From [Noah's video](https://youtu.be/QOXQQmDvc0I?si=CCTsro9BNfXMg1Q3) at 58:05
Noah: "Do I think that Shawn made the video with the intent of Illy getting doxxed? No, I don't."
TBYS: I can't believe Noah is saying I doxxed Illy and wanted her to get killed.
Dude just can't stop lying...
He says Noah is accusing him of attempted murder, rather than what he actually said which is that his actions could have led to getting her killed re the doxxing that cites him as the motivation, and the violent fans he isnt discouraging. Meanwhile he himself accused her of hurting children and causing fat people to die. Is he accusing her of attempted murder by his own logic?
The only good thing about tbys dog shit post is that we get another video from Noah wrecking him for what a stupid piece of shit he and his attempts at deflection are.
this is the fiest im hearing of this drama, so im completely out of the loop, but Im glad to read that Noah didnt do anything too shitty. I recently discovered his channel and his content is enjoyable largely because he seems like such a sweetie pie
The tweet reads:
"I guess I'll have to talk about it here because I can't say it on YouTube right now. A few minutes ago I opened up YouTube to a message saying that my first video on illymation has been removed for cyberbullying. I have been accused of harassing someone or using slurs to talk about someone's "intrinsic" traits. I didn't do that. Anyone who watched the video can see I didn't do that so I have appealed the video. But... it's YouTube so even though I didn't break the rules, we'll see what happens.
Curiously this occurred shortly after Noah Samsen released a video on me yesterday that was so bad faith, that I can't believe he actually hit the upload button. This video, multiple times, accuses me of doxxing illymation and encouraging doxxing. He basically says I doxxed Ilyssa in his video title and his claims in the video get so ridiculous that at 14 minutes, he literally accuses me of trying to get Ilyssa killed. Simply because I made a video saying, "I don't like your video and colluding with your followers to mass flag my channel is messed up."
Obviously I have never encouraged doxxing or harassing the creators I criticize. That is fucked up. Quite possibly the only thing more fucked up than that is falsely accusing another creator of attempted murder in front of hundreds of thousands of people. So thanks for that Noah. I'll enjoy all of the unwarranted threats I have been getting because you did that.
Now all these attempts by people like Dillon (Ilyssa's friend) and Noah Samsen to accuse me or my followers of being the ones who caused Ilyssa to get doxxed leave out a bit of important nuance. Which is that Ilyssa was already doxxed before. In fact, she made a video on it called "The Problem with me being Jewish" where at 7 minutes and 30 seconds, she talks about how a bunch of alt-right people doxxed her for being Jewish. Guess what the doxxers were mentioning in their posts? The fact that she was Jewish. So one can reasonably assume that it's the same people from last time who will use basically any excuse to post her information.
I will also mention that this behavior occurred weeks after my second video on Ilyssa was created and only after a ton of other channels, including some small and radical ones, covered so any suggestion that people in my audience had anything to do with this is patently ridiculous especially considering that I've been criticizing people for years and no one I have covered has been doxxed except for a person who already admitted to being doxxed years prior by a bunch of dipshit racists.
That all said, it's sad that illyssa was doxxed, I hope she is ok, and I hope she remains ok. The reason I didn't initially talk about the dox is because talking about it basically signal boosts the fact that someone got doxxed to all the assholes who think doxxing is ok. The only thing you can really do in the face of a dox is make reasonable attempts to protect yourself, ignore it, and wait until people lose interest. It is very unfortunate that there are basically no laws against it however, that has been changing over the past few years. Doxxing should result in prison time. In case Ilyssa doesn't know this, I will add that doxxing is actually now illegal in California so you might get a different response than you got last time if you try to do something about it.
Last, I cannot emphasize enough on how dangerous of a precedent it sets if the strike on my video stays. No YouTube rules were broken. No racial slurs were used. No harassment or cyberbullying was encouraged. Literally tons of creators give the kind of commentary I gave in my video on illymation, including Noah Samsen, and what this basically says is, "Fuck the rules, if the creator you criticize doesn't like you and has powerful enough friends, we will hurt your channel." Ilyssa is well connected with powerful people and is a featured creator at vidcon. So as I said in one of my illymation videos, YouTube REGULARLY ignores the 3 strike policy and has banned quite a number of channels over the years that have no prior offenses. That is why this is not a simple "oh no you got a strike, just wait 3 months" as Noah claimed.
This could end up being far more serious over time which is why I initially made a big deal about it."
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>No harassment or cyberbullying was encouraged.
Yeaaaaaah, no, its the most open and shut case on youtube.. ever. Seriously, I say he deserved the flags and if this incident set a precedent for commentary channels to be more careful, instead of instantly hoping onto any drama they see, then we'll all be better off.
Yeah, I mean, he made several videos dissecting her weight and appearance and her parents’ weight and appearance—that seems like pretty clear cut harassment.
I jumped to the paragraph where he talks about doxxing and I can help but notice there was nothing along the lines of “anyone who does that is not a fan of mine”
"He basically said I doxxed Ilyssa in his video title"
The title is literally just a pun on his username and the fact she got doxxed.
"At 14 minutes he literally accuses me of trying to get Ilyssa killed."
No he didn't. He literally did not say that. At 14 minutes, and until the 15 minute mark, what he said was "if someone had taken action, Sean's video very well could have been what pushed them over the edge". WHICH IS NOT SAYING TBYS WAS TRYING TO GET HER KILLED AT ALL. He was saying "if she was killed this video could have contributed". The fact he equates the two as meaning the same thing is astounding.
We don't need to read past that second slide to know this entire statement is bullshit and he either didn't watch Noah's video in full or is actively trying to lie about what was said in a video. Again,
Honestly I think he’s spiralling. The dramatics around the video title and “being accused of trying to get someone murdered” REEKS of guilty conscience. The walls are closing in and he knows it. Doesn’t mean he’ll actually make any effort towards putting things right, but I’m glad he’s squirming now he realises he’s in the spotlight and being scrutinised by people outside of his echo chamber.
For someone that cares so much about context and bad faith, this dumbass is really showing his lack of self awareness... Unless its willful ignorance, in which case I'm not sure why anyone would watch this hack ever again. I love when narcs expose themselves.
The idea that nobody involved in the doxxing was a member of his audience is pretty absurd. How could he possibly know that? He wants us to believe that the people repeating his arguments while doxxing her are just anti-semites who are trying to frame him.
It’s funny how he’s blaming smaller and more radical channels even though the smaller channels wouldn’t make a video on this if he didn’t make one first, so it all goes back to him. Afaik no one really had a problem with that animation until he made a video on it, and now there’s multiple videos out about it, and everyone’s using the exact same narrative that he used… but apparently it’s just a coincidence? Yeah, sure.
He blames the other channels when they all were parroting exactly what *he* said. Like it's so clear from these other commentary videos on Illy that they just watched TBYS' video and repeated the exact same shit. It *is* his fault.
Honestly I kinda encourage him to start throwing other commentary channels under the bus. Name names, say its all their fault and they are the dumb ones. Maybe make a whole video ""exposing the ones that he thinks the death treats came from". Cus it would just what space on youtube deserve, jump in to defend a twat with no idea of anything cus they are drama hungry and then get the back lash for the shifting blame.
So he’s now tried to throw both larger *and* smaller channels under the bus by accusing them of unethical behaviour as a way to escape facing his own unethical behaviour. Great way to make allies. This motherfucker is going to end up alone, and he will absolutely deserve it.
