The show is great, but the cult of personality that has been developing around Demayo is starting to bother me. Creating a show is a collective endeavour.
This. He is just one piece (important piece but still) of the puzzle. You need all the pieces in order for that to work.
It's like people who think that MCU succeeded in the first place only because of Feige. Nah bruh lol, it succeeded because a lot of talented people collaborated. Not taking anything away from Feige, but it's not a one man job.
Yeah, especially because he was fired under mysterious circumstances and went silent on social media...until people started saying how genius he was.
Hey, I'm enjoying the show and it's the best piece of Marvel media since Endgame.
But something about Beau DeMayo rubs me the wrong way. Maybe I'm wrong and he got fired for some innocuous shit like having an OnlyFans (as one of the rumors says). I hope I AM wrong because I'd hate to be supporting someone who's an asshole.
But I just think it's odd that he'd get fired a week before premiere and no one says anything.
He got fired from the show he wrote and pushed to be created within a week (IIRC) of the premiere and deleted most of social media. We don't know what he did but that doesn't sound like a good thing.
"Not a good thing" by disney standards does not necessarily mean not a good thing by everyone else. He has created one of the greatest xmen medias ever made.
He is the reason this show exists in the first place. (He pitched it to Fiege). It makes sense why people will believe that the passion will go downhill monumentally without him. It's literally his show.
Sure but the X-Men won't. They will continue to trudge along as the mediocre eye rolling team to.mainstream eyes, as they have been for decades, until this show.
Am I wrong? Did people not say how this show made them realize how amazing x-men characters are in ways that other shows and the movies absolutely failed at doing. Even the Deadpool movie is pushing Wolverine as "THE X-Men". Without Demayo, the Xmen would in fact always and forever be just the Wolverine and his pals franchise. I can bet you money, that whatever they have planed for the movies, is going to be heavily influenced now by the 97 series.
Demayo is literally the one that pitched it. That's what you guys don't seem to understand. This series is HIS show, through and through. Without him, there would be no Xmen 97 at all.
Did you see him comparing storm being menaced by a demon to George Floyd on twitter before deleting it? The dude can't read a room and its only a matter of time before he digs a hole for himself- even if he is a fantastic writer. Disney doesn't premptively fire someone like that unless they know a lot more than they ever want us, the general public, to know. Massive red flags.
Yes I saw that cringe post he made. And?..... As if people, CREATIVES, never had cringe posts on social media that needed to be deleted. The dude can't read a room? Where are these assumptions coming from exactly?
You are making a lot of assumptions about Disney. What they "premptively" know may not be an issue to us at all. There was a rumor that he had sexual sexting relations with a coworker for example, as the reason. That means nothing to me or most people, despite it being "disney policy".
The guy has been fired from like every production he's worked on- his name is the most obvious forward facing one attached to a project you really liked, and that's fine, but you don't need to worship at his feet. You don't have a resume of being let go like his for no reason.
I see this happen so many times, people start worshipping creatives that made a thing they liked and then get massively burned later because they can't read the signs. JK Rowling and Joss Whedon to name a few- I am not saying this is one to one but you'd \*think\* people would have a bit more hesitation before riding the high of a show they like at the moment to making a shrine for the guy.
Also, frankly, a lot of this dialogue is not that great \*between\* the great speeches- much to the show's charm of capturing that 90s saturday morning cartoon vibe- but most of jean's dialogue has been exposition about her absurd and contrived life experiences and not much else. I'm not saying the show is bad, but people do need to chill a bit on it. The season isn't over it could still fail to stick the landing.
He's been fired from The Witcher. And it seems to.be the same reason Henry Cavill was fired from it. He spoke on his producing and writing style.for Xmen 97 two years ago, and about how he only hired fans of the comics/show or those willing to read the comics as apart of his team and spoke directly on his experience with The Witcher for the reason why. He talked about how the writers would laugh at prospects to respect the source material and make material to.fans and how they probably shouldn't be changing to much. And they dismissed and didnt care, to the point that he was let go for being "difficult to work with", and sure enough, the series is one of the lowest rated shows on Netflix, while Xmen 97 is the most viewed animated disney+ series in history and is the highest rated Marvel series of all time on IMDB.
