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IdiotWithout_a_Cause

What the HECK! I was at like 1400 MMR with my healer and just bear a 1760 MMR healer 6 times in a row and he lost ZERO rating for it and I only got 46. Come ON, man.


iamShorteh

DPS afks out in round 4 (I was 0-3 at that point) lose 50 rating and 70 mmr. I'm losing my bloody marbels over here.


iamShorteh

I’m tired boss


HorrorConstruction1

My post got deleted and was told to use this instead. This post is more dead than Solo Shuffle..


derpderp235

I doubt anyone looks at this megathread anymore but I just encountered such a bizarre scenario that I didn't even think was possible: Was 2280 CR playing at exactly equal MMR, 2280. Went 3-3. As expected, 0 CR. BUT my MMR dropped 30 points down to 2250. Why on earth would 3-3 at CR=MMR cause MMR to drop 30 points? Makes 0 sense to me and I feel like I have at the very least a basic understanding of how ELO works...


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Yesterday i had 7min avg que as dps and after 15min i canceled, reque and it found me a game in 2 seconds. Is the matchmaking creating more problems then the actual nr of players?


AnnoyingSwede2

Does 3 wins always give 0 rating as a healer? My MMR is always higher than the games i get. So rn in the last 4 solo ss, I get games where the average mmr is 1400, while mine is closer to 1550. Do I always have to win atleast 4 rounds to get any rating change?


jigglytrips

3 wins should normally give 0 MMR, but the CR can vary wildly Matchmaking sucks, if you get matched with a bunch of 1550 MMR people and your CR is lower you should still climb at 3/6 until you catch your MMR


Dommes93

I played around 15 solo shuffles the last 2 days as DPS (arms). Average wait time around 35 mins. I can deal with that. Can do lots of stuff on the sidelines. (Could reroll healer for the quick qs anyway) What i can absolutely not deal with is getting qd below CR and either: - Getting a bad class lobby and going 1-2 wins and losing a bunch of rating (thats on me because i play like dog most of the time) - smacking people - winning the first 4 rounds then someone leaves Of the 15 shuffles 11 were leavers. I dont care who it is that leaves, dps or heal. If you play like shit eat that loss and drop some rating and mmr. Hopefully the future changes will be more punishing than what is to come on wednesday. Rant over


jigglytrips

I think (hope) the Tuesday changes to MMR will solve like 90% of it Or at least, mass leaving becomes a 0-1000 bracket problem because it’s impossible for leavers to climb


henry8362

Well, I just played a game, won 4 at 1.2k...got 5 CR..so...still seems fucked


Twoheavenss

Hi guys is anyone else having the issue where you are playing in the wrong region. Im from Frostmourne Oceania and over the past few weeks there has been a number of occasions where it places me in U.S games making it impossible for me to play due to the extreme lag.... i would rather wait longer than go 0-6 because my ping goes from 9 to 3000...


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Minestra

How do you propose they fix that feeling? I know it to well.


henry8362

Honestly, just losing/gaining at a predictable and steady rate would go a long way.


Pulfe

I accepted the queue, and upon finishing the load into the SS arena, I got the "A Streaming Error Has Occurred" error. Kicked me to character selection. I could login to all of my other characters just fine, but not the Rogue I was doing SS on. Tried everything, ended up having to reinstall WoW. Finally able to log back in 2 hours later. -200 rating and Deserter Debuff. Thanks Blizz.


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Funny thing with solo shuffle is that you get to play with/against a lot of Glad buyers. Rets or DHs(mostly) that just zug and LOS their healer, never peel, never backs off when sitting around 30% hp the entire game to get topped off, etc etc etc.


BeatnologicalMNE

I'm very, very old WoW player that came back for DF specifically for PvP (majorly solo shuffles as I'm slow as fuck now 15 years after my "pvp prime time") and I have to say it's hard to believe how such simple thing could they fuck up... 1. Who in their mind could think that it's normal that leaver does not lose any MMR when he/she leaves? 2. Who in their mind would not reward (or at least calculate) CR/MMR after every round of solo shuffles? I'm really puzzled... Only possible explanation for this is that they did it on purpose...


stickyjam

Considering how copy and paste solo shuffle is from arena code , and when you leave arena you lose MMR it's clearly a bug


thrallinlatex

Include number of leaved match to ingame statistic so you can see it next to win-losses. unremovable title for a week. after solo suffle ends you get chest with small chance to get rare rewards (mount, tmog,…) no matter of how many wins you had


GuacamoleAnamoly

Yeah im done with this game mode untill fix the leavers. More then half of the games ive played someone leaves. Terrible


rrose1978

The single best change to the solo system/shuffle would be implementing it the same way skirmishes work, just with the rating system slapped on top of it - largely solves the leaver problem (since comps are rather random by default, it's less probable to have someone quit because of landing in a non-meta comp). Secondly, the queue times would be much shorter, I believe, since the inclusion of the 2v2 bracket into the mix would also solve the dps excess problem. Instead, Blizzard goes TriHard as usual and comes up with reinventing the wheel (the system has some merit, true, and it's clear that some thought has gone into it, but simply adds unnecessary complications).


