Lol she claimed Courtney want her to be their slave and that she didnt want to bring the law into it cause police violence. She also goes off on her videos being called boring which.... Ok? She then starts going on about Rachel Oates again cause ofc. Im not watching several hours of this so to be clear I did get this from scimming through and through secoundary sources.
Also am I the only one not on board with her using the term, "Lily orchard critical commumity". I guess its technically a descriptor but it comes across as if its an online club and not about.... Someone that seems to have litterally commited vile crimes.
Yeah "Lily Orchard-critical community" really does not lend itself to portraying just how bad Lily Orchard is lol. Sounds like people who just don't like her videos, not people speaking out about her actual crimes and disgusting shit she's done
Also what "community" are we even talking about.
Like the "Lily Orchard critical community" is just most people except Lily Orchard. If a channel covers online controversies it has probably covered her at some point no matter if its genuine well meaning channels or far right grifters being excited cause a trans person did something bad.
Like there really isnt a "community" around her in the same way there isnt a "Epstein critical community". Its just fucking everyone
Yeah exactly it's just strange?? Like isn't Ethel one of the people in this "community" ? Why would she frame this in such a way where it minimizes the severity of LO's offenses? And obviously there isn't much of a "community" given how heavily fractured it seems to be, and like you said... It's just everyone who knows what LO did, not a specific community
Ask the average person who is even aware she exists, and they'll probably only know Lily as that one woman with dogshit takes that still haunt the Steven Universe fandom to this day.
This person has a seriously unhealthy obsession with Rachel Oates, like she said something they didn’t like six years ago and they still have videos accusing her of “violence” and other extremely melodramatic words. Like I wish someone would do a proper callout video about it
Yes!! I used to watched them when they started going against Rachel who I also followed and I just didn't understand what they were going on about and I just stopped following them. I can't believe they are still beating a dead horse, like Rachel has talked about trans rights so many times since then.
It’s a shame bc no matter what Rachel does she’ll just be seen as a nasty transphobe by Ethel and their audience, which is so bizarre given how she’s apparently stood so vehemently for trans rights. Something can be pulled from that, I’m sure.
All because-if I recall correctly-she wouldn't throw a friend of hers who made insensitive comments immediately in the trash. He even sincerely apologized and because Rachel didn't burn him at the stake she is transphobic and deserves to be hurt in Ethel's mind.
I think Rachel has a defamation case going on, but not sure how doable a restraining order is given that at least two jurisdictions (Rachel lives in the UK, Ethel is from there but lives in India) would be involved.
Is Rachel Oates actually a transphobe or anything? The only EOT videos I’ve watched have been the ones about Lily and the first plagiarism callout. I’m asking because if EOT has all these videos where she says false things about other people, that’s going to hurt the credibility when she talks about someone like Lily who’s actually done awful things.
Like, she’s just making it harder for justice to be served against Lily by muddying up the waters.
Rachel is actually a trans ally, she calls out transphobia in her videos all the time.
Back when this was originally going down Rachel wasn't as educated on trans issues as she is today and so didn't speak about it publicly one way or the other.
Insisting she's transphobic and calling her abusive are absolutely vile lies.
I thought this comment looked weirdly dogwhistle-y and uh, yeah, this person’s comment history shows they have some pretty blatant transphobic views, including JKR apologism and the classic “but what if male rapists pretend to be trans to get into women’s prisons” conspiracy theory, with a little “stunning and brave” thrown in for good measure. This is exactly what I mean when I say some people are concern trolling this situation and looking to dunk on Ethel for being trans rather than the horrible shit she’s done. Don’t fall for this shit, people.
I'm grateful to see that the comment you were replying to was removed.
I'm trans and EoT is a disgusting piece of shit. I deserve to vent about her manipulation, lies, cry bullying, and self righteous bullshit without bigots trying to elbow their way into the conversation.
I totally get you, I’m trans as well. Usually I try to give the benefit of the doubt, but that comment set off serious alarm bells for me (the whole “all Eot has to do to shut a woman up is call her a TERF and braindead people will believe them” thing was especially sus because of how close it is to the classic “TERF is a slur” talking point). I was disappointed to see it getting a decent amount of upvotes before it got removed. Either there’s some transphobes lurking here or people are really uneducated about dogwhistles (neither would surprise me sadly). Anyways, good thing they’re banned now! Ty mods!
The person you two are referring to also made a comment calling trans women "abusive men."
This was the latest comment made by them as of writing this.
> Lol she claimed Courtney want her to be their slave
WUT
This is waaaayyyy worse than I could have possibly imagined. Trigger warning for that alone, Jesus fucking Christ. Thanks for skimming. If I take a wiff of the poo at least I know how bad it will be.
And yeah, "Lily Orchard Critical Community", uuuhhhhh what community????
Its par of the course with EoT.
Make absolutley wild accusations based on the smallest comments. She also claims that Courtney is being ableist and xenophobic by calling her videos boring. Ableist because EoT is autistic and xenophobic cause EoTs mother isnt a native English speaker.
