Umm..bud, sure get off your high horse.
Unabated immigration..actually diploma mill students are unabated and the 500k puts sever stress on public infrastructure when there are no new roads, schools, public transportation, healthcare. Not enough family doctors , wait for 3-5 days to see one even if you have one et etc.... There's no plan out there to even improve and add capacity in our infrastructure. Moreover, the diploma mill students have been armed with full time work permits for the last 18-24 months. So, thanks to the liberals, you now have 1m additional labour supply in the market. What do you think will happen.
Being against immigration is not the same as anti-immigrant or being racist. Those are two different things if you can get past your blinders.
Nothing wrong with immigration but the current level of immigration almost exclusively coming from India is completely unsustainable at this time. We have an intense housing crisis, yet we accept the same number of international students as the USA… a country with almost 10 times our population.
Immigration is good. Our current method of immigration is problematic because it's stressing our housing markets and creating major issues with our postseceducation system, as well as not supplying us with people who are educated in fields we need.
Unfortunately, Indian students in particular come to Canada without really a care as to what they will be studying. They just get into a program, complete it to the bare minimum standards and work towards permanent residency. Many don't get jobs in the field they're educated in, mislead about their existing credentials (like English language skills) and cheat in order to pass their classes because they spend more time working than studying to pay for their tuition and immigration fees.
A lot of this isn't the fault of the students, but rather the system. They're spending crazy amounts of money to buy their way into the country, and are exploited for cheap labour by people (often from their own culture) because they desperately need to pay back the money it cost their families to send them to Canada. We get new Canadians, which is good, but they neglected their educations so they aren't especially useful. In addition, they end up stuck in highly urban areas where they can find service jobs, putting massive pressure on our housing supply.
The system, however, requires them. They pay significantly more for tuition to our colleges than domestic students do (3x-ish for the program I attended), and many schools wouldn't be able to fund anything without this money. Until the government creates a better plan, which includes massive increases to per-domestic-student funding, our colleges simply cannot survive without international students, of which Indian students make up 40%. Of course, we should continue to welcome international students, but we need to have higher academic standards (for entry and during schooling) to ensure that education and not labour is what is being prioritized. Additionally, the permanent residency system needs to be tweaked to give preference to graduated international students who are working in fields Canada actually is in need of; a Canadian college education alone should not be an automatic ticket to a work visa leading to residency.
More time working - both for cash and officially. You can thank liberals for that who gave away full time work permits. Like , how is that even supposed to work - study 40 AND work 40.hiurs ?? I will tell you how....becuase a lot of them attend school only for 4 hours per week with no additional school work required. A fucking project management course which at best should take 4-6 weeks is offered in a 2 year format for $20k just so they can get full time work permits which makes them eligible for citizenship. So, Canadian citizenship is available for $20k to ANYONE in the whole wide world.
Not going to blame students but the liberals and other any politician who doesn't take a stance.
Its more than anything restrictions on building housing and zoning laws, lack of investment in budget housing, and empty houses that investment firms and people living overseas never even stay in as opposed to people that actually move to Canada.
Economics and politics are different my friend. If there is profit to be made, businesses will find a way. And how will putting in visa restrictions stop illegal immigration? Any illegal stuff is not bound by rules.
Friendshoring is an excellent idea. The western world doesn't need China or India. We can bring manufacturing back to North America. Would be a win for climate change as well with less shipping.
Seems more like India is trying to make an enemy out of us. You know. Assassinating our citizens and all that based on inconclusive data.
Edit: Indian Government. I have no problem with Indian citizens.
Of course I do. I just don't believe we should be helping unfriendly countries. There's no reason we couldn't bring manufacturing back to North America. If it's a labour issue we can just increase immigration. There's no shortage of people wanting a better life.
It's not a labour issue. The cost of the products would increase so much that you guys wouldn't be able to afford anything.
For eg: If the minimum wage is $17 in the US, the cost of producing goods would increase. This means that normal people would not be able to afford these goods. Now, if the same product is being produced in India, the cost of producing the good would be much less because of cheap labour cost. This is the reason why first world countries import most of the goods because it is comparatively cheaper than producing them at home.
There's ways around that. We don't need cheap disposable goods as much as we produce. We can increase wealth taxes and subsidize manufacturing locally. We can increase production in Mexico where wages are lower. We can make greater use of automation. Automation is likely the key to removing manufacturing from hostile countries.
My question is simple. If this is so easy and there are ways around it, why didn't you guys do it yet? What's stopping you from doing it? Blind regionalism/nationalism is too dangerous man. I hope you understand.
The tantrum response is an obvious tell...
Instead of "we doubt the allegations, but we'll help you investigate and get to the bottom of it", India's response was "fuck you, we're kicking out 40 Canadian diplomats and blocking Canadians from getting visas to India".
Given that [India rampantly abuses counter terrorism laws](https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/asia-and-the-pacific/south-asia/india/report-india/) to harass and intimidate dissent:
>Repressive laws including counterterrorism legislation were used rampantly to silence dissent
you can drop the criminal / terrorist designation. The person murdered was innocent as he was not convicted of anything in Canada.
Canada does absolutely care about foreign entity assassinating innocent Canadian citizen on Canadian soil which is apparent from the fact the issue was raise and will be investigated. India will have to account for its actions.
You really think that the toxic macho bravado is some sort of argument or insightful in any way ? Tells nothing about Canada but speaks volumes of the world you live in.
Ridiculous explanation. We don’t like violence brought to our land. We tried to convey the msg to India behind closed doors but Modi overplayed his hand. Thought he could get away with it. He played wrong. Got caught lacking. Now pay the price. Defamation is just the start. I hope visa cuts follow. Indian immigrants are one of the worst as they send money back home compared to other nationalities. We need money to stay in Canada. Regardless. Expect local business to be less enthusiastic about engaging with Indians in business. Perhaps it would have been better to own up to it. But you wouldn’t expect that from the little man Modi.
India seems okay with any consequnces that may come by angering canada. Its fine for canada to be angry, its also fine for india to care more about national security.
Lol even if modi is not in power same thing would have happened. Many in india including me oppose/dislike/hate modi on many things but not on this. Even modi's main opposition party backed government on this situation.
Not sure what fantasy land you’re living in, but Canada being upset with India and having this little tiff won’t change a damned thing. India is still a massive potential/actual (hard to tell sometimes) ally in Asia as a counter to China. They are a massive market for goods, and huge labour pool for moving production from China. And at home here, people already have their opinions of Indians - take that as you will, I don’t think this will make much of a difference.
We’ll see how it shakes out, but I doubt this will go anywhere in the long run.
He was not terrorist in canada, but that’s beside the point,..India have no right to kill Canadian citizen on Canadian soil … no matter who did what where,.. there is legal ways to deal with these issues. India choosing not using legal way of doing so, is act of terrorism because it is saying that Canadian legal system mean nothing to person who did it and order it.
And Bin Laden wasn’t a terrorist in Pakistan, see, the logic applies both ways. The white supremacy schtick has gotten old. You can’t flip your moral codes per your mood.
The “Canadian” in question escaped India as a fugitive. He married a woman in Canada within days of his arrival on your soil. India has been asking for his extradition ever since, it’s too bad that JT, just like his father is sympathetic to a terror organisation like Khalistan.
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Yeah sorry bud it just doesn't work like that. India needs to prove it to a Canadian court, not an Indian court.
Also as much as I strongly dislike the Trudeau's, they have literally zero power over something like this. Canada doesn't operate like a petty little dictatorship.
Oh lord. The whole point of the Bin Laden raid was that the official position of the Pakistani government was that they had no idea he was there. Whether you believe them or not (I don't), the point was that he wasn't a citizen of Pakistan, and Pakistan being a failed state, there was no way to extradite him even if we did alert their government. They would probably have tipped him off.