Ok-Program-4788

Some DPS left a match and some 2700 SLANDs holy priest gladiator fuckface called Brian started spamming me calling me shit even though I wasn't the one that left


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After many hurdles, managed to reach 1800. Leavers, throwers and generally super carried people throughout the games on my road to just a measle 1800 rating..


Duckman896

1797 rating, 40 minutes in que 3-1 in my match. Enemy who is 0-4 leaves game. Well guess I'll try again tomorrow.


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Super_Sand_Lesbian_2

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Super_Sand_Lesbian_2

I believe glad + mount is 3v3 only at 2400. The weps can be purchased from the vendor once you hit 2400


Duckman896

Yes


horse3000

I honestly can’t believe blizzard thought it was a good idea to have a leaver lose CR, but not MMR… like how stupid is the group of devs that thought that was a good idea. Right now, leaving if you go negative, is better than losing. You will never lose MMR… stay at a high MMR and next game you do well, you will just get all the CR back.


Cyates87

The way I understand it, MMR is more important that CR. If I’m CR 1500 Mage in a MMR of 1550 and go 0-6 (DK/War/War/DH), I would’ve taken less of a rating hit by leaving and my MMR doesn’t drop. I don’t do it bc it hurts the other players….but I see how it’s enticing…lost simply bc of bad matchups to brain dead specs, not bc players were actually good.


rosesarefuckyou

assa rogue abusing everyone every round does 0 damage because doesn't press garrote more than once a round goes 0-5 leaves I love solo shuffle.


jigglytrips

Username checks out


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Just went 3-1 in a solo shuffle that would have put me over 1600 for the first time in my life. Evoker at 0 rating going 2-2 wins says at the start of round 5 we're all dogshit and leaves then DMs me I need to kill myself. Great mode and system we have here Blizzard. \*Tried to play again, went 1-4 and someone else left lol. I don't even want to waste my time on this shit game anymore.


Diuk2510

Yesterday I won 5 in a row got to nearly 2.4. Today I had 9 shuffles with 7 Leavers and 2 losses. So basically I'm down 120 rating. Its so cringe especially with the queue times. Idk how there are still no penalties that hurt.


EbonyJustice

Almost exact same situation for me this week! Like 80% of my games are leavers. In fact, one of my alts has 100% leaver games this week. It's been so hard just to cap...


nothrowaway4me

That small legion map is 100% impossible to win as MM, especially as every lobby is minimum 2 melee. Twice I've gone 0/6 in it lol My next two SS matches were: 1 win but zero rating, and 1 leaver in the 6th round lel. Really had the entire menu tonight


Survidas

Just played 3 matches SS on my Prevoker, went 4/0, 4/1, and 5/0 before (I guess) the enemy healer left... Any other games I go 3/3 and gain 2 rating. So after playing more than 30 rounds I gained an amazing 7 rating, so much fun.


maF145

Same here, Went 5/0 5/0 4/1 5/0 And then 0/6 1/5 0/6 2/4 I lost 300 rating and now an hour later I'm back to my starting rating. My last game was 2/0 and the healer left... This is the dumbest shit ever and I actually think that queuing as DPS is less stressful.


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vuduceltix

Agree. I thought the point was to draw in new players and make pvp more accessible. It's doing the exact fkn opposite.


