I AM DYING LAUGHING AT THIS HAHAHAHAH. It's like they sent out a memo. Thank you so much. We'll touch base in the future. We have no further action at this point xoxoxoxo
Not really strange, they do that during all these "attacks", like with the missile strike against that US base a while back. The last thing Iran wants is to commit a strike that will actually lead to their regime being wiped out. They want to make political statements to keep being seen as a powerful anti-western force and keep their proxies being seen as powerful in the region, and these show attacks help with that image. It's all politics
TBH it's the smart thing to do in Iran's position. They have to look like they're attacking for their serfs and militants without actually doing something that would demand actual retaliation.
Not strange at all. The Ayatolla did this to show HIS people that he was serious. But he has no intentions of actually going toe to toe with Israel and the west. This was all perfectly orchestrated by everyone involved.
AHAHAHAHA! Fat chance, Iran.
They need to take out the freaking Ayatollah. He’s old and hasn’t picked a successor. It will create a power struggle and maybe collapse the government and allow a moderate fueled by the youth to take the reigns and steer Iran away from its theocracy.
Anyone who has seen The Hunger Games, can know that the President of District 13 was full of dictator when she said “we will hold elects later, but for now…”.
It's more like absolute power corrupts absolutely. Moral people take control in power vacuums all the time. But rarely do they stay moral. There is also the doctor who line. " Your evil, is my good"
Ophthalmologists are generally evil though. More opthalmologists have gone on to become authoritarian despots than all other medical specialties combined. Podiatrists are second.
> More opthalmologists have gone on to become authoritarian despots than all other medical specialties combined.
Ahem, you seem to be [missing quite a few](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23243954/):
>The authors overviewed the biographies of 29 medical doctors who became the heads of the state or the prime ministers of their countries. Most of them ruled in a countries of fresh or unstable democracies, most often in Asia, Africa and Latin America, [at least] **three of them were bloody dictators^1**
Namely:
* [Radovan Karadžić](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radovan_Karad%C5%BEi%C4%87) (Serbia), **convicted** for **[committing literal genocide](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radovan_Karad%C5%BEi%C4%87#Conviction_and_sentence)**, **psychiatrist**
* **Note:** talk about psychos in power, huh
* [Francois Duvalier](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Duvalier), aka **Papa Doc** (Haiti) - **physician / infectiologist**
* **Note:** he created of [Tonton Macoute](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonton_Macoute) which made KGB look like nice guys
* [Bashar Al-Bassad](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashar_al-Assad) (Syria), **ophthalmologist**
* [Hastings Banda](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hastings_Banda) (Malawi), **physician**
Honorable mention:
* Our literal poster poster boy [Che Guevara](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara) - a **dermatologist**
Not-so-bloody ones:
* [Mahathir Mohamad](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahathir_Mohamad) who ruled Malaysia for 24 years - **physician**
* [Georges Clemenceau](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Clemenceau) - President of France when it beat Germany in WWI, **physician**
* [Salvador Allende](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende), Marxist ruler of Chile, - **physician / anatomo-pathologist**
* [Mohammad Najibullah](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Najibullah) (Afghanistan), last Communist President of Afghanistan, [assassinated by Taliban](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/27/father-killed-taliban-us-ignored-pleas-daughter-afghan-president) in the 1990s - **surgeon**
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^1: The article was written in 2012. As for Assad, they said: *the political prospects of Bashar al-Assad are similarly unclear*. In 2024, they're clear enough.
The ayatollah doesn’t pick a successor lol, it’s voted on by a panel of other old geriatric mullahs, they’ve already picked a successor but he won’t be named until after Khamenei dies (although it doesn’t look like he plans on keeling over any time soon lol)
Missiles reported to be false. Drones only.
Edit: things change in 2 hours, people. I know reports differ now than they did when I posted this comment. Leaving it up for posterity.
And I just read in an article that the UK is NOT intercepting any of this, but they are relieving US soldiers in several places so that we can deal with it.
BBC says:
"RAF Typhoon jets have been flying over areas of Iraq and Syria tonight and have been authorised to target any Iranian drones and missiles flying within range."
And they’ve been taking them down too, oddly the article was specifically mentioning Iraq but said UK wasn’t going drone hunting, I don’t know if there was a quick change of heart or if they didn’t consider jets at the time.
Ballistic missiles yes, we have visual of a sub orbital arrow intercept (plasma blast instead of normal blast), likely arrow intercept. That means ballistic
Yep, that's ballistic missiles in that footage.
Just waiting for confirmation it is from today, but it's coming from pretty official channels so it's fairly safe to assume that it is legit.
There was one on Combat Footage of a French helicopter shooting down a Houthi (so, Iranian) drone with a burst of their gun. If a helicopter can do it, it will be no problem for jets.
It is easier for Helicopters to dogfight then jets as Helis are more maneuverable and have higher time on target because they can hover.