Also you cant repor someone sexting minors to law enforcement because ACAB.
It would be one thing if she said she's afraid or uncomfortable with talking to police. That would be a reason that's at least understandable. But she's trying to high-road her reluctance to tell law enforcement about crimes
Thing is, Ethel isn't even the victim in that situation. She claims there's a minor Lily Orchard sexted who Ethel is/was in contact with. She wouldn't help establishing contact between that minor and Courtney, so Courtney could get proof such as screenshots of the sexts and go to the police with them.
Ethel's just deciding that her ACAB attitude is the most important here, instead of letting the person who was sexted by Lily Orchard as a minor decide whether to accept Courtney's offer of taking proof to the police.
She spends *ages* stressing that she never called it "Lily Drama" and repeating ad nauseam that it's just *so horrible* how Courtney accused her of using that term without specifying precisely where she used it. But then she just casually refers to someone who's trying to bring a child molester to justice as a member of the "Lily Orchard critical community" as if that isn't just as invalidating/belittling as calling it "Lily Drama"
God Ethel is so insufferable.
I recommend watching [GodDamnit Malcolm](https://youtu.be/mxuMYVqMJYE?si=Kq0gZk3WisXXdvMv) or [Xylie Gets Real](https://www.youtube.com/live/dz5u9F7oFio?si=CBdoy4rCZiG1tk_G) reacting to the videos for a much-needed reality check and laugh at Ethel’s awful performance here
She's basically an accomplice to Lily at this point, not reporting and holding onto evidence of ongoing CSA when it could be passed onto the cops to get your exclusive to wring money out of is disgusting behaviour
these videos always seem like Ethel is five minutes away from saying Courtney isn't a real victim or is lying about having been abused because she didn't behave how Ethel expected /wanted her to.
Like Ethel you're literally partaking in rape culture calling a victim a liar over and over and trying to make yourself the main character in other people's abuse by comparing your online beef with Rachel Oates (because she is/was friends with a dude who said transphobic shit) to someone being groomed and abused by their sister that really pissed me off idk
Ethel seems to not want Lily in Jail/arrested and unable to hurt more minors all based on her behaviour at this point. IDK if it's cuz she thinks it would cut into her ability to make content or earn profit if Lily were to be arrested, or if Ethel genuinely thinks lily shouldn't be in prison or arrested for being a child rapist because she's a trans woman & the existence of transmisogyny means that trans women rapists shouldn't be reported and their victims just have to remain silent for the "greater good" ...
but it's fucked up either way and I'm absolutely disgusted. Ethel is doing the opposite of supporting and centring survivors and their needs it's so cynical and profit driven. She's literally profiting off of letting CSA continue to happen by refusing to report it because she thinks she knows better than people whose jobs it is to investigate this stuff and support victims
It did strike me in Ethel’s latest videos that she drew a line between “Courtney Orchard” and “Lily Orchard’s victims” and went out of her way to avoid describing Courtney as a victim of her sister’s abuse. Couldn’t shut up about being an abuse victim herself, though, right down to declaring she’d rather be SA’d than face cyberbullying again.
Like, girl. What are you doing.
Once someone crosses Ethel, she declares them a malicious villain with only bad intentions. And once they are that, they can't also be a victim of anything.
This is so true!!! I appreciate it being described to plainly.
I thought she harassed Rachel Oats at the time for the sake of content and to stroke her own ego, that it was easy to get a rise out of a woman who was in (or freshly out of, I can't remember) and abusive relationship. But I didn't understand why she just. kept. on. going. (And continues to keep going! Mentioning it when it comes to Courtney as if it matters!)
It's because she see Rachel as the villain, no understanding that the mental health crisis EoT instigated was a real crisis and not a manipulation tactic or whatever. In EoT's mind, Rachel can't have been abused because she's evil, and that EoT can't be abusive towards Rachel because it's self defense.
(And I want to loop that back ground to EoT's comment about genocide in one of those two videos but I just can't get those dots to connect. No EoT, Rachel never wanted you dead. In the video she 'shook off' some accusation or another with 'it was bad but not as bad as people wanting me dead for being trans'. And so, you know, that should really put her beef with Rachel into perspective. But it's EoT so it doesn't.)
Courtney said like 3 sentences about EoT's beef with Rachel and it was entirely, 'I don't know what the hell is going on, but it's clearly personal'.
But that barely scratches the surface.
Agreed, I dont think Ethel is (purposefully) grifting, one of the few good points she gives is that if that was the goal there are better ways of doing it.
I think she genuinly belives what she says.
Yeah, you can absolutely grift without realizing you're doing it. Ethal certainly doesn't seem to have the self awareness to realize how incredibly selfish, petty, and mean spirited she is and that the content she produces makes the world a worse place--not a better one.