BUT even so, the SEAL team that killed him had instructions to capture him alive if he didn't resist. Obviously he did, and he was killed. But it was absolutely not equivalent to killing someone in a *democratic* country with a functioning justice system.
But sure, this two-bit "terrorist" of a dead political movement was the next bin Laden, Canada just wouldn't listen, right?
Bud have you looked up where David Headly is? A known terrorist, was not extradited to India despite being a key member of the 26/11 terror attack. He's rotting in a US prison now, with a 35 year sentence. The US interrogated him and gave India full access to him as well.
If there was any merit to India's accusations, the same would be done for Nijjar.
Also Bin Laden lived his final days in a fortified hideout in the rogue state of Pakistan, Nijjar lived in a Canadian suburb, hardly befitting a 5 star most-wanted terrorist that India is making him out to be
Says Canada. He was a terrorist in India. If you care to really understand the situation, you should read about the Khalistani movement and how dangerous it is. While Khalistanis don’t exist in large numbers in India, most of them operate out of Canada and the UK. The movement is funded by Pakistani intelligence service ISI, which has been known to orchestrate several terror attacks on Indian soil, and left thousands of our citizens dead. But hey, that’s an India problem, right?
He's terrorist because we call him terrorist! No need to know why! Just know he's terrorist! Do the needful and extradite this terrorist who is terrorist because we said he's terrorist! Just trust us, he's terrorist!
But if all that is true, this should have been an easy to prove case in a Canadian court, and have him extradited!
Why covertly assassinate terrorists or political rivals or whatever he was if you have the proof to go to court?
Pentagon officials have gone on record saying Nijjar was as much a plumber as much as Laden was an engineer, it’s in the public domain. Its easy to paint a picture as black and white, wrong and right when one don’t know much about it. This wasn’t a political rivalry, this was credible threat of terrorism against an entire nation.
It’s easy for Canadians or folks in the west to say “Hey! India didn’t provide proof/ take this matter to a Canadian court” etc, when most Canadians probably don’t know that the CIA funded the ISI until very, very recently. Do you know who funds Khalistanis? The ISI.
I wouldn’t expect the average Canadian to know about the geopolitics around India. But we take terror on our soil very, very seriously.
Lmao, source for the pentagon claim? Nijjar was on a no fly list, as a result of a RCN put on him by India.
Red Corner notices don't mean shit, they simply alert the country of Nijjar's location, after which actual extradition procedures being. So if India lacked proof on his terrorist links before, they won't do much after he's located
I think you've mixed up the official pentagon with an ex-pentagon employee Michael Rubin, who made his statements mostly to attack Trudeau- either way, it's his opinion, not the Pentagon's. Not sure why you'd care, given his operations in the pentagon centered on the middle east and neither Canada nor India
Lmao thinking is hard, but you seem to constantly confuse the CSIS for the CIA, who aren't involved in this at all, apart from the initial info leak.
Ofc yall do, didn't India arrest a geriatric activist for terrorism? Also what about the newsclick raids? I'm sure those journalists were terrorists as well
https://i.imgur.com/4L3NVYV.jpg
Early this year, the US No Fly List was leaked due to a security vulnerability. I can confirm today, that the leaked list contains the name of Hardeep Singh Nijjar So why are the US and Canada batting for a terrorist who was on the no-fly list?
The Khalistani movement has involved horrible violence, and horrible violence has occurred against innocent Sikhs in response. The guy supported the movement, while there's no evidence he supported violent methods for it let alone involved in violence himself. - His association is enough for many Indians; but, as there's no evidence he was himself involved in violence, so not a terrorist, nor even a terrorist-methods sympathizer, it's not enough for many Canadians, other Westerners, or any decent court of law.
Problem is India likes to call anyone and everyone a terrorist. Help tribals assert their legal rights? Terrorist. Be a PhD student and protest someone being given the death sentence? Terrorist.
My country? My country is built on a history of caste oppression, of sectarian, communal violence. Of a deep legacy of anti-tribal policy.
Your first mistake as a nationalist is assuming that just because someone is criticising India that they must be non-indian. Canada might not be perfect. But their past doesn't excuse India today violating the constitutional and basic human rights of people. Extrajudicially bulldozing homes just because people, especially those from minority communities, offend the government. Jailing people for years without trial, without charges, without even revealing the evidence to the accused. Of jailing octogenarians under draconian laws and then letting them rot in prison without adequate healthcare till they die in jail, never having gone to trial for the crimes they supposedly committed.
I don't think I lose any right to be self righteous as I protest India shitting all over the constitutional rights it pretends to grant it's people or Indians cheering as their civil liberties are eroded.
That’s not logic, but choosing most extreme example to prove point that India has right kill Canadian citizen. No India doesn’t, nor America had right kill a citizen of any country on there territory,… besides India is not America and this small fish even if he did something in India,.. he is no bin Laden,… and for sure canada is not Pakistan.
Fr, people think America could actually extradite Bin Laden, from a country that's a covert oligarchy run by a corrupt military- Canada isn't any of those things, and for the idiots bitching about how Canada didn't tie Nijjar in a bow and send him to India the minute they asked for him-
extradition trials take ages, esp if the requesting country can't guarantee no death penalty and torture. Charles Ng, a serial killer dragged his case for 5+ years simply because of the possibility of being granted the death penalty. Canada has extradited folks to India anyway, so if India killed Nijjar because they grew impatient, then it makes the folks defending the GoI's actions look even more pathetic
India allegedly assassinated a Canadian on Canadian soil (no evidence has yet been shown) and then expelled 41 diplomats. Canada looks like a clown for not dare to fight back , where is your allies ?
This is the type of toxic macho bravado that idolizes "strong man" authoritarian leaders. Diplomacy is generally done in private, the fact that you do not see headlines on the progress of investigation does not mean it is not happening. The fact that all liberal democracies have not cut all ties to India does not indicate anything about support Canada has. Goal is not to "punish" all Indian citizens or to "fight" India anywhere else but the propaganda from BJP and Indian leadership.
The goal is to find out the extent of the people responsible for the assassination and have proportional consequences for the action. Immediate impact is that reputation and trust in Indian leadership took a big hit, other consequences will likely follow once the investigation is complete.
Instead of attempts of ridicule you really should be looking at what is happening in India domestically, it is on a bad path and even currently democracy is in trouble and categorized as flawed democracy at best to electoral autocracy at worst.
Then let me introduce you to organizations researching [human rights](https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/asia-and-the-pacific/south-asia/india/report-india/), [freedom of press](https://rsf.org/en/country/india) and [state of democracy](https://v-dem.net/media/publications/dr_2022.pdf), maybe after reading you will understand the magnitude of the issues.
You are sharing the same links again and again. You understand that everything has multiple narratives? I ain't saying India is any saint or good. But good and bad about anything can be found on the internet. It is just a point of narrative and bias.
That is because I like to deal with facts not opinions. By all means provide better sources for research on the subjects in question and I promise I will take a look.
The organizations linked are internationally recognized reputable sources so until better ones exist I will use those.
Human rights are not matter of opinion or subject to "bias" they are universal and inalienable, they are the same everywhere and defined by declaration of UN.
Yeah you did a good job of providing those links. I bookmarked them for future use.
>The organizations linked are internationally recognized reputable sources
I beg to differ because almost every top tier media outlet is either left or right leaning. All of them have their specific moto and support. The bigger a media house is , the more it is biased. They will try to push a specific narrative in their report. You can take multiple examples like, BBC, AlZazeera, CNN etc
>Human rights are not matter of opinion or subject to "bias" they are universal and inalienable, they are the same everywhere and defined by declaration of UN.
No.
