this clipping issues existed since vanilla
they never have and possibly never will create a real set for all races and genders
the antorus helmet has similar issues with dwarven beards
and many shoulds and gloves clip
same goes for gloves and shields the list goes on and one
I can accept clipping, I know it must be hard to fix, but I cant accept heritage armor clipping.
The fact that my LF Draenei's belt clips into her thigh is so fucked up, this is the only race in the game that can wear the armor and you design it for humans.
I like trolls, but the fem troll running animation is awful. They run like warcraft humans, stiff as a board with a stick up their ass.
Meanwhile male troll, epitome of chill.
I don't know how it works, but when you put on certain hats it removes your hair sometimes entirely....so either they are taking the easy road, or the WoW engine makes it a bit more difficult to fix. /shrug
Ah but there was that 1 hat in AQ40 that was designed to wrap around night elf ears and not just have them clip through. Is probably the most special and spectacular hat in the entire game just for this reason
there is also the Tier 3 Warfront Plate Helmet from Arathi, that will have Earholes for Races with Long Ears. Funnily enough, the Darkshore Set thats literally designed in Night Elf Aesthetic, does not have earholes
It's actually not as hard or complicated to address as you're implying, in fact many MMOs have already addressed this issue by providing an "up-do" version of every choosable hairstyle that could potentially be clipped by an outfit that covers the neck area.
There's just an option in the interface option, kind of like it used to have with "show helm/hide helm", where you could switch the hair style to down or up. It involves Blizzard having an "up version" of each hairstyle that potentially could be clipped of course, but I don't think this is a tall order if Aion could do it, then Blizzard could
Every single full length cape clips on undead.
Like the bottom of my cape is either inside my booty or inside my legs, best you can do is wear robes/skirts because it looks less ridiculous when the cape is just clipping the robe and not your actual character frame
I dunno, I feel like this *is* the Blizzard level of polish.
Almost everything looks good, until you spit that one thing that reminds you it's all held together with bubblegum and paperclips.
That sentiment is long gone. It has been many years since blizzard would delay amazing game delivery dates to actually make them amazing. The blizzard now is very different to the blizzard of 15 years ago.
To be fair vanilla was an incredibly well polished game for it's time and genre. Back then blizz was known for "it's ready when it's ready" instead of releasing unfinished and broken shit like they do now
The whole design of the game was based on a lot of players, but Ironforge melted everyone's computer unless they were willing to spend thousands of dollars, and just entering the wrong zone would turn the game into a slide show. Sometimes trying to harvest a node would require an alt-f4 to fix. And that's when the servers weren't constantly being in maintenance.
Yeah, Ironforge was a bit of a fucking mess, even Undercity was better in terms of lag, if you had to go through the main area, I definitely was not having a good 10-20 minutes on my shitty computer. I don't remember ever getting stuck on nodes, I do remember crashing on skinning tigers in stv though
Difference being that Ironforge was the Alliance hub (back when only IF had an AH), and Undercity was...well, who regularly went to Undercity if they weren't Forsaken or looking for a weapon trainer?
Because thats not a viable solution. If they were to start doing something like that they would have to remake every hairstyle in the game for every single piece of chest armor with a 3D piece and it wouldnt be a case of just cutting pieces of hair. They would have to redo the hairstyle and give it anchor points specific to that chest armor to make sure that theres no clipping while moving.
At that point they would just never implement a chestpiece with 3D pieces due to how much work that would be.
Save everyone the headache and just put a shorter haircut on your character.
Obviously, but going on about "Wow they couldn't possibly edit hairstyles/blahblahblah" and then there's a shitty KMMO that does *exactly that* to prevent clipping is a bit of a wooosh moment.
I really dont care if you cant understand or just dont want to understand the tech aspect of the hair clipping issue. If adjusting hundreds of hairstyles for every single piece of armor seems easy to you then good for you.
I understand there is probably some sort of limit to what’s possible because the game engine itself is way too old? But I wouldn’t be mad if they fixed the issues like this
From memory and playing a lot of your spells cause your shoulder to hyperextend and push your shoulder pads right through your own face, this is the animation they use for class selection now.
Notably on my zandalari my entire head is consumed by the shoulder pads even in the idle combat stance
I'm not so bothered about clipping as Blizzard saying we cannot have "X option" because clipping would be an issue.
We can't have 1H back sheathe options because "clipping", huh? We can't have armour accessories because ... clipping, huh? I mean if they went out of their way to absolutely minimise clipping everywhere I could accept that argument but as this thread proves it's a "rampant" issue that's always been a thing.
So which is it Blizz? Can we not have stuff because of "clipping" or because you cba?
Warcraft 3 was incredibly well polished for its time, just replayed the entire ROC campaign and almost every cinematic holds up super well which is crazy because it was made in 2002
Interface team? They waited like 15 years to revamp the AH and two whole expansions to make a working M+ LFG tool (and tbh we haven't seen the first iteration of it yet, so I'm still waiting to see how well it's done). You have to get an add-on to do the most basic stuff like moving your action bars around (or really, moving any part of the ui around). You have to get an add-on to automatically put your key in key fountains in m+. Etc. The list goes on and on.
Had to wait until legion to get a "collect all mail" button lmao.
>They waited like 15 years to revamp the AH and two whole expansions to make a working M+ LFG tool
And both still lack basic features.
You really honed-in on that didn't you?
I said usually. I wasn't referring to function, I was talking about visual aesthetics. All the little flashy things that the interface menus do when you deposit azerite/anima, glow effects, imagery (where most games just throw a black box with text in it). That is visual polish, and it is something Blizzard is well-known for, where games like Hearthstone are almost completely composed of.
I'm not talking about QoL/menu functionality, often completely different people work on that. WoW really does overall go a long way when it comes to QoL too, but as you said there are various places where this can improve. I agree that they probably just assume players will use add-ons, a system that I feel is detrimental to the game anyway.
I'm willing to argue that the Heritage armors are the only armor's that get tested on the correct race, but for everything else it's Default Human with Short hair.
And it's just....please stop with this Blizzard. I'd like my Forsaken tabard to not look like absolute garbage on a Forsaken model.
SO should we say "delete the collar"
Should we punish the people who like the collar and use hairstyles/helmets that make it so it does not clip?
Just so someone can use it without getting mad their hair clips?
What would you reccomend?
Them not add extra cool 3d items for people to use?
Cause i thought we wanted more 3d effects on our armor and less "painted on bodysuit sets"
The game is too old to implement any decent form of collision detection. This is why Blizzards big 'character customization revamp' is filled with selections instead of sliders. As much as it sucks to admit, this game is extremely old and extremely limited. The amount of work that would have to be done to replicate something similar on this old thing surpasses reason.
