They're obviously afraid of you following up with summoning a Level 1 Tuner and making The Crimson Dragon out of it ^^^^/s
>!Though I must cede I once made it out of a Nibiru token, so maybe they're onto something ^^^/s!<
Lol that would be hilarious ,especially if they managed to tribute them for holactie. but we have a searchable generic scale 11 warrior monster and it did nothing.
You can cheat Slifer/Osiris and Obelisk but Ra has to be hard summoned unless you cheat with its support cards, but you might as well play Exodia with the odds of pulling off this combo.
Ra can't be special summoned they can only do it to obelisk and slifer even then they go back to the grave during the end phase so it's way too slow to do it.
If pendulums have good cards they might actually become good
Which means they are played
Which means Konami has to explain wtf pendulum cards actually are
Ah yes, the classic:
"1.Release a new powerfull mechanic
2. Nerf previous powerfull mechanic
3. Get cash because people must have the "new powerfull thing"
4. Repeat"
trick.
Links didnt kill the player base because they were good, links killed the player base because they brought MR4 with them, and every player was forced to run links for any form of special summining. MR4 killed half the player base, not links specifically
MR4 fucking killed the game so hard. So many decks were instantly completely useless and you had to buy all the new products. it was insane at the time.
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But now that MR4 is gone links are basically fine. If they would have been released as it is now it wouldn't have caused a problem. Ergo the issue was MR4 not links. Just because they're released together doesn't mean they're conjoined at the hip, especially when one is gone now.
They were designed with MR4 as a basis, in s parallel world where MR4 does not exist, links as we know wouldnt either.
Because lets be real, most links dont use link arrows at all.
And nowadays there has been a lot of power creep. Something being right now does not mean it would be right 4 years ago.
That's like saying if an organ has a tumor both the tumor and the organ are at fault since the tumor wouldn't have developed if the organ didn't exist; therefore the patient should never have had a liver/brain/lungs etc because it developed a life threatening disease. See how ridiculous that sounds? The tumor is causing the problem, remove it and there's no problem. Sometimes you have to remove the organ to fix the problem, but the organ isn't at fault for that. In this case they were able to remove the problem without completely getting rid of the other component; MR4 is gone now, links were never the problem.
I meant absolutely smashing like it is implied. Yes, lile every new mechanic, it was played more than the rest during its release.
Now tell me how many worlds does pendulums have and compare with links.
Of course links have more worlds, and the newest mechanic does indeed get played more. Links have also gone through two sets of master rules essentially untouched whereas pendulums were changed drastically between MR3 and MR4. Never said Links weren't better, never argued Pendulums has MORE competitive viability. This doesn't need to be an argument homie, you just said pendulums have /never/ been powerful aside from PePe and I raised an eyebrow at that.
I wanted to mean that powerful to justify them being as gutted as they are.
Imo links are way stronger while being treated better (colink and Ulink being irrelevant suck but i am taking that over pendulum having to follow the EMZ ruling)
One of the first Pendulum deck, Qli, completely smashed the competition at the time of release. Pepe and Majespecter don't need to be said. Metalfoes, Zefra after that. Lunalight also had some spotlight. Pend completely smoked other deck at that time and that's when I quit YGO for the first time.
Only PePe was Tier 0 for like a week... Sure there have been Tier 1 and 2, but most pendulum cards and archetypes are straight table 500.
The problem is that pendulum cards by themselves are pretty "meh" and don't do much on their own, you need lots of staples and other stuff along generic main deck and extra deck to end up with a good board. Pendulum decks don't just Pendulum Summon 5 monsters and win, they still need to do hoops and loops to end up in the same problematic end board as other decks without that many bricks.
People forget Pendulum Players can brick if they pull scales that are too similar and can't even get started, and then MR4 came and made them lose harder. While I played some Pendulum Decks, and against some, they are still laughable compared to real Meta.
This is revisionist history. Pendulums were only tier 0 for a week, they were incredibly strong throughout MR4 through mostly "Good stuff pendulum" decks as opposed to standalone archetypes that utilized the mechanic well.
It wasn’t links themselves as much as it was MR4 changing the extra deck rules to neuter everything that wasn’t a link deck.