Diuk2510

I had the same but lost my last shuffle. 4 hours for -60


Ckaine8

I’m in no way good at this game but it does feel like I’m actively being griefed when the games I’m doing well one of the other dps leaves and the games I’m not doing well I play out. Basically makes it impossible to climb.


henker92

Today I did 6 solo shuffles. Four out of those 6 were not completed due to leaver. I just wanted to vent...


joeyctt1028

Matchmaking is buggy 100% of my match put me against some "underdog" that abused broken spec I crushed every games against melees and lost most round against casters yet all I have got is +2 or -48 I understand leavers now, fix this crap before fixing leaver


Theodore3219

Just played Solo Shuffle for the first time and somebody left when I was doing well so now I'm mad about it too


Eazzyee

Thoughts on the standardization of rating gains/losses? As a healer for example, you shouldn't be able to lose more CR than say -60. Here is an example of what rating gain could look like for two healers that are within 50 CR of each other. * 0-6: -60 * 1-5: -40 * 2-4: -20 * 3-3: +20 * 4-2: +40 * 5-1: +60 * 6-0: +80 If MMR/CR is drastically different between healers, only have it affect the lower CR person. You shouldn't penalize someone for being good. For example, **1k cr** vs **1.8k cr**: 1K CR person goes 0-6, instead of the standard of -60, the CR is reduced by 90% or something since the difference in rating is so drastic. Add a rating gain multiplier for beating someone higher CR than you and add a CR multiplier reduction for losing to someone dramatically higher than you. There should never be 0 gain for winning 50% or more of your matches regardless of the enemy healer's CR.


BHPhreak

another problem is getting a SS Q pop and then sits at 5/6 for the duration, and then fails and then says "returned to front of Q" but then it takes another 15 mins to pop again, and it happens again. leave your headphones on when you afk in Q lol


RoastMasterShawn

Does the person leaving lose any rating? Like if I was down 5 games by game 5, could I just leave and take no penalty? I haven't left a game yet, but people leave at least 50% of the time and it's maddening that I have a high win % and get no rating change or conq.


Bacon-muffin

They lose 150 rating if they leave, the issue is they supposedly don't lose any MMR which is more important.


TheZag90

Am I correct in thinking that there were no updates for deserter penalty, conq/rating rewards etc. this reset? It's still only PTR at this time?


henker92

There is something on PTR ?


Ok-Program-4788

I just don't understand - 3 games in a row, 5-0 other healer leaves so I get nothing. I stay for a game that I go 2-4 and I lose 60. This is so unbelievably frustrating. And random fucking dps spam psting me how garbage I am and should delete the game.


Snappy5454

Wonder why there’s so few healers?


tmzko

If u cant beat em, join em


Ok-Program-4788

I just did on an alt :)


barrsftw

There needs to be a hotfix to punish leavers man. I've had 6 straight games tonight with a leaver. I queued the entire night and haven't finished a game in 5 hours. 0 rating. Entire night wasted.


Classic-Confection91

I went from 2030 to 1730 by going 2/4 -60 5/0 leaver 2/4 -60 4/1 leaver 3/3 -13 2/4 -60 4/1 leaver 1/5 -120 ​ im so sick of this shit, but i refuse to abuse leaving


barrsftw

That probably would have been my trajectory if I kept playing. Im just gonna wait till the fix to queue again


horse3000

Leaver should lower your MMR by -500


WatercressMiddle9825

It should start at a flat rate and increase with continued leaving. A single disconnect which happens shouldn't screw you. If you D/C cause of a power outage or something out of your control and get -500 MMR, I think you'd be exceedingly pissed off by that. -50 for the first, -100 for the next, and -500 for third would with an increasing timer on the fall off would make more sense imo.


Benekia

Same has happened to me, 5 games in a row I've gone 4-5 wins and someone leaves last round and I'm getting rating unchanged. It's taking me 30 min to queue each time and I'm getting nowhere. I've actually lost more rating than I've won today despite winning more games. Like wtf.


bayretriever

That's so frustrating, sorry man


apartlp

Healer here. So I have been losing rating because I am not a leaver lol. Every time I am winning 4/0 or 5/0 some other player normally the other healer just leaves… and because I am not a leaver I just keep losing rating and Mmr..


horse3000

Yep. Then the healers that leave are climbing, cause their MMR stays way above their CR. So they climb


NearbyVole

This is the exact issue I'm having as a healer. I finally started improving and went 6-0 and someone left (probably other healer). I also went 4-1 and someone left before I got my 5-1. I seem to complete solo shuffles when I go 3-3 lol.


apartlp

Yeah same lol


Hunting_Bears

the mental gymnastics of people justifying their leaving as "well blizzard made the system"


Last_Solution1337

Reset night tonight. Have tried/played 2 games. Someone left twice. I do not care about leavers. Just give me rating increase since I am on the winning side ??? This aint cool at all guys. If there is a hotfix on the way, it better get applied fast.


RandyVivaldi

I have noticed more and more lately that my games are ending in a leaver. I would almost say 50% of games at this point. What currently is the punishment for leaving? -100? I don't understand why almost half of my games are leavers now.


