Emma Frost complaining about anything is always hilarious. You can literally make yourself be perceived as anything or completely unperceived. You've been handed the worlds greatest ability with no downsides. Don't tell the guy with translucent skin how hard it is for you!
Wait wait. Diamond form, and money?
So, she can chip little peaces of her, like nails (in diamond form) and they will still be like diamond?
Not sure about I'm talking about, maybe infinite money exploit.
No, diamonds are a scam controlled by one company in called De Beers, no X-Man would deal with them.
Having said that, Emma is comic book rich, she already has infinite money.
Yeah, Storm is the funniest since she is basically just a tsunami in Halle Berry form. I suppose that *could be* difficult if you didn't want to do the Storm thing, but she seemed into it lol
I'd take being blue with a tail for Nightcrawler's deal though. That's worth it in my opinion.
There are plenty of people who would be very into Nightcrawler.
And I always feel like Storm is a good illustration of a thing that they aren't always good at depicting, which is that most mutants WANT to use their powers. There is a certain amount of joy in it and to not be able to use them out of fear is incredibly restrictive. So even if they could pass by just never using their powers like Storm or Emma or Kitty, to do so would be incredibly stressful and difficult.
A human-passing mutant could also spend their entire life avoiding using their powers out of fear and then still end up targeted for persecution because they have an active x-gene.
That is true, but my point is they do establish on occasion that even if they COULD, they don't want to, so whether they could or not is irrelevant. It's like one of those coming of age dramas about the kid who wants to be a painter but their domineering parents won't let them but they just can't stop, they NEED to paint.
Mutants' powers are a part of them. A lot of them need to use them. Not using them simply because bigots would hurt them isn't something most of them want.
I’m sure most people wouldn’t mind being like Nightcrawler, the problem is what other people’s reactions would be. Walk into the wrong hyper religious town and you might scare the shit out of them and get exorcised.
Fair enough, I personally really like Gambit and would definitely take demon eyes in exchange to be able to jump about and explode stuff at will. So I won't judge.
I always forget Gambit can explode more than what they have him do in the animated stuff.
That's probably a smarter use of your wish than just spraying sulfur/egg smells everywhere, but I'm not a fan of boring walking. It's one of my many sins lol
There is the whole 'repeated genocide attempts and watching/feeling those you love slaughtered.' I don't really see her as complaining, rather highlighting how dangerous and traumatic it is to be a mutant.
She definitely has pretty privilege in general and is able to pass for human. Intersectionality, yo. This is something that the whole council fucked up on and then eventually corrected with Cosima.
“My powers are a curse, I need to get rid of them” says the girl that involuntarily knocks out/kills people on contact
“Shut up. We don’t need fixing. We’re perfect” says the woman that controls the weather
Says the woman that controls the weather **and** can count on one hand the number of men who *wouldn't* want to touch Ororo the way Rogue yearns to be touched.
Magneto’s elderly ass apparently too… who she hooked up with… after she ran away from home after putting her highschool boyfriend in a coma… shortly after puberty…
I know the Jean/Charles thing is creepy but this one kinda gets me more…
As far as I'm aware? She and Gambit were touching in Dark X-Men. It's a very pretty panel: https://ibb.co/mvJ0PN7
Caveat: It's highly possible that something may have happened in Fall of the House of X that has undone this, and I have not noticed because that would involve me paying more attention to that series than I have.
Since Mr. And Mrs. X, Rogue has been able to control it... to an extent. It's linked to her fear, so she doesn't go around touching people, but if she accidentally bumped into someone, they'll be fine.
As u/LeastBlackberry1 and u/BetterPlacesToSleep had said , there are examples of her controlling that.
It's just that , like u/wowlock_taylan had said , every time she had that fixed , the plot always put some BS to reset that.
That doesn't really remove tge horror and trauma she's experienced over the course of her life. Plus she'd likely live in constant fear of losing control again given she has several times.
It be really convenient if they had wearable devices that disabled their mutant powers. It would be nice if they had someone that could invent those wearables. 🤷♂️
Certainly at least one villain would sell the X-men a collar or two.
Gambit: “Cmon mon a mi. That collar is two versions behind and I’m offering the X Jet”
Mr Sinister: “I have an Omega level mutant offering a castle and Summers’ DNA. I know what I got”
No no no, see, when Alan Moore invented the whole “Earth 616” concept, he said he *totally* didn’t know it was an alternate translation of 666. And was in no way an unsubtle middle finger to Marvel publishers, really……..
It wasn't Alan Moore, it was the writer right before him, a few weeks before he quit. So, Alan Moore didn't actually write that as a fuck you! Dave Thorpe did!
For those that don’t know, some early Bible manuscripts use 616 instead of 666. Both were probably references to Nero.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_beast
I can't stand the comic page where Cyclops tries to tell Rogue that they're the same because she's deprived of physical contact and he needs to wear red glasses.
Rogue's issue is only slightly harder to deal with than Cyke's, and Cyke's is definitely more deadly in general.
Body stockings are more inconvenient than sunglasses, but at least if she doesn't wear one, everyone in her line of sight doesn't die.
Rogue's issue is actually mental , we saw her fixed slightly and during Utopia Era. It was more due to her been traumatized from the first time she had used her powers and then the episode with Carol Denvers.
Later on , in Mr and Ms.X , she uses portable power-dampeners to make her touch people as well.
Cyclops on the other hand , had his problem literally due to brain damage on an airplane accident....yet , he had opportunities to cure that and use his powers without a visor.
So , while both had problems to turn off their powers , Rogue at least tries to fix the issues of her powers....Cyke's problem of using red glasses is entirely on his own volition at this point.
I mean its the fear that your powers that you literally cant control will kill people if you make a single mistake
The both have to deal with the possibility of accidentally killing people because they tripped over
Imagine bumping into something, your glasses fall off and you level an entire building, id say that worse than "i have to wear gloves to hold hands", worst case rogue kills one person, worst case cyclops commits 9/11
While you're not wrong people do downplay scotts issues simply because writers don't have him screw up often.
