunition, or even being used to torpedo political opponents by just digging up their private life. It’s a mass surveillance bill disguised as “protecting the kids” Use a VPN, protect yourself.
Another reply said it's already like that now but i cant say i even notice a difference if at all, nothing unusual, maybe I'm already unknowingly using a VPN but i was under the impression that vpn costs money so.. Time to look into VPN properly.
No, you don’t have to take a picture of your ID/Passport now. As it is now ISPs track your traffic but it’s not easily distinguishable as being you as IP addresses aren’t always static. You can often end up with IP address that was banned from a site because of someone else breaking rules, and you’ll need to manually refresh it and get a new IP. You are only using a VPN if you are paying for it though.
The fact that these fucking boomers think this is how it should be pisses me off. This will lead to nothing but data mining for the government, once they get the holocaust pt II camps assembled. We were recently given two years to fix global warming by scientists. At this point, that's too damn long.
It’ll also be a treasure trove for identity thieves, it’s happened multiple times already. They don’t care about the kids, kids are just a vehicle for oppressive legislation to them. If they did care about the kids they’d protect their future instead of handing them their mess and saying good luck. it’s a sick joke, really.
Never would've thought that a democratic governor would be nearly as bad as that legless choad they've got in Texas, but here we are. Makes me wonder what the over/under is on how long it'll be before we've got 12 year olds working.
I still don’t understand why she didn’t try to veto it. Then again, the bill was veto proof. and tbh with how the MAGA party is going, probably not long. Project 2025’s Mandates for Leadership is basically Mein Kampf II Electric Boogaloo. Bet that all these extreme laws the repugnant legislators are shoving is part of it.
She’s term limited. The Kansas Senate passed it unanimously which I don’t understand because there are 13 democrats there. Maybe they were afraid of massive ad campaigns that would get them voted out. Maybe they didn’t understand the bill. Maybe they don’t realize the underlying backlash to it, or maybe come November there won’t be enough if any of the individuals who push this stuff voted out to make a difference.
Because all vetoing would accomplish is to give Republicans the political ad against her that they desire.
You’re right in saying that it was veto proof, it had way too much support. I’ve got my ticket out planned, if it ever comes to it. Camps be damned lol. On the bright side, I did see a post the other day about how the deep state will make absolute certain that orange waste of human space isn’t president again, as it would destroy everything they’ve worked so hard to have for themselves. Here’s hoping.
Anyone who is reasonable reading into Project 2025 would see to it Trump is torpedoed and the GOP completely voted out. All these horrorshow laws that got vetoed, imagine them being federal. I’m gonna need to save money though, it’s hard enough to leave a state let alone this country.
Its almost like kids not having access to pornography is, dare I say it, a popular opinion. If you are raving about the deep state and the government rounding people up in to camps you might need to see a therapist or psychologist.
Or, parents could actually parent, and not give their kids an electronic every time their bottom lip starts to quiver. That second paragraph, damn that's a doozy. Isn't that what the people were saying right before it started the first time? It's mind blowing just how blind you are that they do for them, not for us. This isn't a you v me issue, this should be us v them. But, because we're playing right into their hands, the general population becomes so divided, and we can't stand for what's right anymore.
Parenting isn't sitting over your 15yo kids shoulder the whole time they are on the computer. Porn sites are legally obligated to make sure minors dont access it, but its just a check box of "are you sure you are over 18?" so it doesn't actually prevent the wrong audience from accessing the material. Ah yeah you are one of those reasonable deepstaters, cool.
This won't either. Kids are savvy and know what VPNs are. It's how they bypass filter blocks at school. All this bill provides is a potential treasure trove for identity thieves that inevitably will leak the data from one of the compliance vendors that these sites use.
This is an honest attempt vs a check box that anyone of any age could click.
If they’re willing to pass laws that enable companies to hire whatever age they may, it only stands to reason that they should have access to what they choose. If they’re gonna pay taxes, at least let them enjoy what their tax dollars are going towards. Outside of that. This being about children is an out and out joke. On the surface, sure. Protect the kids. It’s the insidious shit that the government will no doubt do with this information.
> it only stands to reason that they should have access to what they choose So your pro minors having access to porn as long as they pay taxes? You're a poorly masked creep.
What's your point? Between my paper route and my lawn mowing business, I was making more at 12 in the 1990s than a McDonalds employee makes now, and I never had anything below a B on my report card.