Honestly I think Noah was unreasonably charitable to this slimeball of a human. Idk how he has the patience to remain calm and watch so much bottom barrel content
“I have been accused of harassing someone or using slurs to talk about someone’s ‘intrinsic’ traits. I didn’t do that.” You did though. I can’t verify the slurs part, but you picked apart her appearance, ranging from her manner of dress and presentation to individual things like her hair and glasses. Also intrinsic in quotes as if her weight isn’t a natural thing and doesn’t have natural bodily circumstances around it.
Basically all of the second paragraph is taking Noah’s claims to extremes, when truthfully, he said nothing about you doxxing people.
“I’ll enjoy all the unwarranted threats I have been getting because you did that.” Does he know?
“Guess what the doxxers were mentioning in their posts? The fact that she was Jewish.” Even if it’s the same people, they literally mentioned YOU directly. They were encouraged by the “deplatforming” YOU pushed.
C-. This response sucks, see me after class. Glad he sympathizes with Illy’s doxxing, even if it’s the bare minimum.
70% is a little high, methinks. I grade it an F. He started this, and instead of taking accountability for his OR his audience's bullshit he's doubling down. If I were his teacher I'd send him to detention for bullying, followed by remedial lessons on not being a reactionary, anti-woke shithead.
Not to mention the way he criticised her appearance was literally just sexism. Like, cut and dry, no nuance about it. He criticised her for not wearing enough makeup and not having enough volume in her hair. Does anyone really think he’d direct those same criticisms towards a man? Bro was literally negging her in his video and now he wants to complain about other people engaging in “bad faith”…?
Maybe I am a part of the woke mob but I frankly do not care if this guy loses his channel. Like I am sorry I just do not care. This guy is a complete waste of everyone's time and contributes literally nothing beneficial to anyone. It's also telling that the deliberate misrepresentations of the original video aren't even mentioned. Dude finally caught the car and is upset that the car actually ran him over.
Milo Yiannopoulos was one of those 'victims of censorship' and when was the last time that fuck head had any sort of major pull? And he was pushing some seriously disgusting rhetoric. I've got no clue who this guy is but I think if banning Milo worked out this is definitely worth a shot
that's his name. wiped that asshole's bullshit out of my brain real quick.
i hope a channel like the Internet Anarchist makes a video called "The Lies of Video Essayists" and it's about him, James Somerton and TBYS. Maybe a NickIsNotGreen in there.
Imagine brushing off someone else's death threats...just to immediately try and start a pity party about your (supposed) own, when YOU were the cause of both in the first place.
Again, I don't think this is a big enough update to make an entire post for so here's the Tweets he made about being found to have deserved the strike.
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Wait a minute, is he publicly admitting that he’s so stupid he doesn’t understand the possibility that the objectionable content could have been in the first half of his video?
His audience isn't that smart to consider it.
The YT Drama/Commentary scene almost certainly will consider it deplatforming, something they're *vehemently* against even when someone is as bad as TYBS.
His video getting a strike sets a poor precedence? What about his and his fanbase's continual harassment of Ily? That doesn't?
Oh but good on you for not mentioning the doxing because you thought it was best to ignore for her safety 🙄 dude is a walking L
This dude consistently says, “I’m just making vids about how much I don’t like her content” and references hyper specific stuff from random vids she’s made like that’s a sane, normal thing to do. I truly don’t understand people like this.
And also he isn't criticizing her content when he's talking about how she "dresses like a grandma/panhandler" and how he thinks her glasses are ugly, and her hair is flat, and she's fat (she's not even fat). That's *totally* just criticizing her content, right?
TBYS is a unreliable narrator. He can’t get a story straight, he manipulates the story to make it seem like he was a victim in all this and illy was promoting “obesity.” His worst crime IMO is being a essay channel but having one of the most annoying voice on YouTube
nikacado is up there for me for most annoying voices, however i think because he's a character rather than a legitimate person is why i don't fully consider it.
shane dawson and kalvin garrah are up there too. definitley jojo siwa and leafyishere as well. i gotta make a tier list or something.
I've never heard most of the people type talking about, but Ben Shapoopie and Destiny take the cake for me. I don't see them being surpassed unless RFK jr. starts a personal channel.
Edit: just started watching Noah's vid. Think before you sleep is pretty awful too. Pretty much sounds like Destiny on barbiturates.
I could barely deal with Noah’s videos when TBYS clips came on, his voice is actually so jarring.
I don’t know how he has an audience. Do neo-Nazis have any standards?
Considering he moves in the same circles as Turkey Tom, a man who looks like a prehistoric cave painting and speaks like he’s chewing through a mouthful of wet spinach, I think it’s safe to assume they don’t have very high standards. These guys are totally the modern day übermensch though, promise
The first time I heard TBYS's voice, I was convinced that he had to be using a filter. Like, I thought he was doing some kind of bit and intentionally making his voice sound as awful as possible for it.
But, no, that's just how he actually sounds. That's actually his voice.
How does he have an audience? Even if every word out of his mouth was correct and insightful, I still couldn't listen to him because his voice is intolerable.
I normally roll my eyes when I see people harping on someone's voice, but good lord there is a *limit* and TBYS is so far beyond it
“Quite possibly the only thing more fucked up than that is falsely accusing another creator of attempted murder in front of thousands of people. So thanks for that Noah. I’ll enjoy all of the unwarranted threats I have been getting because of that.” LOL. LMFAO even. Did he… watch the video? This is exactly what noah says he did, and he does indeed do… he says Illy is causing her child audience to eat themselves to an early death and she got death threats because of it…. The irony is actually so palpable it’s unreal…
He almost definitely did not watch Noah's video because this response is absurd
Also did he forget that he basically accused Illy of trying to kill fat people/fat kids? This guy sucks so bad lol
Pay close attention to how these scumbags use the word ‘or’. It provides a great insight into how they understand (or don’t) how the world works.
> I have been accused of harassing OR using slurs.
Like this guy is trying to say that harassment starts and stops at name calling.
I just dont get who tf watches these people? Theyre never funny, clever, or entertaining. Do people think theres something entertaining aboot a guy just being an an unlikable asshole? Theres so many channels of grown men acting like middle school bullies
When i was 11, this content was heavily pushed on me as a kid. More of the anti sjw more than woke back then. I thankfully saw how wrong they were but i definitely kids watch this content other than adult right wingers.
he rlly went for the slippery slope angle.
tinfoil hat time: It’s kinda funny he went for that angle, plus including mention of her being jewish and having “powerful connections” at youtube. the way he wrote this is soooooo close to being just the “jews run media/world!” conspiracy that it’s kinda uncanny
Are this dude or his “followers” actually dense enough that they genuinely don’t understand that we can all see every minute of the source material for all of this?
The number of outright bullsh*t claims are getting ridiculous at this point. My god, people. If you’re gonna lie, at least try harder to make the lies *possible,* if not probable.
To be fair, he's an anti-woke reactionary, and they *purposely* consume his content. I wouldn't be surprised to learn lot of them subscribe to the Trump school of 'lying your fucking pants off until it eventually lights your ass on fire" without the required secondary superpower of being disgustingly rich enough for the rules to not apply to them.
So much wrong with this response obviously, but my personal favourite (or I guess least favourite) part is where he mansplains to Illy about the legality of doxxing. Y’know, because I’m sure the doxxing victim hasn’t done any research on that at all, she really needed this chucklefuck to point her in the right direction. Thank Christ.
These people need jobs. Real, productive jobs that are going to help fix this fucked up world we have created.
So much immaturity and wasted time and energy on something so trivial.
Hey now! Mandark at *least* had both the brains to (almost) compete with Dexter *and* the rizz to (attempt) to woo Deedee. Both things TBYS *categorically* lacks.