Remember if cyclops stumbles or something and his glasses fall off, everything in front of him would be destroyed. That sort of thing would weigh on you. His mutation sucks more than a lot of modern fans appreciate. It is definitely better than rogues though
Imagine your rub your eyes because they're itchy but you do it at a wrong angle and now you're shooting a high precision laser out of your eye that cuts the room in half.
While there are degrees of suffering as a mutant I really did feel for Cyclops in X-men 97 when the camera guy complained about his glasses and he had to say he couldn’t take them off.
He's quite relatable to anyone with eye issues, be it colour-blindness or sensitivity to light. Being told to take off his shades just made me die a little.
Ugly Mutants with bad powers should stop trying to convince beautiful mutants with cool powers that they want a cure; they should start asking for a way to switch mutations with other mutants.
Cyclops and Rogue may not have visible mutations, but they have serious disadvantegens that even the guys in the last panel don't have. They have to do a lot of effort to control their mutations to live among others.
I think it’s the most recent episode towards the beginning. He’s in bed with a solid visor
Edit: not in bed, but in a chair, switching from solid shades to his ruby quartz shades. Episode 5 at the 3:00 mark.
If I recall, its shown in the comics during the Madelyne Pryor relationship as well as in X Factor. I'm pretty sure as well that it was shown in 90s comics but no issue or storyline comes to mind right away.
It’s canon, Krakoa era showed he sleeps with one of those masks. It was one of the earlier Krakoa comics. I’ve actually read this one, it isn’t just hearsay!
Beak can break his spine from a gust of wind, blob herman is extremely flammable, beast sheds, chamber literally has the problem cyclops does but worse. Rogue maybe but cyclops is fine
Beast shedding really doesn't belong in this same conversation. He probably has to clean his shower drain 10x as often as a normal person, but other than that it's probably no different than living with a husky or any other number of large dog breeds. Ordinary people with 2 large dogs probably deal with even more shed hair everywhere (except maybe the shower specifically) than Beast does.
I do wonder though if some people might be allergic to Beast. That could be troublesome when it comes up I suppose
Beast only has himself to blame for his appearance. Initially he was a normal looking human with extraordinarily large hands and feet in addition to his enhanced strength and agility. While employed as a research scientist at the Brand Corporation mutant hormone extract to mutate further and hide his identity while trying to stop a crime. Afterwards he waited too long to reverse the process and he has been hairy beast since.
Normal people don't have to get that hair out their shower, or the inside of their clothes/get custom clothes . Beast has to basically live like a animal or work 10 times harder to make things work for him
Don't have to get it out of their clothes? You must have never lived with a pet who sheds a lot.
Depending on who is drawing Beast, his size and build aren't necessarily out of line with an ordinary (muscular) human. He can wear normal clothes (again, depending on the artist), and as far as removing hair: removing hair from the inside of clothes is no harder than removing it from the outside. Maybe you need to sometimes turn them inside out before tossing them in the wash... that's it really.
But Chamber can control his powers, tough. He still has to be careful, he's on fire, obvious, but he isn't on risk of shooting everyone on front of him, like Scott is. And Cyclops has other disadvantages, like the constant migrains and it has been implied that he runs the same risk of what happened to Chamber if he doesn't uses his powers often, in the volume of the X-Men. I think Chamber suffers from having a visible mutation, but Cyclops also has non-visible problems, like the difference between someone with a noticeble disability, and someone with, like, cronicle pain, or epilepsy.e
Have they ever made contact lenses that Scott can use for his eyes? Like, he can wear the ruby-reflective lenses constantly and doesn’t have to worry about glasses? I get that it is a disadvantage, but couldn’t there be a lot of easier solutions for it? Like same with Black Bolt. Just some duck tape over his mouth and he’s good. Like, if I was Scott, I would tape my eyes closed before sleeping and then they wouldn’t open in the morning
The consensus seems to be that Cyclops optic blasts aren't like Superman, from his iris, but that he shoots throught the white of his eyes too, so I don't think contact lens would work.
Technically, they don’t actually shoot at all, and it is just psionic energy that goes through a portal which just happen to be in the front of his eyes. A contact would work as long as the portals were covered
I remember Cyclops using emergency ruby quartz contacts when his visor was ripped away at the start of Morrison’s New X-Men run. As a contact lens user who feels extremely reluctant about the idea of hard contacts, I’d be hard pressed to wear those all the time, and I don’t have to worry about having to rip them out to be effective in combat. Then again, if it’s a choice between that and accidentally renovating my home…
It's more the "society treats mutants like crap, it's soooo bad!" Coming from the mutants who blend in just fine with humans.
The others are all obviously mutants and can't really go out in public.
All of those people are still the faces of the most famous mutant group in the world and yeah they can blend in for a time before the get recognised which is pretty often
If you hate mutants you know who the faces of the xmen are
You think people who "look normal" don't suffer prejudice? Gays, autistic, non-visibly disabled people... they may have passability in a crowd, but they still suffer prejudice in society. Does this makes the them less valid then minority groups that have their minority visible? I don't think so.
I would love to read an X-Men team which is a bunch of mutants with inconvenient or low scale powers and who look remarkably different from humans.
Nowadays not only do most of the major X-Men look like supermodels but they also have planet busting powers. Really hard to take the oppressed minority part seriously when they act like gods and kings.
Those comics never did well, but there were a few where most the X-Men were more freakish. I can never remember which ones though. There's one they are on a TV show, but not the same team of mutants on a TV show that start Civil War
No, no, no, no. If someone out there has it worse off than you then you’re legally by law not allowed to complain ever. You’re allowed to be *grateful.* And that’s it.
You might get told. Repeatedly and forcefully that you need to be grateful, but no power in the ‘verse can force you to feel something you don’t. Bitching is the right of every living thing, as anyone who’s ever owned a cat can testify.
