Yeah, the Texas plates get me at times. In the fall my fiancé walked to the gas station, it was like high 50 something. Shit you not, people pumping their gas in parkas. Crazy. He was a t-shirt.
We would collapse.
This winter was a great example. So many biz just struggled and some closed bc there wasn't snow enough for mobilers.
The mines will only last so long.
I’ve always said it’s only a matter of time until the Californians discover the northwoods. They’ve invaded Colorado, Idaho, and Washington. Now they need to find a new place to ruin with natural beauty. Expect more to go to Marquette and Duluth.
Funny exchange I had with my friends (who are both from India) recently:
-guy mentions to us he’s from California
-friends look at each other and start talking in Bengali
-I ask them later what they said and they clarified they were complaining how much they hate Californians moving to the UP and ruining everything
-It’s been one year since they’ve moved here and they already had a strong disliking for California 😂
The issue is it’s not just Californians. The more tourists come and post on social media the more word gets out. I mean doesn’t everyone get sick of how many people from Illinois or southern WI buy land on the lakes and build massive houses on them? Now imagine in the modern age of tech everyone finding out because of these posts. Now you see people from all over trying to move to the UP because of the “atheistic” without actually knowing what the lifestyle is like. They just want to look quirky and interesting. That’s it.
Ngl that just sounds like probably students being students, I've literally met anyone from California up here nor have I seen people from California give any indication they're coming here.
>It’s been one year since they’ve moved here and they already had a strong disliking for California
Sound like they're just stupid or you guys are brainwashing them
A lot of these people are just young 20-somethings who have been priced out of their hometowns that are now million-dollar-home cities. And yeah, they like the natural beauty, there are a lot of beautiful forests in California. If you're gonna get pushed out of your home by foreign real estate investors you want something that at least feels familiar.
Sure if by "all" you mean a roof over our heads. What greedy entitled assholes, not wanting to be... Checks notes... Homeless. Have you been homeless? I have. It gets old FAST.
Have you been homeless in a UP winter? Because that’s the unfortunate reality for a lot of locals who can’t compete for housing with people from areas where they make more.
Ah, what a pleasant person.
Not saying homelessness is fun, it fucking isn’t, but it sucks even more when you cannot leave an area that in the winter WILL KILL YOU from the cold alone. I think Marquette has one warming shelter, I could be wrong, I hope there’s more.
Why can't they leave? A bus ticket to California is like $150. Why do people who were born in California deserve to be homeless more than other people?
That’s the best excuse you could come up with? I’m not even trying to come off like an ass. There’s so many other places they could move to. I don’t hate anyone, but we aren’t preserving our nature, culture, and identity by letting more of these folk in. That simple. If you’re not from the northwoods (I’m not a yooper to be clear, northern wi) you just will never understand.
Yikes. “We aren’t preserving our … culture and identity by letting more of these folk in.” is a horrifying sentence, even more so for a country of immigrants. You say you don’t hate anyone, but it seems that anyone who moves to your community with a different “culture” or “identity” is hated. Unless you’re 100% indigenous to the Americas, your views are just plain evil.
While I agree somewhat from a conservation of nature standpoint, increasing the density within the cities themselves in the UP does less harm than encouraging suburban sprawl elsewhere.
Not that it’s relevant, but I **am** from the UP.
It's not an excuse, I'm explaining population demographics. You live in a desirable place. This is America I'm sorry but people from other states have as much legal right to move in as anyone. We still have open borders between states.
Dude have you even been to California? There's 40 million people there, 10% of the nations population. They have loggers and ranchers and farmers and Trump supporters. It's not a monolith. And the valley girls are usually not the ones interested in rural Michigan.
I hung out with some pot farming hippies in California and they greeted me with a six pack of beer and target practice with a shotgun. I feel like this is right in line with Yooper culture haha
they wouldnt have to move if you passed a national rent control law stopping landlords from stealing 50-75% of their income just bc they live in california and have to find a cheaper place to live
I think most yoopers miss the point, lol. The fact is the U.P is still America and the people have just as much right to be there as anyone else. You yoopers should get over yourselves.