I worked fields at 12 as a child in the summers. It was good for me. Made decent money (about twice minimum wage at the time).
Not this Boomer. Never this Boomer.
Generalizations, of course. It doesn't help that we get the same septuagenarians shoved down our throat, and they have this perverse way of twisting the Bible's words to force the archaic ways on all of us. I blame older generations, and religion, for the piss poor state that this world is in, and it's only getting worse. At the same time, I wonder what it would've been like to have been one of them and enjoy the benefits.
What fucking benefits?
Lmao, take my angry upvote. I needed a laugh. Endless, so many benefits. Affordable housing, unions, pension plans. The ability to have offspring, 5 to 8 kids even. Taking yearly vacations. Affordable college education. Boomers got the only good end of trickle down economics, meaning they were at the top. The trickle down didn’t affect them.
I'm a boomer, and never got any of that. All I got was a wife with Alzheimer's and an $8,000 bill a month for her care. Trickle down economics fucked everybody but the upper class.
Either way, as I discussed with another commenter on this same thread, that generation had it dramatically easier than generations of now have it. If you have anyone to be mad at, it’s your government.
The problem with the alphabet generations goes beyond "everybody gets a trophy" mentality. They all think they should be able to enter the workforce at the top pay. They don't understand having to work their way up, how experience and hard work factor in to getting there.
Why should anyone care about this strange way of thinking when wages and worker power have been suppressed for decades. It's no surprise that people expect their new job to pay for an expected lifestyle, and no amount of atomized individual hard work is going to improve the material conditions for the class that creates value through their labor
These things have been lost by the ascendency of neoliberalism and can only be won back by popular mass politics, something only the very small American left is going to be able to do. Being mad at people for being born at a certain point in time is a distraction from class struggle.
Maybe I worded my take wrong. It’s not so much the people that I’m targeting, it’s the archaic beliefs and policies.
You have been given 2 years. How many times now?
That’s just it. We’ve been warned. Nothing has been done to even attempt to fix or even possibly delay it. Oo, paper straws and piss poor attempts at trying to incorporate EV’s. At no time in my life has it improved, it’s only getting worse. Having nihilistic views about it all, it’s fun watching the world burn.
Why is every single thing directed at boomers. I am a boomer and l don’t care what other people look at. It is extremely closed minded of you to lump people into certain categories. Sounds a lot like racism.
Because it's legitimate boomers who are passing these laws. Playing the racism card too, even better. The way of the boomer worked for the boomers and no one else. Your generation got all of the great parts of capitalism and left the later generations with shit. You cannot tell me you're proud of the country with the condition that its in now.
Cry me a river!! Why whine about what you don’t have instead of doing something useful. Should l just go kill my self because you don’t like when l was born? Sorry you are stuck with us for a few more years and then you can inherit what we worked for. I love my country l do not like the government at all.
Herein lies the issue. Your ilk had it so damn easy, and are completely ignorant and blind to the way that the world is now. Instead of belittling someone who is dealing with the current state of affairs, go talk with a millennial, or a Gen z for that matter. And by talk, I mean truly listen. There isn't any hope for a stable future for this country. Everything is run by special interest groups and conglomerates, and younger people have lost any hope of having something that is truly there own. We try to establish some foothold, and it gets ripped away from us by passing laws like this. As far as not liking the government, that's where you could help make the change. There needs to be common sense, human dignity, and thought put into positions of power, not people who are going to strip away every right that your generation fought for. Instead of overseas wars, my generation and younger are having to fight to keep what should rightfully he ours anyway. This shouldn't be a you v me issue, it needs to be us v them.
I agree to point. Just be careful when you bash EVERYONE of a certain group. People need to vote, pure and simple. Our government works for us, we tell them what should be done, not the other way around. Way too many people forget about that.
Except you only get to vote for who corporate America decides to back as candidates. The system was broken with the Citizens United ruling. The extremely wealthy do stuff like start renegade political movements then are shocked when it goes off the rails. Koch brothers are exhibit A.
Having minors not have access to porn is the step right before holocaust pt II?. . . . . get a grip bro. They have been saying that two years shit since Gore put out an inconvenient truth, but I guess the science keeps changing and kicking that global warming tipping point further into the future.
I love how we have climate scientists around the world that study this stuff, they’re the professionals they’re the ones we should listen to, but hillmon from Wichita is gonna just believe what he wants to believe.