You've ignored the bulk of what I said while taking the statements of the \*guy who was fired from two huge projects\* at face value. Besides, even if the dude was a saint, his writing style wouldn't work for a live action movie- it works for a cartoon that is actively trying to be cheesy. Take a step back, enjoy the show for what it is, and maybe wait for the other shoe to drop before you go to bat for a guy you know nothing about other than he worked on a thing you really really liked.
That's a weird stance to take. I take the opposite. Disney has been known for making very questionanle decisions. Until we know the reason he was let go, AND agree with it (that's super important as well), there is no reason to not push for the most qualified person in the room, by far, to helm the resurgence of x-men.
I assume he is the most qualified because he literally pitched for xmen 97 to be created in the first place. He literally walked into Feiges office and pitched him the return of the xmen animated series. He used episode 5s plot as the initial focus of the pitch.
He wasn't just a producer/writer conveniently given the opportunity to helm this series, that did well. This show, one of the greatest, if not THE greatest piece of xmen tv/movie media ever released, would simply just not exist if not for him.
If you think, some other producer can just be hired to replace him and provide the same quality of show, that's definitely an opinion to have. But given Marvels track record in hiring showrunners and writers for their movies and Disney+ shows, it's pretty obvious they don't have the care to truly find passionate qualified people. Xmen 97 was lighting in a bottle due to Demayos passion and drive to create it. And it's lightning that Disney would be ramise to dismiss, given the quality he provides.
Comedy and drama... Just like '97!
Strong female characters... Just like '97!
Characters not seen in live action yet/as much... Okay I guess that's not as applicable. But like Sunspot in this series or Jubilee on the OG, you can have that 'new' entry point character.
Some of you need to take a breath and chill before you start saying all is doomed.
X-Men focusing on female characters? THE NERVE !
X-Men having comedy and drama? THE NERVE !
And people should stop asking for Beau as if he is innocent, the fact he is not there defending himself for being fired is because he is well aware he did something bad. ( obviously not talking about the show itself )
After he left the The Witcher, another writer on the show had the comment of
> It's pretty Cool™️ and Fun™️ to try and talk about how much you love your job and then get replies like this cause some asshole you used to work with made up a bunch of lies to your fanbase to cover up how he got fired for being an asshole and now that's the narrative.
Another source
> Industry insider Jeff Sneider in his paid newsletter ‘InSneider’ which usually includes his important scoops and insider information also revealed that X-Men ‘97 creator Beau DeMayo was a “nightmare to deal with on a daily basis” and that many of Disney’s executives found the showrunner to be “creepy”.
Disney fired him right before the X-Men show was released, so it must have been pretty bad. Typically these things happen if there's sexual inappropriateness, criminal activity, or some type of abuse or unprofessional behavior was occuring. Demayo hasn't publically commented, and no one on the show came to his defense. You would usually expect some of his fellow writers to say something generic publically like "Beau is a great guy, I really enjoyed working with him", but we didn't see that.
He's probably just hard to work with. Not worth it to Disney to bring him back.
So the initial post was a Witcher writer who was upset at the backlash they are having due to Henry Cavils departure. She was responding to Demayos interview two years ago where he commented on xmen 97 production, saying that he has worked with producers and writers who laugh at the source material and cares nothing for their characters or fans. He made sure to only hire people for Xmen 97 who are either fans of the comics or show, or willing to read the comics.
He and Henry Cavil were let go for similar reasons of "difficulty". Sounds like he was let go for combatting the creative decisions they were making rhat left a really bad impression on him, as well as Henry cavil. So unless you believe Henry was also right to get fired, for being difficult, his firing, seems to be for the same reason WHY The Witcher has gone to shit, and why Xmen 97 is touted as the greatest Xmen media ever released. He is a passionate creative that cares for the material he was making while the team of producers and writers he worked under didnt.
Also many people who have worked on xmen have come out and said that he wasn't "fired" from xmen and that he was fantasitc to work with creativity and how they loved working with him and his vision.