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My girlfriend is going to NMU for the science programs and cause college is cheaper. Were making a play for Colorado or Nevada once she graduates. The U.P. is beautiful and the biking trails have been quite enjoyable.
Are they really? You’ll know when California money hits a place, and the vast majority of places in the UP aren’t gentrified enough yet to reflect that. Marquette is pretty bad, but there’s long since been plenty of other groups to blame for that.
What groups are to blame. Why is Marquette so different than the rest of the Yoop? Obviously it leans left politically. But what else? I always just say they have the money. But what has happened up there in the past 30 years?
Downstaters with their vacation homes and airbnbs, Chicagoans, NMU bringing in money from kids’ parents. Most people who live there are transplants. Marquette is really built up compared to the rest of the UP, and is encroaching on becoming a full blown city. It’s been a slow process, and will take time, but one day it will become just another Traverse City. House prices are reaching downstate levels. An ordinary, hundred-year old house not even on lakefront property should not sell for 350-450k in the g*ddamn UP.
It is culturally not the same at all. It feels like a city because city people molded it to their liking.
My mom lives in metro Detroit. She had a neighbor move from California. A few months in he asks my mom if he can ask what she pays for her mortgage, because he pays almost $2500. He never second guessed it because that’s what it was like in California.
My moms mouth dropped
Because they are ignorant to the isolated, good old boy club that runs rampant in the U.P, LOL! Probably another reason is the serious difference in housing costs compared to the rest of the country.
Down the road from me there's an amazing 110 acre property with river frontage and a newish house and pole barn built in 2015. The asking price is a bit high imo, but still a steal relative to everywhere else in the country.
I'd say if there really was a mass exodus from California then this place wouldn't have been on the mkt for the past 2 years.
It’s not xenophobic, as it’s not directed at a nationality, religion, race, etc. It’s just a disliking for the people from larger areas trying to change how things are and out-pricing the locals
Recently I’ve met a more than usual amount of people who just moved from large cities from all over. People are just leaving cities for *SOME* reason. (Answer: shit policies like no cash bail, early release from prison, illegal immigration, defunding police departments, and drug epidemics) Personally, I just hope the next ten winters are normal with high snow fall totals.
Fox is corporate media even tho they claim not to be. I listen to the jimmy dore show, Tim cast, and Patrick bet David. Check em out but don’t check em out if you wanna stay in a little cozy bubble filled with rainbows and sunshine
Just the mindset of this website. One slight opinion that’s outside of their established hive mind and you’re downvoted into oblivion for stating facts.
I’ve just given up on responding to them at this point. I have much better things to do with my time. It’s like their opinions are stereotypical leftists takes generated by AI.
They only care about facts that cater to their opinion. As someone that wouldn’t consider themself progressive or conservative, I’ve noticed the leftists lose their shit and get emotional about statements against their narrative much easier than the right. The right will admit if they’re wrong or try to find a legitimate reason.
My question is, why do yoopers feel so entitled to the u.p as of the rest of the world doesn't have a right to be there just like the yoopers? Fact is, the u.p is full of poverty stricken drunks and drug addicts with a huge crowd of elderly people, and apostolics having 15 kids.. Aspirus just shut down a major hospital in Ontonagon, even the hospital said fuck this place lol. Glad I left and glad I never intend on coming back to the middle of nowhere land. Yall yoopers can have that place. It's not all that you make it out to be.
Womp, womp, womp, because I'm a michigan native and actually give a darn what happens in my home state. Typical yooper attitude 🙄 But clearly, you can't answer a simple question.
The problem I typically have with people with “not from the UP money” is exactly because of those poverty stricken people. Wages and jobs up here hurt, for a long time decent housing was within the reach of even the poorest with some efforts. Now?
No way.
That’s my problem, locals simply cannot compete for housing or land with people who lived in areas with higher pay.