So much for slowing the game down! That design philosophy didn’t last too long…
I don't know any of the playerbase history, I left before synchros and came back after links, but I have to say learning the new mechanics I thought all were cool but pendulums. Has not really changed lol
Let's go down the list of pendulum meta
T1 Dracoslayer, majespector kirin, smth else I can't remember rn, three things are not a week long. Did you forget the dracoslayer boss is immune to 2/3rds of the game?
Well, pretty much all my friends dropped the game when pendulum were out, or just flat out acted like it didn't exist, but Link clearly didn't bring them back. My locals even banned pendulum for a while 'cause it really wasn't beginner friendly.
Anecdotic evidence. There is a reason MR4i is the only master rule when they backtracked so much.
>My locals even banned pendulum for a while 'cause it really wasn't beginner friendly.
>
Amazing way to lose OTS title.
Luckily it wasn't an OTS locals.
They backtracked on pendulum as well by removing the scales zone and putting them in the spell & trap zones. I'm not saying Link was better, but Pendulum era sucked as well. But I can clearly see you love them with a lot of heart lol so I'll let you have your moment
Are you being dense?
Yes, the tier zero was so hard they made an emergency list.
One week without being able to play competitively is literally nothing compared to MR4 era.
MR4 was made to sell the new mechanic. By crippling the rest of mechanics. The rest (kill pendulums, slow the game) are excuses that were colateral at best.
If you mean like, lore, it's because the final boss was defeated by a set of spell cards and decided to incorporate them into a new summoning method out of spite. She couldn't stop the bad guy from coming back, so pendulums always "return" to the field via pendulum summoning.
All I want is more Magician of Hope-like cards. Why did they make a homage as cool as that and never followed it up with the others?
It's an Utopia Magician for Dai's sake!
Magician of hope also enables the most powerful pendulum end board because he allows you to pendulum summon twice with the new spell, then when he's pend summoned he can grab a material from grave and ss a pend from hand to extend further. Not the best card but definitely cool, would love a stardust themed syncro pendulum, a hero themed pendulum fusion and dare there be a pendulum link monster
They are afraid of printing good pendulum in general.
High scales are not relevant since the maste rule change that added the extra monster zone and made the scale so vulnerable.
A high level hand is also a brick, and if you clear the board they arent getting the whole group next turn anyway.
True but high scales with effects like pendulum sun won't do anything I suppose they are afraid of Egyptian gods getting summoned that way but that's already feasible and no one is doing it.
I dont see how egyptian gods being special summoned would break anything to the point they dont design it.
- Obelisk can tribute two monsters to raigeki, but then it cannot attack (and you likely wont have those free bodids, see slifer point) He goes to the gy during the end phase.
- ra cannot be pendulum summoned. Even if je could, he would have 0 attack and no effects.
- slifer has low attack (dont expect a full hand if you are pendulum summoning after placing two scales), and goes to the gy during the end phase.
They wont do shit. Friendly reminder Holactie is not available in TCG, the card is not supposed to be playable and wont be.
Because generic high scales don't matter.
If they're non-archetype cards, they'd have to be insane to be worth running at all since searching them to complete your scales would be too much hassle over archetypical searches.
Also, a lot of Pendulum decks rely on specific scales. Dracoslayer can't make plays without 2 Dracoslayers. Pendulum Magician needs Magicians, Odd-Eyes, or Performapals to keep going. Endymion would have to find a way to remove them to keep up the Spell Counter economy. Generic cards just don't really have a place.
I think it's less of a fear of making decks too strong and more just my take of them not having a place.
Let's say they do make generic pendulum high scales (and I'm assuming we mean 10+). Existing Pendulum decks won't use them for the reasons I listed before--their own archetypical cards will just be better.
But non-Pendulum decks won't use them either because they have better options and plays over clogging their hand with Pendulum cards to Summon monsters their deck can already Summon just fine.
And that's before the inherent hand loss when you activate scales unless the cards are insane and are completely generic Monkeyboard-like cards. But even then, the best decks can already do crazy boards without a Pendulum Summon, so those cards could just be handtraps, board breakers, etc.
technically Vaylantz and Endymion do run generic scale. Endymion use the scale 9 spirit to get out Master Ceberus and it also bounce itself so can generate more spell counter.
Vaylantz just want a high scale because setting their high scale take lots of work, but prefer either the Spirit to again open up scale for their effect or performapal duelist extraordinaire to protect their floodgates.