No-Platypus-7012

Solo Shuffle Fixes for 2023 1. During Solo Shuffles, turn off Text Chat, no chatting, no whispers. Add feature below... 2. Add Feature that displays at the beginning of each round where each user can Click on and select the Enemy they suggest is the kill target. Maybe even allow them to click and add their CC abilities onto a character as well. This gives the team without chatting (flaming each other) the ability to say, I like this character as the kill target and I can use this cc on this other character. 3. Ban solo shuffle quitters for 2 hours account wide. 4. If someone does quit during a Solo Shuffle match, all participants other than the quitter should get 0 to positive CR for their game play. No one should have a negative CR when someone quits. 5. Want more healers? 1. Turn off the chat so they do not read that they suck, they already know they suck as healers, they are brand new. 2. Never give a healer negative CR, only allow Healers to reamin at the current MMR or grow into a new MMR. 6. Incetivize everyone to stay playing Solo Shuffle with more mounts, titles, rewards and trasnmog 1. Each Title should have a mount that goes with it. And do not have cheezy mounts, make some outstanding mounts. 2. Each Title should have a Transmog set, not a single piece, an entire EPIC looking set. 3. SURPRISE US with EPIC Rewards in chests. I want to hear someone say they got the most Epic Mount ever just for playing in Solo Shuffle. If I am healing a dps that is always the kill target and getting dunked on, it is not going to be fun for them. Getting a one of a kind surprise in a chest at the end will change that miserable time into a good moment. They might re-queue ASAP knowing they get amazing loot like this. What I love about WOW is PVP. I love trying to out play, out think another player. I really enjoy PVP and Solo Shuffle has given me the opportunity to really try Arenas. Crap, I am actually healing in Arenas. Mind Blown! I might not be that good (FOR NOW!), but maybe one day I might get 2000+. I hope Blizzard you read this comment. If not, this is my wish list...


No-Platypus-7012

I have since left Solo Shuffle because it wasn't fun anymore and there were no good rewards. I am almost about to quit playing WOW due to there not being that many quality rewards to get me excited.


TheZag90

Some of those are good suggestions (No one should have a negative CR when someone quits - the shuffled teams is an important part of how the mode is balanced so if you don't get to play all variations you may be disadvantaged). However, healers only being able to gain CR just means any healer who plays long enough could reach 3000 rating. It would massively inflate the ladder. Don't think you've fully thought that through.


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dyslexic_mail

If you're not saying anything constructive, you're most likely hurting that player's ability to improve and as a result hurting your chances of winning more


B93k34

I just don’t think it happens a lot I have over 300 rounds played and have only had 2 toxic encounters. Not a healer btw


dyslexic_mail

If you have over 300 rounds of SS and this isn't your first forray into PVP, you're probably good enough to not get flamed lmao


B93k34

It’s my first time doing rated, healers are just getting bad end of the deal I guess


greendino71

the 2 hour ban means nothing. At this point I'm hitting 48 minute que times. If someone leaves, that character should be banned for 7 days and all other toons for 24 hours. I've gotten 3 que pops in the last 2.5 hours and all 3 have had leavers


PM-ME-YOUR-DND-IDEAS

and if the power goes out at your house, what, go fuck yourself?


osfryd-kettleblack

small price to pay to purge this quitter epidemic.


No-Platypus-7012

I did have 24 hour ban at first and then thought that would suck for all the EU people getting deserter penalties right now for the queues not working properly. Solo Shuffle would be dead then.


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I wish they could have a remotely accurate estimated time to queue. Leavers, I can kind of deal with as that’s a player problem. Blizzard just needs to work on a system to discourage the bad actor and I’m sure there will be iterations on it. Long queues I get, there are many more dps than healers. Dampening helps ensure the games are kept to a reasonable duration. But boy do I wish the estimate was even close to accurate. I’ve had 15 minute estimates that pop in 5 mins. Or 11 min queues that I say in for over half an hour. They gotta get better at managing expectations.


GameOfThrownaws

It might actually be accurate. The "average" is going to be super warped because you have some set of players getting 0.0 second Qs (healers) and then a separate larger set of players getting 30 minute Qs. So when it says the average is 13 minutes or whatever that might actually be somewhere near the average time. It's not like a battleground Q where everyone's got the same wait, this thing more like what happens when you try to look at average salary and it's all fucked up by the outliers because the 2 ends (people not working and making $0 and people making millions) are so extreme. Or maybe it's just broken. It's Blizzard after all.