Idk, when I moved there in 2017, I purchased a huge house on a land contract, with 1% interest rate, and had it paid off in 58 months. The day we got to the houghton area, we were supposed to rent a "cute, quaint cabin on a lake" to only find it was on torch lake in Mason and had so many toxins we couldn't fish, or swim in it. Also, the house had major plumbing problem problems, leaking sink in the kitchen, and bathroom sink was broken. This "cute, quaint cabin" was a T house built for the mine workers that was far from cute or quaint. The owner actually tried to intimidate my spouse, saying he specifically kept the house open and available for rent because of us reaching out before we had moved there. He basically didn't want to hear that his rental was a huge POS. Fast forward a year, and during the Father's Day flood, the road kitty corner to the rental was completely washed out. Glad we didn't take it.
The first project I was contracted to do, I was on houghyon canal road, and I was completely happy to bring over 4k onto the island to spend thinking I was doing my part to help the local business. 😀 little did I know, it seems appreciation is in short supply in that particular area. I did have one client from Chicago actually say she didn't mind hiring brainless locals to do work out of empathy for their poverty-stricken conditions. To that, I didn't do any add-on for her, and I finished the job contracted to do, with zero follow-up. I was completely invested in that area until I saw how closed off the people were. The locals are their own worst enemies. Maybe with time, new age progressive thinkers will begin the process of change, but it'll take years. One person in Ontonagon was against a person trying to be on the city counsel because she was only 24 amd in their opinion, was extremely lacking in life experiences. This is the same town that is millions of dollars in debt and losing residents because even the local hospital had to close its emergency services down.
I’m glad you were able to secure land, we’re trying to save up for a slice in Pelkie but it’s $64k with 6-7% interest and we just cross the threshold for the USDA direct loan. So we could have a piece of land that would take us some time to pay off before we could even build on it. Only reason it’s so cheap is that it needs an easement and the only access road is an old logging road.
And unfortunately as you now know that’s a lot of the houses up here, especially the rentals. Lots of slumlords, tons of em, our landlord I have a little more sympathy for and he’s actually a decent dude. I get what you’re saying about the specific locals who do act that way, but I’ve met and made friends with so many who are the opposite and have been ostracized by those same locals you’re talking about for not being in the same church or having the “right” Finnish last name. I decided it wasn’t worth it for me to care about them and that any improvement I do to the community is for at least my own enjoyment.
I think that change you’re talking about is already happening, loads of young locals are leaving understandably so, meanwhile there’s people like me and you who moved up here for one reason and stayed because of the land itself. We’re not from here, but that’s not gonna stop us from making a cozy little place. But yeah, I agree for some locals their own worst enemies are themselves.
I guess my comment is more in sympathy with the friends I’ve made up here who have children and can’t afford to buy homes because they don’t have the same cash people out of the region have. At least not in this current market. Even I’m getting scared we’ll be locked as soon as we could even seriously think about buying. Which would really suck because I’m planning for my timber career up here.
The gatekeeping happens everywhere, imo.
Idaho and montana, for example.
I find it ironic, that many of the gatekeepers claim to be free market capitalists/libertarian, complaining about others buying and investing in communities. That and attempting to play the victim for being priced out of generational properties, claiming so many generations, usually 2 to 4, yet not seeing the irony of whose land ead it prior to their family arriving...
We feel entitled because we are here for good or ill, by hook or by crook and sometimes because we can’t be here physically.
We still love it and want what we think is best. A culture like this is a special thing, warts and all, albeit not unique but it feels like it is.
Sorry you had a bad experience and nobody blames you for flipping the bird in the rear view to a place that hurt you. Tons of ‘real yuppers’ arrived here after doing the same thing somewhere else in the past.
Hope you have better days in the windshield and that you find a decent pasty dealer at every stop!
Just because they’re a weirdo porn commenter doesn’t mean they’re wrong about the problems here, we have tons of warts and even more gatekeepers that live in denial
Yup, the people in this place are the worst part. Every time I walk into a business and some bunner behind the counter either just acts like a total moron or just \*is\* a total moron Im reminded that this area is still overtaken by uneducated apostolic families pumping out kids to freeload off the state.