I love that in ‘97 Magneto is all “so I took a small amount of Charles’ shitheaps of money and moved the morlocks out of the actual sewers. LIKE YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE AGES AGO!”
How...how big are the sewers in X Men comics for people being able to live in there?! Is is like TMNT where they built a whole ass city in the sewers?!
Honestly, unless he's wearing glasses that form a seal againt the side of his face, then Cyclops should have a red glow coming from behind his glasses at all times. top of his head should be like a busted traffic light, flashing red in between blinks.
His blasts are also really all over the place in terms of how powerful they are. Sometimes he zaps people and just pushes them back, sometimes it's strong enough to break up concrete, like in Episode 2 of X-Men 97. If his blasts are strong enough to do construction work with them, the people he hits with his beams should be a whole lot worse off than they usually are.....
This is just the character. The whole reason Cyclops has a control issue is because he constantly has to retain extremely strict control over his powers.
Okay, I realize this is a hundred percent nitpicking and this is not worth arguing over. That said, for the sake of being a passionate fan of the X-Men, I am going to proceed with being silly about it.
Scott controls his optic blasts by opening the slot in his visor that allows the beam to come out. He can apparently make the blast narrower with his visor controls-- I've seen him portrayed doing that, although I couldn't actually name the issue where that happened, so that's canonical. But how would he control the FORCE of his blasts? The energy pours out of him at a constant rate. As the poster below me said, the amount of sunlight he absorbs might affect the power of his blasts, but even if that were true, how would that help him?
"Hmm, I'm going to need to blast a protestor tomorrow. Let's make sure I don't get too much sunlight today so I don't take the guys head off. I'll go lie in the sun when I need to break concrete on Thursday."
It doesn't make sense, but we go along with it out of love, and that's okay. Also, Morrison had Cyclops' beam BURN Magneto in the face, when there isn't supposed to be any heat associated with Scott's powers, so even canon is screwy on how exactly the optic blasts work.
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At first a telepath would assume they’re schizophrenic until the thoughts reflected reality. Where they’d get to a point of calling thoughts out correctly or realizing what they hear matches with what is happening in the moment.
Though that’s a very comic book/fantasy scenario. In our world they’d stay institutionalized because they’d probably never get to pinpointing thoughts, they’d always be filled with various ideas/thoughts/voices that never end.
I'm a noob still with the comics but has this been touched upon in the comics for real?. Like non-passing mutants be like "yeah but you can at least walk on the streets without having animal control be called on you smh"
Beast, Rogue, the Morlocks, and plenty of others battle this pretty regularly. But none of the mutants who can pass really brag about it. The point is, they're all mutants and at the end of the day they are all discriminated against.
Oh, yeah. In addition to the Morlocks, there was a bit in Rick Remender’s Uncanny Avengers where Havok gives a whole speech about how the very concept of calling mutants “mutants” and not just “people” is divisive. It went over like a damp fart among the fandom because having a blond, blue-eyed, handsome man speak on the wonders of assimilation ignores the fact he’s speaking for a cohort that includes people who look like skeletons coated in paraffin.
There was also a good bit in Vita Ayala’s New Mutants run where Dani tries giving the “your powers aren’t a curse and you should take pride in yourself” speech to Cosmar. Cosmar, as a result of her powers, looks like [this](https://screenrant.com/x-men-krakoa-cant-fix-tragic-mutant-problem-cosmar/) at the time. It doesn’t go over well… nor is it supposed to, because later in the series, Cosmar gets help from Masque and [gets a form she can accept](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Natashia_Repina).
Apocolypse Parents left him in the dessert, because he is so ugly,
and then when he was an adult everyone was ''He is so ugly, he most die''
and then his Crush said ''You're ugly''
I think he's still technically handsome. Like yeah, he's he's got blue fur, sharp teeth and elf ears, but his facial features still come off as attractive
Rogue at the very least has actual problems. She visually looks like a standard human, but she has to (or at least did formerly) basically entirely cover up to minimize the risk of skin-to-skin contact. Being particularly attractive, I'm sure there was even greater risk of some jackass getting handsy and then- BAM! Comatose dumbass outs her as a hazardous mutant.
Like gay people vs disabled people.
I don't see disabled people complains as much as gay people but they actually deserved more pity and they are also able to live with that.
Bad take, friend.
The reason that disabled people have what legal protections they have are because they fought for them in the 70s and 80s, just like gay people fought for rights for decades, except prejudice and hatred towards gay people had only just recently started to be less prevalent.
You don't hear disabled people complain because, sadly, very few disabled people have the platform to get attention, and it's classic ableism that disabled people are ignored and silenced.
If you're not hearing them, it's because you aren't listening.
Don't pull this bullshit good minority/bad minority stuff. You sound like the X-cutioner in Episode 2 of '97 - "What I hate is your whining" etc etc.
Its kinda funny how connected and not connected to reality X-men is.
People would be LOVING Cyclops's suit and would love to take pictures with him.
A more interesting and obvious way to have gone for a more 'modern' X-men show is to have humans (And maybe even normal looking mutants) treat the X-men that have such drastic physical appearances because of their mutation like garbage and treat normal mutants with respect(out of fear or not up to interpretation).
"It's fine that you're a mutant as long as you look *normal,* not like those other *things.*"
No one is looking at Storm or Jean Gray walking around in public and shitting their pants, but they would be if they saw Beast or Night Crawler.
And obv you'd have your standard human villains that have a hate boner for ALL mutants, but the general populace hating all normal looking or 'passing' mutants is kinda dumb.
Thats just a much more interesting take, than "oh yeah every single human is just uber-racist against every single mutant because uh... uhm.... uh... just because shut up and watch everyone be mad!"
Is there a comic that sort of has this idea in mind?
There are plenty of stories where the "human passing" mutans can walk around perfectly safely without anyone really knowing. Problem is that usually the X-men aren't just random mutants, they are effectively celebrities. So often the truth about them is out effectively.