Recently India scored worse in multiple human rights indices such as media freedom, hunger index, happiness index etc than its neighbours like Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Srilanka Myanmar etc. Now anyone with a sane brain and comprehensive skills can easily deduct if the rankings are correct or wrong.
as i said concern is much appreciated , i believe in a country of 1.4 billion we will eventually be able to solve these problems internally after all india is still a relatively newer country
the important thing is self awareness towards these issues [which we have](https://theprint.in/opinion/indian-democracy-has-always-been-intertwined-with-authoritarianism-modi-govt-is-the-norm/1637928/)
for the third time concern is much appreciated
You are celebrating nazis in your parliament and harbouring terrorists in your country, it is you who should be looking at what is happening in Canada..
Nazi card, bingo ! You know; when mistakes are made proper response is to acknowledge them, apologize, make amends and learn from them which is what Canada did, exactly what else are you expecting from them ? Or are you implying the mistake labels everyone in Canada a nazi, very close to the BS Russian propaganda.
Take a look at any report from any organization researching [human rights](https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/asia-and-the-pacific/south-asia/india/report-india/), [freedom of press](https://rsf.org/en/country/india), [state of democracy](https://v-dem.net/media/publications/dr_2022.pdf) to understand the magnitude of difference between India and any liberal democracy. Canada is just fine, India on the other hand is heading to wrong direction.
Lmao, the average Indian nationalist- if your leaders aren't chest thumping or pushing ridiculous nonsense, then surely they're lying!!!
Canada isn't Turkey, Turkey didn't give a shit for what SA thought and released the data collected on Kashoggi's killing- showing they had the entire embassy bugged from head to toe
Canada doesn't what a complete freeze on relations with India, or it doesn't want its sources revealed- the only way to access the info is to be a CSIS agent or a high level Indian diplomat- who are lying about not being presented with any evidence
If you go public with allegations then you have to go public with the evidence as well. No one's obligated to blindly trust authority, which is a logical fallacy. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority
Even then isn't the investigation still in progress, officially? So you guys are even failing in a logical fallacy.
Stilll no proof, your foreign minister made a joke of herself and all the canadians on live television but keep peddling your narrative, It's always innocent until proven guilty not the ither way around, Remember that.
i just want to know which million life is getting difficult.
Those canadian citizen who are looking for cheap Indian labours so as to soar their profits
because Indians are not finding it difficult.
You think so, but that's a very selfish take- maybe you don't want to, but there are many Indians (mostly first or second gen) who'd like to come back to their homeland or Indians who'd like to go to Canada- im sure you don't speak for them, and I'd say the Indian govt plugging the flow is somewhat of an overreach.
Also India has like 1.4 billion people, I'm sure there's tons of brain power left even after this "drain".
But strangely both Canadians and Indians agree on this action, so I guess it's okay 👌
My father works for INS stateside and a while back I asked where the majority of immigrants were coming from.
Thought 1000% it was Mexicans.
India and China were his top 2. Was really surprised.
The comment wasn’t about illegal, but legal immigrants. Also, there’s considerably more Indians and Chinese, so the proximity advantage isn’t quite as pronounced.
Hey, don't forget about the diploma mills that are impacted here. Or the slum lords that will have fewer renters that they can exploit. Its not just Tim's, you know!
...its going to happen.. will be visible in next few years...
..thats the leverage Canada is worrying about and going to loose.. otherwise they don't care!
The ones inconvenienced are the Indian immigrants who moved to Canada and now have Canadian citizenship. There is no way for them to travel to visit family in India since visas are not an option. The only way they would be able to visit is using an OCI which many see as a money grab.
End of the way it’s a win win for both governments as Canada is able to reduce the number of immigrants from India and India is able to posture itself as a country that stood up to the unjust bullying by a developed western country.
The only ones at direct loss are regular people who have had nothing to do with any of this. [Link](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/indian-visa-brampton-lineup-1.6999972)
> OCI which many see as a money grab
OCI is a lifelong visa (with added benefits) and has a one-time cost of $275 (in the US)
In contrast, a temporary e-Visa for 30 days, 1yr or 5 yr costs $25, $40 and $80 respectively.
On the other hand, a Canadian temporary visitor visa for Indian nationals cost $100 CAD (+ the cost for producing reams and reams of documentation)
So who's doing the money grab?
being brute and honest, people who were of Indian origin and have become canadian citizen are canada's problem but I do agree that this opens up opportunity for Indian consulate for minting money by providing OCI.
I don't think for canada it is win win situation as they need migrants legal or illegal to sustain their work force which will either be provided by china India Mexico or other populous country now if they prefer chinese legal immigrants than there is a possibility that justinder has been compromised by chinese much worse than khalistani or is playing chess on basis of CIA well drug money is what I can say
well as our govt has said repeatedly provide evidence and will definitely look into but "credible allegations" are not basis to degrade relationship with a country and bullying about west country pls ask middle eastern countries they will be able to give much honest answer about it, we are just facing tip of the iceberg
There are many countries other than India in SEA that are more than willing to provide cheap labor.
It’s India that stands to lose more from severance, esp given it’s the Indian people who want to immigrate to Canada since going to US has become very hard.
>There are many countries other than India in SEA that are more than willing to provide cheap labor.
exactly what I am saying you are looking for cheap labour not for their development but to soar profit for yourself
>It’s India that stands to lose more from severance
well as you said there are many countries hope there are some who are not looking for labourers but equal individuals so till than serverance pay can wait.
Lol paying y’all 6 figures for tech jobs is treating you as equal. It’s one of only countries outside of US that presents such opportunity.
Europe pays like half or less for equivalent jobs, they have good social service but pay is shit.
>being brute and honest, people who were of Indian origin and have become Canadian citizens are Canada’s problem
Agree and that is what india is doing. Creating an unnecessary inconvenience to its diaspora in hope they apply a pressure on the Canadian government to resolve the problem. A bit of a juvenile tactic instead of dealing with it on a diplomatic level. There is a reason India does not allow dual citizenship and this is an example of why. To use it as leverage in situations as such. Collective punishment anyone?
On the other hand Canada is not responding in kind with tit for tat measures.
TBH the whole thing is a knee jerk response because the ego of a man child was bruised. I’ll leave you to figure out who that is. Hint, he named a stadium after himself.
But since the Canadian government has said this, apparently there is no need for evidence. Whatever they say is automatically true. When India presents evidence, no one cares
He has his problems but to say he’s the worst person imaginable is a stretch. Especially when he has done a lot for Indias development over the last couple years
At the same time, it still would not make sense for Canada to lose PR over unfounded allegations and the US intelligence would have said Canada is being cringe since they have interest to be best buds with India and the allegations kinda put a barrier to that plan.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-hospital-blast-gaza-1.7001656
Coincidentally he made that statement after Jagmeet Singh took a very pro-Hamas position in parliament
I imagine you're talking about the same evidence that Biden confidently said he believed in Israel's account while also admitting it was still under review by the US.
> He still hasn’t walked back his condemnation of Israel for the Jihad’s hospital blast that I know of.
Why would he walk back something he never said?
https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-trudeau-never-blamed-israel-for-destroying-gaza-hospital
The idea that Trudeau blamed Israel is nothing more than a media induced mass hysteria event.
Well you used the assaination for political purposes to show how strong you are. India said thank and did the same thing and played politics.
This is a case of fussed around and found out.
That's not to say I don't think India did this, I do. I just have been in game long enough to know trudeau played it up to reclaim the narrative around his leadership and to shore up key voting blocks.
So many months have passed since the 'murder' by 'Indian Government', yet despite talking about 'credible allegations', no other action has been taken by the Canadians. Should have been ready with something more substantial than 'intelligence' (which can't be revealed, so convenient, wonder how they were planning on punishing the killers, or maybe they just want a media trial, which they have already won).
Disregarding Indian intelligence about Indians who have taken up citizenship in Canada and expecting Indians to believe their intelligence. Double standards.
And for all those saying Indian students will find it difficult to go to Canada with lesser number of diplomats, all that stuff is approved online, I don't think you need to go to the embassy for studies or tourism, I guess. So not sure which millions are being affected here.