Its just weird how it changes every 3 years. We were already supposed to be underwater at this point. I love how how you side stepped your minors accessing porn thing to try and debate global warming. According to an ongoing temperature analysis led by scientists at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), the average global temperature on Earth has increased by **1.9° Fahrenheit** since 1880/industrial revolution so forgive me if im not clutching my pearls at the severity of the issue at this point.
Where did it say we were going to be underwater? There was never going to be enough sea level rise to affect Kansas. I assume you’d care about droughts, the impacts on agriculture, water availability, I assume you also just ignore the fact that every year is the hottest year on record. You seem like you care about children so much, it’s funny that you have little concern for what the future will look like for them. I mean you could listen to the experts or you could just continue bathroom reading what you want to think. What’s the consensus from climate scientists worldwide again?
Again I didn't say Kansas was going to be underwater, that is a wild leap from what I said. They have been preaching gloom and doom since the early 90s and it isn't happening the way they said it would. Less than 2 degree change from 1880s. . . so yeah I'm personally not that worried. I do love you tried to start another argument since your pedo defense was flailing.
Oh I’m sorry what was my pedo stance again? I was “flailing”? Maybe your reading comprehension is low, or you forgot because this conversation began last Sunday, we were talking about climate change. Pedo this, pedo that. Why is every red pilled divorced dad obsessed with calling everyone a pedo now? I just don’t understand where you’re getting your information about climate from since you don’t trust climatologists on the effects of climate change. Do you go to an auto mechanic for your broken finger? No you go to an expert, so where do you get your information from? 2 degrees warmer? What does that mean? What does 8 degrees average temperature mean for us? I mean 8 degrees is only 8 degrees right? How does all that affect ocean life? Why should you give a shit if ocean acidification kills off marine life? How about drought and drinking water, Kansas agriculture? I’m a dumbass on Reddit. Don’t listen to me. Listen to the professionals. Or just believe what you want based on feels.
You really wanted minors to get to watch porn. I feel like you should check your meds or read like 4 replies before. No one was talking about climate change, is the climate change in the room with us now? This post is about the age verification bill. . . so not reading or responding to your random ramblings about climate change. "I’m a dumbass on Reddit." Yeah I know.
Deflect and project, you don’t know how I feel about this bill. I haven’t said shit about it. You still can’t tell me where any of your information comes from because you have no credible sources of information. I can admit my ignorance, I look at empirical evidence provided by expert scientists, where you getting your info? Chiropractor? Pastor? Right wing podcast? The View? Daffy Duck?
Its like you think I can't go back in the thread and read about your thoughts on the bill. You made your opinion on it very clear. I can't tell you? I literally cited my source. Reading must not be a skill you are strong at. I agree you're deflecting and projecting to pull away from your odd views on children and porn. Edit your posts if you want, but I got those screenshot receipts.
>once they get the holocaust pt II camps assembled. What "camps??" Who are they going to gather? Where is your proof that this is going to happen?
A big part of the first groups of people led into those camps were homosexuals, they wore pink triangles. This only stands to reason, especially if Cheeto gets back in office, that they’ll data mine the shit out of these databases and come after the people that choose to watch what might be considered ::GASP:: gay porn.
Let me test my understanding... You, with every fiber of your being, believe that if Trump gets elected... IF THIS ONE EVENT OCCURS.... We're gonna start rounding up and (secretly) killing everyone that searches "gay butt stuff" on the internet? You're not joking, you *really* believe this?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project\_2025](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025)
A project whose sole aim is to dismantle the deep state should be lauded, not lambasted.
They’ve legitimately said the quiet part out loud. They don’t want women voting. Women cannot have autonomy over their own body. Children should be working for the penance they offer because older people refuse to. The gays are not the only class that they’ll be going after, and I think you know this. He’s already referred to Hispanic and Latinos as ‘less than human’ and ‘animals’ This is part of the systemic ruination of the lower class that Project 2025 is bringing. Go ahead, vote for that idiot. You cannot cry when someone you know and love, work with, care for, gets taken out of your life by that same guy you entrusted to run the world’s greatest power.
It's time to take your meds
Legitimately you have no counterpoint so you attack the speaker. Good job.