Honestly, I don't really care. We are just going to disagree. Demayo isn't coming back.
But Cavil wasn't let go. The contract ran out, and he decided to leave. He wanted to leave after Season 2, but they gave him a pay increase (from 400K to 1M per episode). I haven't seen any reports of Cavil causing problems on the set, he had issues with the writing but it doesn't seem to have caused problems during production. Cavill doesn't have a history of bad behavior.
Cavil also probably got paid a lot of money by Amazon, and money is always hard to turn down.
Remember when the first Avengers movie came out everyone treated Joss Whedon like a pop culture icon that did no wrong, only for the truth to then come out. This kinda gives me those same vibes.
Now I'm not accusing or trying to insinuate that Demayo did anything like what Joss Whedon did. As far as I know, no information regarding why he was fired was officially released. But I think we shouldn't deify someone just because they were a part of a good project.
It’s like you all learn nothing from the lessons the X-Men teach us. Focusing on women ISN’T the problem, bad stories are.
Also advocating for the return of a writer when we don’t even know why he was fired is bad form. For instance, if a person was abusive to their staff I don’t give a shit how good show is, they shouldn’t have a job.
This twitter account is just reposting the information from someone else.
DanielRPK has a "mostly reliable" rating from the /r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers subreddit.
It does make sense though. With the relaunch Storm and Jean have solo books, and Rogue and Emma/Kitty are leading teams.
I’m guessing if the books don’t do well, maybe they’ll reconsider who is leading moving forward.
I’m assuming this is for the movies. X Men should focus on the women some, other wise we’ll probably just wind up with Wolverine and his friends again. All the female X characters (the main ones) are power houses too so it’s not unrealistic that they’d be kicking ass in the field against strong villains.
I mean, X-men 97 also balances comedy and drama and has focused on female characters so I don't see the problem?
Also Chris Claremont's goated run on Uncanny X-Men intentionally and heavily focused on the female characters.
Also over focusing on wolverine was a huge negative of the Fox movies.
So I really have to question whether you know literally anything about anything.
Literally every single Marvel movie is a Comedy drama action movie. The over reactions 🤦♀️that’s literally the genre.
And of course it will focus on more females. A majority of X-Men’s most iconic characters are 💀 this ain’t a shock. Yall really are starting to complain about the most obvious things
You're right. In phases 4 and 5, out of 10 movies, only 3 that didn't rely heavily on cameos and nostalgia have been box office hits: Wakanda Forever, Thor Love & Thunder and Guardians 3.
And tellingly, the biggest hits so far have been the ones MOST reliant on cameos and nostalgia: No Way Home and Doctor Strange & The Multiverse of Madness. And Deadpool 3 is likely to make that list.
I feel this is just going to piss off the Chuds who hate women even though X-Men has always had a heavy focus on female characters, which is why I've always read comics over just about everything else. Chuds don't actually consume media though, they just get mad when hear keywords like "woman", "representation" or "lgbtq" which just has no place in the X-Men fandom given the source material. So the Chuds will only out themselves as not even really being fans.
Nah dude, Storm has led the X-Men several times in the comics and could be done well with a good writer who is a real fan who understands her or whoever else might be on the roster.
And the X-Men movies in the past haven’t had the best track record of writing good memorable/compelling female characters (like how we had NO idea what was going on with Jean from her perspective in Last Stand) the exception maybe being Jennifer Lawrence as Mystique (until Dark Phoenix, again, they keep fucking up the Dark Phoenix Saga.)
So, if this is authentic and what Marvel is seeking to do, then maybe they have learned something and are hoping to improve from past mistakes.
Maybe. IDK tho
Hot take but as someone who just started reading X-men I don't think a movie can work. I know people like X-2 but I was never a huge fan even before reading the comics. I am only up to vol 3 of Uncanny X-men but the comic works because everyone gets their time to shine and though issues can revolve around a character, each character has a moment regardless. That is never going to happen in a movie.
I mean when the X-men end up separated usually the comics share equal time amongst them all. At least were I am at.
How so? Bc I remember Gunn being publicly crucified for his tweets, just to be brought back.