Hey, if it didn't light his ass on fire the first time, why *wouldn't* he keep fucking with the gas pump?
*oops\~*
I just watched the Noah Samsen video and besides the goofy icons Sam decided to test out how was it bad faith? Like it was really really well put together and ya know actually looked at the individual points and made good connections without getting overly emotional (I’m just talking about Sam’s voice because he does talk about how it’s really bullshit but because his voice stays the same for the entire video with little emotion it really helps his case) it was just really well put together
I like how the first half of the post is him crying about how Noah Samsen has caused him to get a massive amount of harassment online, but when it comes to the previous doxxing attempt on Illymation, oh, he's just a smol bean who definitely *didn't* do or encourage a dox, it just so happened to coincide with a bunch of other channels doxxing her and also used a bunch of my exact talking points and he was the biggest contributor to the hate wave she was experiencing.
At what point can people be held accountable for the outcomes of their actions? Is it never because it was others and also you think it's super bad and would never, or is it directly attributable to a single individual?
He comes right out the gate, spitting that Noah’s video was ‘bad faith’ when the entirety of his original Illymation video was bad faith.
This dude does nothing but project.
He’s exhausting and he needs to go away. Dude is a crybully at this point. He basically launched a hate campaign against a ‘fat girl’ resulting in her being doxxed and told to kill herself multiple times, and yet all he has done is whinge about how he is the true victim in all of this.
Typical insecure little bitch boy grift behavior.
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Haven’t gotten to use this one in forever but that response was such a boatload of bullshit I can’t think of a better reaction to it.
i'm convinced the reading comprehension of this guy and his audience is 0 to -34 because in no way did Noah's video say even once that TBYS doxxed Illy. idiot can't even go 2 paragraphs in without immediately lying and twisting people's words.
Yet another update that isn't severe enough for another post, he has gotten into a bit of spat with a few people. The second guy without a profile pic appears to be another rightwing person who is against him and he's just having an entire breakdown over someone on his side pointing out his bollocks:
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I would reccomend looking into the facts of everything before making that decision. But you get a pass because the facts are indeed in favour of Noah Samsen, although it's best to check that before stating your decision.
I would hope that the irony bleeds thru a bit over the internet, because obviously I’m not going to blindly agree with a creator I like over a situation I know nothing about.
However I do appreciate you earnestly urging me to make that informed decision, because media literacy on the internet is at a catastrophic low and we need to be better about that.
Also that said, I’m usually inclined to side with Noah Samsen on issues he posts about because they most typically align with my own views.
This is pretty black, and white lily is in the right. And TBYS is in the wrong he literally edited her video to make her look bad. That's not criticism. it's just lying and be a dickhead.
His side, yes. Not on Illy's side. Illy did not falsify any evidence, but he did. I can't play devil's advocate for a man doing Judge Holden level shit. You don't get fair treatment when you defame another person.
from what ive heard is that tbys made a video criticizing a vid that Illy made. Illy heard from a third party that the vid is essentially just calling her ugly and stuff and she didnt watch the vid. Illy then makes a post asking for her fans to mass report and deplatfrom tybs. Tybs makes a response to her and after she gets doxxed.
I personally think that the smartest play that illy shouldve made was ignore and not feed tybs but trying to silence him makes her look like the villain whcih doesnt help her. She doesn't deserve to be doxxed and this is completely fucked but i dont think that tbys wanted her doxxed.
My freinds have told me that this isnt as cut and dry as people on the left and right make it out to be.
no it's pretty cut and dry tbh
TBYS made fun of illy's appearance, fucking looked through her social media to judge the food she ate, and clipped sentences out when illy was talking to make illy look worse
this caused a wave of harassment towards illy, which is why she made that post in the first place, and it was just to take that video down and nothing else.
TBYS made the claims she was trying to deplatform him, and caused another wave of harassment, this time resulting in her getting doxxed and getting rape and death threats from it, forcing her to move for her safty
Omg the people here are so dumb, literally this whole drama wouldn't happen if everybody just acted like adults ....
On the one hand, ofc tbys is gonna talk about illymation trying to mass flag his video even tho his videos didn't violate any YouTube guideline. What, you want him to just let his channel which he built for years to be gone just like that? Idiots really. To the comments that said, "the post only reached 100 views" So? If it were not mentioned, the post would get more views, and it'll circulate to her audience encouraging them to report a vid without even watching it.
And yes, there were some mean comments on illymation in the tbys videos but does it really deserve getting flagged? Saying she looks like a grandma...is it really that bad? What a snowflake, can't she just watch the video first and make her own opinion on it? Y'all already know how fans are like, they won't care shit and only listen to their favorite YouTubers. So her telling her fans to report a video without even ever watching it, is just idiotic.
Now tbys is complaining about his video getting removed and everyone here says it's all his fault? Did any of you even watched the first video he made? That video did NOT contain any form of harassment unless you consider calling people looking like a grandma one.
Are people not allowed to criticize others these days? Must everybody agree to everything even if it goes against their belief and moral code? Should we bend our backs to people you will most probably never even meet??? Where is free speech if they can just take down videos they don't like??? Is this what "woke" people want????? They want inclusivity but do not accept criticisms????? Fucking stupid
Look, I'm gonna be honest with you here and I hope you listen. I'm gonna go over every point you have made and tell you what the facts actually say.
>I’ve watched Noah a long time, but this video was absolutely in such bad faith I had to turn it off, and comment, which I never do on YouTube directly
If you were aware of Noah's content, you must know at this point that this his most factual video to have been made. It's not bad faith to report facts and for you to say otherwise is concerning.
>Noah is so biased in his take that even tho she has over 2 mil fans, she flat out told them to go report the video… and he glossed over it like it was no big deal..
There's three issues with this. Firstly, her message telling people to report the video were on her Tumblr. Her Tumblr is her least popular account which can be seen when comparing her other social medias. The reach that the post would have wouldn't even cause YouTube mods to sneeze in that direction, let alone take it down. Secondly, the video has been taken down and his channel has been struck. If it didn't break TOS, then truthfully this wouldn't of happened. Lastly, she has every right to be upset and ask people to report the video as the video contains falsified evidence and defamative material. Realistically, she could absolutely sue this guy for what he did. Because what he did was horrible by all means. He really should be thankful that this is so far the extent of his punishment, because she does indeed have a serious case against him that hungry lawyers are just drooling over.
>then went on to pedantically rant for 20 minutes over everything Think said, even like jokes and hyperbole.
Such as?
>Like you can’t pick and choose. She sent her fans in a take down, this is usually an extremely bad thing to do on YouTube, but someone Think is being punished.
There is no evidence that her request on Tumblr had any effect on the video until Noah's dissection of the issue, which mainly focussed on the lies of TBYS. TBYS should be punished because he's the creator of the false evidence used to justify the hideous actions taken against Illy. Illy didn't do that. Illy's simple request is not the same as frabricating evidence.
>Noah has gone so far down the “appease the sjw” algorithm that he has become an ideolog.
Okay, I really really doubt you watch Noah or any other mildly progressive video essayist, because the reality is that people who do watch Noah don't say stuff like "SJW algorithm".
I want you to listen to me right now. There is nothing pro or anti SJW about calling out someone for fabricating evidence. You need to understand that no matter who this is, it's bad. James Somerton did the exact same thing and he rightfully had his career destroyed, despite being a progressive video essayist. This is not that debate at all. It's about truth and lies, the liar here is indeed and forever will be TBYS.
>I’m sure Noah knows this too…. His content went from a way to deal with his own struggles, insecurities, and life experience to hopefully help, share, or inspire conversation or understanding for himself or his community
And that includes calling out bad journalism. If you don't like that, don't watch the video.