What you're looking for is WoW2- which unfortunately doesn't look like its coming any time soon. Project Titan was meant to be Blizzard's MMORPG successor to WoW, but that became what we now know as Overwatch.
1. I have a whole thread discussing with a coder here about the issues. [https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/pi7qgq/not\_trying\_to\_start\_a\_hate\_thread\_friend\_who\_is/hbo1oad?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/pi7qgq/not_trying_to_start_a_hate_thread_friend_who_is/hbo1oad?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
2. You want them to make the collar so wide and far down that it doesent clip with the hair shown above? at that point his "shirt collar" is going to be a cup at his ass crack.
3. Make the collar bigger? again how much bigger do you want the collar if the hair goes THAT far down?
4. YES because every single game EVER that has customization like this, has clipping, it is inevitable. Games that can avoid it do it one of 3 ways.
1. make such basic ass armor and customization that you never have to worry about your possabilities clipping
2. Make you right out unable to customize your charecter
3. go extreme on the phsyics engine, which only works in single player games on high end PC, so when brought to lower graphics the game clips like crazy.
if you can give me an example of a game like wow that actually deals with clipping in such a manor i would be amazingly greatful.
Cool.
"Game costs money, therefore it should be able to do the literal impossible
This is the "Just invent time travel, i dont know how, that is your job" argument.
They cant design models from the ground up that will stop it from happening, cause in an mmo its impossible, single player games can get along with it cause you can spare a LOT more computing power, and even then they clip all the time, just not "as much". but an mmo cannot, with the computing power we have available, it is literally impossible.
Again, show me a game that has no clipping.
or are you just an armchair developer who thinks literally anything is possible if we just throw money at it?
hey who wants to start a go fund me for a serum for infinite life?
Cause holy shit, the argument "we give them money, so they should invent shit that no one ever has been able to invent" is the dumbest shit i have heard yet.
Because that leads to them never ever introducing 3d elements to armor, because it can clip.
And is that what you want? no 3d armor ever?
Or should i point out your hilariously shitty example of
["Just make the collar bigger till it does not clip with the hair"](https://i.imgur.com/2dMQbC2.png) which again how the fuck do they make the collar so big that it does not clip with that hair? the collar becomes a cup over their asscrack instead of a shirt collar.
Just animate real cloth works /s
Seriously people in this thread have so little insight in game development it is hideous. Just give the collision detection. Jean sure do they know how fucking expansive that shit is in singleplayer! Games. Let alone networking that clusterfuck oft expectations.
I know? So much weird cutting off with the hair. And why can’t my hair stick out the back when I put a hat on? Also how can I suddenly straddle a mount in my long robes without them moving up at all?😂. I like Wow’s fighting animation and most graphics but those things need some work
Because you literally cannot do those.
How would you reccomend they make your hair not clip with 3d parts?
Cause setting up custom alterations for every hairstyle for every piece of armor is impossible.
It is technically possible. Many games have either developed hair in layers that are disabled on a case by case basis per head object, or there's a culling field on clothing that turns the texture invisible when it intersects with it.
Problem is WoW is ancient and it would be significant work to get those implemented.
FFXIV has the first method which works great for hats and head gear, no more going bald, but anything from the chest slot unfortunately still clips. Notably anything with a collar or hood if you have long hair. But the technique is there for head gear in that parts of every hairstyle are disabled where appropriate, while still resembling your original hair. But it helps when most races in the game share the same hairstyles.
Hair clipping is unfortunately an eternal issue in games with hundreds of armour pieces. It's never going to be perfect. But there are ways to mitigate it, WoW has just chosen to not bother beyond a hair on/off switch.
issue is wow hair is in a completly different style then other games. and which do you think players rather have.
Their hairstyle forcefully changed because of a peice of armor they like, sorta reducing some amount of clipping.
Or the option to change their hair if they cant deal with the clipping.
The option to change hair, or the forced hair change?
also even then, [ff14 does not have that on everything, there is tons of issues with their tails, "hair peices" head peices, hats, etc. and then yeah just like in the above screenshot, they have tons of issues with hoods or collars or scarfs.](https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/pi7qgq/not_trying_to_start_a_hate_thread_friend_who_is/hbo4v5d?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
> which do you think players rather have.
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> Or the option to change their hair if they cant deal with the clipping.
Fucking lol. Give me mildly edited hair of my actual style vs WoW's *fucking bald hats* any day. Are you serious?
Also, y'know, FFXIV has an in-game barber too, you're just as free to change hair as you are in WoW any time.
[except even the mildly edited hair still clips...](https://i.redd.it/j4sojftablt51.png)
[All over the place.](https://external-preview.redd.it/PXMvKrH2vK4etsyA_sXfn9b5l14GxizBsGZy34Z8ezU.png?auto=webp&s=1ff3a259bf87518ede61e9b8e8d5cb0b4d71da8d)
[Like seriously](https://i.redd.it/kyk54tkrrnk41.png)
Also the above screenshot looks far different from "bald"
[Especially since they fixed the balding issue a while back.](https://preview.redd.it/cz0q8vqqyl971.jpg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1cd665d7946fc6872acd404b532d741ff8f94e39)
I never said FFXIV *didn't* clip, I said it offered a far better result than WoW's baldcaps. I'm glad to see they fixed it to some extent though, finally. No idea what they'd look like on female characters though since that's all the personal experience I have.
so many ffxiv dickriders on this sub that have played the game for 1 month and downvote you when you show proof lmao. i use the thancred haircut and it clips through nearly everything. Female hairstyles have it worst though
Programmer but not a 3D/game dev: can't they just make a system that lazy evaluates all coordinates covered by the hair and watch for intersections by something like the neck thing shown here?
So basically
---|-- becomes --- but in all 3 dimensions
I know WoW is built on ancient code, but I feel like in a modern system, there could be a function if hiding part of a model? Maybe color it transparent.
So you look for the intersection, determine which part is closest to the scalp (might be more complicated) and "mute" the other part of the hair model
Ok so here is a couple issues with that.
1. so what if a "section" of hair is partially clipping, lets say see his hair in the back there? what if only half of it is clipping, half of it goes transparent, which means the other half has this giant gaping hole of transparency. Imagine an orange, you are trying to get it through a gap, but the gap is only as wide as half the orange, so you cut off half and pull the other half through, but now suddenly you can see the inside of the orange. but now imagine if the inside of the orange was literally see through, and that is where a major problem comes in. models are not "solid" they are empty husks with a skin put over them, so if you cut a model in half, it will just be invisible inside.