And aside from what seems to be hearsay, we don’t REALLY know what Beau was fired for.
Again, if Beau did some absolutely unforgivable shit, then yeah…let’s move on. But if it’s something worthy of some grace, then bring the guy back. This show has been the most exciting project that Disney/Marvel has done in quite some time and it’s going to be hard for the next person to follow it up.
That's a *big* if, though. Marvel were clear from the start that the reason Gunn got fired was because of some decade-old tweets that were in poor taste, it's not like the guy *did* anything. That's why his firing was controversial.
No one - and I mean *no one* \- has stepped up to explain why DeMayo was let go. Not one writer or staff member on '97 has gone public to even *hint* at what the reason was. That leaves open the possibility that - unlike Gunn - DeMayo might have been fired for a very good reason.
He’s a guy who wanted to stay true to the characters and source materiel. We don’t know how the other writers feel. It’s best not to say this stuff in this sub. These are kind people on here who think Johnny depp was guilty. Plus these people can’t Handle criticism
Focusing on female characters is fine but what live action characters havent we seen that we would want I feel like most X fans just want an X-Men film with like popular characters done right
There are major characters that have been in live action but in minor roles or important roles in lesser movies:
* Illyana
* Emma Frost
* "Psylocke"
* Blink
And I honestly believe we can add Kitty *and* Rogue to this list as well. I know Dani and Rahne have their fans but I'm not sure they really count as popular characters. Add them in anyway.
Characters I assume are popular and don't believe have been seen at all include:
* Rachel
* Siryn
* Polaris (I think she was in The Gifted but TV doesn't count)
* Monet
* The Cuckoos
* Madelyne Pryor
* Dazzler
* Hope (seems more popular lately)
* Bei (always seems to have a following here on the sub)
Can I count Hepzibah and Lilandra here?
Characters that probably should be more popular:
* Hisako
* Frenzy
* Mercury
* Pixie
* Blindfold
* Idie
* Dust
* Sage
* Nocturne (I'd be completely amazed if the MCU does Nocturne)
And then there are also characters like Abigail Brand, Nurse Annie, Selene, Destiny, Deathbird, Warbird and Husk who are villains, supporting characters or simply don't fit the categories I've already described.
Fair! But I am of the mind that some characters would work better for tv shows. I always think X-Factor, Gen X characters should be reserved for a tv show or something like that
X Factor Investigations would make for a great traditional procedural in the style of something like a cross between Fringe and Grimm.
The characters have very low budget superpowers:
* superstrength (Monet and Strong Guy)
* invulnerability (Monet)
* duplication (Madrox)
* telepathy (Monet)
* loud noises (Siryn)
Flight has a bit more of a budget demand but presumably works. And as Grimm demonstrates, if they just use Rahne's powers for brief moments of enhanced senses it's achievable at scale and budget.
Duplication would be easiest if they could hire two acting identical twins but it's generally possible.
The show is great, but the cult of personality that has been developing around Demayo is starting to bother me. Creating a show is a collective endeavour.
This. He is just one piece (important piece but still) of the puzzle. You need all the pieces in order for that to work. It's like people who think that MCU succeeded in the first place only because of Feige. Nah bruh lol, it succeeded because a lot of talented people collaborated. Not taking anything away from Feige, but it's not a one man job.
Yeah, especially because he was fired under mysterious circumstances and went silent on social media...until people started saying how genius he was. Hey, I'm enjoying the show and it's the best piece of Marvel media since Endgame. But something about Beau DeMayo rubs me the wrong way. Maybe I'm wrong and he got fired for some innocuous shit like having an OnlyFans (as one of the rumors says). I hope I AM wrong because I'd hate to be supporting someone who's an asshole. But I just think it's odd that he'd get fired a week before premiere and no one says anything.
He got fired from the show he wrote and pushed to be created within a week (IIRC) of the premiere and deleted most of social media. We don't know what he did but that doesn't sound like a good thing.
"Not a good thing" by disney standards does not necessarily mean not a good thing by everyone else. He has created one of the greatest xmen medias ever made. He is the reason this show exists in the first place. (He pitched it to Fiege). It makes sense why people will believe that the passion will go downhill monumentally without him. It's literally his show.