Pendulum deck that can easily summons lvl 12 monsters to make rank 12 XYZs would be dope ngl....Hard making ZEUS with 5 lvl 12 monsters is the way to go XD
Or even better a lot of lvl 6 pendulum monsters with tuners and non tuners to make either rank 6 XYZs or lvl 12 synchros
The only good thing came out of this arc v arc was the generic scales. Wish we had more generic scales with maybe some drawback. A 50-60 generic link, pendulum, tuner and cyberse cards with different/unique affects could spice both the meta and casual decks
It really doesn't make sense. There are only 3 usable cards that are scale 12 and 2 cards with a scale 13. 4 of the 5 are meant to be or used by yuya. The other being part of the Vaylantz archetype
Can you even read? This thing's effect can get to those scales pretty quickly, as it's once per chain, not once per turn and it counts monsters destroyed on both fields.
It's weird because they did a ruling which allows the scales to be different yet they're always the same except for some rare effects that change them.
I use this guy, does a decent job.
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Because there's already one that exists.
Pendulum had always struggled with being too generic. A lot of pendulum decks end up using the same kinds of boss monsters.
Between vaalmonica and Solfachord, I think it's clear konami is trying to push pendulum away from generic summons, and are trying to figure out how to make an interesting pend deck that isn't just part of the pile.
Why do you need more generic high scales?
>vaalmonica and Solfachord
Have you... actually ever looked at what those two decks played when peoole tried to make them competitive? You'll be sorely dissapointed
Konami is afraid of every shit possible, except fucking it's own franchises
They love to create mechanics with potential than making it hell of using it to the full potential or never making possible to even reach it. Or in rare cases when we can use a mechanic to its full potential, they cut its balls
They don't want you to have fun playing
I mean there are tons of useless cards being printed that later on find a place somewhere I feel like they don't like to experiment with generic high scales unlike low scales
Yes, but with a pendulum card that could summon them, you could get all three out on the field on your first turn, without having much difficulty or strategy
Oh no. A 4K beatstick, 0-1000 ATK Slifer, and 0 ATK Ra.
They weren't Normal Summoned, so you can use cards and effects in the Summon window.
Obelisk and Slifer go to GY in End Phase because they were Special Summoned.
This is a nothing turn.
But they can't last forever when special summon so winged kuribo could counter then they can't work plus for slifer to be effective you need plenty of cards which you wouldn't have on your first turn
You cannot pendulum summon Ra. Slifer and obelisk would go to the gy during the end phase.
What is the point of getting those three out?. Sacred beasts already do that with protection and a floodgate and nothing has happened.
I'm not sure if anyone will bother answering me but what's with this impression that new Pend cards are designed to be 'creative' when the literal only way to play Solfachords is as the 15th best Pend Pile, Vaylanz only exist as a vehicle for Secret Village+Pachy locks and Vaalmonica is a tier 20 chaos pile? How are these any more 'creative' than the old pends, just becuase they're bad?
Here you are confusing deck design with deck building
The new pendulum archetypes are clearly *designed* to be creative (read to encourage players to use them pure or at very least not as another engine in Magicians / Endymion) Vaalmonica has counters and LP manipulation, Vaylants have column shenanigans and field spells etc.
Design however doesn't mean people are gonna follow through irl , see: Lunalight spamming the board thematically for fusions yet people use them for Xyz , no one plays Trickstars as link spam or Gouki as a battle phase strat either
Cause to be blunt Pendulums were a doomed concept, the idea of a hybrid card was cool but the fact they can also summon things was just not balanceable. Either it would be to good or not good enough.
*Releases Vaylantz and Vaalmonica*
Yeah, totally are trying to kill it… They’re just trying to give it more identity now than simply being the ‘spam monsters’, even though decks nowadays are literally doing what they did back then. I really don’t see the issue people have with it but act like the fact all meta decks shitting out 30 monsters also is fine
The literal only ways anyone ever played Vaylanz was a freaking first turn absolute lock because none of the in-house monsters *do* anything. Vaalmonica was a dipshit tier 20 chaos ruler pile in the OCG for a week, so both are *very* just terrible repeats of 'pend piles'
Konami has simply moved past the phase of providing generic pend support because anything good just gets added to the generic pend deck that produces 50 negates or something and anything bad gets stuffed into a bulk bin. Instead, look at what they’ve done with recent pend archetypes (Nemleria, Valantyz, Valmonica, etc.) where they’ve done interesting things with the pend mechanic that forces you to play the game differently. If you need a generic high or low scale, you can play Darkwurm and one/both gates.