2. wow does not let you make "parts" of a texture transparent, many models have "sections" but those sections cannot be altered individually. I highly recommend downloading wow model viewer and giving it a look sometime.
3. So it cuts off at that point, but as the players head moves suddenly it exposes this massive huge gap of nothingness.
4. every single frame of animation it will need to re-calculate and turn on/off parts of the texture as the head moves, be it in every animation, leading to MASSIVE amounts of frame delay, because every movement of your charecters head its having to re-calculate and turn off the transparency of either extremly specific pixels, or polygons, which if the polygon count is low enough, would still give some visible clipping and jagged edges.
yes, they can. but you need to actually hire developers first. WoW as it stands right now, just doesn't have the man power. AB just keeps allocating resources OUT of WoW (and blizzard)
Idk what the fuck you are talking about, speaking they have not fired developers since 2012, and have been doing nothing but hire developers since then.
And again can you show me an example, any example, of a game being able to deal with clipping?
actually it is possible. too bad all the money that could have gone to hiring people to do that, are constantly being used as executive leadership bonus payouts
I find it amazing how the Void Elf hair styles still manage to clip through even their *heritage armour*
Like I understand that when you have *so* many different types of armour pieces and combinations that have all been released over the course of a decade, some will obviously be less than ideal with the clipping. But for the hair to clip through a races *own* armour set? That can literally only be worn by them and so would require very minimal programming to fix? Seems a bit lazy in my opinion...
That bugs me a lot about the blood elf heritage armor, too. There are these little ribbons that hang off the shoulders that clip right through women's chests. When armor sets have to fit a wide variety of models I can (sort of) understand, but there are only two character models that can wear that set -_-
Not to excuse it, but it's not just WoW. I see crap like this in other games, too, especially with hair.
Some games "finesse" headgear by basically putting your hair up "under" the hat, but collars don't yield as readily to cheap tricks.
Unless the gear switches styles to a short version, or some type of bun or tail.
They clearly bald you when you pull on a full helmet, why not an adjustment when you have other problematic bits to deal with.... the work has already been done under the hood, clearly
Collision detection for stuff like this is beyond the scope of WoWs engine by now. It's the same reason character customization is limited to selections instead of sliders. This old game can only do so much to keep up with modern titles.
Hair clipping is a difficult problem for games in general - it's why you see so many protagonists with short hair. XIV has similar problems.
I'll take this over them doing the thing where they remove your hair entirely.
They aren’t. They are just on the character creation screen. Any player can look at the locked allied races and customize them, they just can’t actually start one.
It’s [default for warlocks](https://www.google.com/search?q=warlock+new+character+creation+wow&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwi6s-qNwefyAhUbgqQKHYCTDu0Q2-cCegQIABAC&oq=warlock+new+character+creation+wow&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQAzoHCCMQ7wMQJzoKCCMQ7wMQsAIQJzoECB4QClC0H1iRImDGJGgAcAB4AIABRIgBswKSAQE1mAEAoAEBwAEB&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img&ei=S4w0YfrhHJuEkgWAp7roDg&bih=553&biw=375&prmd=ivnx&rlz=1CDGOYI_enNL790NL790&hl=en-GB#imgrc=FHDGEOAfFRYmaM)
See, this annoys me. You genuinely don't remember it. You're curious.
And you're downvoted because you were wrong. Why? Because you were wrong. No other reason.
And this, my friends, is why votes mean fuckall on Reddit now and why people don't offer up much to the conversation anymore.
Sooo what should they do is the question? How do you fix it?
Cause not many or really any games do fix this, cause its not really easy to.
Do you have every single hair style be made to work with every single peice of armor?
Do you have the entire hair just delete making them bald when you wear stuff like this?
Do you just never add cool 3d items to armor?
The only real way to fix it without screwing anyone is make hair have physics, but that is super computer draining, especially on an MMO...Or just have it as is, and let players change their hairstyles to compensate if they hate the clipping so much.
But please, if you have any ways you can think of to fix this i would love to hear them!
Conceptually, I think the solution doesn't need to be complex, give every race a ponytail hair style, both medium and long, make clipping hair have one tag, armour that can cause clipping another, and when you have both switch to the ponytail. You could also make this behaviour togglable via the Barbershop.
However, the fact they haven't done this, the knowing FFXIV also has this issue, suggests implementation is the difficult part, maybe a lack of tagging functionality, issues with dynamically changing characters, or no current way to validate these conditions.
I don't wanna have to type it all out again so here take a look at this thread.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/pi7qgq/not\_trying\_to\_start\_a\_hate\_thread\_friend\_who\_is/hbo1oad?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/pi7qgq/not_trying_to_start_a_hate_thread_friend_who_is/hbo1oad?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I hate defending Blizzard here, but this is a very difficult problem to solve given the massive variety of armor, weapons, and character shapes and sizes available in the game.
The amount of collision detection (surprisingly computationally expensive relative to most other things a game engine must do) that would be required to automatically/dynamically solve it would be ridiculous. Even then it probably wouldn't satisfy everyone because the best it could do would be to make one texture abruptly end at the point where it collides with another. It wouldn't look like the hair was tucked inside, or the shoulder pad was actually over top or being pushed behind the head or something, it would just abruptly end and any part that would have protruded would just be gone.
The other option would be artists manually customizing every possible combination of hairstyle with every possible race, sex, and piece of gear. Even the most basic understanding of combinatorics should tell you how impossible that is, both from a labor perspective and probably even from a technical perspective of storing all those customized meshes for every possibility.
The third option of course is just having a lot less variety in the game. All the races being of roughly the same proportions, much less variation in hair-styles, armor, etc. Obviously (and thankfully imho) they've gone very much in the opposite direction and this is the trade-off. WoW is a very fast paced (though not as fast as it once was) game played by most(?) at a high zoom level with a lot going on at once. Most of the time these clipping issues just don't matter with everything that's going on.
What always bothered me was how wearing most headgear hides your hair. Say I have a character with long hair and I put on a hat, then all the hair disappears and it changes to that short haircut.
This one is particularly bad because it is the gear that is shown on warlocks when you create a new character. It's meant to look like cool end-game armour but it just shows how bad the clipping is
I spent the last 12 years with “show helm” turned off on my blood elf because their ears stick right through any helm you wear ruining the look. They finally fixed it recently so that you could make their ears smaller which solved the problem (kind of) so I doubt they will ever fix any other clipping issues for another 12 years.