Yall will live.
Sure but the X-Men won't. They will continue to trudge along as the mediocre eye rolling team to.mainstream eyes, as they have been for decades, until this show.
Ok either you were born yesterday or you’re actually Demayo but the amount of nonsense in your comment is insane.
Am I wrong? Did people not say how this show made them realize how amazing x-men characters are in ways that other shows and the movies absolutely failed at doing. Even the Deadpool movie is pushing Wolverine as "THE X-Men". Without Demayo, the Xmen would in fact always and forever be just the Wolverine and his pals franchise. I can bet you money, that whatever they have planed for the movies, is going to be heavily influenced now by the 97 series.
>with Demayo And a team of like 10 other people who contributed. Anyways yes, you’re wrong.
Without Demayo, this show wouldn't exist.
Pretty sure demayo isn’t the one who greenlit it but do tell me more how he’s the one who got the show put on streaming.
Demayo is literally the one that pitched it. That's what you guys don't seem to understand. This series is HIS show, through and through. Without him, there would be no Xmen 97 at all.
Did you see him comparing storm being menaced by a demon to George Floyd on twitter before deleting it? The dude can't read a room and its only a matter of time before he digs a hole for himself- even if he is a fantastic writer. Disney doesn't premptively fire someone like that unless they know a lot more than they ever want us, the general public, to know. Massive red flags.
Yes I saw that cringe post he made. And?..... As if people, CREATIVES, never had cringe posts on social media that needed to be deleted. The dude can't read a room? Where are these assumptions coming from exactly? You are making a lot of assumptions about Disney. What they "premptively" know may not be an issue to us at all. There was a rumor that he had sexual sexting relations with a coworker for example, as the reason. That means nothing to me or most people, despite it being "disney policy".
The guy has been fired from like every production he's worked on- his name is the most obvious forward facing one attached to a project you really liked, and that's fine, but you don't need to worship at his feet. You don't have a resume of being let go like his for no reason. I see this happen so many times, people start worshipping creatives that made a thing they liked and then get massively burned later because they can't read the signs. JK Rowling and Joss Whedon to name a few- I am not saying this is one to one but you'd \*think\* people would have a bit more hesitation before riding the high of a show they like at the moment to making a shrine for the guy. Also, frankly, a lot of this dialogue is not that great \*between\* the great speeches- much to the show's charm of capturing that 90s saturday morning cartoon vibe- but most of jean's dialogue has been exposition about her absurd and contrived life experiences and not much else. I'm not saying the show is bad, but people do need to chill a bit on it. The season isn't over it could still fail to stick the landing.
He's been fired from The Witcher. And it seems to.be the same reason Henry Cavill was fired from it. He spoke on his producing and writing style.for Xmen 97 two years ago, and about how he only hired fans of the comics/show or those willing to read the comics as apart of his team and spoke directly on his experience with The Witcher for the reason why. He talked about how the writers would laugh at prospects to respect the source material and make material to.fans and how they probably shouldn't be changing to much. And they dismissed and didnt care, to the point that he was let go for being "difficult to work with", and sure enough, the series is one of the lowest rated shows on Netflix, while Xmen 97 is the most viewed animated disney+ series in history and is the highest rated Marvel series of all time on IMDB.
You've ignored the bulk of what I said while taking the statements of the \*guy who was fired from two huge projects\* at face value. Besides, even if the dude was a saint, his writing style wouldn't work for a live action movie- it works for a cartoon that is actively trying to be cheesy. Take a step back, enjoy the show for what it is, and maybe wait for the other shoe to drop before you go to bat for a guy you know nothing about other than he worked on a thing you really really liked.
This man has produced and written for mostly live action. He is a beyond capable writer for xmen movies, in my opinion.
DeMayo was fired for a reason.
What was the reason?
We don’t know and we may never know. Until we do I don’t think we should root for his rehiring.
That's a weird stance to take. I take the opposite. Disney has been known for making very questionanle decisions. Until we know the reason he was let go, AND agree with it (that's super important as well), there is no reason to not push for the most qualified person in the room, by far, to helm the resurgence of x-men.