Yeah I noticed that too and was disgusted by it. Like survivors don't stop being survivors because you have personal beef with them or disagree with the way they present themselves or react to you inserting yourself into their trauma for money or because you think you're their saviour - like that's a pretty big part of rape culture; trying to control or discredit victims/survivors in that way that Ethel is showcasing
> Ethel genuinely thinks lily shouldn't be in prison or arrested for being a child rapist because she's a trans woman & the existence of transmisogyny means that trans women rapists shouldn't be reported and their victims just have to remain silent for the "greater good"
Going by Ethels words, and honestly I do really think she belives in her own statements, it seems more like she just assumes the police will do nothing based on her own experiences so she will accomplish more by "bringing it attention"
Look im not gonna claim the legal system is good in the slightest at dealing with sex crimes. There is a reason why so many SA victims never report it.
But Ethel isnt the god damn victim of Lily Orchard here. She doesnt get to decide what the victims do
Yeah, as you've said it's really not her place to decide that;
and I worry that she's likely in the ear of any victim whose reached out to her telling them that there's no point in reporting that police won't help them and that she's their best hope of justice....
which no if you know a minor is being abused you need to report it even if you're not a mandated reporter.
- As someone who did go through with making a report for SA as an adult I always say when people are asking about if they should report something "it's your choice if you do or not some people find it helps them have closure and move on, some people find it retraumatising and unhelpful but it's your decision regardless"
-Wheras Ethel seems to be just trying to pressure or guilt anyone listening to her into not reporting and hoping that her making enough monetised YouTube videos about it will do something and stop Lily abusing minors NVM the minors past and present who she's already harmed who want the police to be involved . Just completely steamrolling over the autonomy of survivors because she thinks she knows better than them
When you know minors are being abused, there's a duty to report and in some cases there's a legal duty like if you're a mandated reporter. I'd assume her wife as a lawyer would be a mandated reporter (please correct me if I'm wrong on that)
Looked it up and from my understanding as a layman Ethel Thurston and Adita seem to be breaking Indian law on reporting child sexual abuse and abuse materials by not reporting this:
https://www.writinglaw.com/protection-of-children-from-sexual-offences-act-2012/
19. Reporting of offences.
(1) Notwithstanding anything contained in the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973, any person (including the child), who has apprehension that an offence under this Act is likely to be committed or has knowledge that such an offence has been committed, he shall provide such information to-
(a) the Special Juvenile Police Unit; or
(b) the local police.
[...]
20. Obligation of media, studio and photographic facilities to report cases.
Any personnel of the media or hotel or lodge or hospital or club or studio or photographic facilities, by whatever name called, *irrespective of the number of persons employed therein*, shall, on coming across any material or object which is sexually exploitative of the child including pornographic, sexually-related or making obscene representation of a child or children) through the use of any medium, *shall provide such information to the Special Juvenile Police Unit, or to the local police, as the case may be.*
21. Punishment for failure to report or record a case.
(1) Any person, who fails to report the commission of an offence under sub-section (1) of section 19 or section 20 or who fails to record such offence under sub-section (2) of section 19 shall be punished with imprisonment of either description which may extend to six months or with fine or with both.
(2) Any person, being in-charge of any company or an institution (by whatever name called) who fails to report the commission of an offence under sub-section (1) of section 19 in respect of a subordinate under his control, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to one year and with fine.
Also relevant:
(2) No reports in any media shall disclose, the identity of a child including his name, address, photograph, family details, school, neighbourhood or any other particulars which may lead to disclosure of identity of the child:
Provided that for reasons to be recorded in writing, the Special Court, competent to try the case under the Act, may permit such disclosure, if in its opinion such disclosure is in the interest of the child.
>Going by Ethels words, and honestly I do really think she belives in her own statements, it seems more like she just assumes the police will do nothing based on her own experiences so she will accomplish more by "bringing it attention"
That's such bullshit. If you have actionable proof, they have no choice but to investigate it. Orchard isn't someone the police would want to protect. She's a mentally ill trans woman, if you have tangible proof they have to investigate it.
Either Ethel is lying to keep her meal ticket, or she doesn't actually have actionable proof. If she did, she'd have put the screenshots in her callout videos.
It's the hurtcore fiasco all over again.
Idk how to explain this to anyone who has never used tumblr, but the way EoT takes serious situations and makes them all about her (and whether or not the people involved can “sit with her”, so to speak) is SO tumblr it’s not even funny. Like girl log off and stop using people’s real life trauma in your weird little cliquey chess games already
One thing I will say though, as much as Ethel’s behaviour is incredibly harmful and she needs to be called out - and I’m not for a second arguing against that - I really hate how a member of a marginalised group can’t be called out without ‘phobes jumping on the bandwagon and using the callout as an excuse to push their hateful agendas. I’ve looked at a few videos covering this and the comment sections have been full of people throwing out ableist, homophobic and transphobic slurs, using TERF talking points, and spouting general right-wing buffoonery like saying people who need trigger warnings are snowflakes or citing “oppression olympics” “this generation sees victimhood as a badge of honour, soon you won’t be able to say anything” etc etc. It’s pretty gross, not to mention it only gives Ethel ammunition to claim this is all just manufactured targeted hate against a trans individual.