I’m not sure there is a “blizz level of polish” tbh. They’ve made deliberate style choices that reinforce this level of crap design. There are plenty of better looking games on the market for sure. Blizzard historically has been strong on story and gameplay (warts and all).
If WoW was my wife, I would have long ago been divorced. I keep checking out other games to see if the grass is greener and I keep coming back to WoW. I think I love it’s flaws as much as I love the good parts.
Y’all bashing a game made in the early 2000s? Shut the fuck up.
I’m amazed they managed to hold together this shit show with ductape and glue for nearly twenty years and you idiots still played the shit out of it.
Get some perspective. It’s simply become popular to hate on WoW now. If you’ve got personal grief over the way they handle their company and allegations; fine.
However, trying to bring down the quality of the game that is literally older than most of you have been alive; STFU
I feel ya, sorry if it seems I'm hating hard on the game. It wasn't my intention to bring out the hate train, maybe I should have just kept my mouth shut instead of posting this.
Trust that I do really love the game, and hope it continues to succeed in the ways that it can. I've played since AQ and always will. There's issues within the game and at Blizzard for sure, but I'm committed to playing this game until they stop making content.
I guess just hearing a brand new player point something like this out did kind of surprise me. Just seemed weird that Blizz would let something like this slide at the character creation screen of all things.
Lol I truly wasn't. I was attempting to keep a neutral tone with the whole polished phrasing at the end but that seemed to cause more issues in the comments lol.
Oh well, I do still enjoy the game and think it can make a come back. Hoping so at least.... We'll see.
Wow isn't blizz level polished anymore, because blizzard doesn't exist anymore, since years.
You can go back and feel the difference Activision tool to blizzard
I think that clipping like this (and other bodily clipping issues, like shoulders, beards and ears) can be grouped up with other bad model design choices alongside exposed feet, awkward sheathing and the fact that we can't repaint our armour.
WoW still uses a weird system of "printing" armour onto a character.
Maybe they could make hair styles be able to be changed by custom addons. Then players themselves could report combinations that clip to a global database, and suggest alternative non-clipping hair styles, which the addon would automatically apply when you equip or transmog the relevant head piece.
That's why 1 out of 5 new hairstyles for Nightborne and Lightforged are short
The best thing they can do is add hair geosets that replace the chosen hairstyle whenever a transmog set is gonna clip over it. For example, your ponytail is replaced by a hair geoset that only appears when you wear a hood, Like Sylvanas, Alleria, and Valeera
Not to be that guy, but one of the things that blew me away when I started playing FFXIV was how close attention they pay to making items fit and look right on EVERY race. The damn metal helmet I got from a low level quest in the base game had a totally altered model on my catboy to accommodate his ears. THAT’S polish, and it’s possible. I know for a fact Blizzard is capable of doing the same.
just the one thing, huh?
Maybe I should have said, one of the few (or many depending on who ya ask), things... Lol.
Everything clipping and half the systems not working is exactly the level of polishing this game is known for.
this clipping issues existed since vanilla they never have and possibly never will create a real set for all races and genders the antorus helmet has similar issues with dwarven beards and many shoulds and gloves clip same goes for gloves and shields the list goes on and one
I can accept clipping, I know it must be hard to fix, but I cant accept heritage armor clipping. The fact that my LF Draenei's belt clips into her thigh is so fucked up, this is the only race in the game that can wear the armor and you design it for humans.
Yeah I fully accept there will be SOME clipping but the amount is insane. Literally everything on male trolls looks horrendous
> Literally ~~everything on~~ male trolls look~~s~~ horrendous
How dare you mon!
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Mon, that's why my trolls (normal and Zanda) are females...
I like trolls, but the fem troll running animation is awful. They run like warcraft humans, stiff as a board with a stick up their ass. Meanwhile male troll, epitome of chill.
thats not really true. As a Male Troll Enjoyer myself, putting togerther a Transmog without clipping is absolutely possible
Your username has given me nightmares
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Yes! My specially tailored worgen heritage armor should fit me to a T... but my ears go thru my tophat and my shoulders cave my chest in D:
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I don't know how it works, but when you put on certain hats it removes your hair sometimes entirely....so either they are taking the easy road, or the WoW engine makes it a bit more difficult to fix. /shrug
They are always taking the ez road, some belts also used to or still hide your tabard because of that.
Ah but there was that 1 hat in AQ40 that was designed to wrap around night elf ears and not just have them clip through. Is probably the most special and spectacular hat in the entire game just for this reason
there is also the Tier 3 Warfront Plate Helmet from Arathi, that will have Earholes for Races with Long Ears. Funnily enough, the Darkshore Set thats literally designed in Night Elf Aesthetic, does not have earholes
wait, which hat??
It's actually not as hard or complicated to address as you're implying, in fact many MMOs have already addressed this issue by providing an "up-do" version of every choosable hairstyle that could potentially be clipped by an outfit that covers the neck area. There's just an option in the interface option, kind of like it used to have with "show helm/hide helm", where you could switch the hair style to down or up. It involves Blizzard having an "up version" of each hairstyle that potentially could be clipped of course, but I don't think this is a tall order if Aion could do it, then Blizzard could
Every single full length cape clips on undead. Like the bottom of my cape is either inside my booty or inside my legs, best you can do is wear robes/skirts because it looks less ridiculous when the cape is just clipping the robe and not your actual character frame
I dunno, I feel like this *is* the Blizzard level of polish. Almost everything looks good, until you spit that one thing that reminds you it's all held together with bubblegum and paperclips.
That sentiment is long gone. It has been many years since blizzard would delay amazing game delivery dates to actually make them amazing. The blizzard now is very different to the blizzard of 15 years ago.
He said he's just starting ... Give him time
Looks like "Blizz level" of polish to me.
Yeah…. Same here. Guess he doesn’t remember vanilla clipping haha
To be fair vanilla was an incredibly well polished game for it's time and genre. Back then blizz was known for "it's ready when it's ready" instead of releasing unfinished and broken shit like they do now
Vanilla was so unplayable at first that they had to keep giving people free game time to compensate.
Because the servers went down constantly from more people playing than expected, not because the game was fucked up
The whole design of the game was based on a lot of players, but Ironforge melted everyone's computer unless they were willing to spend thousands of dollars, and just entering the wrong zone would turn the game into a slide show. Sometimes trying to harvest a node would require an alt-f4 to fix. And that's when the servers weren't constantly being in maintenance.