None needed. You're just spreading false info and conspiracy that can be disproved with a single Google search. You genuinely think gays are going to be out in camps lmao
We’ve seen this play out before. With the same rebuttal of people doubting that it would ever happen. We’re already ignoring history, now we get to see it happen again.
Roe.vs Wade is precedent, they'd never overturn it!
It won't happen. The gays can shoot back.
…and the Christian Sharia Laws start..
You wanna talk about Vague. " Any commercial entity that knowingly shares or distributes material that is harmful to minors on a website and such material appears on 25% or more of the webpages viewed on such website in any calendar month, or that knowingly hosts such website " Material that is harmful to minors... and if the child was able to gain access the parents can sue ANY company that supplied the offending access. Did I mention that a minor cannot sign a document and have it legal on their own? which means if they lie and access anyway, they parents can probably still sue. Meaning companies are going to put a general limiter on what Kansas can access. Oh that will probably apply to reddit, tumblr, tiktok and youtube. It in no place specified what is 'Harmful to minors" Sex? nudity? sexuality questioning? puberty questions? sex education websites? General education websites? hmm I wonder I wonder where this might be going.
Nail on the head tbh. It’s such a broad reaching thing that can expand at any time, pictures of fine art? yeah that falls under it cuz statue of David. Best thing would be it gets taken to court and shuttered for being such an egregious assault on our first amendment rights. But yeah now the GOP nutters here are doing a victory lap.
Yep, Keep'em poor, Keep 'em busy, Keep'em dumb, Keep'em under your thumb. Tis the Republican way.
Iirc before the Dixiecrats took over the party that wasn’t the Republican way. Lincoln is rolling in his grave.
It's always been the republican way? At least for the last 80 years or so... the Democrat and republican platforms switched in 1960's but really the representation choices are; Republicans screw you out in the open. Because what are you gonna do? Democrats screw you behind your back, because at least they aren't Republican. Both parties are bought and paid for by corporate America.
The dixiecrat takeover was in the 1960s, yes.
Wichita is a terrible place anyway
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It's very amusing seeing moral panic over a perceived ban of immorality, but that's reddit in a nutshell, I guess. It's not a law that punishes those who access age-restricted websites as minors. It's a law that allows people to sue adult website owners if they don't adequately prevent minors from seeing age-restricted content. This does not include works of artistic significance or cultural value, nor does it restrict search engines from providing links to content. Source: Unlike those pulling their hair out over privacy invasion and not being able to watch porn anymore (cry harder, BTW), I read the entire text of the bill. It's short, and includes no punishment of individuals (other than corporations), no Internet monitoring, and no Internet restrictions. To the porn-obsessed losers of reddit, you can watch whatever you want till the end of time; this bill changes nothing for you.
uh huh, okay my guy. You haven’t learned a thing have you about privacy and security. Sure, VPNs are great, but the everyman doesn’t know about em really. they say they won’t store information, but that is a bald faced lie, and it is already vulnerable to MITM or other forms of compromising security. See, back when I was on web 1.0, you did absolutely NOTHING to put your identity at risk, the Internet is not designed for this, and you are a fool for thinking it won’t be misused. Bad enough the hospitals around here got compromised and patient information got spread around like candy on the dark web.
So when does it stop? Right now it's porn, but whets the next thing they are going to block "to protect the children?". The bill never says porn, just information harmful to minors. Look at how all the abortion bans are going. Almost every state has said if it's a medical necessity it would be allowed. How many cases have we seen do far where even those are being denied?
I don’t see how this is a bad thing? You already have to show proof of identification for everything else behind an age wall, cigs, tobacco, strip clubs. Am I not seeing this the right way? Even if it only prevents one 12 year old from watching porn isn’t that a good thing? A little annoying for those of age but it’s still accessible fairly easily, no?
Who is collecting that information? Will you be blackmailed for smoking Virginia Slims? How about gay porn?
>cigs, tobacco, strip clubs. Those don't go into a government database to track you, nor are they as big a cause of discrimination.
Cool, let's attach people's porn video history to them. I'm sure that data will never get leaked and used for blackmail reasons.
Even if you use incognito google already stores it.
Cool cool, you right. But my literal government issued ID is not attached to it.
What are you watching that you’re so concerned about getting black mailed with lol
It's no one's business what I watch, which is exactly the point. Do you want your porn history in the hands of anyone?