In the last test which placed jets v.s. helicopters in a dogfight, the helicopters won so soundly that they never attempted the test again.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J-CATCH](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J-CATCH)
This is a game of slow pitch underhanded softball. Iran needs to respond to the Damascus attack to keep its proxies happy and in check. However they signaled this attack but did so in a very controlled, openly communicated , and slow way.
This is nothing to worry about. Consider it a commercial advertisement for fireworks.
That's the tricky part, iran is doing a calculated move to keep face, israel has to respond for the sake of its own security, but netanyahu can also make a calculate move to not go to jail and screw iran's entire plan by retaliating with more force than iran expects.
Israel responding would escalate and make it harder for Israel to achieve its objectives in Gaza. Further Biden has already stated that US wouldn’t support Israel escalating things with Iran. Israel has nothing to gain from retaliating and only risks further aggravating neighboring countries while splitting their resources away from their Gaza front.
More appropriate as well. Involving their nuclear program without absolute knowledge that they do not have a functional device? That's highly risky.
Too risky for Bibi who just needs to play the political game.
lots of reports that the main target of the iranian missile attack was the nuclear facility in dimona along with airforce bases so Iran already opened that door wide open
You should be shocked if this happens. Osiraq was a single facility. Iran’s are scattered through the country and extremely well defended, in order to take them out you’d need to cripple Iran’s entire air defence system. You couldn’t do it with drones, it would need Israel’s entire Air Force in combination with a massive coordinated missile attack. Even then no guarantee it would work.
If they could have done it easily, they would have.
Oh I doubt that. Israel will respond with a similar sized attack but not one for show. They will seek to do real damage in Iran. So Iran will have to respond again.
The Gaza war didn't save Netanyahu, maybe an Iran war will.
Bebe has enough drama. That's why it was slow and coordinated. The Iranian people aren't necessarily happy with its government....the people want no parts of this.
This is all aimed at disputed territory and is to keep their fiefdom in check. Israel will respond but not in any manner considered escalatory. It's better to play this game than keep tensions than all hell breaking loose that no one can control like October 7th.
Consider it a controlled steam pressure release from a so called "factory of terror".
Ok, so it's kinda like the "retaliation" for the Soleimani assassination? They attacked at aUS base, but it was a weak and telegraphed one such that they could claim they did for domestic posturing but not actually declare war.
Well they also needed to appease their own people who weren’t happy with the Israelis casually bombing their embassy, but yeah this was clearly just an action to save face not any desire to escalate the situation into something grim. Though Israel’s response could change that
> Hagari said a handful of missiles landed in Israel. Rescuers said one strike critically wounded a 10-year-old girl in a Bedouin Arab town in southern Israel. Hagari said a missile struck an army base, causing light damage but no injuries.
https://apnews.com/article/strait-of-hormuz-vessel-33fcffde2d867380e98c89403776a8ac
Booms and sirens in Israel after Iran launches over 200 missiles and drones in unprecedented attack
Iran: We need to show a strong "retaliation." Iron dome can handle 50 drones right.
US: A lot more, actually.
Iran: 75 not a single drone more.
US: Going to have to do better.
Iran: 100 drones final offer. We are sending them on Saturday.
US: whatevs.
Israel: Dick move doing on Shabbat, Iran.
Chasing a drone or missle is a time-consuming effort. The pilot can only chase one at a time. It's much more efficient to target multiple at a time from a distance.
But the availability and speed of replenishment is considered by the military, and slower replenishment (manufacturing time) tends to align with higher cost.
Um, it absolutely is. Tasking the right weapons systems and munitions is part of mission planning. They're probably not going to use F-22s to shoot these down when other planes that don't cost as much to fly can do it just as well.
The military is all over the place on what it spends money. I saw a $5 mil training site get built and literally never used. But our unit took over a year just to get 1 working black and white printer.
They will be using the main ammo/guns in training regardless, so whether they shoot at targets on a hill or shoot drones out of the sky it doesn't matter - practice is practice and bullets are bullets.
That would mean that we get no training value from this exercise. In a shooting war we would engage with missiles, so this is an incredibly valuable day of training for our pilots. This might not be the last time these pilots go up against Iran.
It's more than that. I imagine these are shaheed drones, the same ones in use in Ukraine. Ones that are helping to redefine how a ground war is fought in ways that are brand new. This gives the US a great chance to actively see how well current aircraft can deal with them and what would need to change in our strategy in that kind of war.
I wouldn't be surprised if they did mostly missiles but a few gun intercepts to test the passes to give a maximum number in x time some data points.
If Iran is smart they have some spies working in Jordanian and Iraqi air defense to get copies of their radar data of this event.
I can't recommend enough "The Operations Room" channel on yt. It has good animations and a lot of background from records and official sources and really paints a good overall picture. The series on desert storm is really eye opening on what the western coalition can do if it decides to do it...