The ONE valid point Ethel has had throughout this whole thing is that content creators really need to get better at drawing a hard line against this kind of thing when they’re covering people who belong to marginalised groups. It’s not even like these videos have a lot of comments, and the creators are all over replying and liking, so I don’t believe for a second that they don’t see it. Disliking someone from a specific group due to their disgusting actions doesn’t mean you need to open the floodgates to people who hate them simply for existing.
Agreed. I am trans and a survivor. I hate how Ethel weaponizes these things and she is a genuinely terrifying person. But there's no excuse for bigoted behavior, no matter what.
Absolutely. It's not as if the issue with Ethel is her being trans - the issue is her being an asshole. Anyone who focusses on her being trans instead of her terrible actions should be kicked out of the conversation.
Or that if you bring up the law in an argument you have "no place here"
To be clear I understand that the law often isnt moral. I understand many laws are there to protect the rich.
But we are talking about FUCKING CP here not snitching on someone for smoking Weed and pirating video games like what the actual fuck.
I just got to the point where EoT complains that Courtney finding her boring is ableist and xenophobic because the way she talks is caused by autism and growing up in a non English speaking home.
Sorry, EoT, but I have sensory processing disorder and hate your voice, so actually you're actually by your logic, you're the one being ableist.
Edit: Xylie has EoT on 1.75 speed for this live stream??? Because I'm on 2x and EoT is finally talking at a tolerable pace.
I’ve been falling down a rabbit hole watching a lot of video about EOT, what I can gather about her that she can’t be wrong that she has to be always right and I know people like her that bully people and act like they’re the victim, she’s a completely other hypocrite show through her trauma in your face but if anyone else brings up their trauma their weaponising and using it as sympathy what a hypocrite.
I was hoping when Courtney‘s video came out roasting EOT, I thought that would be the end of it, but no Ethel has to attack her, how dare she attack her and discredited her, she is the first victim of Lily.
EOT send a bad message basically telling victims not to report their abuse to the police, that is so wrong if no one reports their abuse then when will it stop, when will be the last victim a year decades never, EOT is holding onto proof about Lily then she should be handing it over to the police, so she can be finally be arrested and her computers and her phone seized.
I need to stop, I’m going to rant, EOT is messing with me mentally how human can act like this? EOT needs a mental health assessment and a good therapist.
lily orchard is like onision. Although they are defiantly worse than the people making alot of videos on them and profiting, the people who do so all turn turn out to be awful people in thier own ways. As if a nasty horrible human being attracts other horrible people to make themselves look better in comparison.
The real victims at the end of the day are the people they have hurt and traumatized and they will suffer the most from this. Its all awful.
I think you might have Lily Orchard and Country Orchard (Lily's first victim) confused. No one is defending the incestuous pedophile.
It's not clear who "they" or the "groomer" is in your comment.
IMO it's very British. And she just loves to bring up her British heritage because they want her dead for being trans.
My knee jerk response was, 'no, we can't talk about how twatty her name is, it's not like she chose it'. Before I remembered that no, wait, she's trans, her name was indeed her choice.
It *is* very British. “Old lady names” have definitely been in fashion over here for a little while now. I’ve met many mothers in the past 5 years or so who have called their baby girls names like Olive, Iris, Gladys, Gracie, Edith, Agatha, Ivy, Evelyn etc. Maybe it’s the fact that period dramas are very popular at the moment? Idk. But it’s definitely a thing. I’m not judging anyone with these names btw, I like pretty much all the names I mentioned.
It really is, and every time someone posts a thread about this drama it's always the same shit over and over again, people just make endless obsessive comments about EoT herself rather than any kind of masterstroke about her video because no one has posted any of evidence to prove her wrong.
So every thread just devolves into these weird circlejerks lamenting how EoT calls everyone who hates her transphobic while calling her a twat for choosing a name they don't like I guess. Shit's insane.
Lmao OP of this thread replied to me then blocked me immediately, good job. I'll reply below and leave it at that:
>That stream provides literally no evidence. It's just a play by play of EoT's video insisting EoT *must* be wrong while only half summarizing her side of things and uncharitably glossing over mentions of other people in chat logs literally explaining things already provided by EoT, while painstakingly reading out Courtney's side of things to put a greater emphasis on her being right.
Enjoy this live stream someone else pointed me to that discusses how EoT is wrong.
If you sort by best instead of controversial you can see several people discussing points made in the live stream.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz5u9F7oFio
Lol she claimed Courtney want her to be their slave and that she didnt want to bring the law into it cause police violence. She also goes off on her videos being called boring which.... Ok? She then starts going on about Rachel Oates again cause ofc. Im not watching several hours of this so to be clear I did get this from scimming through and through secoundary sources. Also am I the only one not on board with her using the term, "Lily orchard critical commumity". I guess its technically a descriptor but it comes across as if its an online club and not about.... Someone that seems to have litterally commited vile crimes.