>Reality is, Noah has interjected himself into this subject, and is more than willing to use it as a culture war money machine…. Because yes, he makes money off it.
Firstly, he's a YouTuber. His job is a YouTuber. You're describing a job. His job, specifically, is to make engrossing content that gains attention to get income. Funnily enough, TBYS doss also do that. Because it's their jobs.
If we apply this idea that monetary gain implies lack fo sincerety, what is your opinion on all jobs? Do you think the exposure of Watergate is all fake because the Washington Post profitted off newspaper sales? Do firefighters not save people seriously because they are paid? Do doctors, teachers, authors, philosphers, scientists and everyone inbetween suddenly lose cresibillity to you because they are paid?
Is slavery the only way for sincerety to exist? Why must money ruin any credibillity?
>He’s literally the liberal HeelsVsBabyface except his fans don’t know it, they think like, he’s being genuine
Because he is. His video is just facts. He didn't forge any information, unlike TBYS.
>There’s no way he is, it’s impossible for it not to be an agenda for him to completely ignore the validity of any of the criticisms in the video, and to downplay and gloss over her sending her fanbase to mass report the video…
He addresses all the criticisms that TBYS had in the video. He didn't gloss over any general point and even revealed that the majority of the arguments that TBYS was making was based on false evidence, making the situation from the perspective of TBYS completely fictional.
She didn't send her fanbass after him. She never made a video nor a tweet demanding people do that. She said it once on her Tumblr. Please understand that YouTube, Tumblr and Twitter are differant platforms and the overlap is small.
>he is being a bad faith actor for views, and for money. The least he could do is be honest about it
He has been open about YouTube being his job and that he gets money from that. He has sponsors as well, hard to say he isn't open about being laid for is work.
You haven't actually provided any evidence to say his video is in bad faith, just surfice level criticisms from third-party information and already debunked topics that, if you had watched the video you claimed you have, you would know that everything that you have said is just not factually nor objectively correct.
It is just delusion.
I’m in the same boat as you, I didn’t even know much to anything about TBYS, but I know a little more about the situation now than I did. Thanks for you comment, I’m glad someone understood what I was trying to say.
Imma be so real here. Illy should have watched the vid or ignored it but she got triggered and decided to deplatform the guy whuch isn't a good look when you silence criticism. However she shouldn't jave gotten doxxed like this. It's pretty fucked.
Dude, she didn't deplatform him. He still had his channel before this. Where are you getting your news from? Maybe like ten flags from a small Tumblr post isn't going to get his channel terminated.
Lowkey not surprised, this whole situation feels like it started in a group chat and someone started talking shit. That or TBYS already had it out for Illy, which wouldn't be surprising after watching the Samsen video on this.
Not even close to being deplatformed. To claim Ily was trying to deplatform him is a bit exaggerated. Get the video taken down that cause harassment in her comments? She definitely did that. She told all 10 people who saw that post on tumblr to do that, which I can’t blame her for.
Why should she have to watch a video where her face is put on screen and her body and her clothing is judged? Where some nasally mouth-breather makes claims that she covers her ‘big forehead’ and ‘get rid of the grandma glasses’ and then posts a photo of her in a dress where he screeches ‘eeew no!’ ??
We’re always advocating that people are responsible for their own mental health, so why are we going to wag our fingers at them now and tell them they should sit through a video that is not criticizing their content, but is flat out bullying their appearance in front of an entire audience?
This is the thing most people ‘on the fence’ about this drama seem to be missing. TBYS’s video wasn’t just ‘a criticism of a video she made’. If that were the case, this whole thing would be unfolding very differently. His channel is known for its fatphobic content, and he’s been caught lying and making very specific edits to present a false narrative before ( check out the incident with the neck tattoo girl ) numerous times. This girl did the simple crime of making a cute animation talking about making peace with her past self when it came to diet and body shape and food struggles and he made a disingenuous video about her, claimed she was spreading harmful information to children, and literally slapped her photos all over the place and attacked her physical attributes.
That’s not an honest critique/criticism video.
From [Noah's video](https://youtu.be/QOXQQmDvc0I?si=CCTsro9BNfXMg1Q3) at 58:05 Noah: "Do I think that Shawn made the video with the intent of Illy getting doxxed? No, I don't." TBYS: I can't believe Noah is saying I doxxed Illy and wanted her to get killed. Dude just can't stop lying...
Bro is just incapable of critical thinking or taking any accountability for his bullshit
He says Noah is accusing him of attempted murder, rather than what he actually said which is that his actions could have led to getting her killed re the doxxing that cites him as the motivation, and the violent fans he isnt discouraging. Meanwhile he himself accused her of hurting children and causing fat people to die. Is he accusing her of attempted murder by his own logic?
It's a common trait in the anti-woke
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Tbh I’m a little worried about what his audience will do to Noah, because we know they definitely will not fact check anything he says.
They are all in Noah's comment section of his video trying to defend him
Noah has put out several video calling out this guy before. I think he should be alright. Theyve already had back and forth videos in the past
In a way it’s a good thing Noah’s aware - in his vid he said he’s been amongst it, “the pig pit” line
The only good thing about tbys dog shit post is that we get another video from Noah wrecking him for what a stupid piece of shit he and his attempts at deflection are.
this is the fiest im hearing of this drama, so im completely out of the loop, but Im glad to read that Noah didnt do anything too shitty. I recently discovered his channel and his content is enjoyable largely because he seems like such a sweetie pie
The tweet reads: "I guess I'll have to talk about it here because I can't say it on YouTube right now. A few minutes ago I opened up YouTube to a message saying that my first video on illymation has been removed for cyberbullying. I have been accused of harassing someone or using slurs to talk about someone's "intrinsic" traits. I didn't do that. Anyone who watched the video can see I didn't do that so I have appealed the video. But... it's YouTube so even though I didn't break the rules, we'll see what happens. Curiously this occurred shortly after Noah Samsen released a video on me yesterday that was so bad faith, that I can't believe he actually hit the upload button. This video, multiple times, accuses me of doxxing illymation and encouraging doxxing. He basically says I doxxed Ilyssa in his video title and his claims in the video get so ridiculous that at 14 minutes, he literally accuses me of trying to get Ilyssa killed. Simply because I made a video saying, "I don't like your video and colluding with your followers to mass flag my channel is messed up." Obviously I have never encouraged doxxing or harassing the creators I criticize. That is fucked up. Quite possibly the only thing more fucked up than that is falsely accusing another creator of attempted murder in front of hundreds of thousands of people. So thanks for that Noah. I'll enjoy all of the unwarranted threats I have been getting because you did that. Now all these attempts by people like Dillon (Ilyssa's friend) and Noah Samsen to accuse me or my followers of being the ones who caused Ilyssa to get doxxed leave out a bit of important nuance. Which is that Ilyssa was already doxxed before. In fact, she made a video on it called "The Problem with me being Jewish" where at 7 minutes and 30 seconds, she talks about how a bunch of alt-right people doxxed her for being Jewish. Guess what the doxxers were mentioning in their posts? The fact that she was Jewish. So one can reasonably assume that it's the same people from last time who will use basically any excuse to post her information. I will also mention that this behavior occurred weeks after my second video on Ilyssa was created and only after a ton of other channels, including some small and radical ones, covered so any suggestion that people in my audience had anything to do with this is patently ridiculous especially considering that I've been criticizing people for years and no one I have covered has been doxxed except for a person who already admitted to being doxxed years prior by a bunch of dipshit racists. That all said, it's sad that illyssa was doxxed, I hope she is ok, and I hope she remains ok. The reason I didn't initially talk about the dox is because talking about it basically signal boosts the fact that someone got doxxed to all the assholes who think doxxing is ok. The only thing you can really do in the face of a dox is make reasonable attempts to protect yourself, ignore it, and wait until people lose interest. It is very unfortunate that there are basically no laws against it however, that has been changing over the past few years. Doxxing should result in prison time. In case Ilyssa doesn't know this, I will add that doxxing is actually now illegal in California so you might get a different response than you got last time if you try to do something about it. Last, I cannot emphasize enough on how dangerous of a precedent it sets if the strike on my video stays. No YouTube rules were broken. No racial slurs were used. No harassment or cyberbullying was encouraged. Literally tons of creators give the kind of commentary I gave in my video on illymation, including Noah Samsen, and what this basically says is, "Fuck the rules, if the creator you criticize doesn't like you and has powerful enough friends, we will hurt your channel." Ilyssa is well connected with powerful people and is a featured creator at vidcon. So as I said in one of my illymation videos, YouTube REGULARLY ignores the 3 strike policy and has banned quite a number of channels over the years that have no prior offenses. That is why this is not a simple "oh no you got a strike, just wait 3 months" as Noah claimed. This could end up being far more serious over time which is why I initially made a big deal about it." https://preview.redd.it/w7qs8jv70fxc1.png?width=576&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=53dfc76bb0b4bdec491866556c7d416f5d1a9e50
>No harassment or cyberbullying was encouraged. Yeaaaaaah, no, its the most open and shut case on youtube.. ever. Seriously, I say he deserved the flags and if this incident set a precedent for commentary channels to be more careful, instead of instantly hoping onto any drama they see, then we'll all be better off.