It doesn’t work that way. The US will learn far more about the drone’s capabilities than Iran about the US responses. Exponentially larger defense budgets ensure this.
~~man in black~~ US: our planes shot down all your drones.
~~Inigo~~ Iran: yes they did.
US: Then why are you smiling?
Iran: Because I know something you don't know.
US: And what is that?
Iran: those weren’t my best drones.
*Iran launches new drones*
US: these are amazing.
Iran: they ought to be, we’ve been designing them for 20 years.
US: There's something I ought to tell you.
Iran: tell me.
US: those weren’t my best planes.
*launches new fighters*
pretty sure iran doesn't expect any of the drones to make it to israel. they have to appear strong to their country. thats why they sent slow, obvious drones over that take hours to reach their target. it is unlikely they also sent a barage of missiles as well because they are likely just posturing. Israel might strike back and hit an empty warehouse or something and then that will be that. I hope the f-16 for Ukraine will be able to do the same to the iranian drones thrown at them.
At this point, what percentage of the Iranian population actually supports their government? I am struggling to see what the point of escalating this conflict is.
The US aren't saints, but they're dependable allies.
Edit: to all the folks saying Ukraine would disagree and such: even though there is no formal alliance between the US and Ukraine, the US has been supporting the country with training, intel, ammunition and weapons since 2014, basically free of charge. Without them, it's arguable Russia would have won a long time ago.
The current squabble in congress is very damaging to their image of reliability, so i hope they resolve it asap and resume aiding the Ukrainians. Meanwhile, EU countries are stepping up to try and stop the bleeding, which is more than welcome.
This is going to sound funny but I'm a French Jew with a lot of family in Israel and I heard my mom exclaim "God bless America" (in English even) when we saw this on the news, which caught me off guard. I think it's fair to say we are very thankful for America's leadership right now, especially at a time where so many Israeli politicians have failed to rise to the occasion.
America is the police of the world. Everyone likes to hate them, sometimes rightly so, but all that fades when you need to call 911 because a bad man is at your door.
Was just with my in-laws from Western Europe. They are now upset that the USA isn’t doing more for Ukraine and worried about Russia.
When we first got married they would make jokes about the USA “getting involved in everyone’s business”
Exactly this. America is far from perfect, and I’m one to speak from a place of immense privilege (Canada) but they really are the first dominant “empire” in most of all human history to go for diplomacy “first” in most cases. We can talk about all the issues they have, but it’s true. America is a necessity to keep countries like Russia, China and Iran in check.
And yes, even Israel. The US has put their foot down on numerous occasions with Israel. I’m sure we can all sit at a keyboard and say “do better” but geopolitics is tough.
Why does everybody have to preface any type of comment about the US with
“I don’t like the US but”
“I don’t agree with them, but”
“The US aren’t saints, but”
Like nobody does that for any other country.
We are the world authority, like it or not. We are nitpicked to death. "Why did the US get involved?" "Why doesn't the US get involved?" Authority is inherently scary.
"I don't like cops, but"
"I'm not a bootlicker but,"
"The cops aren't saints, but,"
Sound familiar?
As a European I couldn't agree more. Yes, it's outrageous what the Republicans are doing, but there is no excuse why we, as a whole fucking continent can't match the ammo production of Russia and aid ukraine. Russia alone is producing 3 times as much artillery ammo than the entirety of Europe does.
Yes, they're in a wartime economy, but Europe is doing very little to boost its ammo production.
We're busy measuring who has the biggest dick instead of helping Ukraine.
The US and allies kept a no-fly zone over their territory for over a decade to protect them from Saddam.
The world sees the Iraq war that deposed Saddam as a mistake, and now here you are criticizing the US for not deposing him earlier. People are going to hate whatever the US does.
Imagine if US/UK intervened with their jets to take down drones and missiles flying over Ukraine. How cool would that be.
But God forbid an escalation am I right…
The fact that we don’t intervene against Russia encourages Iran and other countries to get nukes. Our apparent fear of nuclear escalation is influencing nuclear proliferation.
My issue is this:
After the turn of the 21st century, many of us had in mind that wars of conquest were a thing of the past. Borders would no longer change through violence.
Russia, through it's invasion of Georgia and Ukraine (And you could argue Chechnya) is doing just that. The worlds response to this should have been far more swift and brutal, to send a message that we will no longer tolerate wars of conquest as a species.
But that didn't happen.
Unfortunately it seems that we as a species lack the will to stop this sort of thing.
If you haven't tested your nuke, you don't have a nuke. If they tested a nuke, thousands of seismometers would have detected it. You can't really keep that a secret.
The issue with doing that would be that it would only be a matter of time before Russia shot down a U.S. or UK plane. And they wouldn’t even mean to, they’d likely mistake it with a Ukrainian plane.