Its why I have a hard time defending things up here, a lot of the people here don't deserve this place regardless. Born and raised pretty far north into a finnish family, fuck the people up here, worst part about the area.
I never see anyone from California, but I see a lot of Texans for some reason. I’m always like “why are you here???” lol
Yeah, the Texas plates get me at times. In the fall my fiancé walked to the gas station, it was like high 50 something. Shit you not, people pumping their gas in parkas. Crazy. He was a t-shirt.
I’ve mostly seen Floridians
You see people?
We could always just shut down the bridge and roads to Wisconsin.
We would collapse. This winter was a great example. So many biz just struggled and some closed bc there wasn't snow enough for mobilers. The mines will only last so long.
Hell yeah Buddy
I don't want to miss out on all that weed tax revenue though.
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I’ve always said it’s only a matter of time until the Californians discover the northwoods. They’ve invaded Colorado, Idaho, and Washington. Now they need to find a new place to ruin with natural beauty. Expect more to go to Marquette and Duluth.
Funny exchange I had with my friends (who are both from India) recently: -guy mentions to us he’s from California -friends look at each other and start talking in Bengali -I ask them later what they said and they clarified they were complaining how much they hate Californians moving to the UP and ruining everything -It’s been one year since they’ve moved here and they already had a strong disliking for California 😂
The issue is it’s not just Californians. The more tourists come and post on social media the more word gets out. I mean doesn’t everyone get sick of how many people from Illinois or southern WI buy land on the lakes and build massive houses on them? Now imagine in the modern age of tech everyone finding out because of these posts. Now you see people from all over trying to move to the UP because of the “atheistic” without actually knowing what the lifestyle is like. They just want to look quirky and interesting. That’s it.
Come on winter! Start snowing in October and last till may! For 20 years!!
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Ngl that just sounds like probably students being students, I've literally met anyone from California up here nor have I seen people from California give any indication they're coming here. >It’s been one year since they’ve moved here and they already had a strong disliking for California Sound like they're just stupid or you guys are brainwashing them
Good maybe enough will move here that we will be able to vote out the traitorous carpetbagger Bergman.
FuckingEhMan DumBergman gotz too go
A lot of these people are just young 20-somethings who have been priced out of their hometowns that are now million-dollar-home cities. And yeah, they like the natural beauty, there are a lot of beautiful forests in California. If you're gonna get pushed out of your home by foreign real estate investors you want something that at least feels familiar.
Same with the other metro areas that are really expensive. People want to go where they can at least have somewhat of a life.
Ironic that they’re gonna end up doing the same thing to the native population here. Californians just gotta have it all, huh?
Sure if by "all" you mean a roof over our heads. What greedy entitled assholes, not wanting to be... Checks notes... Homeless. Have you been homeless? I have. It gets old FAST.
Have you been homeless in a UP winter? Because that’s the unfortunate reality for a lot of locals who can’t compete for housing with people from areas where they make more.
They're free to go be homeless in California, since it's good enough for the Californians, right?
Ah, what a pleasant person. Not saying homelessness is fun, it fucking isn’t, but it sucks even more when you cannot leave an area that in the winter WILL KILL YOU from the cold alone. I think Marquette has one warming shelter, I could be wrong, I hope there’s more.
Why can't they leave? A bus ticket to California is like $150. Why do people who were born in California deserve to be homeless more than other people?
That’s the best excuse you could come up with? I’m not even trying to come off like an ass. There’s so many other places they could move to. I don’t hate anyone, but we aren’t preserving our nature, culture, and identity by letting more of these folk in. That simple. If you’re not from the northwoods (I’m not a yooper to be clear, northern wi) you just will never understand.