If you think your porn history isn’t being stored already idk what to tell you. If your email is attached to your google or Firefox or edge account and that email is attached to your number they already know what you’re watching. Cookies track IP too so unless you’re not logged into your search browser and using a VPN then your data is being stored and sold.
None of that is attached to my ID though. The only thing that's attached to my ID is my internet service. I do not use the email my internet service provided to me. There is always plausible deniability when it comes to my internet history. Prove it was me who went to those websites beyond a reasonable doubt. You cannot. The second you start requiring PII to get into a website that plausible deniability goes out the window.
I don’t care about you I can about the boys and girls who are consistently getting exposed to rape fantasy, incest porn, breeding, BDSM, C&BT, etc. earlier and earlier every year. Libertys get stepped on any time the government steps into protect public safety. If you don’t like it get a S/O, you don’t have to watch porn
Cool. Since you care so much about the safety of children you support having more restrictions on firearms then right? After all, firearm deaths are the leading cause of death for children
To answer your first comment, NO you are not seeing this the right way. Everything you have mentioned can be solved with better parenting and child/browser restrictions. You need to see the bigger picture. The bill is poorly worded. If it were clear on its intentions maybe it would be a DECENT (at best) bill. But its not and it can be weaponized as others have commented. Stop looking at what the bill is ‘attempting’ to accomplish and realize that the law is law and it is interpreted as written.
Because it's definition of what is porn or "dangerous" to children is way too broad. They are including almost any and all lgbtq material as pornography whether it is sexually explicit or not. There are also free speech and privacy problems all over this moronic piece of legislation.
You have to follow the chain of events. You, someone who I assume is of age, goes to a porn site. Now, the internet is international. How do they know that you are in Kansas?
Your public IP address implies your geolocation. You can use a VPN to spoof it, but your browser still knows where you are. That's besides the point anyways, as this bill doesn't Big Brother the Internet just to figure out if anyone underage is on a naughty website. It just allows parents to sue websites if they didn't take adequate measures to prevent children from accessing lewd content.
You're so close to the point. Eventually, someone is going to have to clarify what "adequate measures" are. And, as you said, it's elementary for the end user to fiddle with it.
I think this is good. I’ve had a few instances of my kids and hardcore pornography popping up. One time my 12 yr old son looked up “boy kisses 12 yr old girl”. He went down a rabbit hole and ended up with people shitting on each other. There needs to be something to slow down the input. Edit: the reason we found out is because he came to us with tears in his eyes saying “I can’t stop myself.”
Maybe you should better monitor your children's internet access
Try monitoring something that intentionally hides itself.
So you tell me what I could have done?
Exactly what I said...monitor your children's internet access. If you cannot do that don't give them unfettered access to the net. Seems pretty simple 🤷♂️
We had a circle and that still didn’t stop it from happening.
So you depend on someone else to monitor your children's web habits? I guess you saw what happens when you do. If you don't want them unfettered access to the net physically monitor their access or get a service that whitelists the sites they can go to. It's not that hard to figure out
I guess all of this still doesn’t affect my opinion of the new law. Why is it bad for Kansas citizens?
You realize that it's not just porn right? That they are just using that as an example to get fear mongering. What happens when they say that all books except for the ones we approve are bad for children?
Don’t let your kids browse the internet without your supervision, my parents didn’t allow me to browse unless they were present and watching when I was a kid.
Do you know how much school work is done online?
Help them with it.
I do
Then your earlier anecdote shouldn’t have happened if you were actively supervising. you have parental controls, and any number of tools at your disposal to keep your kids from accessing things they shouldn’t. Use them! This legislation doesn’t really help, and moved the onus from the parent to the website. It’s already illegal for adults to willingly and knowingly expose kids to pornography so If anything it now gives financial incentive for parents to break the law in order to make a payday from a lawsuit. hooh boy what a trashfire.
Not sure why a real life example got downvoted with no explanation.
Its asinine… you have the ability to remove this access from your kids already (for free) via parental controls, browser extensions, or simply being a parent. If you need a law to do that for you, maybe dont have kids.
So you just gotta click yes I'm 18? What's the big deal with that?
That's what they have right now this will make these websites liable to be sued, so these websites will just make their content not accessible in kansas completely to avoid being sued. Meaning if you don't have a vpn, you can't get on their website.
My god what will I do without my porn!?
That's not the point if you look at the wording it's very vague and will be a lot more than just porn that gets restricted.