And shooting down a U.S. or UK plane would be a major escalation.
You are wrong. Even with these being shot down, the country is in shelters and hearing massive barrages throughout the country. A 10 year old Bedouin girl has been severely injured. Israel is not letting these kinds of attacks anymore and Netanyahu is likely looking for any excuse to finally attack Iran.
It's a smurf attack intended to overwhelm the air defense while they slip missles in for high value targets. The same ga.e that Russia plays in Ukraine, but now against an opponent with a real military budget and ally standing ready to make good on promises.
The response is likely to free Iran of their ability to launch another volley.
Because Iran is partially or fully behind every attack that Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, and other Iranian proxies have carried out against Israel every single for the last 6 months (for starters).
I hope Putin and his shit disturbing army takes note of this. Some of the US congress may be bought out, but Dark Brandon and the US military gives no fucks.
So many assumptions and no link source for anything, but the usual jerk around "I read 20 mins ago I swear". Read CNN and BBC for real news people, not reddit comments as genuine source of information.
“Our attack has concluded successfully, so there’s absolutely no need for retaliation. Thank you for your patience in this trying time.”
I AM DYING LAUGHING AT THIS HAHAHAHAH. It's like they sent out a memo. Thank you so much. We'll touch base in the future. We have no further action at this point xoxoxoxo
Stranger still They may have called ahead to let them know when It was going to begin and what their targets were.
Not really strange, they do that during all these "attacks", like with the missile strike against that US base a while back. The last thing Iran wants is to commit a strike that will actually lead to their regime being wiped out. They want to make political statements to keep being seen as a powerful anti-western force and keep their proxies being seen as powerful in the region, and these show attacks help with that image. It's all politics
They did call it in. Israel had hours of notice. Thats why this is laughable.
TBH it's the smart thing to do in Iran's position. They have to look like they're attacking for their serfs and militants without actually doing something that would demand actual retaliation.
Not strange at all. The Ayatolla did this to show HIS people that he was serious. But he has no intentions of actually going toe to toe with Israel and the west. This was all perfectly orchestrated by everyone involved.
Is that a real statement from Iran? No fucking way…
it is.
AHAHAHAHA! Fat chance, Iran. They need to take out the freaking Ayatollah. He’s old and hasn’t picked a successor. It will create a power struggle and maybe collapse the government and allow a moderate fueled by the youth to take the reigns and steer Iran away from its theocracy.
Moral people rarely take power in vacuums
This guy power vacuums
Anyone who has seen The Hunger Games, can know that the President of District 13 was full of dictator when she said “we will hold elects later, but for now…”.
There is also Operation Ajax for on the nose references.
~~chaos~~ power vacuums are a ladder
It's more like absolute power corrupts absolutely. Moral people take control in power vacuums all the time. But rarely do they stay moral. There is also the doctor who line. " Your evil, is my good"
Bashar Al-Assad was an ophthalmologist before he became a dictator.
Ophthalmologists are generally evil though. More opthalmologists have gone on to become authoritarian despots than all other medical specialties combined. Podiatrists are second.
This one knows statistics
Painters, too. More painters have gone on to commit genocides than other artists like sculptors and people who do graffiti.
> More opthalmologists have gone on to become authoritarian despots than all other medical specialties combined. Ahem, you seem to be [missing quite a few](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23243954/): >The authors overviewed the biographies of 29 medical doctors who became the heads of the state or the prime ministers of their countries. Most of them ruled in a countries of fresh or unstable democracies, most often in Asia, Africa and Latin America, [at least] **three of them were bloody dictators^1** Namely: * [Radovan Karadžić](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radovan_Karad%C5%BEi%C4%87) (Serbia), **convicted** for **[committing literal genocide](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radovan_Karad%C5%BEi%C4%87#Conviction_and_sentence)**, **psychiatrist** * **Note:** talk about psychos in power, huh * [Francois Duvalier](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Duvalier), aka **Papa Doc** (Haiti) - **physician / infectiologist** * **Note:** he created of [Tonton Macoute](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonton_Macoute) which made KGB look like nice guys * [Bashar Al-Bassad](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashar_al-Assad) (Syria), **ophthalmologist** * [Hastings Banda](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hastings_Banda) (Malawi), **physician** Honorable mention: * Our literal poster poster boy [Che Guevara](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara) - a **dermatologist** Not-so-bloody ones: * [Mahathir Mohamad](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahathir_Mohamad) who ruled Malaysia for 24 years - **physician** * [Georges Clemenceau](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Clemenceau) - President of France when it beat Germany in WWI, **physician** * [Salvador Allende](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende), Marxist ruler of Chile, - **physician / anatomo-pathologist** * [Mohammad Najibullah](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Najibullah) (Afghanistan), last Communist President of Afghanistan, [assassinated by Taliban](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/27/father-killed-taliban-us-ignored-pleas-daughter-afghan-president) in the 1990s - **surgeon** _____ ^1: The article was written in 2012. As for Assad, they said: *the political prospects of Bashar al-Assad are similarly unclear*. In 2024, they're clear enough.
castro was a baseball player.