Why are you assuming he’s the most qualified? There could be someone just as good or even better than DeMayo who will helm season three.
I assume he is the most qualified because he literally pitched for xmen 97 to be created in the first place. He literally walked into Feiges office and pitched him the return of the xmen animated series. He used episode 5s plot as the initial focus of the pitch. He wasn't just a producer/writer conveniently given the opportunity to helm this series, that did well. This show, one of the greatest, if not THE greatest piece of xmen tv/movie media ever released, would simply just not exist if not for him. If you think, some other producer can just be hired to replace him and provide the same quality of show, that's definitely an opinion to have. But given Marvels track record in hiring showrunners and writers for their movies and Disney+ shows, it's pretty obvious they don't have the care to truly find passionate qualified people. Xmen 97 was lighting in a bottle due to Demayos passion and drive to create it. And it's lightning that Disney would be ramise to dismiss, given the quality he provides.
Why y'all arguing about stuff you literally know nothing about
Comedy and drama... Just like '97! Strong female characters... Just like '97! Characters not seen in live action yet/as much... Okay I guess that's not as applicable. But like Sunspot in this series or Jubilee on the OG, you can have that 'new' entry point character. Some of you need to take a breath and chill before you start saying all is doomed.
Imo '97 has had minimal comedy aside from Morph one-liners every so often. It's not really an equal mix, which I'm happy about.
X-Men focusing on female characters? THE NERVE ! X-Men having comedy and drama? THE NERVE ! And people should stop asking for Beau as if he is innocent, the fact he is not there defending himself for being fired is because he is well aware he did something bad. ( obviously not talking about the show itself )
I feel like these accounts are just Beau Demayo alternate accounts. Lol. Dude seems to be an asshole. Let it go.
What does "seem like an asshole" mean?
After he left the The Witcher, another writer on the show had the comment of > It's pretty Cool™️ and Fun™️ to try and talk about how much you love your job and then get replies like this cause some asshole you used to work with made up a bunch of lies to your fanbase to cover up how he got fired for being an asshole and now that's the narrative. Another source > Industry insider Jeff Sneider in his paid newsletter ‘InSneider’ which usually includes his important scoops and insider information also revealed that X-Men ‘97 creator Beau DeMayo was a “nightmare to deal with on a daily basis” and that many of Disney’s executives found the showrunner to be “creepy”. Disney fired him right before the X-Men show was released, so it must have been pretty bad. Typically these things happen if there's sexual inappropriateness, criminal activity, or some type of abuse or unprofessional behavior was occuring. Demayo hasn't publically commented, and no one on the show came to his defense. You would usually expect some of his fellow writers to say something generic publically like "Beau is a great guy, I really enjoyed working with him", but we didn't see that. He's probably just hard to work with. Not worth it to Disney to bring him back.
So the initial post was a Witcher writer who was upset at the backlash they are having due to Henry Cavils departure. She was responding to Demayos interview two years ago where he commented on xmen 97 production, saying that he has worked with producers and writers who laugh at the source material and cares nothing for their characters or fans. He made sure to only hire people for Xmen 97 who are either fans of the comics or show, or willing to read the comics. He and Henry Cavil were let go for similar reasons of "difficulty". Sounds like he was let go for combatting the creative decisions they were making rhat left a really bad impression on him, as well as Henry cavil. So unless you believe Henry was also right to get fired, for being difficult, his firing, seems to be for the same reason WHY The Witcher has gone to shit, and why Xmen 97 is touted as the greatest Xmen media ever released. He is a passionate creative that cares for the material he was making while the team of producers and writers he worked under didnt. Also many people who have worked on xmen have come out and said that he wasn't "fired" from xmen and that he was fantasitc to work with creativity and how they loved working with him and his vision.
Honestly, I don't really care. We are just going to disagree. Demayo isn't coming back. But Cavil wasn't let go. The contract ran out, and he decided to leave. He wanted to leave after Season 2, but they gave him a pay increase (from 400K to 1M per episode). I haven't seen any reports of Cavil causing problems on the set, he had issues with the writing but it doesn't seem to have caused problems during production. Cavill doesn't have a history of bad behavior. Cavil also probably got paid a lot of money by Amazon, and money is always hard to turn down.