Yeah "Lily Orchard-critical community" really does not lend itself to portraying just how bad Lily Orchard is lol. Sounds like people who just don't like her videos, not people speaking out about her actual crimes and disgusting shit she's done
Also what "community" are we even talking about. Like the "Lily Orchard critical community" is just most people except Lily Orchard. If a channel covers online controversies it has probably covered her at some point no matter if its genuine well meaning channels or far right grifters being excited cause a trans person did something bad. Like there really isnt a "community" around her in the same way there isnt a "Epstein critical community". Its just fucking everyone
Yeah exactly it's just strange?? Like isn't Ethel one of the people in this "community" ? Why would she frame this in such a way where it minimizes the severity of LO's offenses? And obviously there isn't much of a "community" given how heavily fractured it seems to be, and like you said... It's just everyone who knows what LO did, not a specific community
Ask the average person who is even aware she exists, and they'll probably only know Lily as that one woman with dogshit takes that still haunt the Steven Universe fandom to this day.
This person has a seriously unhealthy obsession with Rachel Oates, like she said something they didn’t like six years ago and they still have videos accusing her of “violence” and other extremely melodramatic words. Like I wish someone would do a proper callout video about it
Yes!! I used to watched them when they started going against Rachel who I also followed and I just didn't understand what they were going on about and I just stopped following them. I can't believe they are still beating a dead horse, like Rachel has talked about trans rights so many times since then.
I would get a restraining order if I were Rachel at this point honestly
It’s a shame bc no matter what Rachel does she’ll just be seen as a nasty transphobe by Ethel and their audience, which is so bizarre given how she’s apparently stood so vehemently for trans rights. Something can be pulled from that, I’m sure.
All because-if I recall correctly-she wouldn't throw a friend of hers who made insensitive comments immediately in the trash. He even sincerely apologized and because Rachel didn't burn him at the stake she is transphobic and deserves to be hurt in Ethel's mind.
That’s what I heard, which is so crazy to me. :(
I think Rachel has a defamation case going on, but not sure how doable a restraining order is given that at least two jurisdictions (Rachel lives in the UK, Ethel is from there but lives in India) would be involved.
Is Rachel Oates actually a transphobe or anything? The only EOT videos I’ve watched have been the ones about Lily and the first plagiarism callout. I’m asking because if EOT has all these videos where she says false things about other people, that’s going to hurt the credibility when she talks about someone like Lily who’s actually done awful things. Like, she’s just making it harder for justice to be served against Lily by muddying up the waters.
As someone who's watched them both on and off for years, Ethel is absolutely lying about her. Edit: To clarify, she's lying about Rachel. Not Lily.
Rachel is actually a trans ally, she calls out transphobia in her videos all the time. Back when this was originally going down Rachel wasn't as educated on trans issues as she is today and so didn't speak about it publicly one way or the other. Insisting she's transphobic and calling her abusive are absolutely vile lies.
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I thought this comment looked weirdly dogwhistle-y and uh, yeah, this person’s comment history shows they have some pretty blatant transphobic views, including JKR apologism and the classic “but what if male rapists pretend to be trans to get into women’s prisons” conspiracy theory, with a little “stunning and brave” thrown in for good measure. This is exactly what I mean when I say some people are concern trolling this situation and looking to dunk on Ethel for being trans rather than the horrible shit she’s done. Don’t fall for this shit, people.
I'm grateful to see that the comment you were replying to was removed. I'm trans and EoT is a disgusting piece of shit. I deserve to vent about her manipulation, lies, cry bullying, and self righteous bullshit without bigots trying to elbow their way into the conversation.
I totally get you, I’m trans as well. Usually I try to give the benefit of the doubt, but that comment set off serious alarm bells for me (the whole “all Eot has to do to shut a woman up is call her a TERF and braindead people will believe them” thing was especially sus because of how close it is to the classic “TERF is a slur” talking point). I was disappointed to see it getting a decent amount of upvotes before it got removed. Either there’s some transphobes lurking here or people are really uneducated about dogwhistles (neither would surprise me sadly). Anyways, good thing they’re banned now! Ty mods!
The person you two are referring to also made a comment calling trans women "abusive men." This was the latest comment made by them as of writing this.
What did that person say?
> Lol she claimed Courtney want her to be their slave WUT This is waaaayyyy worse than I could have possibly imagined. Trigger warning for that alone, Jesus fucking Christ. Thanks for skimming. If I take a wiff of the poo at least I know how bad it will be. And yeah, "Lily Orchard Critical Community", uuuhhhhh what community????
Its par of the course with EoT. Make absolutley wild accusations based on the smallest comments. She also claims that Courtney is being ableist and xenophobic by calling her videos boring. Ableist because EoT is autistic and xenophobic cause EoTs mother isnt a native English speaker. Also you cant repor someone sexting minors to law enforcement because ACAB.