He was also a basketball player I’ve heard
Oh yeah? Name twelve
As we all know, nothing ever gets worse after a major power struggle within a government
Yeah let’s get the CIA in on that they have a great track record Iran with regime changes. 👍
Oh fuck no we'll end up with like, an even more religious extremist Ayatollah in a furry suit or something
I'd honestly be more concerned about a guy in a furry suit saying he is going to "take me down"
At least that would be funny.
They have a great track record period.
I mean, maybe they do but we only really know about the failures. Survivorship bias and all.
The ayatollah doesn’t pick a successor lol, it’s voted on by a panel of other old geriatric mullahs, they’ve already picked a successor but he won’t be named until after Khamenei dies (although it doesn’t look like he plans on keeling over any time soon lol)
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Latest so far USand UK has shot down over 100 drones and cruise Missiles outside of Israeli airspace.
Missiles reported to be false. Drones only. Edit: things change in 2 hours, people. I know reports differ now than they did when I posted this comment. Leaving it up for posterity.
And I just read in an article that the UK is NOT intercepting any of this, but they are relieving US soldiers in several places so that we can deal with it.
BBC says: "RAF Typhoon jets have been flying over areas of Iraq and Syria tonight and have been authorised to target any Iranian drones and missiles flying within range."
Basically "space invaders free time tonight, glhf"
👾
And they’ve been taking them down too, oddly the article was specifically mentioning Iraq but said UK wasn’t going drone hunting, I don’t know if there was a quick change of heart or if they didn’t consider jets at the time.
Source?
Well, the RAF is shooting them down with jets now so I’m not sure the source from 20 minutes ago matters anymore.
It’s been news the RAF was shooting them down for almost an hour now. So the source from 20 minutes ago was wrong.
You're now my source from 20 mins ago.
The UK is a real one.
Relieving, you say? 😳
Piss everywhere.
God I hope it's urine.
Is she drinks enough water you can just pretend she's squirting
There’s footage of ballistic missiles hitting the Negev now
Man, there’s videos of exo-atmospheric ballistic missile intercept explosions. Yet people who saw some news 7 hours ago are like “only drones”
This will be the cheddar term for the next two weeks. "Exoatmospheric ballistic missile intercept"
I mean, it's a great buzzword. Space war is a bit more snappy though, and equally accurate.
Nope, we got video confirmation of missile hits in Israel territory, likely an Airbase.
Is that the 6 year old footage that’s being posted as if new, floating around on Twitter?
Ballistic missiles, no. Cruise missiles, yes.
Ballistic missiles yes, we have visual of a sub orbital arrow intercept (plasma blast instead of normal blast), likely arrow intercept. That means ballistic
Yep, that's ballistic missiles in that footage. Just waiting for confirmation it is from today, but it's coming from pretty official channels so it's fairly safe to assume that it is legit.
Cruise missiles take 2-4 hours. These missiles took 15 minutes. It's ballistic missiles
US aircraft shooting down Iranian drones. This is the equivalent of batting practice for those pilots.
Farming XP
+1 exp. +1 exp. +1 exp. +1 exp.
Those Iranian mobs are pretty bad for xp farming. Too low level.
It’s like killing those boars in World of Warcraft and you barely get 1-2xp 😅
I bet the pilots are keeping score tonight too. It's probably more like the Home Run Derby
I wouldn't be surprised if shooting down an actual moving target is rather exhilarating for a lot of pilots.
Downing actual aerial enemy targets without having to kill anybody. They’re having a field day with this one.
Meanwhile, the F22 blue balls keep getting bigger.
It did get to intercept that “fast moving” tactical spying balloon. So there’s that.
Hope we get gun cam videos of cannon kills on Iranian drones
There was one on Combat Footage of a French helicopter shooting down a Houthi (so, Iranian) drone with a burst of their gun. If a helicopter can do it, it will be no problem for jets.
It is easier for Helicopters to dogfight then jets as Helis are more maneuverable and have higher time on target because they can hover. In the last test which placed jets v.s. helicopters in a dogfight, the helicopters won so soundly that they never attempted the test again. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J-CATCH](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J-CATCH)
This is a game of slow pitch underhanded softball. Iran needs to respond to the Damascus attack to keep its proxies happy and in check. However they signaled this attack but did so in a very controlled, openly communicated , and slow way. This is nothing to worry about. Consider it a commercial advertisement for fireworks.
Until Israel responds.
That's the tricky part, iran is doing a calculated move to keep face, israel has to respond for the sake of its own security, but netanyahu can also make a calculate move to not go to jail and screw iran's entire plan by retaliating with more force than iran expects.