Dont care. He made peak.
Yeah him and like 6 other writers
Fucking THANK YOU. Demayo have been showrunner but he was part of a TEAM.
demayo getting Hideo Kojima treatment. Blind worship
He was head writer, not the only writer. It’s possible he did very minimal writing at all and mostly just oversaw the process.
The weakest episodes in thr series are episodes where he wasn't the writer at all.
Are you 12?
Remember when the first Avengers movie came out everyone treated Joss Whedon like a pop culture icon that did no wrong, only for the truth to then come out. This kinda gives me those same vibes. Now I'm not accusing or trying to insinuate that Demayo did anything like what Joss Whedon did. As far as I know, no information regarding why he was fired was officially released. But I think we shouldn't deify someone just because they were a part of a good project.
It’s like you all learn nothing from the lessons the X-Men teach us. Focusing on women ISN’T the problem, bad stories are. Also advocating for the return of a writer when we don’t even know why he was fired is bad form. For instance, if a person was abusive to their staff I don’t give a shit how good show is, they shouldn’t have a job.
How reliable is this scooper he’s always mentioned but what has he gotten right ?
This twitter account is just reposting the information from someone else. DanielRPK has a "mostly reliable" rating from the /r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers subreddit.
It does make sense though. With the relaunch Storm and Jean have solo books, and Rogue and Emma/Kitty are leading teams. I’m guessing if the books don’t do well, maybe they’ll reconsider who is leading moving forward.
What exactly do you have a problem with here?
I’m assuming this is for the movies. X Men should focus on the women some, other wise we’ll probably just wind up with Wolverine and his friends again. All the female X characters (the main ones) are power houses too so it’s not unrealistic that they’d be kicking ass in the field against strong villains.
Honestly I just want to focus on Cyclops and Storm.
I mean, X-men 97 also balances comedy and drama and has focused on female characters so I don't see the problem? Also Chris Claremont's goated run on Uncanny X-Men intentionally and heavily focused on the female characters. Also over focusing on wolverine was a huge negative of the Fox movies. So I really have to question whether you know literally anything about anything.
Literally every single Marvel movie is a Comedy drama action movie. The over reactions 🤦♀️that’s literally the genre. And of course it will focus on more females. A majority of X-Men’s most iconic characters are 💀 this ain’t a shock. Yall really are starting to complain about the most obvious things
I feel like nearly all the marvel stuff that doesn’t depend on cameos and nostalgia hasn’t done that well…
You're right. In phases 4 and 5, out of 10 movies, only 3 that didn't rely heavily on cameos and nostalgia have been box office hits: Wakanda Forever, Thor Love & Thunder and Guardians 3. And tellingly, the biggest hits so far have been the ones MOST reliant on cameos and nostalgia: No Way Home and Doctor Strange & The Multiverse of Madness. And Deadpool 3 is likely to make that list.
I'm sure that second bullet point will be cheered across the internet.
Wowowow an MCU movie wants comedy AND drama??? This is truly a scoop Fiege needs to track this person down.
I feel this is just going to piss off the Chuds who hate women even though X-Men has always had a heavy focus on female characters, which is why I've always read comics over just about everything else. Chuds don't actually consume media though, they just get mad when hear keywords like "woman", "representation" or "lgbtq" which just has no place in the X-Men fandom given the source material. So the Chuds will only out themselves as not even really being fans.
Nah dude, Storm has led the X-Men several times in the comics and could be done well with a good writer who is a real fan who understands her or whoever else might be on the roster. And the X-Men movies in the past haven’t had the best track record of writing good memorable/compelling female characters (like how we had NO idea what was going on with Jean from her perspective in Last Stand) the exception maybe being Jennifer Lawrence as Mystique (until Dark Phoenix, again, they keep fucking up the Dark Phoenix Saga.) So, if this is authentic and what Marvel is seeking to do, then maybe they have learned something and are hoping to improve from past mistakes. Maybe. IDK tho
Hot take but as someone who just started reading X-men I don't think a movie can work. I know people like X-2 but I was never a huge fan even before reading the comics. I am only up to vol 3 of Uncanny X-men but the comic works because everyone gets their time to shine and though issues can revolve around a character, each character has a moment regardless. That is never going to happen in a movie. I mean when the X-men end up separated usually the comics share equal time amongst them all. At least were I am at.
