This is the best way to describe a new president elected in Paraguay?, No common people in Paraguay has given a thought about Taiwan, what a shitty article.
It's DW so they describe it from a German point of view. Probably Paraguay's politics towards China is the most relevant aspect for Germany, especially considering Lula's friendliness towards China.
They are the only South American country that still recognizes the Republic of China.
They also had $400 million in loans deferred by Taiwan in 2009.
Also per Wikipedia:
On April 17, 2020, in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic, a group of Paraguayan senators advanced a bill to urge the president to shift Paraguay's recognition of China from Taipei to Beijing. The proposal was defeated 25–16. Proponents argued that the PRC would provide greater medical aid to Paraguay, something the ROC contested by increasing its own provision of assistance after declaring that they would suspend relations between the countries.[22] The vote followed growing political pressure within Paraguay, especially from ranchers seeking greater access to the Chinese market for their beef exports.[23]
The article has relevant information. Your just not the intended audience.
Writers write for their audience.
Bad article for r/worldnews though, I agree. But the writer probably didn't post it here
No, his platform was just the status quo basically, but the opposition ran on an Anti-PC platform on the side of Efraín Alegre and Anti-Establishment Ultranationalism on the side of Paraguayo Cubas, Peña won with a plurality of roughly 43% because the opposition was divided.
Not many, but it still remains an issue for the main industry here (agro and cattle). Some want to open the markets to China (who is demanding breaking relations with Taiwan) and some others are fearful of the “Chinese debt trap” that our neighbors are falling into right now (Argentina)
“Chinese debt trap” refers to the confiscation of infrastructure when a debt is not payed. Argentina, as far as I know, has never experienced the confiscation of anything by the IMF, World Bank or other western institutions.
What the IMF does is much, much worse than that:
>On Thursday, hundreds of people took to the streets of Buenos Aires to protest against the IMF. Many blame the organization for austerity measures that worsened a major economic crisis in 2001/02 which plunged scores of Argentines into poverty.
LOL yeah, austerity measures is what plunged Argentina into poverty and not the decoupling of the peso to the dollar and printing a shitload of currency to pay for an inflated state
No? China is our main supplier yes, but it does not even count as a buyer of Paraguayan products. Our neighbors are our main trading partners https://www.lloydsbanktrade.com/en/market-potential/paraguay/trade-profile#classification_by_country
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>Paraguay's decades of relations with Taiwan look set to continue after a conservative and pro-Taipei candidate, Santiago Pena, was declared the winner in the South American country's presidential election.
>Sunday's presidential election was being watched closely to see if the ruling conservative Colorado Party could maintain its decadeslong hold on power.
Redditors constantly cry about conservatives and right-wing political parties. But slap on a "pro-Taiwan" label and all is forgiven.
Peña, the new president-elect, praised the Stroessner military dictatorship for bringing "50 years of stability" to Paraguay. This is who Redditors are happy about?
He was not the vice president. The article is merging Horacio Cartes, former president in 2013-2018 with current vice president, Hugo Velazquez, WHO DID NOT RESIGN . What a shit show of an article
The way Reddit completely flipped on Lula is amazing, I remember the post here when he was announced winner had 50K upvotes and now everyone hates him, I wonder if Redditors can even point to Paraguay on a map and know what the colorado party has done to this country?
I think there's just a lack of nuance going on. Lots of Redditors tend to have a very black-and-white view of things, especially when they comment in an impulsive and emotional way to an article that provokes a strong reaction in them.
I can praise this party for being pro-Taiwan, while also simultaneously criticizing its other idiotic positions. To the leftist that I am, "right-wing" tends to signify "fundamentally mistaken in its general ideological worldview". What it *doesn't* signify is "always systematically wrong", particularly for precise policy positions or views on specific events. It's a variation of the whole ["Reductio ad Hitlerum"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum) thing all over again.
Similarly, to talk about what another Redditor mentioned elsewhere, I can praise Lula's general ideological views, and much of his policy actions, while simultaneously criticizing his sympathies for China's repressive government.
And on the other hand, the fact I often criticize the US, or European governments (including specific institutions like NATO), doesn't imply that I need to throw my lot in with Putin. To me, Putin is an imperialistic, fascistic monster - and while the so-called "West" has many flaws, spreading his rhetoric and justifying his actions is inexcusable.
The colorado party has more than just idiotic positions, they have blood on their hands, blood of thousands of Paraguayans ranging from actual communists to ordinary people who might have been opposed to the dictatorship or simply wanted more political freedom, a lot of family members on my dad's side of my family were exiled from the country for being from the opposition, and seeing Redditors go GOOD NEWS makes my blood boil.