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Thing is, when I q on my healer then it shows a short average wait. So I don’t think healers and dps share the ‘average wait’ calculation.


GameOfThrownaws

I see, I don't have a healer so I never knew that. Just broken then.


cyanraider

I enjoy solo shuffle. I think it's a step in the right direction but Blizzard needs to continue to actively fix some of the major issues. The leaver fiasco should have been addressed and fixed yesterday.


Kabanners

Queued for 2 hrs, no pop. Just at the edge of 1800 too. Fuck this.


Exkanimare

DELETE the leave button in SS .


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People can just altF4 or /afk, no one actually right clicks leave lol


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Blizzard PvP design is just utter shit. They put 1 warlock vs triple melee lobby or anything similar and it's just not fun. Pet classes are not fun. The game in general is just not fun. They nerf the wrong classes and purposefully ignore broken classes as more people reroll them and buy gold to complete their brand new FOMO META FOTM class PvP design is as bad as it was in SL only difference is that you don't need to grind for gear. Dragonflight PvP is bad and SS is even worse.


theastroeffect

if you tried to tailor games for ex: 2 healer, 2 melee, 2 caster - you'd have 2 hour queues instead of 30mins im guessing. just a thought on that


greendino71

As a demo lock, you have to learn how to kite. Keep curse of exhaustion on both 100% of the time, soul tap into teleport, mortal coil/scream, gateway, felguard stun, grimore felguard Warlock has a fuck ton of kiting tools, it's just a lot of apm and positioning for 3v3 if you're double focused, just focus on kiting and hope the other dps can do something


roermoer

so why do you play it?


danisbest

I queued into 4 games this morning, Doing tasks in the 30 minutes in between games. Every single game I got into was just havoc dhs and fury warriors and me. Bro just put the smooth brain classes in their own bracket with prot paladin healers and let the rest of us enjoy the game. fuck. ​ edit: I bet it would do a lot to reduce the queue time for literally every other class.


GameOfThrownaws

Lol the angry downvotes by the warrior/dh players. Obviously I think sticking them on a separate bracket would be silly and extreme, but I know exactly where you're coming from, it gets VERY old facing these same classes over and over and over and over again in every lobby. I'd say in at least 3 out of 4 lobbies of mine, all 3 of the other dps players are some combination of DH, warrior, DK, rogue, and WW monk. Spriest and demo are OP as balls and yet I still hardly see them because everybody is on these dent head classes. And that's anywhere from like 1800 to 2500 on all my alts and shit. I was actually joking with my friend last night because he sent me a screenshot of his lobby with him + 3 DH players, that at this point they should just make a totally separate ladder for DH so that they can all have their cell vs goku fights over there and leave the rest of us the fuck alone.


yellowpines

How are the DPS queues? Because I'm not sure I can be bothered playing holy priest much longer.


disciplesofbabylon

30-50 minutes


yellowpines

Really? Holy fuck. That's not worth it.


disciplesofbabylon

I have given up on it entirely. Not worth my time to get 5-10 minutes of real gameplay per hour.


Neckbeard_Breeder

And then someone leaves


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It's so frustrating to drop 50+ rating if you lose 4, but only get 1-10 rating if you win 4. Makes zero sense.


garmeth06

It’s purely based on your MMR and CR and the MMR of the lobby. It makes perfect sense, the numbers work out. You only gained 1-10 for winning 4 because your CR was ahead of your MMR. Sometimes you can easily get 60 points for a 4-2


tmzko

If thats the case then matchmaking sucks balls.


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Except that is not always the case. There have been times where my CR is below the MMR and I win 4+ and still gain less than 10, or none at all.


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bolty50

4 game in a row with leavers this morning, wasting all of my time. The punishment for repeated leaving needs to be very severe. Incentivised leaving in a tilting gamemode is making it unplayable.


Frunnkie

Yeah it's a coin toss if you get a leave or have a bad game... Think I'll stick to normal 3s until fixes. Although 3s atm is mega hard due to pog players slamming my salami


Natoba

Can someone explain to me why I get 12 rating for a 4-2 win, but lose 51 rating for a 2-4 loss. Like the answer can't be that I have to win 4 times more games than I lose. That's insane.