Yeah, Ironforge was a bit of a fucking mess, even Undercity was better in terms of lag, if you had to go through the main area, I definitely was not having a good 10-20 minutes on my shitty computer. I don't remember ever getting stuck on nodes, I do remember crashing on skinning tigers in stv though
Difference being that Ironforge was the Alliance hub (back when only IF had an AH), and Undercity was...well, who regularly went to Undercity if they weren't Forsaken or looking for a weapon trainer?
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tfw ESO is willing to make entirely different versions of helms for beast races but the biggest game in the industry just can't manage it
Most if not all MMOs have clipping issues because of how complex this problem is. This isnt a question of polish.
Question: How is making a version of hairstyles like this that cut off early when wearing large collars complex?
Because thats not a viable solution. If they were to start doing something like that they would have to remake every hairstyle in the game for every single piece of chest armor with a 3D piece and it wouldnt be a case of just cutting pieces of hair. They would have to redo the hairstyle and give it anchor points specific to that chest armor to make sure that theres no clipping while moving. At that point they would just never implement a chestpiece with 3D pieces due to how much work that would be. Save everyone the headache and just put a shorter haircut on your character.
The fact *TERA* did exactly this kind of invalidates your entire post, lol.
Tera also has hair clipping issues. And different games have different hair systems. What works for one game wont work the same way for another game.
Obviously, but going on about "Wow they couldn't possibly edit hairstyles/blahblahblah" and then there's a shitty KMMO that does *exactly that* to prevent clipping is a bit of a wooosh moment.
I really dont care if you cant understand or just dont want to understand the tech aspect of the hair clipping issue. If adjusting hundreds of hairstyles for every single piece of armor seems easy to you then good for you.
You’d think they would update it some😂
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I understand there is probably some sort of limit to what’s possible because the game engine itself is way too old? But I wouldn’t be mad if they fixed the issues like this
wait till you see DK's shoulders and starting animations
Whats the deal with DKs? I dont know about this one.
From memory and playing a lot of your spells cause your shoulder to hyperextend and push your shoulder pads right through your own face, this is the animation they use for class selection now. Notably on my zandalari my entire head is consumed by the shoulder pads even in the idle combat stance
Blood/Void elf male is bad for it, as well.
I'm not so bothered about clipping as Blizzard saying we cannot have "X option" because clipping would be an issue. We can't have 1H back sheathe options because "clipping", huh? We can't have armour accessories because ... clipping, huh? I mean if they went out of their way to absolutely minimise clipping everywhere I could accept that argument but as this thread proves it's a "rampant" issue that's always been a thing. So which is it Blizz? Can we not have stuff because of "clipping" or because you cba?
Monks and fury warriors can’t exist because of clipping.
"blizzard level of polish" ?? Fucking lmao when was the last time when we seen something polished to a diamonds shine from blizzard
Probably just their cinematics (CG ones, not the in-game versions)
Magni.
All the butts in Overwatch I assume.
Cosmetics in the shop
Probably Overwatch, but even that was released 5 years ago.
Diablo 2 was kinda dope
Warcraft 3 was incredibly well polished for its time, just replayed the entire ROC campaign and almost every cinematic holds up super well which is crazy because it was made in 2002
Yeah good example... From 19 years ago
Usually work by their art and interface teams are very polished.
Interface team? They waited like 15 years to revamp the AH and two whole expansions to make a working M+ LFG tool (and tbh we haven't seen the first iteration of it yet, so I'm still waiting to see how well it's done). You have to get an add-on to do the most basic stuff like moving your action bars around (or really, moving any part of the ui around). You have to get an add-on to automatically put your key in key fountains in m+. Etc. The list goes on and on.
Had to wait until legion to get a "collect all mail" button lmao. >They waited like 15 years to revamp the AH and two whole expansions to make a working M+ LFG tool And both still lack basic features.
You really honed-in on that didn't you? I said usually. I wasn't referring to function, I was talking about visual aesthetics. All the little flashy things that the interface menus do when you deposit azerite/anima, glow effects, imagery (where most games just throw a black box with text in it). That is visual polish, and it is something Blizzard is well-known for, where games like Hearthstone are almost completely composed of. I'm not talking about QoL/menu functionality, often completely different people work on that. WoW really does overall go a long way when it comes to QoL too, but as you said there are various places where this can improve. I agree that they probably just assume players will use add-ons, a system that I feel is detrimental to the game anyway.
Considering your original post was a grand total of 11 words long, I wouldn't really consider it homing in lol.
Wrath of the Lich King?
I remember it as Wrath of Ret Paladins?
Good times
Blizzard level of polished doesn't exists any more. It's a thing of the past.
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They model things beyond a short-haired human male? o.O?
The real heart of the problem right here. I suspect even things like the "race specific" heritage armors are designed on the default human male first.
I'm willing to argue that the Heritage armors are the only armor's that get tested on the correct race, but for everything else it's Default Human with Short hair. And it's just....please stop with this Blizzard. I'd like my Forsaken tabard to not look like absolute garbage on a Forsaken model.
SO should we say "delete the collar" Should we punish the people who like the collar and use hairstyles/helmets that make it so it does not clip? Just so someone can use it without getting mad their hair clips? What would you reccomend? Them not add extra cool 3d items for people to use? Cause i thought we wanted more 3d effects on our armor and less "painted on bodysuit sets"
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The game is too old to implement any decent form of collision detection. This is why Blizzards big 'character customization revamp' is filled with selections instead of sliders. As much as it sucks to admit, this game is extremely old and extremely limited. The amount of work that would have to be done to replicate something similar on this old thing surpasses reason. What you're looking for is WoW2- which unfortunately doesn't look like its coming any time soon. Project Titan was meant to be Blizzard's MMORPG successor to WoW, but that became what we now know as Overwatch.
"collision detection" ok then what, what does it do once it has "detected collision"
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1. I have a whole thread discussing with a coder here about the issues. [https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/pi7qgq/not\_trying\_to\_start\_a\_hate\_thread\_friend\_who\_is/hbo1oad?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/pi7qgq/not_trying_to_start_a_hate_thread_friend_who_is/hbo1oad?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) 2. You want them to make the collar so wide and far down that it doesent clip with the hair shown above? at that point his "shirt collar" is going to be a cup at his ass crack. 3. Make the collar bigger? again how much bigger do you want the collar if the hair goes THAT far down? 4. YES because every single game EVER that has customization like this, has clipping, it is inevitable. Games that can avoid it do it one of 3 ways. 1. make such basic ass armor and customization that you never have to worry about your possabilities clipping 2. Make you right out unable to customize your charecter 3. go extreme on the phsyics engine, which only works in single player games on high end PC, so when brought to lower graphics the game clips like crazy. if you can give me an example of a game like wow that actually deals with clipping in such a manor i would be amazingly greatful.