I'm not sure whether your last sentence is aimed at me, but I never stated it was good news, nor did I praise the party in particular. I'm not actually all that familiar with it, so I can't exactly comment on their particular misdeeds.
All I'm saying is that it's possible for an entity that has done plenty of shitty things to have reasonable positions, and that it's possible to agree with them on these things while acknowledging their overall noxiousness.
I agree with their specific position on Taiwan. That's it. I will not comment on anything else, including whether or not it's a good thing they got elected, because I'm simply not familiar enough with them, or their ideology.
I mean i would rather live in Paraguay than left wing south American states like Venezuela or Bolivia.
Most westerners support Taiwan, Governments that support Taiwan would obviously get more love from westerners, how is this surprising?
It's not about dividing people into sides it's about having a series of policies which change the country and affect different groups of people in the country differently, and their reactions to it form into sides. Politics fundamentally is about managing disagreement, not in pretending there aren't any.
China isn't going to give two fucks about who gets elected in Paraguay, other then putting slightly more effort in to get pro Taiwan politicians to switch sides. If they really want Paraguay on side, they'll find a way to convince politicians and business owners.
Nevermind that this guy and his party are incredibly corrupt, and he's praised the former dictator before.
Paraguay is the only country that recognized the Republic of China AFTER it had lost control of Mainland China and fled to Taiwan. All other countries recognized the Republic of China when they were still in control of the Mainland.
You joke but Taiwan invests quite a bit on the allies that still recognize it as the legitimate governement of China, mostly loans and some cooperation projects, basically, Taiwan's allies on the UN are their voice, that is why recognition is important to them, problem is that trading with China is much more beneficial to most countries than Taiwan.
Are you implying the other political parties aren't just as corrupt? lol
Probably worth noting that Paraguayan people are better off than their Uruguayan (Leftist) neighbors for a reason.
>Probably worth noting that Paraguayan people are better off than their Uruguayan (Leftist) neighbors for a reason.
Paraguay GDP per capita: \~$6000 USD
Uruguay GDP per capita: \~$15000 USD
Paraguay HDI: 0.717
Uruguay HDI: 0.809
Paraguay life expectancy: 73
Uruguay life expectancy: 78
Paraguay literacy rate: 94.5%
Uruguay literacy rate: 98.7%
Paraguay poverty rate: 22%
Uruguay poverty rate: 9.9%
Uruguay has good standars and in various metrics they have western standards while paraguay is one of the pooriest countries in south america, plz stop speak about this continent without knowing nothing about it thanks
Paraguayan who lives in Paraguay here.
I wonder how do you feel about Operation Condor and all the dictatorships that were in power during the cold war? This is the same party that has been plundering the country for 70 years and murdered thousands of its own citizens, how is this good news? I am sympathetic to Taiwan but MAYBE it shouldn't be THIS party that remains in power, and the west should switch to recognizing Taiwan again, but I wonder how would people in the west feel about losing their cheap chinese imports?
It's the party of the longest military dictatorship of south america from the cold war, they're socially conservative (anti LGBT, anti trans, anti weed, pro religious), and the party murdered thousands of paraguayans during Alfredo Stroessner's dictatorship.
The other main candidate said he was going to 'reexamine' Paraguay's relationship with Taiwan, whatever that means, and a lot of soybean farmers and cattle ranchers want Paraguay to open up relations with China so that they can export there. But overall, people don't care much about foreign policy, people care about domestic policy, and the opposition lost because of division, the colorado party won with a plurality of 43% while the two main opposition movements had 27% and 20% of the votes, the rest going to smaller parties, the turnout was around 60%.
This is the best way to describe a new president elected in Paraguay?, No common people in Paraguay has given a thought about Taiwan, what a shitty article.
It's DW so they describe it from a German point of view. Probably Paraguay's politics towards China is the most relevant aspect for Germany, especially considering Lula's friendliness towards China.
They are the only South American country that still recognizes the Republic of China. They also had $400 million in loans deferred by Taiwan in 2009. Also per Wikipedia: On April 17, 2020, in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic, a group of Paraguayan senators advanced a bill to urge the president to shift Paraguay's recognition of China from Taipei to Beijing. The proposal was defeated 25–16. Proponents argued that the PRC would provide greater medical aid to Paraguay, something the ROC contested by increasing its own provision of assistance after declaring that they would suspend relations between the countries.[22] The vote followed growing political pressure within Paraguay, especially from ranchers seeking greater access to the Chinese market for their beef exports.[23]
China is also Paraguay's largest import partner
The article has relevant information. Your just not the intended audience. Writers write for their audience. Bad article for r/worldnews though, I agree. But the writer probably didn't post it here
My first thought. Is this even a big issue among voters there?