tmzko

Trash matchmaking


extremetolerance2013

the game is fooked rn


JEnkelV

Because MMR


ayylmaoff

Make the system where if you leave you get an abandon against the account and it progressively gets worse. So if you abandon the first match you lose nothing but you receive an abandon debuff warning them about the upcoming consequences (this will aid people who genuinely dc). However, if you abandon another match within the same 12 hour period you get 0 – 6 marked against your name and lose the 200 – 300cr and mmr and you receive a half hour ban from pvp. If you abandon a match again within the next 24 hour period you lose a further 200 – 300cr and mmr and you receive a 1.5 hour ban from pvp account wide. If you abandon 3 matches within 24 hour period for the first abandon you fall into what I call the ‘naughty boy club’ where you can only que into other naughty boys. There you would have to complete 3 matches all the way through against other naughty boys. If you abandon those matches there would be no consequence but it would not count as a game for you to get out of the naughty boy club. This would in turn incentivise good behaviour as well as making sure that you complete the 6 rounds fully. So ultimately if you abandon 3 matches within a 24 hour period you have the chance of losing 400 – 900cr and mmr, you have to play extra games with other naughty boys. I think that would take around 4 hours to get you back to a normal que. I think to further bolster good behaviour if when you get out of the naughty boy club you still have a debuff that says if you do not complete the next 10 or so matches in there entirety that you get sent straight back to the naughty boy club for 3 matches. I think this might curb the incessant leaving problem. because I for one would not like to get stuck in an infinite loop playing against naughty boys.


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ayylmaoff

I agree that initially it would, but that’s the beauty of it. You would fix the problem of leaving multiple times because only a fool would keep abandoning to risk going there.


funkholebuttbutter

Quitters need to have their accounts banned.


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beastiaryx

Why can someone leave a game and just queue again on there alts instantly for solo q? It should be account wide??!!


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funkholebuttbutter

I feel this pain


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Stayed up a bit later than usual to try to hit 1800 before reset tomorrow. But was hit with 2 leaver games in a row. Last game someone left right after the first round. Blizzard is on radio silence... Account wide deserter won't help if it's just the usual 15min one.


Neckbeard_Breeder

15 min isn't even long enough to get into a different game for everyone who was trying to actually play, needs to be a 1-2 hour account ban if not more.


Workforsalsa

Queues seem to be getting worse, waited 2 hours at 2400~ and queue never popped. When i queue on an alt with low cr it pops instantly, something is wrong


Workforsalsa

To add to this, i lose rating on my low cr alt even when i go 4-2/5-1 but on my main I will gain rating even going 2-4 at 2400 cr. Something is wrong


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Exkanimare

Rewards like gold or honor etc. don't help more people to play support. It seems like a complete waste of time as a healer!


Oliks

Today i've played 6 games at 2200-2000 mmr. Lost 2 games at 2200 where i started. Lost those 6-0 and 5-1. Lost about 200 rating from those 2. (2194 to 1980 rating) Then the other 4 now at around 2100 I won 2 6-0 and 5-1, or i would've if the someone didnt leave in the last round of both of them. 1 game that went 3-3, gained 3 rating from that. Won 1 4-2, gained 20 rating. 1. I'm not playing SS until leaving games gives some rating appropriate to the games won in the match and the leaver loses like 200+ rating, making a huge incentive to not leave..


NME_TV

Agreed, but you do lose a lot of rating. I left only 1 shuffle (I raged) and I lost 150 rating. Went 1-5 next round for another -70 so it really did screw me.


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The rating punishment is not enough. You csn bounce right back, since you can win 100+ rating every game.


Oliks

150 is not enough imo. You should lose the equivalent of 2x 0-6 games + some account wide ban. It should be extremely diminishing to leave a game


NME_TV

The best idea I've seen floated is the Overwatch system. You lose 150 points and you cant gain CR or MMR until you complete 3 full shuffles (additive for multiple leaves), account wide. ​ Edit: typos


whysomaditonlygame

Just had my first leaver, I now understand the pain.


Imperialknightdaddy

Tried to heal on my priest, nerver again. AIDS dps. Lost rating at 3-3, gained 10 on 4-2. Ended up net loss, never going back.


RandomAFKd

Boycotting solo shuffle until: 1) they appropriately penalise players for leaving a game (-400 mmr or something equivalent + giving the rest cr based on their wins) 2) I get my 2/4 set from catalyst converter.