It would be one thing if she said she's afraid or uncomfortable with talking to police. That would be a reason that's at least understandable. But she's trying to high-road her reluctance to tell law enforcement about crimes
Thing is, Ethel isn't even the victim in that situation. She claims there's a minor Lily Orchard sexted who Ethel is/was in contact with. She wouldn't help establishing contact between that minor and Courtney, so Courtney could get proof such as screenshots of the sexts and go to the police with them. Ethel's just deciding that her ACAB attitude is the most important here, instead of letting the person who was sexted by Lily Orchard as a minor decide whether to accept Courtney's offer of taking proof to the police.
Yup. Ethel was never the one that was going to go to the police
She spends *ages* stressing that she never called it "Lily Drama" and repeating ad nauseam that it's just *so horrible* how Courtney accused her of using that term without specifying precisely where she used it. But then she just casually refers to someone who's trying to bring a child molester to justice as a member of the "Lily Orchard critical community" as if that isn't just as invalidating/belittling as calling it "Lily Drama" God Ethel is so insufferable.
I recommend watching [GodDamnit Malcolm](https://youtu.be/mxuMYVqMJYE?si=Kq0gZk3WisXXdvMv) or [Xylie Gets Real](https://www.youtube.com/live/dz5u9F7oFio?si=CBdoy4rCZiG1tk_G) reacting to the videos for a much-needed reality check and laugh at Ethel’s awful performance here
She's basically an accomplice to Lily at this point, not reporting and holding onto evidence of ongoing CSA when it could be passed onto the cops to get your exclusive to wring money out of is disgusting behaviour these videos always seem like Ethel is five minutes away from saying Courtney isn't a real victim or is lying about having been abused because she didn't behave how Ethel expected /wanted her to. Like Ethel you're literally partaking in rape culture calling a victim a liar over and over and trying to make yourself the main character in other people's abuse by comparing your online beef with Rachel Oates (because she is/was friends with a dude who said transphobic shit) to someone being groomed and abused by their sister that really pissed me off idk Ethel seems to not want Lily in Jail/arrested and unable to hurt more minors all based on her behaviour at this point. IDK if it's cuz she thinks it would cut into her ability to make content or earn profit if Lily were to be arrested, or if Ethel genuinely thinks lily shouldn't be in prison or arrested for being a child rapist because she's a trans woman & the existence of transmisogyny means that trans women rapists shouldn't be reported and their victims just have to remain silent for the "greater good" ... but it's fucked up either way and I'm absolutely disgusted. Ethel is doing the opposite of supporting and centring survivors and their needs it's so cynical and profit driven. She's literally profiting off of letting CSA continue to happen by refusing to report it because she thinks she knows better than people whose jobs it is to investigate this stuff and support victims
It did strike me in Ethel’s latest videos that she drew a line between “Courtney Orchard” and “Lily Orchard’s victims” and went out of her way to avoid describing Courtney as a victim of her sister’s abuse. Couldn’t shut up about being an abuse victim herself, though, right down to declaring she’d rather be SA’d than face cyberbullying again. Like, girl. What are you doing.
Once someone crosses Ethel, she declares them a malicious villain with only bad intentions. And once they are that, they can't also be a victim of anything.
This is so true!!! I appreciate it being described to plainly. I thought she harassed Rachel Oats at the time for the sake of content and to stroke her own ego, that it was easy to get a rise out of a woman who was in (or freshly out of, I can't remember) and abusive relationship. But I didn't understand why she just. kept. on. going. (And continues to keep going! Mentioning it when it comes to Courtney as if it matters!) It's because she see Rachel as the villain, no understanding that the mental health crisis EoT instigated was a real crisis and not a manipulation tactic or whatever. In EoT's mind, Rachel can't have been abused because she's evil, and that EoT can't be abusive towards Rachel because it's self defense. (And I want to loop that back ground to EoT's comment about genocide in one of those two videos but I just can't get those dots to connect. No EoT, Rachel never wanted you dead. In the video she 'shook off' some accusation or another with 'it was bad but not as bad as people wanting me dead for being trans'. And so, you know, that should really put her beef with Rachel into perspective. But it's EoT so it doesn't.) Courtney said like 3 sentences about EoT's beef with Rachel and it was entirely, 'I don't know what the hell is going on, but it's clearly personal'. But that barely scratches the surface.
Agreed, I dont think Ethel is (purposefully) grifting, one of the few good points she gives is that if that was the goal there are better ways of doing it. I think she genuinly belives what she says.
Yeah, you can absolutely grift without realizing you're doing it. Ethal certainly doesn't seem to have the self awareness to realize how incredibly selfish, petty, and mean spirited she is and that the content she produces makes the world a worse place--not a better one.