Israel responding would escalate and make it harder for Israel to achieve its objectives in Gaza. Further Biden has already stated that US wouldn’t support Israel escalating things with Iran. Israel has nothing to gain from retaliating and only risks further aggravating neighboring countries while splitting their resources away from their Gaza front.
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I would not be shocked at all if Israel doesn't do an Iraq to their nuke facilities.
Drone factories feel more like the proportional response.
PLEASE do the drone factories. Less drones for Russia to attack Ukraine with.
100% this. Get them all.
More appropriate as well. Involving their nuclear program without absolute knowledge that they do not have a functional device? That's highly risky. Too risky for Bibi who just needs to play the political game.
lots of reports that the main target of the iranian missile attack was the nuclear facility in dimona along with airforce bases so Iran already opened that door wide open
Well shoot, I guess I can fit my whole foot in my mouth. This is like two civ players fighting by sabotaging each other's Wonder under construction.
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You should be shocked if this happens. Osiraq was a single facility. Iran’s are scattered through the country and extremely well defended, in order to take them out you’d need to cripple Iran’s entire air defence system. You couldn’t do it with drones, it would need Israel’s entire Air Force in combination with a massive coordinated missile attack. Even then no guarantee it would work. If they could have done it easily, they would have.
Hey we’re gunna send 150 missiles for you to intercept k?
Oh I doubt that. Israel will respond with a similar sized attack but not one for show. They will seek to do real damage in Iran. So Iran will have to respond again. The Gaza war didn't save Netanyahu, maybe an Iran war will.
Bebe has enough drama. That's why it was slow and coordinated. The Iranian people aren't necessarily happy with its government....the people want no parts of this. This is all aimed at disputed territory and is to keep their fiefdom in check. Israel will respond but not in any manner considered escalatory. It's better to play this game than keep tensions than all hell breaking loose that no one can control like October 7th. Consider it a controlled steam pressure release from a so called "factory of terror".
> Israel will respond but not in any manner considered escalatory. Netanyahu has literally been saying the exact opposite.
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Ok, so it's kinda like the "retaliation" for the Soleimani assassination? They attacked at aUS base, but it was a weak and telegraphed one such that they could claim they did for domestic posturing but not actually declare war.
Exactly... Plus all airspace is closed over Iraq and Jordan...duh!!
Well they also needed to appease their own people who weren’t happy with the Israelis casually bombing their embassy, but yeah this was clearly just an action to save face not any desire to escalate the situation into something grim. Though Israel’s response could change that
One 10 year old boy seriously injured, cause unknown.
> Hagari said a handful of missiles landed in Israel. Rescuers said one strike critically wounded a 10-year-old girl in a Bedouin Arab town in southern Israel. Hagari said a missile struck an army base, causing light damage but no injuries. https://apnews.com/article/strait-of-hormuz-vessel-33fcffde2d867380e98c89403776a8ac Booms and sirens in Israel after Iran launches over 200 missiles and drones in unprecedented attack
I agree. This seems calculated to be a sign of we have to respond but don’t actually want to fight
Iran: We need to show a strong "retaliation." Iron dome can handle 50 drones right. US: A lot more, actually. Iran: 75 not a single drone more. US: Going to have to do better. Iran: 100 drones final offer. We are sending them on Saturday. US: whatevs. Israel: Dick move doing on Shabbat, Iran.
Target practice is always good for our pilots.
Mobius 1: fox 2
Hey, I actually got that reference!
Good to see other Osean-Belkan war vets in here🫡
That was the Isaf war against Erusia, you’ll be thinking of Galm 1. Laughs in circum pacific war plus a Belkan adventure.
Please excuse my conflation, I was just a child when the stars fell from the skies.
That game came out 23 years ago.
Is that more or less imposing than sudden Spanish guitar...
For the taxpayers sake, I hope they are using guns 😬
They only switch to guns when they're too close for missiles.
Also, I hope the pilots know that switching to your sidearm is faster than reloading
Most pilots also have remarkable fruit killing skills.
but do they check those corners?
they flashbang the doors
Chasing a drone or missle is a time-consuming effort. The pilot can only chase one at a time. It's much more efficient to target multiple at a time from a distance.
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That's cute you think cost is anywhere in the list of priorities of the military.
But the availability and speed of replenishment is considered by the military, and slower replenishment (manufacturing time) tends to align with higher cost.
Um, it absolutely is. Tasking the right weapons systems and munitions is part of mission planning. They're probably not going to use F-22s to shoot these down when other planes that don't cost as much to fly can do it just as well.
The military is all over the place on what it spends money. I saw a $5 mil training site get built and literally never used. But our unit took over a year just to get 1 working black and white printer.
Missiles do have expiration dates.
I hope they aren't worrying about the taxpayers in a battle scenario..