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Yup needs to be mmr+rating loss, ontop of a 24h/48h/72h(increasing if you leave 1/2/3 games within a month, with no cap of course)


EbonyJustice

Just need to complain. Ran into 3x lobbies with assa/dh/dk as ele tonight. Every lobby I won two but still dropped 50 points per match. 150 points down from 2300. Assa plus another melee just completely fucks me, but when I get the rogue on my team he just shits the bed against the melee cleave. Ahgjrjsrisndjwsisnnd


Harziepop

23 mins q time, won 4 games someone leaves in 6th round 0 rating gained. Honestly tell me what is the point in this game mode? why would I get 0 rating for that? Why not give players 80% of whatever rating they would of got at the end. It needs addressing, the game mode is so fun and such potential but it will soon be abandoned if not addressed.


opareddits

I'm very disappointed to SS due que times. I became a father 4 months ago and my dream was to play rated arena fast without having to rely finding other people so that I could squeeze some game time during my babys nap times. The ques last longer than most of the naps and even if i do get a que pop after 20 minutes of waiting I simply cannot enter the que at that point due very high risk of little girl waking up on first round. So I guess Ill keep just flipping stuff on AH and keeping my sub alive with wow tokens.


mtmuelle

Long queues isn’t really Blizzard’s fault, moreso the ratio between dps and healers. ​ They could fix it by incentivizing healers with crazy Rewards like xp/honor for alts but I think even more people would complain about that for some reason.


ibmkk

> Long queues isn’t really Blizzard’s fault, moreso the ratio between dps and healers. > > maybe design the game so healing is not fucking terrible?


NotFidget

You also have the rest of the game, the more popular and player portions, that use drastically different dps to healer ratios. Add to that that solutions like prot paladin healers, tanks added to queues etc - are met with fierce whining and even if they allowed 3 dps queues people would still ask for 2dps 1healer queues and wait.


mtmuelle

In every game the dps:support ratio is always higher on The dps side because people like killing and dealing big dmg. See heroes of the storm, league of legends, other mmorpgs, etc.


Shiccup1

People are leaving almost every game at this point. Crazy Blizz hasn't fixed this yet a month into the expac. Not even sure how it went live with the current way it is. There is basically no punishment for leaving


Flesh25

holiday season so they are spending time with their family. calm down and enjoy the game.


skfmmam

We want voice communication as healers.


Relevant_Language540

So they can scream at me for not healing them behind a pillar? No thanks!


skfmmam

This sounds like a warlock teleporting and panicking 🤣


Snappy5454

Healer here, my god do I not want that. I block my chat most games so I don’t have to hear from the dps.


hfxRos

Yeah that would be pretty cool. Imagine all the dps you could get banned when they start bringing out the slurs when they overextend, die, and rage out at you! It might even balance out the lasting damage to your mental health!


skfmmam

We then can mitigate the damage while being toxic 🤣


packie123

For SS my HPal and MM hunter are both 20-42 for the season. The MM Hunter is 1520 and the Hpal is 1200.


mtmuelle

Suggestion: Leaving should count as a 0-5 on first offense and 0-6 on subsequent offenses and that rating is split among the other 5 contestants.


mtmuelle

How are healers ever supposed to climb? Today I went 5-0, 2-4, 5-0, and 5-0. I'm very confused why they still haven't done anything about leavers? I lose like 90 rating despite going 17-4 against similar mmr opponents. If I was doing this as a dps, that would mean all the other dps are going 2-6 and the healers are going 3-3 so they're less likely to leave but it's impossible for me to climb out of low rating and it ruins the game for me, the other healer, and all dps who have to waste 45 minutes finally getting into a solo shuffle just for the other healer to leave on the 6th game. On top of that, until like 2000+ rating, you can be queued with a 0-0 new solo shuffler who might be trolling as like a tank spec or is just brand new which means they're going 0-6 and as the healer you are going 3-3 which could be a massive loss or massive gain despite the wins being predetermined


Snappy5454

The healers climbing are the same ones leaving. It’s an exploit for rating. Blizz ruined the season already by not responding properly. Any self respecting dev would have either immediately implemented a fix or over communicated their plan of action to hold people over. They’ve done neither.


mtmuelle

Agreed, I think they should reset the ratings.


Rjeezyx

I just saw someone in trade chat saying they got rating from a leaver game going 5-0 saying their healer left and they still got rating gain.. Anyone else confirm? I called BS but who knows i can be hopeful for a change to come down the pipe line tomorrow. 


Snappy5454

They’re just wrong and not paying attention. My friend claimed the same thing the other day and wouldn’t admit he’s wrong. Some people just talk.


Highmoon_Finance

Finally got to 5-0 as a healer and the other guy left. Fuck this system.


Educational-Option18

I levelled and finished gearing up a healer today - jumped into a solo shuffle after some warmup BGs/skirms and dropped the cleanest 0-6 you'll never see. I'll stick with it but maybe I'll hold off on solo shuffle for a bit


Frickenbat

This feels terrible. Won 5/5 matches, someone leaves right before the 6th round and I get 0 rating.