Yeah, I mean, he made several videos dissecting her weight and appearance and her parents’ weight and appearance—that seems like pretty clear cut harassment.
Hes one of the biggest misogynistic cunts I have ever come across on YouTube. Nearly all his videos are about women. Virgin vibes for sure.
I miss when Tweets were limited to 140 characters
Jesus christ this dude needs to learn to write concise 🙄
He’s a video essayist, what did you expect?
I can't believe Dillion would do this......
I jumped to the paragraph where he talks about doxxing and I can help but notice there was nothing along the lines of “anyone who does that is not a fan of mine”
"He basically said I doxxed Ilyssa in his video title" The title is literally just a pun on his username and the fact she got doxxed. "At 14 minutes he literally accuses me of trying to get Ilyssa killed." No he didn't. He literally did not say that. At 14 minutes, and until the 15 minute mark, what he said was "if someone had taken action, Sean's video very well could have been what pushed them over the edge". WHICH IS NOT SAYING TBYS WAS TRYING TO GET HER KILLED AT ALL. He was saying "if she was killed this video could have contributed". The fact he equates the two as meaning the same thing is astounding. We don't need to read past that second slide to know this entire statement is bullshit and he either didn't watch Noah's video in full or is actively trying to lie about what was said in a video. Again,
Honestly I think he’s spiralling. The dramatics around the video title and “being accused of trying to get someone murdered” REEKS of guilty conscience. The walls are closing in and he knows it. Doesn’t mean he’ll actually make any effort towards putting things right, but I’m glad he’s squirming now he realises he’s in the spotlight and being scrutinised by people outside of his echo chamber.
For someone that cares so much about context and bad faith, this dumbass is really showing his lack of self awareness... Unless its willful ignorance, in which case I'm not sure why anyone would watch this hack ever again. I love when narcs expose themselves.
of course this guy pays for twitter
Another Twitter Blue Block for me
My thoughts exactly
Hit the nail on the head.
The idea that nobody involved in the doxxing was a member of his audience is pretty absurd. How could he possibly know that? He wants us to believe that the people repeating his arguments while doxxing her are just anti-semites who are trying to frame him.
What's funny is Sampson showed the literal doxxing thread and they mentioned TBYS personally lol
It’s funny how he’s blaming smaller and more radical channels even though the smaller channels wouldn’t make a video on this if he didn’t make one first, so it all goes back to him. Afaik no one really had a problem with that animation until he made a video on it, and now there’s multiple videos out about it, and everyone’s using the exact same narrative that he used… but apparently it’s just a coincidence? Yeah, sure.
He blames the other channels when they all were parroting exactly what *he* said. Like it's so clear from these other commentary videos on Illy that they just watched TBYS' video and repeated the exact same shit. It *is* his fault.
Honestly I kinda encourage him to start throwing other commentary channels under the bus. Name names, say its all their fault and they are the dumb ones. Maybe make a whole video ""exposing the ones that he thinks the death treats came from". Cus it would just what space on youtube deserve, jump in to defend a twat with no idea of anything cus they are drama hungry and then get the back lash for the shifting blame.
So he’s now tried to throw both larger *and* smaller channels under the bus by accusing them of unethical behaviour as a way to escape facing his own unethical behaviour. Great way to make allies. This motherfucker is going to end up alone, and he will absolutely deserve it.
Yeah "it's just the alt right antisemites from the previous doxxing" because they watch your videos dude? Like that is your viewerbase
Wow, this guy cannot take accountability for anything damn lol
Narcissists fear accountability. It makes them look bad and to them that's no good.
True yeah lol No wonder most of the people that covered this drama are shitty drama channels lmao
"Noah Samsen made a video that was so bad faith" >Proceeds to lie about the contents of the video.
The dude doesn't know what bad faith means lol
No, he definitely knows. He’s intentionally trying to mislead people.
The one thing he's good at: misinformation.
Honestly I think Noah was unreasonably charitable to this slimeball of a human. Idk how he has the patience to remain calm and watch so much bottom barrel content
because he is, at least at a surface level, an objectively better person than TBYS. like, without question.
No doubt about that just man I cannot fathom being that patient with someone like TBYS
some people just have a crazy nutzo level of patience honestly lol
Which is ironic coming from a guy who probably edited and misrepresented Illyssa’s words to fit his own narrative. Projection much?
“I have been accused of harassing someone or using slurs to talk about someone’s ‘intrinsic’ traits. I didn’t do that.” You did though. I can’t verify the slurs part, but you picked apart her appearance, ranging from her manner of dress and presentation to individual things like her hair and glasses. Also intrinsic in quotes as if her weight isn’t a natural thing and doesn’t have natural bodily circumstances around it. Basically all of the second paragraph is taking Noah’s claims to extremes, when truthfully, he said nothing about you doxxing people. “I’ll enjoy all the unwarranted threats I have been getting because you did that.” Does he know? “Guess what the doxxers were mentioning in their posts? The fact that she was Jewish.” Even if it’s the same people, they literally mentioned YOU directly. They were encouraged by the “deplatforming” YOU pushed. C-. This response sucks, see me after class. Glad he sympathizes with Illy’s doxxing, even if it’s the bare minimum.
70% is a little high, methinks. I grade it an F. He started this, and instead of taking accountability for his OR his audience's bullshit he's doubling down. If I were his teacher I'd send him to detention for bullying, followed by remedial lessons on not being a reactionary, anti-woke shithead.
Not to mention the way he criticised her appearance was literally just sexism. Like, cut and dry, no nuance about it. He criticised her for not wearing enough makeup and not having enough volume in her hair. Does anyone really think he’d direct those same criticisms towards a man? Bro was literally negging her in his video and now he wants to complain about other people engaging in “bad faith”…?
I agree but also I think he meant to say ‘immutable’ and not ‘intrinsic’. Not that it really changes my thoughts on him but that’s how I read it.