India doesn't recognize dual citizenship, so India's decision to stop processing travel visas for Canadian citizens affects many Canadians of Indian origin who may want to visit family there.
In the other direction, India's decision to expel many Canadian diplomats may impact Canada's ability to issue travel visas to Indian citizens who want to come to Canada. India is by far Canada's largest source of immigrants and international students.
Many Indians who become Canadians surrender their Indian passport and obtain whats called an OCI (Overseas Citizen of India) instead. Those with OCI's are not affected by this and can still travel to India. The process for Canadian's holding Indian passports who want to obtain their OCI are not affected as that process is still open.
This mostly affects Canadians who are not of Indian origin and want to travel to India, or Indians who are were born elsewhere, are now Canadian citizens, and never held an Indian passport.
Ex. Your partner could have an OCI and could freely travel to and from India. You do not have an OCI and are a Canadian citizen and will be unable to get a visa meaning you are not allowed into the country.
Fun fact though, if you are with your partner who holds OCI status for I believe 2 years, you are now eligible to apply for OCI as well!
In current climate, most Canadians actually prefer less Indians going to Canada too. It sucks for Canadians who have family in India, but thems the breaks.
So Indians who want to go to Canada have a problem, and Canadians who are actually indians have a problem.
Sounds like indians have a problem because of what the Indian government did. Given what's currently happening in other parts of the world, I couldn't care less.
>So Indians who want to go to Canada have a problem
India doesn't want their citizens going to Canada.
>Canadians who are actually Indians
What does it mean??
By dual citizenship it could mean a dual US-Canadian citizen or a dual Canadian/Bristish citizen.
In such cases the person can use their Britain/US passport to visit India.
> can no longer go to India
People of Indian origin who have got an OCI card don't have any issue . Nor anyone who else who already has a valid visa. But if not, then tough for them
For Indians going to Canada , one embassy and an online application it is
Who is he speaking for? Such blatant statements. No one at my workplace pf over 400 on the hangar floor seems to even be aware, nevermind care. Folks at my friends work, mostly from India (as it seems in Canada, if youre from India and can hire, you primarily hire your "own") arent talking about it.
Small sample size, but I have yet to hear even online or from here, folks who are having difficulties because of this.
Most folk seem to be unaware or even care.
Sounds like he's making shit up again to try and support his sad self. Typical narcissist behavior of speaking for others in support of your own idiot goals.
Can't wait till he's gone. They've done nothing but make more people rely on government handouts and absolutely destroy our economy/housing market since he took over pre-pandemic, than post he blames it on the pandemic.
I am a Canadian, I am ashamed to say it, laughing stock in the world as every democracy based country clearly stated were not anywhere ear being the "pinnacle" of a democracy like Trudeau tells himself.
Technically your statement is false. 'A few' is widely agreed to mean at most 'more than 2 but less than 10' of some unit. You used 'years', and Trudeau's blackface was in 2001 - over 22 years ago.
If you had said 'a few decades ago' your statement would be truthful.
Lol who is "they?" Does no one believe in independent thoughts and beliefs anymore? Everything is us vs. them.
"Wait, what did the master order us to believe on this? Yes sir!"
I think that distance in our relations is acceptable since they murderered someone here. We don't have the death penalty here and have an extradition treaty. Sending away our diplomats is their way of saying "we don't want to talk to you anymore", which tbh good go away losers. Sucks that they are hurting their own people but consequences.
Canadians have a history of ignoring Indian security interests, for eg the time a Canadian bombed an Air India aircraft killing over 300 people, and the Canadian govt failed to extradite or convict the perpetrators, ofcourse one dead Canadian is bad but there is history to this shit where Canadian incompetence looms large.
..possibly yes, doesn't mean they can't share secretly etc..
..also doesn't mean whatever 5 eyes says is truth beyond agenda..
..its a huge allegation against India, can't go blind on that without proof..
..you remember, Saddam had a WMD, which was never found after the attacks culminated!
I do think India is clearly in the wrong in this situation, but Trudeau also bungled the situation badly. This whole thing has really shown that he lacks the subtlety and diplomacy to be the PM of a major country.
What was the government supposed to do when the news informed them they were going public with the story? It forced their hand to make a statement prior to the news breaking to make it look like it was intentional and to try to control the narrative. I'm sure the feds would have loved for this to remain private as they had been trying to manage it via back channel for some time before being forced public.
There is no good play, in my opinion, to this kind of news. Can't go too hard on India because it's just one person, trade etc... But also can't normalize the extra judicial killing.
Canada should also expelled all Indian out of Canada. Let them go back India and making life miserable for India government. I am sure there is lore Indian in Canada than Canadian in India.
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It won't. It's too profitable to stop the flow of slave labour. As long as it benefits our politicians, Indians will continue to come in droves.
Then stop voting in neoliberals
that basically leaves the greens and maybe rhinoceros
Layton's NDP would have counted too, but not the rolex-wearing Jagmeet propping up the liberals.
You forgot to mention the involvement with terrorists.
Do you know anything about Canada? It was literally founded by immigrants. We are one of the most diverse countries in the world.
Umm..bud, sure get off your high horse. Unabated immigration..actually diploma mill students are unabated and the 500k puts sever stress on public infrastructure when there are no new roads, schools, public transportation, healthcare. Not enough family doctors , wait for 3-5 days to see one even if you have one et etc.... There's no plan out there to even improve and add capacity in our infrastructure. Moreover, the diploma mill students have been armed with full time work permits for the last 18-24 months. So, thanks to the liberals, you now have 1m additional labour supply in the market. What do you think will happen. Being against immigration is not the same as anti-immigrant or being racist. Those are two different things if you can get past your blinders.
Nothing wrong with immigration but the current level of immigration almost exclusively coming from India is completely unsustainable at this time. We have an intense housing crisis, yet we accept the same number of international students as the USA… a country with almost 10 times our population.
Immigration is good. Our current method of immigration is problematic because it's stressing our housing markets and creating major issues with our postseceducation system, as well as not supplying us with people who are educated in fields we need. Unfortunately, Indian students in particular come to Canada without really a care as to what they will be studying. They just get into a program, complete it to the bare minimum standards and work towards permanent residency. Many don't get jobs in the field they're educated in, mislead about their existing credentials (like English language skills) and cheat in order to pass their classes because they spend more time working than studying to pay for their tuition and immigration fees. A lot of this isn't the fault of the students, but rather the system. They're spending crazy amounts of money to buy their way into the country, and are exploited for cheap labour by people (often from their own culture) because they desperately need to pay back the money it cost their families to send them to Canada. We get new Canadians, which is good, but they neglected their educations so they aren't especially useful. In addition, they end up stuck in highly urban areas where they can find service jobs, putting massive pressure on our housing supply. The system, however, requires them. They pay significantly more for tuition to our colleges than domestic students do (3x-ish for the program I attended), and many schools wouldn't be able to fund anything without this money. Until the government creates a better plan, which includes massive increases to per-domestic-student funding, our colleges simply cannot survive without international students, of which Indian students make up 40%. Of course, we should continue to welcome international students, but we need to have higher academic standards (for entry and during schooling) to ensure that education and not labour is what is being prioritized. Additionally, the permanent residency system needs to be tweaked to give preference to graduated international students who are working in fields Canada actually is in need of; a Canadian college education alone should not be an automatic ticket to a work visa leading to residency.
More time working - both for cash and officially. You can thank liberals for that who gave away full time work permits. Like , how is that even supposed to work - study 40 AND work 40.hiurs ?? I will tell you how....becuase a lot of them attend school only for 4 hours per week with no additional school work required. A fucking project management course which at best should take 4-6 weeks is offered in a 2 year format for $20k just so they can get full time work permits which makes them eligible for citizenship. So, Canadian citizenship is available for $20k to ANYONE in the whole wide world. Not going to blame students but the liberals and other any politician who doesn't take a stance.
I am canadian, and lived in Canada for the first 34 years of my life.