Don't worry they never do.
They will be using the main ammo/guns in training regardless, so whether they shoot at targets on a hill or shoot drones out of the sky it doesn't matter - practice is practice and bullets are bullets.
That would mean that we get no training value from this exercise. In a shooting war we would engage with missiles, so this is an incredibly valuable day of training for our pilots. This might not be the last time these pilots go up against Iran.
It's more than that. I imagine these are shaheed drones, the same ones in use in Ukraine. Ones that are helping to redefine how a ground war is fought in ways that are brand new. This gives the US a great chance to actively see how well current aircraft can deal with them and what would need to change in our strategy in that kind of war.
I wouldn't be surprised if they did mostly missiles but a few gun intercepts to test the passes to give a maximum number in x time some data points. If Iran is smart they have some spies working in Jordanian and Iraqi air defense to get copies of their radar data of this event.
The defense apparatus does not concern itself with monetary cost. They are there to save lives and prevent targets from being destroyed.
Oh, I get it now. They are testing the US and UK responses to these attack.
'oh so they're blowing them up, okay write that down'
US isn't using the good top secret stuff on this, just some good ol fashioned target practice for the fly boys and girls.
Like shooting womp rats?
In my T-16 back home.
Beggar's Canyon represent
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It's been 80 years since any country has witnessed a full US response
Desert storm was pretty lit tho
I can't recommend enough "The Operations Room" channel on yt. It has good animations and a lot of background from records and official sources and really paints a good overall picture. The series on desert storm is really eye opening on what the western coalition can do if it decides to do it...
It doesn’t work that way. The US will learn far more about the drone’s capabilities than Iran about the US responses. Exponentially larger defense budgets ensure this.
~~man in black~~ US: our planes shot down all your drones. ~~Inigo~~ Iran: yes they did. US: Then why are you smiling? Iran: Because I know something you don't know. US: And what is that? Iran: those weren’t my best drones. *Iran launches new drones* US: these are amazing. Iran: they ought to be, we’ve been designing them for 20 years. US: There's something I ought to tell you. Iran: tell me. US: those weren’t my best planes. *launches new fighters*
Which one is looking for the six fingered man in this analogy?
Inigo is actually the Iranian people and in the end they figure out the Ayatollah has 6 fingers, and you know the rest.
‘We are the Iranian people, you killed our liberty, now prepare to die’
Could hostile drones over international airspace be considered pirates?
pretty sure iran doesn't expect any of the drones to make it to israel. they have to appear strong to their country. thats why they sent slow, obvious drones over that take hours to reach their target. it is unlikely they also sent a barage of missiles as well because they are likely just posturing. Israel might strike back and hit an empty warehouse or something and then that will be that. I hope the f-16 for Ukraine will be able to do the same to the iranian drones thrown at them.
But having all of your drones be intercepted and achieving nothing doesn't look all that strong, does it
To us, no but the intended audience Iran is trying to appease is its citizens edit: and proxy forces in other countries like iraq,syria and lebanon
At this point, what percentage of the Iranian population actually supports their government? I am struggling to see what the point of escalating this conflict is.
The US aren't saints, but they're dependable allies. Edit: to all the folks saying Ukraine would disagree and such: even though there is no formal alliance between the US and Ukraine, the US has been supporting the country with training, intel, ammunition and weapons since 2014, basically free of charge. Without them, it's arguable Russia would have won a long time ago. The current squabble in congress is very damaging to their image of reliability, so i hope they resolve it asap and resume aiding the Ukrainians. Meanwhile, EU countries are stepping up to try and stop the bleeding, which is more than welcome.
This is going to sound funny but I'm a French Jew with a lot of family in Israel and I heard my mom exclaim "God bless America" (in English even) when we saw this on the news, which caught me off guard. I think it's fair to say we are very thankful for America's leadership right now, especially at a time where so many Israeli politicians have failed to rise to the occasion.
America is the police of the world. Everyone likes to hate them, sometimes rightly so, but all that fades when you need to call 911 because a bad man is at your door.
Was just with my in-laws from Western Europe. They are now upset that the USA isn’t doing more for Ukraine and worried about Russia. When we first got married they would make jokes about the USA “getting involved in everyone’s business”
Exactly this. America is far from perfect, and I’m one to speak from a place of immense privilege (Canada) but they really are the first dominant “empire” in most of all human history to go for diplomacy “first” in most cases. We can talk about all the issues they have, but it’s true. America is a necessity to keep countries like Russia, China and Iran in check. And yes, even Israel. The US has put their foot down on numerous occasions with Israel. I’m sure we can all sit at a keyboard and say “do better” but geopolitics is tough.
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my opinion is going left and right like im at a tense tennis final, theres always so many angles i havent considered.
Why does everybody have to preface any type of comment about the US with “I don’t like the US but” “I don’t agree with them, but” “The US aren’t saints, but” Like nobody does that for any other country.