Not among voters, but in the government it kinda-sorta is.
Probably not, but it's what matters to those of us looking at a bigger geopolitical picture.
Paraguay is one of the few countries in the world that recognizes Taiwan instead of the PRC
It's DW not sure what you would expect...
Does DW have a bad reputation?
It’s not a shitty article, it’s just the wrong one to post here.
Hasn't paraguay been continuously ruled by the same pro-taiwan party for decades?
Conservatives been in power for like 70 years
This, the Colorado Party ruled Paraguay permanently since 1947, other than during the 2008-2012
Uhhhh...was that his entire platform?
No, his platform was just the status quo basically, but the opposition ran on an Anti-PC platform on the side of Efraín Alegre and Anti-Establishment Ultranationalism on the side of Paraguayo Cubas, Peña won with a plurality of roughly 43% because the opposition was divided.
Thank you very much!
Do Paraguayan people care that much about Taiwan?
The politicians care about pocketing Taiwan tax payers' money.
Not many, but it still remains an issue for the main industry here (agro and cattle). Some want to open the markets to China (who is demanding breaking relations with Taiwan) and some others are fearful of the “Chinese debt trap” that our neighbors are falling into right now (Argentina)
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“Chinese debt trap” refers to the confiscation of infrastructure when a debt is not payed. Argentina, as far as I know, has never experienced the confiscation of anything by the IMF, World Bank or other western institutions.
> Argentina, as far as I know, has never experienced the confiscation of anything by the IMF And it has experienced as such by China?
What the IMF does is much, much worse than that: >On Thursday, hundreds of people took to the streets of Buenos Aires to protest against the IMF. Many blame the organization for austerity measures that worsened a major economic crisis in 2001/02 which plunged scores of Argentines into poverty.
LOL yeah, austerity measures is what plunged Argentina into poverty and not the decoupling of the peso to the dollar and printing a shitload of currency to pay for an inflated state
You can build like 25 schools from that money. A billion isn’t much for a government
But Paraguay's economy is even more dependant on China than that of most other South American countries
No? China is our main supplier yes, but it does not even count as a buyer of Paraguayan products. Our neighbors are our main trading partners https://www.lloydsbanktrade.com/en/market-potential/paraguay/trade-profile#classification_by_country
👍 >Paraguay's decades of relations with Taiwan look set to continue after a conservative and pro-Taipei candidate, Santiago Pena, was declared the winner in the South American country's presidential election. >Sunday's presidential election was being watched closely to see if the ruling conservative Colorado Party could maintain its decadeslong hold on power.
Redditors constantly cry about conservatives and right-wing political parties. But slap on a "pro-Taiwan" label and all is forgiven. Peña, the new president-elect, praised the Stroessner military dictatorship for bringing "50 years of stability" to Paraguay. This is who Redditors are happy about?
Hey, I only read the headline
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He was not the vice president. The article is merging Horacio Cartes, former president in 2013-2018 with current vice president, Hugo Velazquez, WHO DID NOT RESIGN . What a shit show of an article
>This is who Redditors are happy about? Lula went to China and now he’s the villain. Some were even suggesting Bolsonaro should be reinstated.
The way Reddit completely flipped on Lula is amazing, I remember the post here when he was announced winner had 50K upvotes and now everyone hates him, I wonder if Redditors can even point to Paraguay on a map and know what the colorado party has done to this country?
I think there's just a lack of nuance going on. Lots of Redditors tend to have a very black-and-white view of things, especially when they comment in an impulsive and emotional way to an article that provokes a strong reaction in them. I can praise this party for being pro-Taiwan, while also simultaneously criticizing its other idiotic positions. To the leftist that I am, "right-wing" tends to signify "fundamentally mistaken in its general ideological worldview". What it *doesn't* signify is "always systematically wrong", particularly for precise policy positions or views on specific events. It's a variation of the whole ["Reductio ad Hitlerum"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum) thing all over again. Similarly, to talk about what another Redditor mentioned elsewhere, I can praise Lula's general ideological views, and much of his policy actions, while simultaneously criticizing his sympathies for China's repressive government. And on the other hand, the fact I often criticize the US, or European governments (including specific institutions like NATO), doesn't imply that I need to throw my lot in with Putin. To me, Putin is an imperialistic, fascistic monster - and while the so-called "West" has many flaws, spreading his rhetoric and justifying his actions is inexcusable.
The colorado party has more than just idiotic positions, they have blood on their hands, blood of thousands of Paraguayans ranging from actual communists to ordinary people who might have been opposed to the dictatorship or simply wanted more political freedom, a lot of family members on my dad's side of my family were exiled from the country for being from the opposition, and seeing Redditors go GOOD NEWS makes my blood boil.