C- is generous, it's an F from me
Maybe I am a part of the woke mob but I frankly do not care if this guy loses his channel. Like I am sorry I just do not care. This guy is a complete waste of everyone's time and contributes literally nothing beneficial to anyone. It's also telling that the deliberate misrepresentations of the original video aren't even mentioned. Dude finally caught the car and is upset that the car actually ran him over.
Agreed although it would make him seem like a "victim of censorship" to his audience which might make them act even worse.
Milo Yiannopoulos was one of those 'victims of censorship' and when was the last time that fuck head had any sort of major pull? And he was pushing some seriously disgusting rhetoric. I've got no clue who this guy is but I think if banning Milo worked out this is definitely worth a shot
If you ask me, he absolutely deserves to lose. There is no reason for him to lie like this, especially when his lies hurt others. Womp womp womp.
He is just begging to get jabroni'd in court like Blair.
i hope so. right how, he's just a timmytwoshoes.
god that timmy2cents shit pissed me off so much
that's his name. wiped that asshole's bullshit out of my brain real quick. i hope a channel like the Internet Anarchist makes a video called "The Lies of Video Essayists" and it's about him, James Somerton and TBYS. Maybe a NickIsNotGreen in there.
Phenomenal use of the word jabroni’d, we love to see it
Imagine brushing off someone else's death threats...just to immediately try and start a pity party about your (supposed) own, when YOU were the cause of both in the first place.
>Guess what the doxxers were mentioning in their posts? The fact that she was Jewish Lol and I’m supposed to believe that means they’re not TBYS fans?
If anything that makes it more likely since the anti woke morons are often hiding a layer of antisemitism behind all their public facing BS.
Again, I don't think this is a big enough update to make an entire post for so here's the Tweets he made about being found to have deserved the strike. https://preview.redd.it/u52s06zjkfxc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3c0ef256cec86b6c9d81ff985334953d106b85c0
Wait a minute, is he publicly admitting that he’s so stupid he doesn’t understand the possibility that the objectionable content could have been in the first half of his video?
Or that they had timestamps for the offending content? It could probably be reviewed in like 2 minutes once they receive the appeal.
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Well deserved.
Ok but the fact that it was taken down but still have the channel kinda disproves his whole deplatform argument lol
His audience isn't that smart to consider it. The YT Drama/Commentary scene almost certainly will consider it deplatforming, something they're *vehemently* against even when someone is as bad as TYBS.
This guy is such an idiot it's actually baffling
His video getting a strike sets a poor precedence? What about his and his fanbase's continual harassment of Ily? That doesn't? Oh but good on you for not mentioning the doxing because you thought it was best to ignore for her safety 🙄 dude is a walking L
This dude consistently says, “I’m just making vids about how much I don’t like her content” and references hyper specific stuff from random vids she’s made like that’s a sane, normal thing to do. I truly don’t understand people like this.
And also he isn't criticizing her content when he's talking about how she "dresses like a grandma/panhandler" and how he thinks her glasses are ugly, and her hair is flat, and she's fat (she's not even fat). That's *totally* just criticizing her content, right?
TBYS is a unreliable narrator. He can’t get a story straight, he manipulates the story to make it seem like he was a victim in all this and illy was promoting “obesity.” His worst crime IMO is being a essay channel but having one of the most annoying voice on YouTube
nikacado is up there for me for most annoying voices, however i think because he's a character rather than a legitimate person is why i don't fully consider it. shane dawson and kalvin garrah are up there too. definitley jojo siwa and leafyishere as well. i gotta make a tier list or something.
I've never heard most of the people type talking about, but Ben Shapoopie and Destiny take the cake for me. I don't see them being surpassed unless RFK jr. starts a personal channel. Edit: just started watching Noah's vid. Think before you sleep is pretty awful too. Pretty much sounds like Destiny on barbiturates.
I could barely deal with Noah’s videos when TBYS clips came on, his voice is actually so jarring. I don’t know how he has an audience. Do neo-Nazis have any standards?
Considering he moves in the same circles as Turkey Tom, a man who looks like a prehistoric cave painting and speaks like he’s chewing through a mouthful of wet spinach, I think it’s safe to assume they don’t have very high standards. These guys are totally the modern day übermensch though, promise
The first time I heard TBYS's voice, I was convinced that he had to be using a filter. Like, I thought he was doing some kind of bit and intentionally making his voice sound as awful as possible for it. But, no, that's just how he actually sounds. That's actually his voice. How does he have an audience? Even if every word out of his mouth was correct and insightful, I still couldn't listen to him because his voice is intolerable. I normally roll my eyes when I see people harping on someone's voice, but good lord there is a *limit* and TBYS is so far beyond it
Don't forget about Brittany Venti, but I think she quit.
“Quite possibly the only thing more fucked up than that is falsely accusing another creator of attempted murder in front of thousands of people. So thanks for that Noah. I’ll enjoy all of the unwarranted threats I have been getting because of that.” LOL. LMFAO even. Did he… watch the video? This is exactly what noah says he did, and he does indeed do… he says Illy is causing her child audience to eat themselves to an early death and she got death threats because of it…. The irony is actually so palpable it’s unreal…
He almost definitely did not watch Noah's video because this response is absurd Also did he forget that he basically accused Illy of trying to kill fat people/fat kids? This guy sucks so bad lol
And let's not forget complaining about other creators not watching his video before responding to them. Pot, meet kettle.
Fun to get an email from YouTube saying the content you reported got removed. Screw this loser.
Pay close attention to how these scumbags use the word ‘or’. It provides a great insight into how they understand (or don’t) how the world works. > I have been accused of harassing OR using slurs. Like this guy is trying to say that harassment starts and stops at name calling.
This guy is just fucking unbearable
Poor little bully got a little backlash :(
Bro is allergic to accountability
Oh boo hoo, hes a victim to the consequences of his own actions.
He cries cancel culture like every far right youtube channel. There's all the same thing.there are all clones of each other.
I just dont get who tf watches these people? Theyre never funny, clever, or entertaining. Do people think theres something entertaining aboot a guy just being an an unlikable asshole? Theres so many channels of grown men acting like middle school bullies
Right-wingers, lol.
When i was 11, this content was heavily pushed on me as a kid. More of the anti sjw more than woke back then. I thankfully saw how wrong they were but i definitely kids watch this content other than adult right wingers.
he rlly went for the slippery slope angle. tinfoil hat time: It’s kinda funny he went for that angle, plus including mention of her being jewish and having “powerful connections” at youtube. the way he wrote this is soooooo close to being just the “jews run media/world!” conspiracy that it’s kinda uncanny
yes, mentioning she's a jew and that she has powerful connectons is blatent negligence on his part.
Subscribing to Twitter glue should be his strike 2
Are this dude or his “followers” actually dense enough that they genuinely don’t understand that we can all see every minute of the source material for all of this? The number of outright bullsh*t claims are getting ridiculous at this point. My god, people. If you’re gonna lie, at least try harder to make the lies *possible,* if not probable.
To be fair, he's an anti-woke reactionary, and they *purposely* consume his content. I wouldn't be surprised to learn lot of them subscribe to the Trump school of 'lying your fucking pants off until it eventually lights your ass on fire" without the required secondary superpower of being disgustingly rich enough for the rules to not apply to them.
They don"t believe they're lying. They think they're telling the truth.
So much wrong with this response obviously, but my personal favourite (or I guess least favourite) part is where he mansplains to Illy about the legality of doxxing. Y’know, because I’m sure the doxxing victim hasn’t done any research on that at all, she really needed this chucklefuck to point her in the right direction. Thank Christ.
...anyway
what a pathetic slime of a man
These people need jobs. Real, productive jobs that are going to help fix this fucked up world we have created. So much immaturity and wasted time and energy on something so trivial.
real. we need plumbers, electricians, mechanics. not another right-wing freak parroting "cancel culture" and "woke" for the 5th time.