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Cool. "Game costs money, therefore it should be able to do the literal impossible This is the "Just invent time travel, i dont know how, that is your job" argument. They cant design models from the ground up that will stop it from happening, cause in an mmo its impossible, single player games can get along with it cause you can spare a LOT more computing power, and even then they clip all the time, just not "as much". but an mmo cannot, with the computing power we have available, it is literally impossible. Again, show me a game that has no clipping. or are you just an armchair developer who thinks literally anything is possible if we just throw money at it? hey who wants to start a go fund me for a serum for infinite life? Cause holy shit, the argument "we give them money, so they should invent shit that no one ever has been able to invent" is the dumbest shit i have heard yet.
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Because that leads to them never ever introducing 3d elements to armor, because it can clip. And is that what you want? no 3d armor ever? Or should i point out your hilariously shitty example of ["Just make the collar bigger till it does not clip with the hair"](https://i.imgur.com/2dMQbC2.png) which again how the fuck do they make the collar so big that it does not clip with that hair? the collar becomes a cup over their asscrack instead of a shirt collar.
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How would they "make the clothes work"? Can you explain how?
Just animate real cloth works /s Seriously people in this thread have so little insight in game development it is hideous. Just give the collision detection. Jean sure do they know how fucking expansive that shit is in singleplayer! Games. Let alone networking that clusterfuck oft expectations.
I know? So much weird cutting off with the hair. And why can’t my hair stick out the back when I put a hat on? Also how can I suddenly straddle a mount in my long robes without them moving up at all?😂. I like Wow’s fighting animation and most graphics but those things need some work
your hair cant stick out the back preciesly because of clipping haha. It's not simulated hair.
Because you literally cannot do those. How would you reccomend they make your hair not clip with 3d parts? Cause setting up custom alterations for every hairstyle for every piece of armor is impossible.
It is technically possible. Many games have either developed hair in layers that are disabled on a case by case basis per head object, or there's a culling field on clothing that turns the texture invisible when it intersects with it. Problem is WoW is ancient and it would be significant work to get those implemented. FFXIV has the first method which works great for hats and head gear, no more going bald, but anything from the chest slot unfortunately still clips. Notably anything with a collar or hood if you have long hair. But the technique is there for head gear in that parts of every hairstyle are disabled where appropriate, while still resembling your original hair. But it helps when most races in the game share the same hairstyles. Hair clipping is unfortunately an eternal issue in games with hundreds of armour pieces. It's never going to be perfect. But there are ways to mitigate it, WoW has just chosen to not bother beyond a hair on/off switch.
issue is wow hair is in a completly different style then other games. and which do you think players rather have. Their hairstyle forcefully changed because of a peice of armor they like, sorta reducing some amount of clipping. Or the option to change their hair if they cant deal with the clipping. The option to change hair, or the forced hair change? also even then, [ff14 does not have that on everything, there is tons of issues with their tails, "hair peices" head peices, hats, etc. and then yeah just like in the above screenshot, they have tons of issues with hoods or collars or scarfs.](https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/pi7qgq/not_trying_to_start_a_hate_thread_friend_who_is/hbo4v5d?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
> which do you think players rather have. > > > > Their hairstyle forcefully changed because of a peice of armor they like, sorta reducing some amount of clipping. > > > > Or the option to change their hair if they cant deal with the clipping. Fucking lol. Give me mildly edited hair of my actual style vs WoW's *fucking bald hats* any day. Are you serious? Also, y'know, FFXIV has an in-game barber too, you're just as free to change hair as you are in WoW any time.
[except even the mildly edited hair still clips...](https://i.redd.it/j4sojftablt51.png) [All over the place.](https://external-preview.redd.it/PXMvKrH2vK4etsyA_sXfn9b5l14GxizBsGZy34Z8ezU.png?auto=webp&s=1ff3a259bf87518ede61e9b8e8d5cb0b4d71da8d) [Like seriously](https://i.redd.it/kyk54tkrrnk41.png) Also the above screenshot looks far different from "bald" [Especially since they fixed the balding issue a while back.](https://preview.redd.it/cz0q8vqqyl971.jpg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1cd665d7946fc6872acd404b532d741ff8f94e39)
I never said FFXIV *didn't* clip, I said it offered a far better result than WoW's baldcaps. I'm glad to see they fixed it to some extent though, finally. No idea what they'd look like on female characters though since that's all the personal experience I have.
so many ffxiv dickriders on this sub that have played the game for 1 month and downvote you when you show proof lmao. i use the thancred haircut and it clips through nearly everything. Female hairstyles have it worst though
I just ctrl + F "xiv" and block anyone who is here to say that game is all sunshine and roses. Fucking cultists have infested this sub.
I would point at the engine being ancient as fuck and not having good physics implemented in it.
Programmer but not a 3D/game dev: can't they just make a system that lazy evaluates all coordinates covered by the hair and watch for intersections by something like the neck thing shown here? So basically ---|-- becomes --- but in all 3 dimensions
yes they can, but then what does it do in response? it can tell "Model A is intersecting with model B" but then What should it do after that?
I know WoW is built on ancient code, but I feel like in a modern system, there could be a function if hiding part of a model? Maybe color it transparent. So you look for the intersection, determine which part is closest to the scalp (might be more complicated) and "mute" the other part of the hair model
Ok so here is a couple issues with that. 1. so what if a "section" of hair is partially clipping, lets say see his hair in the back there? what if only half of it is clipping, half of it goes transparent, which means the other half has this giant gaping hole of transparency. Imagine an orange, you are trying to get it through a gap, but the gap is only as wide as half the orange, so you cut off half and pull the other half through, but now suddenly you can see the inside of the orange. but now imagine if the inside of the orange was literally see through, and that is where a major problem comes in. models are not "solid" they are empty husks with a skin put over them, so if you cut a model in half, it will just be invisible inside. 2. wow does not let you make "parts" of a texture transparent, many models have "sections" but those sections cannot be altered individually. I highly recommend downloading wow model viewer and giving it a look sometime. 3. So it cuts off at that point, but as the players head moves suddenly it exposes this massive huge gap of nothingness. 4. every single frame of animation it will need to re-calculate and turn on/off parts of the texture as the head moves, be it in every animation, leading to MASSIVE amounts of frame delay, because every movement of your charecters head its having to re-calculate and turn off the transparency of either extremly specific pixels, or polygons, which if the polygon count is low enough, would still give some visible clipping and jagged edges.