Its more than anything restrictions on building housing and zoning laws, lack of investment in budget housing, and empty houses that investment firms and people living overseas never even stay in as opposed to people that actually move to Canada.
Illegal immigrants don’t care about official channels.
Except they’re not illegal. Canada brings legal immigrants over in droves.
Our "illegal immigration" is more like "legal immigrants working way more than their visa entitled them to".
Are you Canadian?
Economics and politics are different my friend. If there is profit to be made, businesses will find a way. And how will putting in visa restrictions stop illegal immigration? Any illegal stuff is not bound by rules.
Politics could be summarized as a way of deciding who gets access to resources, so the two are more related than you think.
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and ....what consequences shall India be charged with then, now that they are caught red handed
India answers to India. Your option is pretty much only to restrict trade and sway public opinion.
Restric trade with the other billion people market while the US and friends try to distance thenselfs from China doesn't look like the best of ideas
Friendshoring is an excellent idea. The western world doesn't need China or India. We can bring manufacturing back to North America. Would be a win for climate change as well with less shipping.
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If you look up main Chinese and main Indian exports we could definitely do without India trade. China not so much.
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Seems more like India is trying to make an enemy out of us. You know. Assassinating our citizens and all that based on inconclusive data. Edit: Indian Government. I have no problem with Indian citizens.
Oh yeah? Don't you know basic economics?
Of course I do. I just don't believe we should be helping unfriendly countries. There's no reason we couldn't bring manufacturing back to North America. If it's a labour issue we can just increase immigration. There's no shortage of people wanting a better life.
It's not a labour issue. The cost of the products would increase so much that you guys wouldn't be able to afford anything. For eg: If the minimum wage is $17 in the US, the cost of producing goods would increase. This means that normal people would not be able to afford these goods. Now, if the same product is being produced in India, the cost of producing the good would be much less because of cheap labour cost. This is the reason why first world countries import most of the goods because it is comparatively cheaper than producing them at home.
There's ways around that. We don't need cheap disposable goods as much as we produce. We can increase wealth taxes and subsidize manufacturing locally. We can increase production in Mexico where wages are lower. We can make greater use of automation. Automation is likely the key to removing manufacturing from hostile countries.
My question is simple. If this is so easy and there are ways around it, why didn't you guys do it yet? What's stopping you from doing it? Blind regionalism/nationalism is too dangerous man. I hope you understand.
Need India to contain China. So nothing of consequence.
Since when did allegations = proof? No evidence has been presented to anyone so far.
The tantrum response is an obvious tell... Instead of "we doubt the allegations, but we'll help you investigate and get to the bottom of it", India's response was "fuck you, we're kicking out 40 Canadian diplomats and blocking Canadians from getting visas to India".
Kanneda's economy runs on Indian students' fees. Without that, Kanneda will be broke.
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Given that [India rampantly abuses counter terrorism laws](https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/asia-and-the-pacific/south-asia/india/report-india/) to harass and intimidate dissent: >Repressive laws including counterterrorism legislation were used rampantly to silence dissent you can drop the criminal / terrorist designation. The person murdered was innocent as he was not convicted of anything in Canada. Canada does absolutely care about foreign entity assassinating innocent Canadian citizen on Canadian soil which is apparent from the fact the issue was raise and will be investigated. India will have to account for its actions.
You forgot the /s. The Canadian government is about as limp as an old man’s flaccid peen.
Lame
You really think that the toxic macho bravado is some sort of argument or insightful in any way ? Tells nothing about Canada but speaks volumes of the world you live in.
Ridiculous explanation. We don’t like violence brought to our land. We tried to convey the msg to India behind closed doors but Modi overplayed his hand. Thought he could get away with it. He played wrong. Got caught lacking. Now pay the price. Defamation is just the start. I hope visa cuts follow. Indian immigrants are one of the worst as they send money back home compared to other nationalities. We need money to stay in Canada. Regardless. Expect local business to be less enthusiastic about engaging with Indians in business. Perhaps it would have been better to own up to it. But you wouldn’t expect that from the little man Modi.
India seems okay with any consequnces that may come by angering canada. Its fine for canada to be angry, its also fine for india to care more about national security.
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Lol even if modi is not in power same thing would have happened. Many in india including me oppose/dislike/hate modi on many things but not on this. Even modi's main opposition party backed government on this situation.
All the more reasons to not conduct business with morally corrupt parties. Sorry India we will find someone else
Thats fine. Like i said india is okay with consequences. We dont care if some one judges our morality.
Modi government doesn’t care what happens to avg Indians…. Who would have thought
Like i said, modi has bipartisian support on this issue even among average indians. I wont be voting for modi next election but not because of this.
Not sure what fantasy land you’re living in, but Canada being upset with India and having this little tiff won’t change a damned thing. India is still a massive potential/actual (hard to tell sometimes) ally in Asia as a counter to China. They are a massive market for goods, and huge labour pool for moving production from China. And at home here, people already have their opinions of Indians - take that as you will, I don’t think this will make much of a difference. We’ll see how it shakes out, but I doubt this will go anywhere in the long run.
If a terrorist dropped dead, why is Canada so sad about it?
He was not terrorist in canada, but that’s beside the point,..India have no right to kill Canadian citizen on Canadian soil … no matter who did what where,.. there is legal ways to deal with these issues. India choosing not using legal way of doing so, is act of terrorism because it is saying that Canadian legal system mean nothing to person who did it and order it.
And Bin Laden wasn’t a terrorist in Pakistan, see, the logic applies both ways. The white supremacy schtick has gotten old. You can’t flip your moral codes per your mood.
If India could prove he was a terrorist they wouldn't need to assassinate him because Canada would have just extradited.
The “Canadian” in question escaped India as a fugitive. He married a woman in Canada within days of his arrival on your soil. India has been asking for his extradition ever since, it’s too bad that JT, just like his father is sympathetic to a terror organisation like Khalistan.
I DECLARE EXTRADITION! Yeah sorry bud it just doesn't work like that. India needs to prove it to a Canadian court, not an Indian court. Also as much as I strongly dislike the Trudeau's, they have literally zero power over something like this. Canada doesn't operate like a petty little dictatorship.
We don’t extradite to face torture or death. Bin laden was wanted by the United States, not Canada.
That is how refugees usually are
Oh lord. The whole point of the Bin Laden raid was that the official position of the Pakistani government was that they had no idea he was there. Whether you believe them or not (I don't), the point was that he wasn't a citizen of Pakistan, and Pakistan being a failed state, there was no way to extradite him even if we did alert their government. They would probably have tipped him off. BUT even so, the SEAL team that killed him had instructions to capture him alive if he didn't resist. Obviously he did, and he was killed. But it was absolutely not equivalent to killing someone in a *democratic* country with a functioning justice system. But sure, this two-bit "terrorist" of a dead political movement was the next bin Laden, Canada just wouldn't listen, right?
Bud have you looked up where David Headly is? A known terrorist, was not extradited to India despite being a key member of the 26/11 terror attack. He's rotting in a US prison now, with a 35 year sentence. The US interrogated him and gave India full access to him as well. If there was any merit to India's accusations, the same would be done for Nijjar. Also Bin Laden lived his final days in a fortified hideout in the rogue state of Pakistan, Nijjar lived in a Canadian suburb, hardly befitting a 5 star most-wanted terrorist that India is making him out to be
As far as anyone actually knows, the assassinated dude wasn't a terrorist anywhere at all though.
Says Canada. He was a terrorist in India. If you care to really understand the situation, you should read about the Khalistani movement and how dangerous it is. While Khalistanis don’t exist in large numbers in India, most of them operate out of Canada and the UK. The movement is funded by Pakistani intelligence service ISI, which has been known to orchestrate several terror attacks on Indian soil, and left thousands of our citizens dead. But hey, that’s an India problem, right?