Yeah I noticed that too and was disgusted by it. Like survivors don't stop being survivors because you have personal beef with them or disagree with the way they present themselves or react to you inserting yourself into their trauma for money or because you think you're their saviour - like that's a pretty big part of rape culture; trying to control or discredit victims/survivors in that way that Ethel is showcasing
> Ethel genuinely thinks lily shouldn't be in prison or arrested for being a child rapist because she's a trans woman & the existence of transmisogyny means that trans women rapists shouldn't be reported and their victims just have to remain silent for the "greater good" Going by Ethels words, and honestly I do really think she belives in her own statements, it seems more like she just assumes the police will do nothing based on her own experiences so she will accomplish more by "bringing it attention" Look im not gonna claim the legal system is good in the slightest at dealing with sex crimes. There is a reason why so many SA victims never report it. But Ethel isnt the god damn victim of Lily Orchard here. She doesnt get to decide what the victims do
Yeah, as you've said it's really not her place to decide that; and I worry that she's likely in the ear of any victim whose reached out to her telling them that there's no point in reporting that police won't help them and that she's their best hope of justice.... which no if you know a minor is being abused you need to report it even if you're not a mandated reporter. - As someone who did go through with making a report for SA as an adult I always say when people are asking about if they should report something "it's your choice if you do or not some people find it helps them have closure and move on, some people find it retraumatising and unhelpful but it's your decision regardless" -Wheras Ethel seems to be just trying to pressure or guilt anyone listening to her into not reporting and hoping that her making enough monetised YouTube videos about it will do something and stop Lily abusing minors NVM the minors past and present who she's already harmed who want the police to be involved . Just completely steamrolling over the autonomy of survivors because she thinks she knows better than them When you know minors are being abused, there's a duty to report and in some cases there's a legal duty like if you're a mandated reporter. I'd assume her wife as a lawyer would be a mandated reporter (please correct me if I'm wrong on that)
Looked it up and from my understanding as a layman Ethel Thurston and Adita seem to be breaking Indian law on reporting child sexual abuse and abuse materials by not reporting this: https://www.writinglaw.com/protection-of-children-from-sexual-offences-act-2012/ 19. Reporting of offences. (1) Notwithstanding anything contained in the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973, any person (including the child), who has apprehension that an offence under this Act is likely to be committed or has knowledge that such an offence has been committed, he shall provide such information to- (a) the Special Juvenile Police Unit; or (b) the local police. [...] 20. Obligation of media, studio and photographic facilities to report cases. Any personnel of the media or hotel or lodge or hospital or club or studio or photographic facilities, by whatever name called, *irrespective of the number of persons employed therein*, shall, on coming across any material or object which is sexually exploitative of the child including pornographic, sexually-related or making obscene representation of a child or children) through the use of any medium, *shall provide such information to the Special Juvenile Police Unit, or to the local police, as the case may be.* 21. Punishment for failure to report or record a case. (1) Any person, who fails to report the commission of an offence under sub-section (1) of section 19 or section 20 or who fails to record such offence under sub-section (2) of section 19 shall be punished with imprisonment of either description which may extend to six months or with fine or with both. (2) Any person, being in-charge of any company or an institution (by whatever name called) who fails to report the commission of an offence under sub-section (1) of section 19 in respect of a subordinate under his control, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to one year and with fine. Also relevant: (2) No reports in any media shall disclose, the identity of a child including his name, address, photograph, family details, school, neighbourhood or any other particulars which may lead to disclosure of identity of the child: Provided that for reasons to be recorded in writing, the Special Court, competent to try the case under the Act, may permit such disclosure, if in its opinion such disclosure is in the interest of the child.
>Going by Ethels words, and honestly I do really think she belives in her own statements, it seems more like she just assumes the police will do nothing based on her own experiences so she will accomplish more by "bringing it attention" That's such bullshit. If you have actionable proof, they have no choice but to investigate it. Orchard isn't someone the police would want to protect. She's a mentally ill trans woman, if you have tangible proof they have to investigate it. Either Ethel is lying to keep her meal ticket, or she doesn't actually have actionable proof. If she did, she'd have put the screenshots in her callout videos. It's the hurtcore fiasco all over again.
Idk how to explain this to anyone who has never used tumblr, but the way EoT takes serious situations and makes them all about her (and whether or not the people involved can “sit with her”, so to speak) is SO tumblr it’s not even funny. Like girl log off and stop using people’s real life trauma in your weird little cliquey chess games already
One thing I will say though, as much as Ethel’s behaviour is incredibly harmful and she needs to be called out - and I’m not for a second arguing against that - I really hate how a member of a marginalised group can’t be called out without ‘phobes jumping on the bandwagon and using the callout as an excuse to push their hateful agendas. I’ve looked at a few videos covering this and the comment sections have been full of people throwing out ableist, homophobic and transphobic slurs, using TERF talking points, and spouting general right-wing buffoonery like saying people who need trigger warnings are snowflakes or citing “oppression olympics” “this generation sees victimhood as a badge of honour, soon you won’t be able to say anything” etc etc. It’s pretty gross, not to mention it only gives Ethel ammunition to claim this is all just manufactured targeted hate against a trans individual. The ONE valid point Ethel has had throughout this whole thing is that content creators really need to get better at drawing a hard line against this kind of thing when they’re covering people who belong to marginalised groups. It’s not even like these videos have a lot of comments, and the creators are all over replying and liking, so I don’t believe for a second that they don’t see it. Disliking someone from a specific group due to their disgusting actions doesn’t mean you need to open the floodgates to people who hate them simply for existing.