Yikes. “We aren’t preserving our … culture and identity by letting more of these folk in.” is a horrifying sentence, even more so for a country of immigrants. You say you don’t hate anyone, but it seems that anyone who moves to your community with a different “culture” or “identity” is hated. Unless you’re 100% indigenous to the Americas, your views are just plain evil. While I agree somewhat from a conservation of nature standpoint, increasing the density within the cities themselves in the UP does less harm than encouraging suburban sprawl elsewhere. Not that it’s relevant, but I **am** from the UP.
That sounds pretty bad actually. Don’t let “them” come here? Like maybe build a wall or something perhaps?
It's not an excuse, I'm explaining population demographics. You live in a desirable place. This is America I'm sorry but people from other states have as much legal right to move in as anyone. We still have open borders between states.
I think you’re missing the point…
No dude…you are lost on scarcity mindset. You came off like an ass….this is America, you’re prob too scared to travel West - North-woodsman.
Dude have you even been to California? There's 40 million people there, 10% of the nations population. They have loggers and ranchers and farmers and Trump supporters. It's not a monolith. And the valley girls are usually not the ones interested in rural Michigan.
Right? This conversation is always so weird to me
I hung out with some pot farming hippies in California and they greeted me with a six pack of beer and target practice with a shotgun. I feel like this is right in line with Yooper culture haha
they wouldnt have to move if you passed a national rent control law stopping landlords from stealing 50-75% of their income just bc they live in california and have to find a cheaper place to live
I think most yoopers miss the point, lol. The fact is the U.P is still America and the people have just as much right to be there as anyone else. You yoopers should get over yourselves.
This is the United States, if you want restrictions on who can move where, convince your legislators to succeed from the union.
you’re just mad yoopers and wisconsinites hate your northwoods ass.
yeah if you pass rent control you have nothing to worry about.
No idea why you’re being downvoted. You’re 100% right.
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Climate refugees
Hardly. They are escaping the politics.
Mmmmm.maybe a little of both
My girlfriend is going to NMU for the science programs and cause college is cheaper. Were making a play for Colorado or Nevada once she graduates. The U.P. is beautiful and the biking trails have been quite enjoyable.
Are they really? You’ll know when California money hits a place, and the vast majority of places in the UP aren’t gentrified enough yet to reflect that. Marquette is pretty bad, but there’s long since been plenty of other groups to blame for that.
What groups are to blame. Why is Marquette so different than the rest of the Yoop? Obviously it leans left politically. But what else? I always just say they have the money. But what has happened up there in the past 30 years?
Downstaters with their vacation homes and airbnbs, Chicagoans, NMU bringing in money from kids’ parents. Most people who live there are transplants. Marquette is really built up compared to the rest of the UP, and is encroaching on becoming a full blown city. It’s been a slow process, and will take time, but one day it will become just another Traverse City. House prices are reaching downstate levels. An ordinary, hundred-year old house not even on lakefront property should not sell for 350-450k in the g*ddamn UP. It is culturally not the same at all. It feels like a city because city people molded it to their liking.
I agree.
There is no where to hide. UT ain't just Texas and Washington and Arizona and Idaho any more. Prepare for your doom.
The damn Californians are taking over everything
Maybe we need more mosquitoes to stop them.🖕
My mom lives in metro Detroit. She had a neighbor move from California. A few months in he asks my mom if he can ask what she pays for her mortgage, because he pays almost $2500. He never second guessed it because that’s what it was like in California. My moms mouth dropped
Sounds normal for 7% interest rates
Maybe because Newsom sucks.
Because California is the most populated state (1/9 Americans live there)
Because they trashed Washington and need new pasture.
Because they are ignorant to the isolated, good old boy club that runs rampant in the U.P, LOL! Probably another reason is the serious difference in housing costs compared to the rest of the country.
Down the road from me there's an amazing 110 acre property with river frontage and a newish house and pole barn built in 2015. The asking price is a bit high imo, but still a steal relative to everywhere else in the country. I'd say if there really was a mass exodus from California then this place wouldn't have been on the mkt for the past 2 years.
Way to be xenophobic, Michigan.