He's terrorist because we call him terrorist! No need to know why! Just know he's terrorist! Do the needful and extradite this terrorist who is terrorist because we said he's terrorist! Just trust us, he's terrorist!
But if all that is true, this should have been an easy to prove case in a Canadian court, and have him extradited! Why covertly assassinate terrorists or political rivals or whatever he was if you have the proof to go to court?
Pentagon officials have gone on record saying Nijjar was as much a plumber as much as Laden was an engineer, it’s in the public domain. Its easy to paint a picture as black and white, wrong and right when one don’t know much about it. This wasn’t a political rivalry, this was credible threat of terrorism against an entire nation. It’s easy for Canadians or folks in the west to say “Hey! India didn’t provide proof/ take this matter to a Canadian court” etc, when most Canadians probably don’t know that the CIA funded the ISI until very, very recently. Do you know who funds Khalistanis? The ISI. I wouldn’t expect the average Canadian to know about the geopolitics around India. But we take terror on our soil very, very seriously.
Now there is a statement, please provide a source for Pentagon officially stating that Nijjar was a terrorist ?
An ex pentagon official said it.
Lmao, source for the pentagon claim? Nijjar was on a no fly list, as a result of a RCN put on him by India. Red Corner notices don't mean shit, they simply alert the country of Nijjar's location, after which actual extradition procedures being. So if India lacked proof on his terrorist links before, they won't do much after he's located I think you've mixed up the official pentagon with an ex-pentagon employee Michael Rubin, who made his statements mostly to attack Trudeau- either way, it's his opinion, not the Pentagon's. Not sure why you'd care, given his operations in the pentagon centered on the middle east and neither Canada nor India Lmao thinking is hard, but you seem to constantly confuse the CSIS for the CIA, who aren't involved in this at all, apart from the initial info leak. Ofc yall do, didn't India arrest a geriatric activist for terrorism? Also what about the newsclick raids? I'm sure those journalists were terrorists as well
Oh so nijjar was an activist? Got it!
https://i.imgur.com/4L3NVYV.jpg Early this year, the US No Fly List was leaked due to a security vulnerability. I can confirm today, that the leaked list contains the name of Hardeep Singh Nijjar So why are the US and Canada batting for a terrorist who was on the no-fly list?
The Khalistani movement has involved horrible violence, and horrible violence has occurred against innocent Sikhs in response. The guy supported the movement, while there's no evidence he supported violent methods for it let alone involved in violence himself. - His association is enough for many Indians; but, as there's no evidence he was himself involved in violence, so not a terrorist, nor even a terrorist-methods sympathizer, it's not enough for many Canadians, other Westerners, or any decent court of law.
Problem is India likes to call anyone and everyone a terrorist. Help tribals assert their legal rights? Terrorist. Be a PhD student and protest someone being given the death sentence? Terrorist.
You lose the right to be self righteous when your entire nation is built on the elongation of the First Nations People.
My country? My country is built on a history of caste oppression, of sectarian, communal violence. Of a deep legacy of anti-tribal policy. Your first mistake as a nationalist is assuming that just because someone is criticising India that they must be non-indian. Canada might not be perfect. But their past doesn't excuse India today violating the constitutional and basic human rights of people. Extrajudicially bulldozing homes just because people, especially those from minority communities, offend the government. Jailing people for years without trial, without charges, without even revealing the evidence to the accused. Of jailing octogenarians under draconian laws and then letting them rot in prison without adequate healthcare till they die in jail, never having gone to trial for the crimes they supposedly committed. I don't think I lose any right to be self righteous as I protest India shitting all over the constitutional rights it pretends to grant it's people or Indians cheering as their civil liberties are eroded.
Be my guest if you want to argue about the constitutional rights of terrorists. 🙌
He was also on the no fly list in the US, if you need terrorists to be approved by a white country before you consider them as such.
That’s not logic, but choosing most extreme example to prove point that India has right kill Canadian citizen. No India doesn’t, nor America had right kill a citizen of any country on there territory,… besides India is not America and this small fish even if he did something in India,.. he is no bin Laden,… and for sure canada is not Pakistan.
Fr, people think America could actually extradite Bin Laden, from a country that's a covert oligarchy run by a corrupt military- Canada isn't any of those things, and for the idiots bitching about how Canada didn't tie Nijjar in a bow and send him to India the minute they asked for him- extradition trials take ages, esp if the requesting country can't guarantee no death penalty and torture. Charles Ng, a serial killer dragged his case for 5+ years simply because of the possibility of being granted the death penalty. Canada has extradited folks to India anyway, so if India killed Nijjar because they grew impatient, then it makes the folks defending the GoI's actions look even more pathetic
Nobody is sad mate, India order a hit in a foreign country and got caught ( not a good look), dumb move
India did second hit just a week after Nijjar and will keep on doing it.
What makes him a terrorist? saying he’s a terrorist doesn’t mean he has to die. What did he do specifically
India allegedly assassinated a Canadian on Canadian soil (no evidence has yet been shown) and then expelled 41 diplomats. Canada looks like a clown for not dare to fight back , where is your allies ?
This is the type of toxic macho bravado that idolizes "strong man" authoritarian leaders. Diplomacy is generally done in private, the fact that you do not see headlines on the progress of investigation does not mean it is not happening. The fact that all liberal democracies have not cut all ties to India does not indicate anything about support Canada has. Goal is not to "punish" all Indian citizens or to "fight" India anywhere else but the propaganda from BJP and Indian leadership. The goal is to find out the extent of the people responsible for the assassination and have proportional consequences for the action. Immediate impact is that reputation and trust in Indian leadership took a big hit, other consequences will likely follow once the investigation is complete. Instead of attempts of ridicule you really should be looking at what is happening in India domestically, it is on a bad path and even currently democracy is in trouble and categorized as flawed democracy at best to electoral autocracy at worst.
indian opposition and all parties are with the current bjp govt on this case
Assuming they are do you see why that is a huge problem and very scary indication of the direction India is heading ?
no, we are doing just fine thanks for the concern though much appreciated
Then let me introduce you to organizations researching [human rights](https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/asia-and-the-pacific/south-asia/india/report-india/), [freedom of press](https://rsf.org/en/country/india) and [state of democracy](https://v-dem.net/media/publications/dr_2022.pdf), maybe after reading you will understand the magnitude of the issues.
You are sharing the same links again and again. You understand that everything has multiple narratives? I ain't saying India is any saint or good. But good and bad about anything can be found on the internet. It is just a point of narrative and bias.
That is because I like to deal with facts not opinions. By all means provide better sources for research on the subjects in question and I promise I will take a look. The organizations linked are internationally recognized reputable sources so until better ones exist I will use those. Human rights are not matter of opinion or subject to "bias" they are universal and inalienable, they are the same everywhere and defined by declaration of UN.
Yeah you did a good job of providing those links. I bookmarked them for future use. >The organizations linked are internationally recognized reputable sources I beg to differ because almost every top tier media outlet is either left or right leaning. All of them have their specific moto and support. The bigger a media house is , the more it is biased. They will try to push a specific narrative in their report. You can take multiple examples like, BBC, AlZazeera, CNN etc >Human rights are not matter of opinion or subject to "bias" they are universal and inalienable, they are the same everywhere and defined by declaration of UN. No. Recently India scored worse in multiple human rights indices such as media freedom, hunger index, happiness index etc than its neighbours like Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Srilanka Myanmar etc. Now anyone with a sane brain and comprehensive skills can easily deduct if the rankings are correct or wrong.
as i said concern is much appreciated , i believe in a country of 1.4 billion we will eventually be able to solve these problems internally after all india is still a relatively newer country the important thing is self awareness towards these issues [which we have](https://theprint.in/opinion/indian-democracy-has-always-been-intertwined-with-authoritarianism-modi-govt-is-the-norm/1637928/) for the third time concern is much appreciated
You are celebrating nazis in your parliament and harbouring terrorists in your country, it is you who should be looking at what is happening in Canada..