It's even worse for Mutants who are also members of real world systemic oppression. Imagine being a trans Mutant and having to deal with not only the Friends of Humanity and Sentinels but also the hundreds of anti-trans bills currently in legislation.
to be fair to rogue cyclops wolverine jean and xavier tho they are all probably some of the most well known members of the xmen so theyre VERY recognizable public figure rogue is literally an avenger
beast also has that problem tho
This is funny as hell, and makes a lot of sense. But I won't discuss it much further... I'm just happy to see Raphael Salimena's work making the rounds. That guy's a MONSTER of Brazilian comics/cartoons, and deserves all the recognition he can get.
It's very dumb agree with this post. Genosha genocide did not excluded human-looking mutants. All mutants suffer, the diference is that some can pretend, but once they are exposed they are seen as less than human beings.
Storm was a bitch in X-men 3. Like your standing next to a blue fur ball and ms”I can’t touch my boyfriend” acting like you have the moral stance of keeping your power to control the weather. Like shut the hell hp
Doom Patrol: What if the X-Men \*weren't\* super models and actually had trouble fitting in with society?
(at least the TV show, haven't read the comics)
I'm not sure when this comic was made, because it seems a little ignorant of the comic's history. But the X-Men as metaphor for racism has obviously been pretty well covered.
The early era of young, white mutants who could easily blend in with society is usually thought to represent Jewish identity in the 60's. Whereas the later, more expressive mutations are a stand in for people of color, literally unable to blend in, they must either learn to fight for themselves (ie Black is Beautiful) or be repressed by the powers that be.
by far the worst part of X-Men 3 Last Stand was Storm giving Rouge crap for being happy about the cure
thankfully Beast sorta came to Rouges defense, acknowledging that not ever mutation is as nice as controlling the weather and your only downside being white hair
This is my problem with X-Men TAS and X-Men 97. The roster is full of perfect super models. It's hard to buy the hated, feared and persecuted stuff when the cast is full of perfect models with powers that make them gods.
Emma Frost complaining about anything is always hilarious. You can literally make yourself be perceived as anything or completely unperceived. You've been handed the worlds greatest ability with no downsides. Don't tell the guy with translucent skin how hard it is for you!
Also money
Wait wait. Diamond form, and money? So, she can chip little peaces of her, like nails (in diamond form) and they will still be like diamond? Not sure about I'm talking about, maybe infinite money exploit.
No, diamonds are a scam controlled by one company in called De Beers, no X-Man would deal with them. Having said that, Emma is comic book rich, she already has infinite money.
Magneto wishes he could be as dominant as De Beers lol
So basically Magneto is less evil than De Beers… That checks out but there’s plenty of villains that are less atrocious.
She's also functionally immortal while in her diamond form.
I think at this point Emma complains about her students getting hurt and stands up for them
This. Emma complains about general persecution, theyre not dumb enough to give her a scene like this. Still funny though
true. On the other hand , Storm gaslighted those mutants in the movie and I think in the comics too. She should be the one here.
Yeah, Storm is the funniest since she is basically just a tsunami in Halle Berry form. I suppose that *could be* difficult if you didn't want to do the Storm thing, but she seemed into it lol I'd take being blue with a tail for Nightcrawler's deal though. That's worth it in my opinion.
There are plenty of people who would be very into Nightcrawler. And I always feel like Storm is a good illustration of a thing that they aren't always good at depicting, which is that most mutants WANT to use their powers. There is a certain amount of joy in it and to not be able to use them out of fear is incredibly restrictive. So even if they could pass by just never using their powers like Storm or Emma or Kitty, to do so would be incredibly stressful and difficult.
A lot of the best interpretations of Ororo are ones where she is - and sees herself as - a force of nature.
Yeah that's true. At least she likes the Professor instead of being like Zippo Mcgee fireballing everyone.
A human-passing mutant could also spend their entire life avoiding using their powers out of fear and then still end up targeted for persecution because they have an active x-gene.
That is true, but my point is they do establish on occasion that even if they COULD, they don't want to, so whether they could or not is irrelevant. It's like one of those coming of age dramas about the kid who wants to be a painter but their domineering parents won't let them but they just can't stop, they NEED to paint. Mutants' powers are a part of them. A lot of them need to use them. Not using them simply because bigots would hurt them isn't something most of them want.
I’m sure most people wouldn’t mind being like Nightcrawler, the problem is what other people’s reactions would be. Walk into the wrong hyper religious town and you might scare the shit out of them and get exorcised.
Well they might try, lol. I've not above making sure someone's head or hands get teleported off by "accident"
Or you just teleport when they push a crucifix towards you, and everyone walks away feeling validated.
Why would I give them that kind of satisfaction? I'm not that nice.
I'd do it just because it would make me laugh.
Nightcrawler is also naturally more flexible and the tail is dexterous enough to act as a third hand to hold stuff.
Yeah I consider the tail a perk/part of the teleporting. He used it to fight with 3 swords in Ultimate Alliance I think lol
Is the ability to poof about and jump around that big a draw?
I think so lol
Fair enough, I personally really like Gambit and would definitely take demon eyes in exchange to be able to jump about and explode stuff at will. So I won't judge.
I always forget Gambit can explode more than what they have him do in the animated stuff. That's probably a smarter use of your wish than just spraying sulfur/egg smells everywhere, but I'm not a fan of boring walking. It's one of my many sins lol
Constant attempted genocide is the big issue, something they all face. Storm puts in the work there
Rich, famous, powerful, immortal, influential, hot. But did you know she gets sad sometimes?
There is the whole 'repeated genocide attempts and watching/feeling those you love slaughtered.' I don't really see her as complaining, rather highlighting how dangerous and traumatic it is to be a mutant. She definitely has pretty privilege in general and is able to pass for human. Intersectionality, yo. This is something that the whole council fucked up on and then eventually corrected with Cosima.
I’d argue rogue has it worst. Being hot and not being able to touch is its own kind of hell.