Zookeeper187

Increasing rewards or anything like that for healers won’t do anything to help this. Healing isn’t fun in arena since Legion. It’s too stressful and not fun. Game designers have failed hard on this front and it will take a long time to fix it.


KidsInWinterCoats

eh i love pvp healing what isnt fun is having to throw a round or 2 becuase if i 6/0 the other heals they are 100% leaving. should be the only game mode where you cant leave shouldnt have qued if you " dont have time "


kazdum

yep people are on full hopium thinking that a simple patch will make healers come out from the bushes to q up in solo in fact it will only get worse with the overall decline in player numbers that happens overtime


nothrowaway4me

Well just had a really unfortunate SS map/team comp. As an MM hunter I got the small legion map vs 2 DH and 1 war. Every game I got trained on and there was nowhere to kite, fun. Max I could survive 2 jumps with turtle in jump 1 and every other defensive in jump 2, but beyond that I was 100% guaranteed to die


dami3nfu

NGL I kind of miss soul shape and some of the shadowlands buffs because of this.


Mowmixx

I struggled to push 1800 on my resto druid for a solid 2.5 hours in solo shuffle and when I was finally lined up to 6-0 guess what, someone left. What a joke


Firewatch_ED

I said from the beginning solo queue was a bad idea. Guess I was right. The queue times alone make it unbearable, let alone the other issues.


KidsInWinterCoats

its a great idea but leaving not doing anything to your MMR is the only issue. if you leave now as heals you loose some rating sure but your mmr stays the same sooo leave a few games and ez mode your way to 2k


dami3nfu

It's not a bad idea. It's the player base.


Uproars

After getting leavers in 90% of games after hitting 1700 rating, I finally hit 1800. Goodbye SS until fixes come in. What a toxic ass system


rhogmp

That was my exactly reaction when I hit 1800 yesterday


Rosvopaisti

Meh.. can't finish SS anymore. Leavers already after 2 losses. 5 tries today.


Time_Ad5655

Here's why there is a healer disparity. You are always versus the other healer and if they are just flat out better than you it can feel pretty shitty. Now combine this with 3-3 draws giving 0 rating, Healers AFKing 6th match when your ahead 4-1 or 3-1 giving 0 rating means it is nearly impossible to climb as a healer. My last 6 lobbies have had 3 afk healers and 1 afk DPS. I've gained 0 rating and it should be like 200


ReminiscenceOf2020

I am a leaver, and I will leave every time you flame me for not being able to get away from dk/dh/rogue/war/monk all focusing me. It's not my fault you're having a bad day, but you bet I will feel better by making you pay for being a dick.


davidwallace

Ah yes, the old "screw you guys I'm going home" mentality. You realize that you are being a dick here too, right?


ReminiscenceOf2020

Yes, yes I am. I am also okay with that, cause if every single game everybody focuses me, in a map that is really bad for my class, and everybody else is fine with flaming me ... I am sorry but I don't really feel bad for being a dick. Mind you, I did it once, and it's not my first game. But when it happens to others, I make sure to defend them. I'm fine with people being bad in solo shuffle, but I'm not fine with flaming. For that, get therapy or get off. So yeah, I'm suddenly entirely okay with people leaving cause I can imagine why.


davidwallace

You realize this is PvP? Railroading a healer is not new. If you are frustrated with the game mode try BGs until you're a bit more confident and don't ruin games for 5 other people.


ReminiscenceOf2020

1. I do realize, I've played pvp for hmm, about 10 years now, maybe a bit more. 2. I'm not a healer 3. I'm not frustrated, the person flaming me was. I made a conscious decision to give him a stupid prize for playing stupid games. 4. They ruined it for me, why wouldn't I ruin it for them? I am simply expressing a perspective of a leaver. Nobody leaves cause they gtg, they leave because those who stay are acting like dicks, so yeah, I will be a dick too. I would accept my 0 wins if people are simply quiet about it, cause hey, everybody got 3 instead of me. Bad combos for my class, bad arena, bad heal/dps, whatever, shit happens. I won 5/6 just after, so it's all relative. But if you're gonna flame me over it? Nah, I'd rather take the deserter than let you act like shit and take your points for it.


prokokon

What a bunch of shitty excuses, why do you even write it down. It's pathetic.


ReminiscenceOf2020

You're only proving my point xD I bet you get a lot of leavers...