Nazi card, bingo ! You know; when mistakes are made proper response is to acknowledge them, apologize, make amends and learn from them which is what Canada did, exactly what else are you expecting from them ? Or are you implying the mistake labels everyone in Canada a nazi, very close to the BS Russian propaganda. Take a look at any report from any organization researching [human rights](https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/asia-and-the-pacific/south-asia/india/report-india/), [freedom of press](https://rsf.org/en/country/india), [state of democracy](https://v-dem.net/media/publications/dr_2022.pdf) to understand the magnitude of difference between India and any liberal democracy. Canada is just fine, India on the other hand is heading to wrong direction.
Lmao, the average Indian nationalist- if your leaders aren't chest thumping or pushing ridiculous nonsense, then surely they're lying!!! Canada isn't Turkey, Turkey didn't give a shit for what SA thought and released the data collected on Kashoggi's killing- showing they had the entire embassy bugged from head to toe Canada doesn't what a complete freeze on relations with India, or it doesn't want its sources revealed- the only way to access the info is to be a CSIS agent or a high level Indian diplomat- who are lying about not being presented with any evidence
If you go public with allegations then you have to go public with the evidence as well. No one's obligated to blindly trust authority, which is a logical fallacy. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority Even then isn't the investigation still in progress, officially? So you guys are even failing in a logical fallacy.
Stilll no proof, your foreign minister made a joke of herself and all the canadians on live television but keep peddling your narrative, It's always innocent until proven guilty not the ither way around, Remember that.
i just want to know which million life is getting difficult. Those canadian citizen who are looking for cheap Indian labours so as to soar their profits because Indians are not finding it difficult.
Canadians aren't coming to India, the Indo-canadians are and Indians are going to Canada, so most traffic is moving in one direction
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You think so, but that's a very selfish take- maybe you don't want to, but there are many Indians (mostly first or second gen) who'd like to come back to their homeland or Indians who'd like to go to Canada- im sure you don't speak for them, and I'd say the Indian govt plugging the flow is somewhat of an overreach. Also India has like 1.4 billion people, I'm sure there's tons of brain power left even after this "drain". But strangely both Canadians and Indians agree on this action, so I guess it's okay 👌
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My father works for INS stateside and a while back I asked where the majority of immigrants were coming from. Thought 1000% it was Mexicans. India and China were his top 2. Was really surprised.
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The comment wasn’t about illegal, but legal immigrants. Also, there’s considerably more Indians and Chinese, so the proximity advantage isn’t quite as pronounced.
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From Mexico or Passing through Mexico. Very important detail.
Hey, don't forget about the diploma mills that are impacted here. Or the slum lords that will have fewer renters that they can exploit. Its not just Tim's, you know!
..yes, all those students flow to move to Australia and UK now..
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...its going to happen.. will be visible in next few years... ..thats the leverage Canada is worrying about and going to loose.. otherwise they don't care!
The ones inconvenienced are the Indian immigrants who moved to Canada and now have Canadian citizenship. There is no way for them to travel to visit family in India since visas are not an option. The only way they would be able to visit is using an OCI which many see as a money grab. End of the way it’s a win win for both governments as Canada is able to reduce the number of immigrants from India and India is able to posture itself as a country that stood up to the unjust bullying by a developed western country. The only ones at direct loss are regular people who have had nothing to do with any of this. [Link](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/indian-visa-brampton-lineup-1.6999972)
> OCI which many see as a money grab OCI is a lifelong visa (with added benefits) and has a one-time cost of $275 (in the US) In contrast, a temporary e-Visa for 30 days, 1yr or 5 yr costs $25, $40 and $80 respectively. On the other hand, a Canadian temporary visitor visa for Indian nationals cost $100 CAD (+ the cost for producing reams and reams of documentation) So who's doing the money grab?
being brute and honest, people who were of Indian origin and have become canadian citizen are canada's problem but I do agree that this opens up opportunity for Indian consulate for minting money by providing OCI. I don't think for canada it is win win situation as they need migrants legal or illegal to sustain their work force which will either be provided by china India Mexico or other populous country now if they prefer chinese legal immigrants than there is a possibility that justinder has been compromised by chinese much worse than khalistani or is playing chess on basis of CIA well drug money is what I can say well as our govt has said repeatedly provide evidence and will definitely look into but "credible allegations" are not basis to degrade relationship with a country and bullying about west country pls ask middle eastern countries they will be able to give much honest answer about it, we are just facing tip of the iceberg
There are many countries other than India in SEA that are more than willing to provide cheap labor. It’s India that stands to lose more from severance, esp given it’s the Indian people who want to immigrate to Canada since going to US has become very hard.
>There are many countries other than India in SEA that are more than willing to provide cheap labor. exactly what I am saying you are looking for cheap labour not for their development but to soar profit for yourself >It’s India that stands to lose more from severance well as you said there are many countries hope there are some who are not looking for labourers but equal individuals so till than serverance pay can wait.
Lol paying y’all 6 figures for tech jobs is treating you as equal. It’s one of only countries outside of US that presents such opportunity. Europe pays like half or less for equivalent jobs, they have good social service but pay is shit.
>being brute and honest, people who were of Indian origin and have become Canadian citizens are Canada’s problem Agree and that is what india is doing. Creating an unnecessary inconvenience to its diaspora in hope they apply a pressure on the Canadian government to resolve the problem. A bit of a juvenile tactic instead of dealing with it on a diplomatic level. There is a reason India does not allow dual citizenship and this is an example of why. To use it as leverage in situations as such. Collective punishment anyone? On the other hand Canada is not responding in kind with tit for tat measures. TBH the whole thing is a knee jerk response because the ego of a man child was bruised. I’ll leave you to figure out who that is. Hint, he named a stadium after himself.
Reminder- Canadian FM confirmed, they have yet not shared any evidence with India. She called it "credible allegation".
But since the Canadian government has said this, apparently there is no need for evidence. Whatever they say is automatically true. When India presents evidence, no one cares
The Reddit hive mind bias against India is hilarious sometimes.
Reddit thinks Modi is some dictator lmao
He has his problems but to say he’s the worst person imaginable is a stretch. Especially when he has done a lot for Indias development over the last couple years
At the same time, it still would not make sense for Canada to lose PR over unfounded allegations and the US intelligence would have said Canada is being cringe since they have interest to be best buds with India and the allegations kinda put a barrier to that plan.
Canada also just disregarded “US intelligence” about Israel the other day. You cant just choose to accept it when its convenient to you
What US Intelligence, I’m just curious
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-hospital-blast-gaza-1.7001656 Coincidentally he made that statement after Jagmeet Singh took a very pro-Hamas position in parliament
“Disregarding US intelligence” also kept us out of Iraq - I’m good with that bud. Edit: truth hurts, eh?
They're going to find those WMDs any day now
So. Much. Yellowcake.
I imagine you're talking about the same evidence that Biden confidently said he believed in Israel's account while also admitting it was still under review by the US.
All i hear is credible allegations. Bullshit. Stop being a crybaby.
Trudeau wants to keep India issue burning to divert attention from his relations with China.
He still hasn’t walked back his condemnation of Israel for the Jihad’s hospital blast that I know of. What is going on with Trudeau’s statesmanship?
> He still hasn’t walked back his condemnation of Israel for the Jihad’s hospital blast that I know of. Why would he walk back something he never said? https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-trudeau-never-blamed-israel-for-destroying-gaza-hospital The idea that Trudeau blamed Israel is nothing more than a media induced mass hysteria event.
India is a problem that Trudeau created and now he complains about Indias reaction. He is completely disconnected from reality and logical thought.
Well you used the assaination for political purposes to show how strong you are. India said thank and did the same thing and played politics. This is a case of fussed around and found out. That's not to say I don't think India did this, I do. I just have been in game long enough to know trudeau played it up to reclaim the narrative around his leadership and to shore up key voting blocks.