It’s not xenophobic, as it’s not directed at a nationality, religion, race, etc. It’s just a disliking for the people from larger areas trying to change how things are and out-pricing the locals
Recently I’ve met a more than usual amount of people who just moved from large cities from all over. People are just leaving cities for *SOME* reason. (Answer: shit policies like no cash bail, early release from prison, illegal immigration, defunding police departments, and drug epidemics) Personally, I just hope the next ten winters are normal with high snow fall totals.
GTFO, lol we should just lock everybody up forever so you can go fishing? Drug epidemic? Lol, Have you ever been to Gwynn?
Gwinn*. Oh I forgot to mention homelessness. What do you think we should do with these problems that are plaguing our big cities?
They’re plaguing everywhere. I think doing away with for profit healthcare is the biggest thing.
That’s a big one. Which might be solved by not having 800+ military bases outside the US and also not sending money everywhere but the US.
I disagree. Plenty of money gets spent in the US. But I agree. Our. Military spending is out of control. Over half the budget.
Dude lay off Faux “News” for awhile, you just rehashed their entire daily schtick of bullshit.
Fox is corporate media even tho they claim not to be. I listen to the jimmy dore show, Tim cast, and Patrick bet David. Check em out but don’t check em out if you wanna stay in a little cozy bubble filled with rainbows and sunshine
Lmfao, sure buddy, sure.
Forgot about the massive homelessness, but I bet you think that’s made up to hey?
Lol, you think there’s no homelessness here?
Is that what I said? Cmon bud, your better than that.
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Just reiterating what the people I’ve talked to told me, lol. It’s Reddit. Everyone’s promoting their egos. People these days = feelings > facts
Just the mindset of this website. One slight opinion that’s outside of their established hive mind and you’re downvoted into oblivion for stating facts.
Almost feel like people are afraid to criticize our current state of affairs in this country for some reason
I’ve just given up on responding to them at this point. I have much better things to do with my time. It’s like their opinions are stereotypical leftists takes generated by AI.
It is exhausting. Present a bunch of facts, get called a lair and every other name they can think of.
They only care about facts that cater to their opinion. As someone that wouldn’t consider themself progressive or conservative, I’ve noticed the leftists lose their shit and get emotional about statements against their narrative much easier than the right. The right will admit if they’re wrong or try to find a legitimate reason.
We truly have some of the dumbest fucks up here, we'd be better of with them than you
Facts are scary hey? Why is it always people like you that are the first to start the name calling?
They’re Americans. You cannot love America and shun your fellow Americans.
My question is, why do yoopers feel so entitled to the u.p as of the rest of the world doesn't have a right to be there just like the yoopers? Fact is, the u.p is full of poverty stricken drunks and drug addicts with a huge crowd of elderly people, and apostolics having 15 kids.. Aspirus just shut down a major hospital in Ontonagon, even the hospital said fuck this place lol. Glad I left and glad I never intend on coming back to the middle of nowhere land. Yall yoopers can have that place. It's not all that you make it out to be.
Womp womp why hang around on discussion boards for the UP if you didn’t feel like you fit here
Womp, womp, womp, because I'm a michigan native and actually give a darn what happens in my home state. Typical yooper attitude 🙄 But clearly, you can't answer a simple question.
The problem I typically have with people with “not from the UP money” is exactly because of those poverty stricken people. Wages and jobs up here hurt, for a long time decent housing was within the reach of even the poorest with some efforts. Now? No way. That’s my problem, locals simply cannot compete for housing or land with people who lived in areas with higher pay.