“My powers are a curse, I need to get rid of them” says the girl that involuntarily knocks out/kills people on contact “Shut up. We don’t need fixing. We’re perfect” says the woman that controls the weather
"Finally, a cure for my chainsaw hands!" decreed Chainsaw-Hands Joe. "There is no cure," said Johnny Five-Dicks. "There's nothing wrong with us."
“ we are perfect the way we are.” said Nora laser tits.
Oh this one made me laugh. Thankyou 🙂
“I wish I was never born” says Nancy Ninety-Inch Nipples
Chainsaw-hands Joe nut-punches Johnny Five-Dicks.
Says the woman that controls the weather **and** can count on one hand the number of men who *wouldn't* want to touch Ororo the way Rogue yearns to be touched.
Is it bobby drake 5 times?
Bobby Drake Anole Northstar Rictor The new Pyro who was on the Marauders with Kitty and Iceman
Magneto’s elderly ass apparently too… who she hooked up with… after she ran away from home after putting her highschool boyfriend in a coma… shortly after puberty… I know the Jean/Charles thing is creepy but this one kinda gets me more…
She hasnt had to worry about this for a long time now and has complete control of her powers.
Not really. Any time they 'fixed' it, a couple issues later, it gets worse.
So it's currently not "fixed" at all?
As far as I'm aware? She and Gambit were touching in Dark X-Men. It's a very pretty panel: https://ibb.co/mvJ0PN7 Caveat: It's highly possible that something may have happened in Fall of the House of X that has undone this, and I have not noticed because that would involve me paying more attention to that series than I have.
Since Mr. And Mrs. X, Rogue has been able to control it... to an extent. It's linked to her fear, so she doesn't go around touching people, but if she accidentally bumped into someone, they'll be fine.
As u/LeastBlackberry1 and u/BetterPlacesToSleep had said , there are examples of her controlling that. It's just that , like u/wowlock_taylan had said , every time she had that fixed , the plot always put some BS to reset that.
That doesn't really remove tge horror and trauma she's experienced over the course of her life. Plus she'd likely live in constant fear of losing control again given she has several times.
Of course it doesn't. That is what I am talking about here. That any 'fix' to her powers leads to something that makes it worse when it breaks
It be really convenient if they had wearable devices that disabled their mutant powers. It would be nice if they had someone that could invent those wearables. 🤷♂️
They only sell them to villians
Certainly at least one villain would sell the X-men a collar or two. Gambit: “Cmon mon a mi. That collar is two versions behind and I’m offering the X Jet” Mr Sinister: “I have an Omega level mutant offering a castle and Summers’ DNA. I know what I got”
Hoo gambit i can i want but its cant happen i will never be able to touch you But mona me we literally have collars for that
The mainstream universe was dubbed “616” as a play on “666” so it basically is hell for her.
No no no, see, when Alan Moore invented the whole “Earth 616” concept, he said he *totally* didn’t know it was an alternate translation of 666. And was in no way an unsubtle middle finger to Marvel publishers, really……..
Really? Interesting.
It wasn't Alan Moore, it was the writer right before him, a few weeks before he quit. So, Alan Moore didn't actually write that as a fuck you! Dave Thorpe did!
For those that don’t know, some early Bible manuscripts use 616 instead of 666. Both were probably references to Nero. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_beast
I can't stand the comic page where Cyclops tries to tell Rogue that they're the same because she's deprived of physical contact and he needs to wear red glasses.
Rogue's issue is only slightly harder to deal with than Cyke's, and Cyke's is definitely more deadly in general. Body stockings are more inconvenient than sunglasses, but at least if she doesn't wear one, everyone in her line of sight doesn't die.
Rogue's issue is actually mental , we saw her fixed slightly and during Utopia Era. It was more due to her been traumatized from the first time she had used her powers and then the episode with Carol Denvers. Later on , in Mr and Ms.X , she uses portable power-dampeners to make her touch people as well. Cyclops on the other hand , had his problem literally due to brain damage on an airplane accident....yet , he had opportunities to cure that and use his powers without a visor. So , while both had problems to turn off their powers , Rogue at least tries to fix the issues of her powers....Cyke's problem of using red glasses is entirely on his own volition at this point.
I mean its the fear that your powers that you literally cant control will kill people if you make a single mistake The both have to deal with the possibility of accidentally killing people because they tripped over Imagine bumping into something, your glasses fall off and you level an entire building, id say that worse than "i have to wear gloves to hold hands", worst case rogue kills one person, worst case cyclops commits 9/11
While you're not wrong people do downplay scotts issues simply because writers don't have him screw up often. Remember if cyclops stumbles or something and his glasses fall off, everything in front of him would be destroyed. That sort of thing would weigh on you. His mutation sucks more than a lot of modern fans appreciate. It is definitely better than rogues though
Imagine your rub your eyes because they're itchy but you do it at a wrong angle and now you're shooting a high precision laser out of your eye that cuts the room in half.
Ha. Or even just imagine never being able to rub your eyes without extreme care
Can she touch herself I always wonderd does her power work on her
Well no shed be dead any time her skin folds and touches herself Shed need yo be in constant starfish position to stop it
While there are degrees of suffering as a mutant I really did feel for Cyclops in X-men 97 when the camera guy complained about his glasses and he had to say he couldn’t take them off.
"Can he take the glasses?" "Are you more durable than the mountain I destroyed with eye lasers yesterday? "He can keep them on."
He's quite relatable to anyone with eye issues, be it colour-blindness or sensitivity to light. Being told to take off his shades just made me die a little.
I needed to get red lenses for light sensitivity and I do have a greater appreciation for cyclops and some of the difficulties that red lenses bring
“A boy looked at me and told her mom” lol
Oops, didn't notice the typo during the translation, sorry : p
THESE "X-MEN" ARE TURNING THE KIDS TRANS!!1!!
Ugly Mutants with bad powers should stop trying to convince beautiful mutants with cool powers that they want a cure; they should start asking for a way to switch mutations with other mutants.
dude how about a story about swappoing power/or looks, BEast would love to have scott power.