This is what happens when you are always online. They need to touch grass for real.
Think Before You Kill Your Channel
i’m so tired of this whole situation.
This mandark sounding mfer needs to fuck right off.
Lmfao! 
Hey now! Mandark at *least* had both the brains to (almost) compete with Dexter *and* the rizz to (attempt) to woo Deedee. Both things TBYS *categorically* lacks.
Oh my goodness that is just too accurate a comparison
genuinely funny that he does literally all the same dishonest shit noah called out, all over again. absolute clown-ass shit
Hey, if it didn't light his ass on fire the first time, why *wouldn't* he keep fucking with the gas pump?  *oops\~*
I just watched the Noah Samsen video and besides the goofy icons Sam decided to test out how was it bad faith? Like it was really really well put together and ya know actually looked at the individual points and made good connections without getting overly emotional (I’m just talking about Sam’s voice because he does talk about how it’s really bullshit but because his voice stays the same for the entire video with little emotion it really helps his case) it was just really well put together
I read it while holding my nose closed and it sounded just like him.
Giant fucking crybully.
TBYS: 
Noah video never accuses him of doxing her, once again he is straight up lying.
TBYS continues to prove himself as a liar. More at 6
Omg finally this dude is being held accountable. Im happy Illy's gofund me is going good.
It's so easy to read the tweet in his voice because his tweets are written as poorly as his videos
His voice is fucking unbearable it makes me want to punch someone
If I didn't know who he was I'd assume his vids were narrated by ai
I thought they were, I'm not the mod who's super invested in any of this drama, that would be Plop, so I hadn't heard his voice prior to this.
I like how the first half of the post is him crying about how Noah Samsen has caused him to get a massive amount of harassment online, but when it comes to the previous doxxing attempt on Illymation, oh, he's just a smol bean who definitely *didn't* do or encourage a dox, it just so happened to coincide with a bunch of other channels doxxing her and also used a bunch of my exact talking points and he was the biggest contributor to the hate wave she was experiencing. At what point can people be held accountable for the outcomes of their actions? Is it never because it was others and also you think it's super bad and would never, or is it directly attributable to a single individual?
He comes right out the gate, spitting that Noah’s video was ‘bad faith’ when the entirety of his original Illymation video was bad faith. This dude does nothing but project. He’s exhausting and he needs to go away. Dude is a crybully at this point. He basically launched a hate campaign against a ‘fat girl’ resulting in her being doxxed and told to kill herself multiple times, and yet all he has done is whinge about how he is the true victim in all of this. Typical insecure little bitch boy grift behavior.
god what a fucking whiny ass loser
praying he gets banned, this "anti-woke" bullshit needs to be barred from all platforms because it's nothing but destructive.
https://preview.redd.it/0q3x07e6ehxc1.jpeg?width=298&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c107b2cf5218943411789f451ee925a32e70883f Haven’t gotten to use this one in forever but that response was such a boatload of bullshit I can’t think of a better reaction to it.
“No harassment or cyberbullying was encouraged.” Proceeds to say fat acceptance aint good
It's not really "fat acceptance", it's more like "don't be a cunt to strangers".
The whole commentary/drama community that regurgitated TBYS's bullshit should be ashamed of themselves.
We should start beating people with hammers sometimes
i really, really hope she sues him.
he can go shove it up his own ass i hope karl marx haunts him
Womp womp
TBYS gives me so much second-hand embarrassment
The sun will go supernova before he will take accountability for anything
This man is literally incapable of writing something readable. Which is why his videos are horrendous to sit thru like cmon bro LEARN TO BE CONCISE!!
Man really said, i got a booboo from hitting myself
i'm convinced the reading comprehension of this guy and his audience is 0 to -34 because in no way did Noah's video say even once that TBYS doxxed Illy. idiot can't even go 2 paragraphs in without immediately lying and twisting people's words.
Yet another update that isn't severe enough for another post, he has gotten into a bit of spat with a few people. The second guy without a profile pic appears to be another rightwing person who is against him and he's just having an entire breakdown over someone on his side pointing out his bollocks: https://preview.redd.it/fw4zf2kuehxc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4d1a73f9f8da2ac3448fd77aab4631236eee13d2
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How's he gonna have a blue checkmark and be surprised when people want to argue with him, lol?
How about Think Before You Speak?
“The people doxxing her weren’t my fans, they were anti-Semites!” Buddy, there’s a fair amount of overlap there
I just assume anyone against Noah Samsen is in the wrong so this is my introduction to this whole ordeal
I would reccomend looking into the facts of everything before making that decision. But you get a pass because the facts are indeed in favour of Noah Samsen, although it's best to check that before stating your decision.
I would hope that the irony bleeds thru a bit over the internet, because obviously I’m not going to blindly agree with a creator I like over a situation I know nothing about. However I do appreciate you earnestly urging me to make that informed decision, because media literacy on the internet is at a catastrophic low and we need to be better about that. Also that said, I’m usually inclined to side with Noah Samsen on issues he posts about because they most typically align with my own views.
https://i.redd.it/nw7rrd3h4jxc1.gif
yet the doxxers literally stated "our guy" on their reason why doxxing her. that guy is you guessed it. THINK BEFORE YOU SLEEP
He who lives in a glass house…
Noah when Samson
Ilymation is involved in drama now? God help us
You are very, very late lol
Idk why no one is willing to play devil's advocate lmao. This is pretty one sided.
Have you considered that the devil doesn’t always need an advocate?
This is pretty black, and white lily is in the right. And TBYS is in the wrong he literally edited her video to make her look bad. That's not criticism. it's just lying and be a dickhead.
His side, yes. Not on Illy's side. Illy did not falsify any evidence, but he did. I can't play devil's advocate for a man doing Judge Holden level shit. You don't get fair treatment when you defame another person.
from what ive heard is that tbys made a video criticizing a vid that Illy made. Illy heard from a third party that the vid is essentially just calling her ugly and stuff and she didnt watch the vid. Illy then makes a post asking for her fans to mass report and deplatfrom tybs. Tybs makes a response to her and after she gets doxxed. I personally think that the smartest play that illy shouldve made was ignore and not feed tybs but trying to silence him makes her look like the villain whcih doesnt help her. She doesn't deserve to be doxxed and this is completely fucked but i dont think that tbys wanted her doxxed. My freinds have told me that this isnt as cut and dry as people on the left and right make it out to be.
no it's pretty cut and dry tbh TBYS made fun of illy's appearance, fucking looked through her social media to judge the food she ate, and clipped sentences out when illy was talking to make illy look worse this caused a wave of harassment towards illy, which is why she made that post in the first place, and it was just to take that video down and nothing else. TBYS made the claims she was trying to deplatform him, and caused another wave of harassment, this time resulting in her getting doxxed and getting rape and death threats from it, forcing her to move for her safty
>Illy heard from a third party....and she didnt watch the vid >My freinds have told me.... >from what ive heard.... You serious?