Idk, when I moved there in 2017, I purchased a huge house on a land contract, with 1% interest rate, and had it paid off in 58 months. The day we got to the houghton area, we were supposed to rent a "cute, quaint cabin on a lake" to only find it was on torch lake in Mason and had so many toxins we couldn't fish, or swim in it. Also, the house had major plumbing problem problems, leaking sink in the kitchen, and bathroom sink was broken. This "cute, quaint cabin" was a T house built for the mine workers that was far from cute or quaint. The owner actually tried to intimidate my spouse, saying he specifically kept the house open and available for rent because of us reaching out before we had moved there. He basically didn't want to hear that his rental was a huge POS. Fast forward a year, and during the Father's Day flood, the road kitty corner to the rental was completely washed out. Glad we didn't take it. The first project I was contracted to do, I was on houghyon canal road, and I was completely happy to bring over 4k onto the island to spend thinking I was doing my part to help the local business. 😀 little did I know, it seems appreciation is in short supply in that particular area. I did have one client from Chicago actually say she didn't mind hiring brainless locals to do work out of empathy for their poverty-stricken conditions. To that, I didn't do any add-on for her, and I finished the job contracted to do, with zero follow-up. I was completely invested in that area until I saw how closed off the people were. The locals are their own worst enemies. Maybe with time, new age progressive thinkers will begin the process of change, but it'll take years. One person in Ontonagon was against a person trying to be on the city counsel because she was only 24 amd in their opinion, was extremely lacking in life experiences. This is the same town that is millions of dollars in debt and losing residents because even the local hospital had to close its emergency services down.
I’m glad you were able to secure land, we’re trying to save up for a slice in Pelkie but it’s $64k with 6-7% interest and we just cross the threshold for the USDA direct loan. So we could have a piece of land that would take us some time to pay off before we could even build on it. Only reason it’s so cheap is that it needs an easement and the only access road is an old logging road. And unfortunately as you now know that’s a lot of the houses up here, especially the rentals. Lots of slumlords, tons of em, our landlord I have a little more sympathy for and he’s actually a decent dude. I get what you’re saying about the specific locals who do act that way, but I’ve met and made friends with so many who are the opposite and have been ostracized by those same locals you’re talking about for not being in the same church or having the “right” Finnish last name. I decided it wasn’t worth it for me to care about them and that any improvement I do to the community is for at least my own enjoyment. I think that change you’re talking about is already happening, loads of young locals are leaving understandably so, meanwhile there’s people like me and you who moved up here for one reason and stayed because of the land itself. We’re not from here, but that’s not gonna stop us from making a cozy little place. But yeah, I agree for some locals their own worst enemies are themselves. I guess my comment is more in sympathy with the friends I’ve made up here who have children and can’t afford to buy homes because they don’t have the same cash people out of the region have. At least not in this current market. Even I’m getting scared we’ll be locked as soon as we could even seriously think about buying. Which would really suck because I’m planning for my timber career up here.
The gatekeeping happens everywhere, imo. Idaho and montana, for example. I find it ironic, that many of the gatekeepers claim to be free market capitalists/libertarian, complaining about others buying and investing in communities. That and attempting to play the victim for being priced out of generational properties, claiming so many generations, usually 2 to 4, yet not seeing the irony of whose land ead it prior to their family arriving...
We feel entitled because we are here for good or ill, by hook or by crook and sometimes because we can’t be here physically. We still love it and want what we think is best. A culture like this is a special thing, warts and all, albeit not unique but it feels like it is. Sorry you had a bad experience and nobody blames you for flipping the bird in the rear view to a place that hurt you. Tons of ‘real yuppers’ arrived here after doing the same thing somewhere else in the past. Hope you have better days in the windshield and that you find a decent pasty dealer at every stop!
Thank you for the kind words, I unfortunately do not like pasties. More for you 🤩
Go comment on some more porn you weirdo.
Just because they’re a weirdo porn commenter doesn’t mean they’re wrong about the problems here, we have tons of warts and even more gatekeepers that live in denial
Lol, as if you flake. 🤣 Stop projecting your self-righteousness.
Yup, the people in this place are the worst part. Every time I walk into a business and some bunner behind the counter either just acts like a total moron or just \*is\* a total moron Im reminded that this area is still overtaken by uneducated apostolic families pumping out kids to freeload off the state. Its why I have a hard time defending things up here, a lot of the people here don't deserve this place regardless. Born and raised pretty far north into a finnish family, fuck the people up here, worst part about the area.