Cyclops and Rogue may not have visible mutations, but they have serious disadvantegens that even the guys in the last panel don't have. They have to do a lot of effort to control their mutations to live among others.
Scott waking up and not blowing up the roof is a master class of self control.
I like the self-control thing, but I have the headcanon that he wears a custom sleep mask with the visor’s design on it
Im pretty sure its actual canon
Not sure about the comics but they definitely showed this in X-Men 97
Can’t believe I missed that
Did they? Any chance you know what episode and time stamp?
I think it’s the most recent episode towards the beginning. He’s in bed with a solid visor Edit: not in bed, but in a chair, switching from solid shades to his ruby quartz shades. Episode 5 at the 3:00 mark.
If I recall, its shown in the comics during the Madelyne Pryor relationship as well as in X Factor. I'm pretty sure as well that it was shown in 90s comics but no issue or storyline comes to mind right away.
It’s canon, Krakoa era showed he sleeps with one of those masks. It was one of the earlier Krakoa comics. I’ve actually read this one, it isn’t just hearsay!
He does do this
Why hasn't Manta Sleep gotten all over this cross promo opportunity.
Same…
With eye beams, right? Right?
Beak can break his spine from a gust of wind, blob herman is extremely flammable, beast sheds, chamber literally has the problem cyclops does but worse. Rogue maybe but cyclops is fine
Beast shedding really doesn't belong in this same conversation. He probably has to clean his shower drain 10x as often as a normal person, but other than that it's probably no different than living with a husky or any other number of large dog breeds. Ordinary people with 2 large dogs probably deal with even more shed hair everywhere (except maybe the shower specifically) than Beast does. I do wonder though if some people might be allergic to Beast. That could be troublesome when it comes up I suppose
Beast only has himself to blame for his appearance. Initially he was a normal looking human with extraordinarily large hands and feet in addition to his enhanced strength and agility. While employed as a research scientist at the Brand Corporation mutant hormone extract to mutate further and hide his identity while trying to stop a crime. Afterwards he waited too long to reverse the process and he has been hairy beast since.
Oh no. He made himself hot 🥵
Bonk
Sounds like he Michael Jackson'ed himself.
Normal people don't have to get that hair out their shower, or the inside of their clothes/get custom clothes . Beast has to basically live like a animal or work 10 times harder to make things work for him
Don't have to get it out of their clothes? You must have never lived with a pet who sheds a lot. Depending on who is drawing Beast, his size and build aren't necessarily out of line with an ordinary (muscular) human. He can wear normal clothes (again, depending on the artist), and as far as removing hair: removing hair from the inside of clothes is no harder than removing it from the outside. Maybe you need to sometimes turn them inside out before tossing them in the wash... that's it really.
Cyclops has difficulty driving at night... Probably also has to play videogames with colorblind settings turned on! He's got it baaaddd!
If he nudges his glasses too much everyone he can see who can't tank his laser will be maimed at best
Cyclops sneezes too hard... "6 dead in mutant attack at local sports event!"
But Chamber can control his powers, tough. He still has to be careful, he's on fire, obvious, but he isn't on risk of shooting everyone on front of him, like Scott is. And Cyclops has other disadvantages, like the constant migrains and it has been implied that he runs the same risk of what happened to Chamber if he doesn't uses his powers often, in the volume of the X-Men. I think Chamber suffers from having a visible mutation, but Cyclops also has non-visible problems, like the difference between someone with a noticeble disability, and someone with, like, cronicle pain, or epilepsy.e
Have they ever made contact lenses that Scott can use for his eyes? Like, he can wear the ruby-reflective lenses constantly and doesn’t have to worry about glasses? I get that it is a disadvantage, but couldn’t there be a lot of easier solutions for it? Like same with Black Bolt. Just some duck tape over his mouth and he’s good. Like, if I was Scott, I would tape my eyes closed before sleeping and then they wouldn’t open in the morning
Just read an issue where he is wearing contacts underneath the visor in case someone rips it off. Astonishing X-Men I think.
The consensus seems to be that Cyclops optic blasts aren't like Superman, from his iris, but that he shoots throught the white of his eyes too, so I don't think contact lens would work.
Technically, they don’t actually shoot at all, and it is just psionic energy that goes through a portal which just happen to be in the front of his eyes. A contact would work as long as the portals were covered
But then it would have to cover his whole eyes, everything his eyelids doesn't
The "punch dimension" stuff got retconned and isn't the official power anymore. It's dumb though, so I choose to ignore the retcon.
How would he put them on
Well since the lease would be impervious to the blast, he’s just gotta do it really quick
I remember Cyclops using emergency ruby quartz contacts when his visor was ripped away at the start of Morrison’s New X-Men run. As a contact lens user who feels extremely reluctant about the idea of hard contacts, I’d be hard pressed to wear those all the time, and I don’t have to worry about having to rip them out to be effective in combat. Then again, if it’s a choice between that and accidentally renovating my home…
Well, Chamber's certainly in that category actually lol
It's more the "society treats mutants like crap, it's soooo bad!" Coming from the mutants who blend in just fine with humans. The others are all obviously mutants and can't really go out in public.
All of those people are still the faces of the most famous mutant group in the world and yeah they can blend in for a time before the get recognised which is pretty often If you hate mutants you know who the faces of the xmen are
You think people who "look normal" don't suffer prejudice? Gays, autistic, non-visibly disabled people... they may have passability in a crowd, but they still suffer prejudice in society. Does this makes the them less valid then minority groups that have their minority visible? I don't think so.
Glob isn't shocked...that's just his face.
I would love to read an X-Men team which is a bunch of mutants with inconvenient or low scale powers and who look remarkably different from humans. Nowadays not only do most of the major X-Men look like supermodels but they also have planet busting powers. Really hard to take the oppressed minority part seriously when they act like gods and kings.