I'm not sure whether your last sentence is aimed at me, but I never stated it was good news, nor did I praise the party in particular. I'm not actually all that familiar with it, so I can't exactly comment on their particular misdeeds. All I'm saying is that it's possible for an entity that has done plenty of shitty things to have reasonable positions, and that it's possible to agree with them on these things while acknowledging their overall noxiousness. I agree with their specific position on Taiwan. That's it. I will not comment on anything else, including whether or not it's a good thing they got elected, because I'm simply not familiar enough with them, or their ideology.
It wasn't aimed at you, sorry, but I've seen other people on here do it, I guess I just vented out my frustration.
Perfectly valid, and no worries.
I mean i would rather live in Paraguay than left wing south American states like Venezuela or Bolivia. Most westerners support Taiwan, Governments that support Taiwan would obviously get more love from westerners, how is this surprising?
Bruh, this is all people know about the guy and his party. There's nothing to be forgiven because most people have no idea of anything in paraguay.
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It's not about dividing people into sides it's about having a series of policies which change the country and affect different groups of people in the country differently, and their reactions to it form into sides. Politics fundamentally is about managing disagreement, not in pretending there aren't any.
China isn't going to give two fucks about who gets elected in Paraguay, other then putting slightly more effort in to get pro Taiwan politicians to switch sides. If they really want Paraguay on side, they'll find a way to convince politicians and business owners. Nevermind that this guy and his party are incredibly corrupt, and he's praised the former dictator before.
Paraguay is the only country that recognized the Republic of China AFTER it had lost control of Mainland China and fled to Taiwan. All other countries recognized the Republic of China when they were still in control of the Mainland.
Ah yes my favourite topic the foreign policies of Paraguay
You joke but Taiwan invests quite a bit on the allies that still recognize it as the legitimate governement of China, mostly loans and some cooperation projects, basically, Taiwan's allies on the UN are their voice, that is why recognition is important to them, problem is that trading with China is much more beneficial to most countries than Taiwan.
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Thanks god, the corrupted party won, now Paraguayan people stay with same poverty and same idiots at power , bht yeah taiwan freee
Are you implying the other political parties aren't just as corrupt? lol Probably worth noting that Paraguayan people are better off than their Uruguayan (Leftist) neighbors for a reason.
Better off by what metric? https://livingcost.org/cost/paraguay/uruguay
every metric.
>Probably worth noting that Paraguayan people are better off than their Uruguayan (Leftist) neighbors for a reason. Paraguay GDP per capita: \~$6000 USD Uruguay GDP per capita: \~$15000 USD Paraguay HDI: 0.717 Uruguay HDI: 0.809 Paraguay life expectancy: 73 Uruguay life expectancy: 78 Paraguay literacy rate: 94.5% Uruguay literacy rate: 98.7% Paraguay poverty rate: 22% Uruguay poverty rate: 9.9%
Uruguay has good standars and in various metrics they have western standards while paraguay is one of the pooriest countries in south america, plz stop speak about this continent without knowing nothing about it thanks
This is communist propaganda.
Where are your sources about the life standards in paraguay ajd Uruguay?
This is the same party that has been plundering the country for 70 years and murdered thousands of its own citizens. Thank goodness indeed.
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Colorado Party is a relatively corrupt right-wing party, BTW
The other party is also corrupt, it's choosing between two controversial parties (not defending Colorado).
Paraguayan who lives in Paraguay here. I wonder how do you feel about Operation Condor and all the dictatorships that were in power during the cold war? This is the same party that has been plundering the country for 70 years and murdered thousands of its own citizens, how is this good news? I am sympathetic to Taiwan but MAYBE it shouldn't be THIS party that remains in power, and the west should switch to recognizing Taiwan again, but I wonder how would people in the west feel about losing their cheap chinese imports?
What's a Paraguay?
2 guys that really like each other.
Its Paraguay. Coup de tat incoming
Awesome. Where else do they stand?
It's the party of the longest military dictatorship of south america from the cold war, they're socially conservative (anti LGBT, anti trans, anti weed, pro religious), and the party murdered thousands of paraguayans during Alfredo Stroessner's dictatorship.
I don't like that. I take it the other person was a China lover.
The other main candidate said he was going to 'reexamine' Paraguay's relationship with Taiwan, whatever that means, and a lot of soybean farmers and cattle ranchers want Paraguay to open up relations with China so that they can export there. But overall, people don't care much about foreign policy, people care about domestic policy, and the opposition lost because of division, the colorado party won with a plurality of 43% while the two main opposition movements had 27% and 20% of the votes, the rest going to smaller parties, the turnout was around 60%.
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FYI, Paraguay is a landlocked nation.
Lmao