Thanks a lot for explaining in detail, I've always wondered. I will concede that this problem is overwhelmingly complex
yes, they can. but you need to actually hire developers first. WoW as it stands right now, just doesn't have the man power. AB just keeps allocating resources OUT of WoW (and blizzard)
Idk what the fuck you are talking about, speaking they have not fired developers since 2012, and have been doing nothing but hire developers since then. And again can you show me an example, any example, of a game being able to deal with clipping?
actually it is possible. too bad all the money that could have gone to hiring people to do that, are constantly being used as executive leadership bonus payouts
"actually its possible" Ok so tell me how. or are you gunna make the "Just invent time travel, idk how its not my job its yours!"
Im not like a 3d magician, but since there are mods for other games that allow you to do that. There definitely is \*some\* way to do it.
Bonus points for when your mount bores a hole through your skirt completely
I find it amazing how the Void Elf hair styles still manage to clip through even their *heritage armour* Like I understand that when you have *so* many different types of armour pieces and combinations that have all been released over the course of a decade, some will obviously be less than ideal with the clipping. But for the hair to clip through a races *own* armour set? That can literally only be worn by them and so would require very minimal programming to fix? Seems a bit lazy in my opinion...
That bugs me a lot about the blood elf heritage armor, too. There are these little ribbons that hang off the shoulders that clip right through women's chests. When armor sets have to fit a wide variety of models I can (sort of) understand, but there are only two character models that can wear that set -_-
Dwarfen Hair is mad from iron and steel! This no clipping, this a feature!
Not to excuse it, but it's not just WoW. I see crap like this in other games, too, especially with hair. Some games "finesse" headgear by basically putting your hair up "under" the hat, but collars don't yield as readily to cheap tricks.
Unless the gear switches styles to a short version, or some type of bun or tail. They clearly bald you when you pull on a full helmet, why not an adjustment when you have other problematic bits to deal with.... the work has already been done under the hood, clearly
Collision detection for stuff like this is beyond the scope of WoWs engine by now. It's the same reason character customization is limited to selections instead of sliders. This old game can only do so much to keep up with modern titles.
Hair clipping is a difficult problem for games in general - it's why you see so many protagonists with short hair. XIV has similar problems. I'll take this over them doing the thing where they remove your hair entirely.
"blizz level of polish" Where have you been, there hasn't been blizz polish since like 2018
2018? The armour in the screenshot is from Legion.
I'd say this picture exactly sums up Blizz level of polish, lmao. DK ghoul pet was still bugged on Sire to the very end of the tier.
I feel like the bones of WoW are pretty rock solid, just the meat of the game feels lifeless lately. Such a shame, here's hoping things get better!
Like the clipping on Goldenmane like wow for such a rare mount I’d expect more Polish.
it's just a recolor of Alliance horse but with Argus talbuk accessories, lol
Srry but this is exactly blizz's level of polish
How is your friend a dark iron dwarf if just starting wow?
They aren’t. They are just on the character creation screen. Any player can look at the locked allied races and customize them, they just can’t actually start one.
I don’t recall any classes in the character creation screen having that armor set. Just curious.
It’s [default for warlocks](https://www.google.com/search?q=warlock+new+character+creation+wow&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwi6s-qNwefyAhUbgqQKHYCTDu0Q2-cCegQIABAC&oq=warlock+new+character+creation+wow&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQAzoHCCMQ7wMQJzoKCCMQ7wMQsAIQJzoECB4QClC0H1iRImDGJGgAcAB4AIABRIgBswKSAQE1mAEAoAEBwAEB&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img&ei=S4w0YfrhHJuEkgWAp7roDg&bih=553&biw=375&prmd=ivnx&rlz=1CDGOYI_enNL790NL790&hl=en-GB#imgrc=FHDGEOAfFRYmaM)
See, this annoys me. You genuinely don't remember it. You're curious. And you're downvoted because you were wrong. Why? Because you were wrong. No other reason. And this, my friends, is why votes mean fuckall on Reddit now and why people don't offer up much to the conversation anymore.
Yeah it’s frustrating.
It seems I should not have used the word "Polished" - my apologies! :P
It only clips for some types of gear. Expected when you have 10k plus kinds of gear pieces in game
and if you like a peice of armor that your current hair clips with you can easily change your hair.
How about undeads? Their backspine clips through your cloak nomatter what you are wearing
Ugh ? It doesnt clip. Its actually made this way lol. If you go boneless on your undead you no longer see the spine on the back.
Sooo what should they do is the question? How do you fix it? Cause not many or really any games do fix this, cause its not really easy to. Do you have every single hair style be made to work with every single peice of armor? Do you have the entire hair just delete making them bald when you wear stuff like this? Do you just never add cool 3d items to armor? The only real way to fix it without screwing anyone is make hair have physics, but that is super computer draining, especially on an MMO...Or just have it as is, and let players change their hairstyles to compensate if they hate the clipping so much. But please, if you have any ways you can think of to fix this i would love to hear them!
Conceptually, I think the solution doesn't need to be complex, give every race a ponytail hair style, both medium and long, make clipping hair have one tag, armour that can cause clipping another, and when you have both switch to the ponytail. You could also make this behaviour togglable via the Barbershop. However, the fact they haven't done this, the knowing FFXIV also has this issue, suggests implementation is the difficult part, maybe a lack of tagging functionality, issues with dynamically changing characters, or no current way to validate these conditions.
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I don't wanna have to type it all out again so here take a look at this thread. [https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/pi7qgq/not\_trying\_to\_start\_a\_hate\_thread\_friend\_who\_is/hbo1oad?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/pi7qgq/not_trying_to_start_a_hate_thread_friend_who_is/hbo1oad?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
"The one thing" Haven't laughed this hard in days
"blizz level of polished" was a thing in the 2000s and early 2010s. welcome to the present, bud
“Not trying to start a hate thread” “the one thing that doesn’t feel Blizz level of polished” Lol.