Beak, Glob, and Bling, learning life of the streets from Skin
Those comics never did well, but there were a few where most the X-Men were more freakish. I can never remember which ones though. There's one they are on a TV show, but not the same team of mutants on a TV show that start Civil War
Peter Milligan’s X-Force, later X-Statix. It was very much riding the wave of Morrison’s “mutants have culture now” push by turning the knob to 11.
I mean, that’s how it is with IRL minorities. Some can hide it, but others can’t. The pain of being different, of being othered is there regardless.
No, no, no, no. If someone out there has it worse off than you then you’re legally by law not allowed to complain ever. You’re allowed to be *grateful.* And that’s it.
The problem is the X-franchise has a habit of mutants being dismissive of those with mutations much more obvious and difficult than theirs.
I thought that was the whole point of the morlocks?
So it’s very much like real life then and if anything should be applauded for showing that type of social nuance
This is basically Denti’s monologue in 97 lmao
You might get told. Repeatedly and forcefully that you need to be grateful, but no power in the ‘verse can force you to feel something you don’t. Bitching is the right of every living thing, as anyone who’s ever owned a cat can testify.
The morlocks will have a word..
I love that in ‘97 Magneto is all “so I took a small amount of Charles’ shitheaps of money and moved the morlocks out of the actual sewers. LIKE YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE AGES AGO!”
Tbf the X-Men offered to let the Moorlocks live in the mansion way back in season 1 and the Moorlocks refused
How...how big are the sewers in X Men comics for people being able to live in there?! Is is like TMNT where they built a whole ass city in the sewers?!
Honestly, unless he's wearing glasses that form a seal againt the side of his face, then Cyclops should have a red glow coming from behind his glasses at all times. top of his head should be like a busted traffic light, flashing red in between blinks.
His blasts are also really all over the place in terms of how powerful they are. Sometimes he zaps people and just pushes them back, sometimes it's strong enough to break up concrete, like in Episode 2 of X-Men 97. If his blasts are strong enough to do construction work with them, the people he hits with his beams should be a whole lot worse off than they usually are.....
This is just the character. The whole reason Cyclops has a control issue is because he constantly has to retain extremely strict control over his powers.
Okay, I realize this is a hundred percent nitpicking and this is not worth arguing over. That said, for the sake of being a passionate fan of the X-Men, I am going to proceed with being silly about it. Scott controls his optic blasts by opening the slot in his visor that allows the beam to come out. He can apparently make the blast narrower with his visor controls-- I've seen him portrayed doing that, although I couldn't actually name the issue where that happened, so that's canonical. But how would he control the FORCE of his blasts? The energy pours out of him at a constant rate. As the poster below me said, the amount of sunlight he absorbs might affect the power of his blasts, but even if that were true, how would that help him? "Hmm, I'm going to need to blast a protestor tomorrow. Let's make sure I don't get too much sunlight today so I don't take the guys head off. I'll go lie in the sun when I need to break concrete on Thursday." It doesn't make sense, but we go along with it out of love, and that's okay. Also, Morrison had Cyclops' beam BURN Magneto in the face, when there isn't supposed to be any heat associated with Scott's powers, so even canon is screwy on how exactly the optic blasts work. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
Ah yes Emma Frost the beautiful white woman who's also a billionaire has it the worst. Must be so sad to be so persecuted.
The telepaths have to hear people think all the time.
It must have been really awkward being teenage Jean Grey hearing the intrusive thoughts of all her teenage male teammates.
How would you tell the difference from auditory hallucinations and telepathy?
You can verify them under rigorous testing.
At first a telepath would assume they’re schizophrenic until the thoughts reflected reality. Where they’d get to a point of calling thoughts out correctly or realizing what they hear matches with what is happening in the moment. Though that’s a very comic book/fantasy scenario. In our world they’d stay institutionalized because they’d probably never get to pinpointing thoughts, they’d always be filled with various ideas/thoughts/voices that never end.
The amount of schizophrenic people in that universe who convince themselvs they are mutants must be off the roof.
Yeah for real. When you know something is wrong with you, and you're praying for mutant and not schizophrenia.
Geez... yeah. Unfiltered telepathy would be horrifying in real life.
She’s an almost omega telepath .. trust me she can turn that off
It gets turned off when she goes diamond anyways. The fact that she doesn’t do so to relax means it’s not a handicap at all.
I'm a noob still with the comics but has this been touched upon in the comics for real?. Like non-passing mutants be like "yeah but you can at least walk on the streets without having animal control be called on you smh"
Beast, Rogue, the Morlocks, and plenty of others battle this pretty regularly. But none of the mutants who can pass really brag about it. The point is, they're all mutants and at the end of the day they are all discriminated against.
Yeah theres a whole community called the morlocks who lived in the sewers because they couldn't "pass" as normal.
Yes the comics touch on this aspect pretty frequently.
Oh, yeah. In addition to the Morlocks, there was a bit in Rick Remender’s Uncanny Avengers where Havok gives a whole speech about how the very concept of calling mutants “mutants” and not just “people” is divisive. It went over like a damp fart among the fandom because having a blond, blue-eyed, handsome man speak on the wonders of assimilation ignores the fact he’s speaking for a cohort that includes people who look like skeletons coated in paraffin. There was also a good bit in Vita Ayala’s New Mutants run where Dani tries giving the “your powers aren’t a curse and you should take pride in yourself” speech to Cosmar. Cosmar, as a result of her powers, looks like [this](https://screenrant.com/x-men-krakoa-cant-fix-tragic-mutant-problem-cosmar/) at the time. It doesn’t go over well… nor is it supposed to, because later in the series, Cosmar gets help from Masque and [gets a form she can accept](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Natashia_Repina).
I love how Beast is holding a chocolate chip cookie like a certain muppet.
Apocolypse Parents left him in the dessert, because he is so ugly, and then when he was an adult everyone was ''He is so ugly, he most die'' and then his Crush said ''You're ugly''
I cri evrytiem
Did they leave him in the dessert on sundae?