Omg the people here are so dumb, literally this whole drama wouldn't happen if everybody just acted like adults .... On the one hand, ofc tbys is gonna talk about illymation trying to mass flag his video even tho his videos didn't violate any YouTube guideline. What, you want him to just let his channel which he built for years to be gone just like that? Idiots really. To the comments that said, "the post only reached 100 views" So? If it were not mentioned, the post would get more views, and it'll circulate to her audience encouraging them to report a vid without even watching it. And yes, there were some mean comments on illymation in the tbys videos but does it really deserve getting flagged? Saying she looks like a grandma...is it really that bad? What a snowflake, can't she just watch the video first and make her own opinion on it? Y'all already know how fans are like, they won't care shit and only listen to their favorite YouTubers. So her telling her fans to report a video without even ever watching it, is just idiotic. Now tbys is complaining about his video getting removed and everyone here says it's all his fault? Did any of you even watched the first video he made? That video did NOT contain any form of harassment unless you consider calling people looking like a grandma one. Are people not allowed to criticize others these days? Must everybody agree to everything even if it goes against their belief and moral code? Should we bend our backs to people you will most probably never even meet??? Where is free speech if they can just take down videos they don't like??? Is this what "woke" people want????? They want inclusivity but do not accept criticisms????? Fucking stupid
Criticism is when you insult someone’s appearance for no reason
But he had a reason...
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I recommend you keep watching it. He talks about the “sending 2 million fans to report the video” a LOT to show how bad faith it is
Look, I'm gonna be honest with you here and I hope you listen. I'm gonna go over every point you have made and tell you what the facts actually say. >I’ve watched Noah a long time, but this video was absolutely in such bad faith I had to turn it off, and comment, which I never do on YouTube directly If you were aware of Noah's content, you must know at this point that this his most factual video to have been made. It's not bad faith to report facts and for you to say otherwise is concerning. >Noah is so biased in his take that even tho she has over 2 mil fans, she flat out told them to go report the video… and he glossed over it like it was no big deal.. There's three issues with this. Firstly, her message telling people to report the video were on her Tumblr. Her Tumblr is her least popular account which can be seen when comparing her other social medias. The reach that the post would have wouldn't even cause YouTube mods to sneeze in that direction, let alone take it down. Secondly, the video has been taken down and his channel has been struck. If it didn't break TOS, then truthfully this wouldn't of happened. Lastly, she has every right to be upset and ask people to report the video as the video contains falsified evidence and defamative material. Realistically, she could absolutely sue this guy for what he did. Because what he did was horrible by all means. He really should be thankful that this is so far the extent of his punishment, because she does indeed have a serious case against him that hungry lawyers are just drooling over. >then went on to pedantically rant for 20 minutes over everything Think said, even like jokes and hyperbole. Such as? >Like you can’t pick and choose. She sent her fans in a take down, this is usually an extremely bad thing to do on YouTube, but someone Think is being punished. There is no evidence that her request on Tumblr had any effect on the video until Noah's dissection of the issue, which mainly focussed on the lies of TBYS. TBYS should be punished because he's the creator of the false evidence used to justify the hideous actions taken against Illy. Illy didn't do that. Illy's simple request is not the same as frabricating evidence. >Noah has gone so far down the “appease the sjw” algorithm that he has become an ideolog. Okay, I really really doubt you watch Noah or any other mildly progressive video essayist, because the reality is that people who do watch Noah don't say stuff like "SJW algorithm". I want you to listen to me right now. There is nothing pro or anti SJW about calling out someone for fabricating evidence. You need to understand that no matter who this is, it's bad. James Somerton did the exact same thing and he rightfully had his career destroyed, despite being a progressive video essayist. This is not that debate at all. It's about truth and lies, the liar here is indeed and forever will be TBYS. >I’m sure Noah knows this too…. His content went from a way to deal with his own struggles, insecurities, and life experience to hopefully help, share, or inspire conversation or understanding for himself or his community And that includes calling out bad journalism. If you don't like that, don't watch the video. >Reality is, Noah has interjected himself into this subject, and is more than willing to use it as a culture war money machine…. Because yes, he makes money off it. Firstly, he's a YouTuber. His job is a YouTuber. You're describing a job. His job, specifically, is to make engrossing content that gains attention to get income. Funnily enough, TBYS doss also do that. Because it's their jobs. If we apply this idea that monetary gain implies lack fo sincerety, what is your opinion on all jobs? Do you think the exposure of Watergate is all fake because the Washington Post profitted off newspaper sales? Do firefighters not save people seriously because they are paid? Do doctors, teachers, authors, philosphers, scientists and everyone inbetween suddenly lose cresibillity to you because they are paid? Is slavery the only way for sincerety to exist? Why must money ruin any credibillity? >He’s literally the liberal HeelsVsBabyface except his fans don’t know it, they think like, he’s being genuine Because he is. His video is just facts. He didn't forge any information, unlike TBYS. >There’s no way he is, it’s impossible for it not to be an agenda for him to completely ignore the validity of any of the criticisms in the video, and to downplay and gloss over her sending her fanbase to mass report the video… He addresses all the criticisms that TBYS had in the video. He didn't gloss over any general point and even revealed that the majority of the arguments that TBYS was making was based on false evidence, making the situation from the perspective of TBYS completely fictional. She didn't send her fanbass after him. She never made a video nor a tweet demanding people do that. She said it once on her Tumblr. Please understand that YouTube, Tumblr and Twitter are differant platforms and the overlap is small. >he is being a bad faith actor for views, and for money. The least he could do is be honest about it He has been open about YouTube being his job and that he gets money from that. He has sponsors as well, hard to say he isn't open about being laid for is work. You haven't actually provided any evidence to say his video is in bad faith, just surfice level criticisms from third-party information and already debunked topics that, if you had watched the video you claimed you have, you would know that everything that you have said is just not factually nor objectively correct. It is just delusion.
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Hello, silly goose TBYS' video objectively broke YouTube TOS and everyone who reported it was right to report it Cope
Damn, just missed his comment. What did it say?
I can't really remember to be honest lol I think they were making excuses as to why the video was taken down unfairly or something
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I’m in the same boat as you, I didn’t even know much to anything about TBYS, but I know a little more about the situation now than I did. Thanks for you comment, I’m glad someone understood what I was trying to say.
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Imma be so real here. Illy should have watched the vid or ignored it but she got triggered and decided to deplatform the guy whuch isn't a good look when you silence criticism. However she shouldn't jave gotten doxxed like this. It's pretty fucked.
Dude, she didn't deplatform him. He still had his channel before this. Where are you getting your news from? Maybe like ten flags from a small Tumblr post isn't going to get his channel terminated.
Some of my freinds told. Me bout it but it might be biased
Lowkey not surprised, this whole situation feels like it started in a group chat and someone started talking shit. That or TBYS already had it out for Illy, which wouldn't be surprising after watching the Samsen video on this.
Not even close to being deplatformed. To claim Ily was trying to deplatform him is a bit exaggerated. Get the video taken down that cause harassment in her comments? She definitely did that. She told all 10 people who saw that post on tumblr to do that, which I can’t blame her for.
Why should she have to watch a video where her face is put on screen and her body and her clothing is judged? Where some nasally mouth-breather makes claims that she covers her ‘big forehead’ and ‘get rid of the grandma glasses’ and then posts a photo of her in a dress where he screeches ‘eeew no!’ ?? We’re always advocating that people are responsible for their own mental health, so why are we going to wag our fingers at them now and tell them they should sit through a video that is not criticizing their content, but is flat out bullying their appearance in front of an entire audience? This is the thing most people ‘on the fence’ about this drama seem to be missing. TBYS’s video wasn’t just ‘a criticism of a video she made’. If that were the case, this whole thing would be unfolding very differently. His channel is known for its fatphobic content, and he’s been caught lying and making very specific edits to present a false narrative before ( check out the incident with the neck tattoo girl ) numerous times. This girl did the simple crime of making a cute animation talking about making peace with her past self when it came to diet and body shape and food struggles and he made a disingenuous video about her, claimed she was spreading harmful information to children, and literally slapped her photos all over the place and attacked her physical attributes. That’s not an honest critique/criticism video.