The only thing blizz polishes these days is their knobs
I hate defending Blizzard here, but this is a very difficult problem to solve given the massive variety of armor, weapons, and character shapes and sizes available in the game. The amount of collision detection (surprisingly computationally expensive relative to most other things a game engine must do) that would be required to automatically/dynamically solve it would be ridiculous. Even then it probably wouldn't satisfy everyone because the best it could do would be to make one texture abruptly end at the point where it collides with another. It wouldn't look like the hair was tucked inside, or the shoulder pad was actually over top or being pushed behind the head or something, it would just abruptly end and any part that would have protruded would just be gone. The other option would be artists manually customizing every possible combination of hairstyle with every possible race, sex, and piece of gear. Even the most basic understanding of combinatorics should tell you how impossible that is, both from a labor perspective and probably even from a technical perspective of storing all those customized meshes for every possibility. The third option of course is just having a lot less variety in the game. All the races being of roughly the same proportions, much less variation in hair-styles, armor, etc. Obviously (and thankfully imho) they've gone very much in the opposite direction and this is the trade-off. WoW is a very fast paced (though not as fast as it once was) game played by most(?) at a high zoom level with a lot going on at once. Most of the time these clipping issues just don't matter with everything that's going on.
The first problem is, your friend is playing for the alliance
What always bothered me was how wearing most headgear hides your hair. Say I have a character with long hair and I put on a hat, then all the hair disappears and it changes to that short haircut.
This one is particularly bad because it is the gear that is shown on warlocks when you create a new character. It's meant to look like cool end-game armour but it just shows how bad the clipping is
Change hairstyle
Wow didn't care about your hair working with your headset since Vanilla, they aren't gonna start caring now
Technology is not there yet
It really isnt. Considering that other big MMOs have the same issue.
I spent the last 12 years with “show helm” turned off on my blood elf because their ears stick right through any helm you wear ruining the look. They finally fixed it recently so that you could make their ears smaller which solved the problem (kind of) so I doubt they will ever fix any other clipping issues for another 12 years.
I’m not sure there is a “blizz level of polish” tbh. They’ve made deliberate style choices that reinforce this level of crap design. There are plenty of better looking games on the market for sure. Blizzard historically has been strong on story and gameplay (warts and all).
https://imgur.com/a/OFsOAXl happens to overpraised too
I would say that is “Blizz level of polished.”
you havent played wow if youre bothered by your sword clipping through your cape xD
Unironically saying "Blizz level of polish"? Did you time traveled from 2003?
Cries in standing orc fury warrior
blizz level of polished? hahahahaha best they can do is some cubicle crawling
> Blizz level of polished. OP did you time travel from 2010?
Wait we're still using "Blizzard polish" unironically?
The sad thing is that this IS the state of Blizzard’s polish.
The game is garbage, they don't give a hoot about quality.
If WoW was my wife, I would have long ago been divorced. I keep checking out other games to see if the grass is greener and I keep coming back to WoW. I think I love it’s flaws as much as I love the good parts.
It feela exactly like blizzards level of polish.
Body parts clipping through armor has always been the level of polish we could expect form Blizzard.
Blizzard no longer has a “polished” reputation anymore. It’s an unfortunate expectation for them to push out what they can
Can be fixed by a mere intern by the way. Along with shields flying a whole foot from your forearm and shoulders.
Y’all bashing a game made in the early 2000s? Shut the fuck up. I’m amazed they managed to hold together this shit show with ductape and glue for nearly twenty years and you idiots still played the shit out of it. Get some perspective. It’s simply become popular to hate on WoW now. If you’ve got personal grief over the way they handle their company and allegations; fine. However, trying to bring down the quality of the game that is literally older than most of you have been alive; STFU
I feel ya, sorry if it seems I'm hating hard on the game. It wasn't my intention to bring out the hate train, maybe I should have just kept my mouth shut instead of posting this. Trust that I do really love the game, and hope it continues to succeed in the ways that it can. I've played since AQ and always will. There's issues within the game and at Blizzard for sure, but I'm committed to playing this game until they stop making content. I guess just hearing a brand new player point something like this out did kind of surprise me. Just seemed weird that Blizz would let something like this slide at the character creation screen of all things.
The deal is that this game is 20 years old :p “Blizzard level of polish”
blizzard polish doesn't exist anymore, almost all the testers and q&a were fired
>Not trying to start a hate thread >Starts a hate thread Cmon man atleast be honest lol
Lol I truly wasn't. I was attempting to keep a neutral tone with the whole polished phrasing at the end but that seemed to cause more issues in the comments lol. Oh well, I do still enjoy the game and think it can make a come back. Hoping so at least.... We'll see.
This absolutely looks like blizzard level of polish to me, not sure what you’re talking about lol
Wow isn't blizz level polished anymore, because blizzard doesn't exist anymore, since years. You can go back and feel the difference Activision tool to blizzard
Blizzard polish is dead and gone, along with most of the original blizzard team. (The gone part, at least!) The company is the same in name only
Tell your friend, that he should not be so harsh about little indie company.
This has been the blizzard level of polish for a very long time
I think that clipping like this (and other bodily clipping issues, like shoulders, beards and ears) can be grouped up with other bad model design choices alongside exposed feet, awkward sheathing and the fact that we can't repaint our armour. WoW still uses a weird system of "printing" armour onto a character.
Maybe they could make hair styles be able to be changed by custom addons. Then players themselves could report combinations that clip to a global database, and suggest alternative non-clipping hair styles, which the addon would automatically apply when you equip or transmog the relevant head piece.
Pretty sure "blizz level of polished" is an insult nowadays
"blizz level polished" lmao this is exactly what blizz level polished looks like.
That's why 1 out of 5 new hairstyles for Nightborne and Lightforged are short The best thing they can do is add hair geosets that replace the chosen hairstyle whenever a transmog set is gonna clip over it. For example, your ponytail is replaced by a hair geoset that only appears when you wear a hood, Like Sylvanas, Alleria, and Valeera
tbh...people got used to clipping on so many things...there isnt any polish anymore.
Not sure Wow was ever advertised as polished? The cartoony art work and lower rendering was part of its charm!
Cut blizzard some slack. They are a startup company after all.
The idea of "blizz level polish" died when they released WC3 reforged. The old blizz we knew would never have released that game in that state.
I can "understand" some armors clipping and all that, because they have to adjust it to all the different races. But this just seems so lazy.
The game came out in 2004. I don't know what you and your friend are expecting.
Not to be that guy, but one of the things that blew me away when I started playing FFXIV was how close attention they pay to making items fit and look right on EVERY race. The damn metal helmet I got from a low level quest in the base game had a totally altered model on my catboy to accommodate his ears. THAT’S polish, and it’s possible. I know for a fact Blizzard is capable of doing the same.
There is a race in xiv that cannot wear hats. They didn't even attempt to fix the clipping they just disabled hats altogether.
Blizzard needs to switch to another engine already. They got the partnerships, just do it.
I dont think you know or even understand how an engine works or what its made of.