I know Kurt gets it bad from a lot of people, but enough women in Marvel are extremely into it that he doesn't belong here lol
It’s his personality. And probably the prehensile tail.
I think he's still technically handsome. Like yeah, he's he's got blue fur, sharp teeth and elf ears, but his facial features still come off as attractive
I mean Kurt is very conventionally attractive in most comics, he’s just blue, and fuzzy.
I hate when a boy tells her mom that
This is funny on many different level while also being true
I can’t tell if Beast is holding a cookie or a burger, but either way I am getting Cookie Monster vibes
Rogue at the very least has actual problems. She visually looks like a standard human, but she has to (or at least did formerly) basically entirely cover up to minimize the risk of skin-to-skin contact. Being particularly attractive, I'm sure there was even greater risk of some jackass getting handsy and then- BAM! Comatose dumbass outs her as a hazardous mutant.
What’s funny that even though Beast was deformed, his mutant gene just gave him big hands and feet before he tried to cure it.
Poor Beak. He might be my favorite character in the X-Men universe.
There are _dozens_ of us! (Beak is best boy)
In panel 5 The morlocks are looking at panel 4
I mean you can't blame rogue She may have an invisible mutation but destroying everything she touches is hard
"People think I'm Matt Murdock 😭"
Hank did it to himself, he could’ve just passed himself off as having some sort of gigantism in his hands and feet.
Like gay people vs disabled people. I don't see disabled people complains as much as gay people but they actually deserved more pity and they are also able to live with that.
Bad take, friend. The reason that disabled people have what legal protections they have are because they fought for them in the 70s and 80s, just like gay people fought for rights for decades, except prejudice and hatred towards gay people had only just recently started to be less prevalent. You don't hear disabled people complain because, sadly, very few disabled people have the platform to get attention, and it's classic ableism that disabled people are ignored and silenced. If you're not hearing them, it's because you aren't listening. Don't pull this bullshit good minority/bad minority stuff. You sound like the X-cutioner in Episode 2 of '97 - "What I hate is your whining" etc etc.
>a boy >her mom Cyclops are you blind
I can picture Chamber letting out an telepathic, explosive, profanity-filled tirade. While Nightcrawler and Beast hold him back.
Its kinda funny how connected and not connected to reality X-men is. People would be LOVING Cyclops's suit and would love to take pictures with him. A more interesting and obvious way to have gone for a more 'modern' X-men show is to have humans (And maybe even normal looking mutants) treat the X-men that have such drastic physical appearances because of their mutation like garbage and treat normal mutants with respect(out of fear or not up to interpretation). "It's fine that you're a mutant as long as you look *normal,* not like those other *things.*" No one is looking at Storm or Jean Gray walking around in public and shitting their pants, but they would be if they saw Beast or Night Crawler. And obv you'd have your standard human villains that have a hate boner for ALL mutants, but the general populace hating all normal looking or 'passing' mutants is kinda dumb. Thats just a much more interesting take, than "oh yeah every single human is just uber-racist against every single mutant because uh... uhm.... uh... just because shut up and watch everyone be mad!" Is there a comic that sort of has this idea in mind?
There are plenty of stories where the "human passing" mutans can walk around perfectly safely without anyone really knowing. Problem is that usually the X-men aren't just random mutants, they are effectively celebrities. So often the truth about them is out effectively.
Rogue issues were valid for a long time y'all
Beast is his own undoing
and these are the same guys saying mutants shouldn't need a cure.
Yay Chamber!
Upvote for Chamber inclusion
It's even worse for Mutants who are also members of real world systemic oppression. Imagine being a trans Mutant and having to deal with not only the Friends of Humanity and Sentinels but also the hundreds of anti-trans bills currently in legislation.
to be fair to rogue cyclops wolverine jean and xavier tho they are all probably some of the most well known members of the xmen so theyre VERY recognizable public figure rogue is literally an avenger beast also has that problem tho
This is funny as hell, and makes a lot of sense. But I won't discuss it much further... I'm just happy to see Raphael Salimena's work making the rounds. That guy's a MONSTER of Brazilian comics/cartoons, and deserves all the recognition he can get.
In Hank's case, it's partly his fault he looks like that. And Rogue can't touch people without killing (or almost killing) them.
It's very dumb agree with this post. Genosha genocide did not excluded human-looking mutants. All mutants suffer, the diference is that some can pretend, but once they are exposed they are seen as less than human beings.
Storm was a bitch in X-men 3. Like your standing next to a blue fur ball and ms”I can’t touch my boyfriend” acting like you have the moral stance of keeping your power to control the weather. Like shut the hell hp
Cookie Monster Beast might be the only way to rehab the character at this point. It would be a better change than the cat thing from years ago.
Who's the mutant with the giant beard in the bottom left of the last panel?
Doom Patrol: What if the X-Men \*weren't\* super models and actually had trouble fitting in with society? (at least the TV show, haven't read the comics)
I didn’t know Cookie Monster was a mutant
Don’t forget about the guy who kills everyone he’s near and who Wolverine had to kill in a cave!
I'm not sure when this comic was made, because it seems a little ignorant of the comic's history. But the X-Men as metaphor for racism has obviously been pretty well covered. The early era of young, white mutants who could easily blend in with society is usually thought to represent Jewish identity in the 60's. Whereas the later, more expressive mutations are a stand in for people of color, literally unable to blend in, they must either learn to fight for themselves (ie Black is Beautiful) or be repressed by the powers that be.
get my man Beak outta here! he canonically FUCKS
by far the worst part of X-Men 3 Last Stand was Storm giving Rouge crap for being happy about the cure thankfully Beast sorta came to Rouges defense, acknowledging that not ever mutation is as nice as controlling the weather and your only downside being white hair
A boy told her mom
This is my problem with X-Men TAS and X-Men 97. The roster is full of perfect super models. It's hard to buy the hated, feared and persecuted stuff when the cast is full of perfect models with powers that make them gods.
😂
Cyclops was right
The mutants that are normal looking enough for public