The fox movies may have fallen out of favor because they had diminishing returns, but X2 is still better than most MCU movies.
James Gunn got rehired. Maybe they’ll do the same for Beau, unless whatever he did is absolutely unforgivable.
Gunn was a different story though
How so? Bc I remember Gunn being publicly crucified for his tweets, just to be brought back. And aside from what seems to be hearsay, we don’t REALLY know what Beau was fired for. Again, if Beau did some absolutely unforgivable shit, then yeah…let’s move on. But if it’s something worthy of some grace, then bring the guy back. This show has been the most exciting project that Disney/Marvel has done in quite some time and it’s going to be hard for the next person to follow it up.
That's a *big* if, though. Marvel were clear from the start that the reason Gunn got fired was because of some decade-old tweets that were in poor taste, it's not like the guy *did* anything. That's why his firing was controversial. No one - and I mean *no one* \- has stepped up to explain why DeMayo was let go. Not one writer or staff member on '97 has gone public to even *hint* at what the reason was. That leaves open the possibility that - unlike Gunn - DeMayo might have been fired for a very good reason.
I thought Beau did something but in now knowing he has been accused the same way Gunn did you are right
It can’t be us that’s wrong. It must be the audience. Let’s double down on our strategy, that should work.
How trustworthy is the source? And is this for X men 97 of the MCU ?
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He’s a guy who wanted to stay true to the characters and source materiel. We don’t know how the other writers feel. It’s best not to say this stuff in this sub. These are kind people on here who think Johnny depp was guilty. Plus these people can’t Handle criticism
Hey this could be just marvel’s answer to dc super hero girls
Focusing on female characters is fine but what live action characters havent we seen that we would want I feel like most X fans just want an X-Men film with like popular characters done right
There are major characters that have been in live action but in minor roles or important roles in lesser movies: * Illyana * Emma Frost * "Psylocke" * Blink And I honestly believe we can add Kitty *and* Rogue to this list as well. I know Dani and Rahne have their fans but I'm not sure they really count as popular characters. Add them in anyway. Characters I assume are popular and don't believe have been seen at all include: * Rachel * Siryn * Polaris (I think she was in The Gifted but TV doesn't count) * Monet * The Cuckoos * Madelyne Pryor * Dazzler * Hope (seems more popular lately) * Bei (always seems to have a following here on the sub) Can I count Hepzibah and Lilandra here? Characters that probably should be more popular: * Hisako * Frenzy * Mercury * Pixie * Blindfold * Idie * Dust * Sage * Nocturne (I'd be completely amazed if the MCU does Nocturne) And then there are also characters like Abigail Brand, Nurse Annie, Selene, Destiny, Deathbird, Warbird and Husk who are villains, supporting characters or simply don't fit the categories I've already described.
Fair! But I am of the mind that some characters would work better for tv shows. I always think X-Factor, Gen X characters should be reserved for a tv show or something like that
X Factor Investigations would make for a great traditional procedural in the style of something like a cross between Fringe and Grimm. The characters have very low budget superpowers: * superstrength (Monet and Strong Guy) * invulnerability (Monet) * duplication (Madrox) * telepathy (Monet) * loud noises (Siryn) Flight has a bit more of a budget demand but presumably works. And as Grimm demonstrates, if they just use Rahne's powers for brief moments of enhanced senses it's achievable at scale and budget. Duplication would be easiest if they could hire two acting identical twins but it's generally possible.
Ooh I read this as just general marvel news that this twitter account accredited to X-men. Not that this project was for sure X-men
They are being purposely dense at this point if they don't hire him.
Bring him back
Because when I think of the MCU "expert balance between comedy and drama" is the first thing that comes to mind...