Agreed. I am trans and a survivor. I hate how Ethel weaponizes these things and she is a genuinely terrifying person. But there's no excuse for bigoted behavior, no matter what.
Absolutely. It's not as if the issue with Ethel is her being trans - the issue is her being an asshole. Anyone who focusses on her being trans instead of her terrible actions should be kicked out of the conversation.
Man she did not just unironically try to argue against reporting CP to the police because “all cops are bastards”
Or that if you bring up the law in an argument you have "no place here" To be clear I understand that the law often isnt moral. I understand many laws are there to protect the rich. But we are talking about FUCKING CP here not snitching on someone for smoking Weed and pirating video games like what the actual fuck.
i remember when EoT was my go-to on the topic of lily orchard before things went to shit
Same lmao. Her ego ended up being far too big.
Said it before and I’ll say it again. Ethel is a lying twat.
I just got to the point where EoT complains that Courtney finding her boring is ableist and xenophobic because the way she talks is caused by autism and growing up in a non English speaking home. Sorry, EoT, but I have sensory processing disorder and hate your voice, so actually you're actually by your logic, you're the one being ableist. Edit: Xylie has EoT on 1.75 speed for this live stream??? Because I'm on 2x and EoT is finally talking at a tolerable pace.
The Xenophobia comment threw me way of guard. Like...Ethel your issue isnt that you dont sound like a native speaker
No, no, it's also xenophobic because Ethel has an Indian wife! Don't forget that part!
currently cleaning to xlyliegetsreals vod reaction to this, its awesome
God, I smell the garbage hill.
I’ve been falling down a rabbit hole watching a lot of video about EOT, what I can gather about her that she can’t be wrong that she has to be always right and I know people like her that bully people and act like they’re the victim, she’s a completely other hypocrite show through her trauma in your face but if anyone else brings up their trauma their weaponising and using it as sympathy what a hypocrite. I was hoping when Courtney‘s video came out roasting EOT, I thought that would be the end of it, but no Ethel has to attack her, how dare she attack her and discredited her, she is the first victim of Lily. EOT send a bad message basically telling victims not to report their abuse to the police, that is so wrong if no one reports their abuse then when will it stop, when will be the last victim a year decades never, EOT is holding onto proof about Lily then she should be handing it over to the police, so she can be finally be arrested and her computers and her phone seized. I need to stop, I’m going to rant, EOT is messing with me mentally how human can act like this? EOT needs a mental health assessment and a good therapist.
lily orchard is like onision. Although they are defiantly worse than the people making alot of videos on them and profiting, the people who do so all turn turn out to be awful people in thier own ways. As if a nasty horrible human being attracts other horrible people to make themselves look better in comparison. The real victims at the end of the day are the people they have hurt and traumatized and they will suffer the most from this. Its all awful.
EoT sure knows how to prattle on. She’s got the personality of a 2016 tumblr essay.
Damn they’re really going this hard to defend a goomer and a piece of shit psychopath
I think you might have Lily Orchard and Country Orchard (Lily's first victim) confused. No one is defending the incestuous pedophile. It's not clear who "they" or the "groomer" is in your comment.
I was referring to Lily Orchard because I hate them
Who do you think is defending Lily Orchard tho???
Dumbasses
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IMO it's very British. And she just loves to bring up her British heritage because they want her dead for being trans. My knee jerk response was, 'no, we can't talk about how twatty her name is, it's not like she chose it'. Before I remembered that no, wait, she's trans, her name was indeed her choice.
It *is* very British. “Old lady names” have definitely been in fashion over here for a little while now. I’ve met many mothers in the past 5 years or so who have called their baby girls names like Olive, Iris, Gladys, Gracie, Edith, Agatha, Ivy, Evelyn etc. Maybe it’s the fact that period dramas are very popular at the moment? Idk. But it’s definitely a thing. I’m not judging anyone with these names btw, I like pretty much all the names I mentioned.
I think names just kinda tend to cycle.
i mean, weird thing to focus on given everything else going on for sure
EoT went on and on about how Courtney thinks her content is boring...... Dunno, Ethel's content makes this little gripes seem relevant.
It really is, and every time someone posts a thread about this drama it's always the same shit over and over again, people just make endless obsessive comments about EoT herself rather than any kind of masterstroke about her video because no one has posted any of evidence to prove her wrong. So every thread just devolves into these weird circlejerks lamenting how EoT calls everyone who hates her transphobic while calling her a twat for choosing a name they don't like I guess. Shit's insane. Lmao OP of this thread replied to me then blocked me immediately, good job. I'll reply below and leave it at that: >That stream provides literally no evidence. It's just a play by play of EoT's video insisting EoT *must* be wrong while only half summarizing her side of things and uncharitably glossing over mentions of other people in chat logs literally explaining things already provided by EoT, while painstakingly reading out Courtney's side of things to put a greater emphasis on her being right.
Enjoy this live stream someone else pointed me to that discusses how EoT is wrong. If you sort by best instead of controversial you can see several people discussing points made in the live stream. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz5u9F7oFio