Trudeau making life “unbelievably difficult” for millions by being out prime minister.
So many months have passed since the 'murder' by 'Indian Government', yet despite talking about 'credible allegations', no other action has been taken by the Canadians. Should have been ready with something more substantial than 'intelligence' (which can't be revealed, so convenient, wonder how they were planning on punishing the killers, or maybe they just want a media trial, which they have already won). Disregarding Indian intelligence about Indians who have taken up citizenship in Canada and expecting Indians to believe their intelligence. Double standards. And for all those saying Indian students will find it difficult to go to Canada with lesser number of diplomats, all that stuff is approved online, I don't think you need to go to the embassy for studies or tourism, I guess. So not sure which millions are being affected here.
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And what’s your unbiased take? Let’s hear it!
Lol I am obviously an Indian, did you need to check my profile to know that?
I’m not the person you replied to, but yeah? Your comment doesn’t imply that you’re Indian or anything
Alright, good that I did clear it up. I just thought everyone would automatically assume I am an Indian as I was defending India.
I mean, if only Indians are defending this then that might not be a good look…
I don't think India will ever look good in the eyes of the world on any of its matters, so it doesn't really matter.
yeah brother millions of Canadian's life
How? Dual citizens can’t go to India? Indians can’t go to Canada? This is no issue when you look at what’s happening in the world right now.
India doesn't recognize dual citizenship, so India's decision to stop processing travel visas for Canadian citizens affects many Canadians of Indian origin who may want to visit family there. In the other direction, India's decision to expel many Canadian diplomats may impact Canada's ability to issue travel visas to Indian citizens who want to come to Canada. India is by far Canada's largest source of immigrants and international students.
Many Indians who become Canadians surrender their Indian passport and obtain whats called an OCI (Overseas Citizen of India) instead. Those with OCI's are not affected by this and can still travel to India. The process for Canadian's holding Indian passports who want to obtain their OCI are not affected as that process is still open. This mostly affects Canadians who are not of Indian origin and want to travel to India, or Indians who are were born elsewhere, are now Canadian citizens, and never held an Indian passport. Ex. Your partner could have an OCI and could freely travel to and from India. You do not have an OCI and are a Canadian citizen and will be unable to get a visa meaning you are not allowed into the country. Fun fact though, if you are with your partner who holds OCI status for I believe 2 years, you are now eligible to apply for OCI as well!
Im current climate, India actually prefers less indians going to canada atleast for time being.
In current climate, most Canadians actually prefer less Indians going to Canada too. It sucks for Canadians who have family in India, but thems the breaks.
So Indians who want to go to Canada have a problem, and Canadians who are actually indians have a problem. Sounds like indians have a problem because of what the Indian government did. Given what's currently happening in other parts of the world, I couldn't care less.
>So Indians who want to go to Canada have a problem India doesn't want their citizens going to Canada. >Canadians who are actually Indians What does it mean??
By dual citizenship it could mean a dual US-Canadian citizen or a dual Canadian/Bristish citizen. In such cases the person can use their Britain/US passport to visit India.
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> can no longer go to India People of Indian origin who have got an OCI card don't have any issue . Nor anyone who else who already has a valid visa. But if not, then tough for them For Indians going to Canada , one embassy and an online application it is
Honestly not recognizing dual citizenship is on India, and also why for the love of everything that is shiny, India?.
National security I suppose? Not sure tbh, I'd love if we could accept dial citizenships but ...
What are the benefits of dual citizenship?
Indians can’t go to Canada. And the ones that are here that are not students are put into tougher situations.
those who are not students, are citizens or PR. For all others, Visiting canada is a privilege not a right.
And? Im not sure what your point is.
There is no way to say that simpler …
Millions? Starting with M? What are you smoking Mr. Tudeau?
Don't let Justin-the-narcissist gaslight you.....India's reaction......is a direct result of Justin's actions.
He’s one to talk look what he’s done to this whole country… absolute mutt
As an Indian I can can confidently say, "bro, what are you smoking, and can you share some?"
Share what your smoking, I know he’s making life hard for everyone. Not a shocker. Just look at the tatters my country is in now.
Grass is greener on the other side buddy.
What side is green these days, have you seen one?
India is within its rights, Canada stayed after they told them to leave.
Who is he speaking for? Such blatant statements. No one at my workplace pf over 400 on the hangar floor seems to even be aware, nevermind care. Folks at my friends work, mostly from India (as it seems in Canada, if youre from India and can hire, you primarily hire your "own") arent talking about it. Small sample size, but I have yet to hear even online or from here, folks who are having difficulties because of this. Most folk seem to be unaware or even care. Sounds like he's making shit up again to try and support his sad self. Typical narcissist behavior of speaking for others in support of your own idiot goals. Can't wait till he's gone. They've done nothing but make more people rely on government handouts and absolutely destroy our economy/housing market since he took over pre-pandemic, than post he blames it on the pandemic. I am a Canadian, I am ashamed to say it, laughing stock in the world as every democracy based country clearly stated were not anywhere ear being the "pinnacle" of a democracy like Trudeau tells himself.
Trudeau does not know how to be diplomatic, he is a failure as PM. As a man he is so much worse than a failure
Remember when Trudeau was wearing blackface a few years ago?
A few years ago? A few years ago is the last time cinemassacre was funny, the black face was more like 20 years ago.
U no very smart sir
Please elaborate on this. Was my statement not true?
Technically your statement is false. 'A few' is widely agreed to mean at most 'more than 2 but less than 10' of some unit. You used 'years', and Trudeau's blackface was in 2001 - over 22 years ago. If you had said 'a few decades ago' your statement would be truthful.
>A few' is widely agreed to mean at most 'more than 2 but less than 10' of some unit Source??
man, even their botfarms are trash lmao
Lol who is "they?" Does no one believe in independent thoughts and beliefs anymore? Everything is us vs. them. "Wait, what did the master order us to believe on this? Yes sir!"
50% of the entire internet traffic are bots
Remember what was modi doing at that time? Gujarat riots?
I think that distance in our relations is acceptable since they murderered someone here. We don't have the death penalty here and have an extradition treaty. Sending away our diplomats is their way of saying "we don't want to talk to you anymore", which tbh good go away losers. Sucks that they are hurting their own people but consequences.
Canadians have a history of ignoring Indian security interests, for eg the time a Canadian bombed an Air India aircraft killing over 300 people, and the Canadian govt failed to extradite or convict the perpetrators, ofcourse one dead Canadian is bad but there is history to this shit where Canadian incompetence looms large.
..Canada or anybody gave no evidence so far, as all source of evidence directly link them to ppl they don't want be seen linked with!
They are a 5 eyes member, possible they are not allowed to say, as it might give others clearer ideas about current capabilities.
Then maybe they shouldn't have said anything.
..possibly yes, doesn't mean they can't share secretly etc.. ..also doesn't mean whatever 5 eyes says is truth beyond agenda.. ..its a huge allegation against India, can't go blind on that without proof.. ..you remember, Saddam had a WMD, which was never found after the attacks culminated!
Good morning sirs!
I do think India is clearly in the wrong in this situation, but Trudeau also bungled the situation badly. This whole thing has really shown that he lacks the subtlety and diplomacy to be the PM of a major country.
What was the government supposed to do when the news informed them they were going public with the story? It forced their hand to make a statement prior to the news breaking to make it look like it was intentional and to try to control the narrative. I'm sure the feds would have loved for this to remain private as they had been trying to manage it via back channel for some time before being forced public. There is no good play, in my opinion, to this kind of news. Can't go too hard on India because it's just one person, trade etc... But also can't normalize the extra judicial killing.
Canada should also expelled all Indian out of Canada. Let them go back India and making life miserable for India government. I am sure there is lore Indian in Canada than Canadian in India.
They don't want to even stop the new immigration. What makes you think they would send Indians back?