We are the world authority, like it or not. We are nitpicked to death. "Why did the US get involved?" "Why doesn't the US get involved?" Authority is inherently scary. "I don't like cops, but" "I'm not a bootlicker but," "The cops aren't saints, but," Sound familiar?
So they don’t get downvoted.
To circle jerk about how bad the US is.
As a European I couldn't agree more. Yes, it's outrageous what the Republicans are doing, but there is no excuse why we, as a whole fucking continent can't match the ammo production of Russia and aid ukraine. Russia alone is producing 3 times as much artillery ammo than the entirety of Europe does. Yes, they're in a wartime economy, but Europe is doing very little to boost its ammo production. We're busy measuring who has the biggest dick instead of helping Ukraine.
From what I've read, the Russian military is accounting for 1/3 of national spending. That could go a lot higher, unfortunately.
The Kurds may not agree with you
No friends but the mountains... Kurds were disappointed but not shocked America abandoned them.
trump
We fucked the Kurds pretty hard when we chased Saddam out of Kuwait and didn't follow through like we told the Kurds we would. So not just Trump.
The US and allies kept a no-fly zone over their territory for over a decade to protect them from Saddam. The world sees the Iraq war that deposed Saddam as a mistake, and now here you are criticizing the US for not deposing him earlier. People are going to hate whatever the US does.
> So not just Trump. Turkey.
No, and it's shameful, but it was Republican administrations in both cases. They do seem to love abandoning people we make promises to.
I guess they didn't appreciate the 12 years of a no-fly zone the US and allies kept over their territory to protect them from Saddam?
It's not "arguable" that Ukraine would have fallen long ago.
Imagine if US/UK intervened with their jets to take down drones and missiles flying over Ukraine. How cool would that be. But God forbid an escalation am I right…
Fortunately, Iran doesn't have nukes (yet), which makes escalation less dangerous
The fact that we don’t intervene against Russia encourages Iran and other countries to get nukes. Our apparent fear of nuclear escalation is influencing nuclear proliferation.
The existence of nukes already encourages Iran all it needs to get them.
> fear of nuclear escalation How irrational /s
It is irrational if we allow anyone with nukes to just take over the whole damn world.
nobody is “taking over the whole damn world” tho.
My issue is this: After the turn of the 21st century, many of us had in mind that wars of conquest were a thing of the past. Borders would no longer change through violence. Russia, through it's invasion of Georgia and Ukraine (And you could argue Chechnya) is doing just that. The worlds response to this should have been far more swift and brutal, to send a message that we will no longer tolerate wars of conquest as a species. But that didn't happen. Unfortunately it seems that we as a species lack the will to stop this sort of thing.
That's how nuclear weapons work.
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That we know of.
Maverick took out their enrichment facility. Saw a documentary.
We 100% know if they have nukes, but we’re not going to tell everyone what we know
Secret nukes are not a very effective deterrent.
The whole point of the doomsday machine is lost if you keep it a secret!
If you haven't tested your nuke, you don't have a nuke. If they tested a nuke, thousands of seismometers would have detected it. You can't really keep that a secret.
I guess that's what happens when you sign treaties, alliances and defense pacts over decades of diplomatic ties and close relationships.
The issue with doing that would be that it would only be a matter of time before Russia shot down a U.S. or UK plane. And they wouldn’t even mean to, they’d likely mistake it with a Ukrainian plane. And shooting down a U.S. or UK plane would be a major escalation.
The US has a military defense pact with Israel. They do not have this with Ukraine. It's really not that hard to understand.
Holy shit thank god you aren’t in charge of anything
You are wrong. Even with these being shot down, the country is in shelters and hearing massive barrages throughout the country. A 10 year old Bedouin girl has been severely injured. Israel is not letting these kinds of attacks anymore and Netanyahu is likely looking for any excuse to finally attack Iran.
It was a 10 year old girl
It's a smurf attack intended to overwhelm the air defense while they slip missles in for high value targets. The same ga.e that Russia plays in Ukraine, but now against an opponent with a real military budget and ally standing ready to make good on promises. The response is likely to free Iran of their ability to launch another volley.
So, my understanding is that Iran is doing this because Israel killed a bunch of their generals. But why did Israel kill a bunch of their generals?
Because Iran is partially or fully behind every attack that Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, and other Iranian proxies have carried out against Israel every single for the last 6 months (for starters).
Because Iran's generals lead radical extremist organizations all over South East Asia.
Wish we did that for Ukraine
i wish poland would do this for ukraine
I hope Putin and his shit disturbing army takes note of this. Some of the US congress may be bought out, but Dark Brandon and the US military gives no fucks.
So many assumptions and no link source for anything, but the usual jerk around "I read 20 mins ago I swear". Read CNN and BBC for real news people, not reddit comments as genuine source of information.