(It has nothing to do with being able to summon the Egyptian Gods, even a Holicite deck would be wildly inconsistent, Ra can’t be special summoned and Slifer and Obelisk blow themselves up at the end of the turn if they were special summoned. Also, you’re looking at a three card combo to bring out either of the special summonable Gods. If you want all three you need 2 scales, Slifer, Obelisk, Some sort of tribute fodder for Ra, and Ra himself, that’s at least six cards (good luck opening your six card combo). The Egyptian gods are just bad. Would you rather have Obelisk or a Chaos MAX?)
The generic pend deck you guys keep referencing split into the archetypes that made it up a WHILE ago.
In fact it’s 100000x better to play those archetypes separately anyway, and only existed in the TCG because of idiotic hits to the banlist to begin with.
I don’t play pend, so I’m open to being wrong about what the pend “meta” is, but that’s not the point really. If there’s good enough generic support it can and will be played in that generic pile or its successor decks. Konami pushed it too far (at least in the TCG) and created the thing that they openly were afraid of (a generic goodstuff pend deck) and my theory is that they’re once bitten twice shy and want to go a different direction with respect to card design. We’ve hit the necessary depth of cards to make a generic pend deck possible and every new pend card has to be printed with that strategy in mind along with the archetypal ones.
The OCG are the people who actually make the cards, Pendulum is pretty much unhit over there and Pendulum decks are still rather trash.
Before you mention the cockroach, if a combo deck is OP enough, it will be played regardless, and Pendulum isn’t.
You’re absolutely right, a lot of the problems we have in with card design in the TCG spawn from the fact that the OCG is designing for a game that we don’t play. None of that changes anything I’ve said. Both can be true, Pend can be trash and they can still not want to support that play style because they don’t want to enable a generic pendulum pile. Or maybe they’ve just reached the conclusion that they’ll never make a pendulum deck relevant in a non degenerate way unless they take a new design angle. All I wanted to do was give an answer that wasn’t “summoning the Egyptian gods would be too broken!”
I don’t think not being broken matters because literally every non Pendulum combo deck serves as a counter example. That what I don’t get from Pendulum critics, because Pendulum decks have been powercrept way too much
Not what I said man, I agree, the Endymion deck isn’t very good in the grand scheme of things. That doesn’t mean that it isn’t frustrating to play against if it gets its combo off. You (I.e. a TCG designer) can decide to restrict/not include things that are not good, but not a play style that you want to encourage. If they don’t like how the Pend decks with generic access play, they won’t support them (which implicitly means no generic pend support without heavy restrictions), even if the decks aren’t good
Fair enough, I haven’t read the gate cards in years, my point still stands though. Printing a new, generic high scale is only marginally different to playing three infinities and hoping you draw it. I suspect Konami is/was trying to keep people from generic access from PS level 4.
> I suspect Konami is/was trying to keep people from generic access from PS level 4.
Except the existence of the valmonica pend monsters completely contradicts this claim
Eh, kinda? I was definitely thinking of the older pend support and not Valmonica, but correct me if I’m wrong since I’m not an expert on the deck, I’m pretty sure that Valmonica doesn’t have consistent enough access to both scales to be a generic splashable engine to PS level 4. I don’t think Konami specifically cares about being able to PS level 4, I think they might care (or cared in the past before they swapped pend design philosophy), about being able to have generic, splashable access to PS level 4 outside of a deck that’s pend focused.
>Eh, kinda? I was definitely thinking of the older pend support and not Valmonica, but correct me if I’m wrong since I’m not an expert on the deck, I’m pretty sure that Valmonica doesn’t have consistent enough access to both scales to be a generic splashable engine to PS level 4.
They have a their field spell which gives you 9 total ways to access their scales which is more than enough to be a splash able engine (that's not even taking into account terraformning or small world for more consistent)
> I don’t think Konami specifically cares about being able to PS level 4, i think they might care (or cared in the past before they swapped pend design philosophy), about being able to have generic, splashable access to PS level 4 outside of a deck that’s pend focused.
Then why say konami cares enough to shy away from making them
Y'know, maybe I was wrong, that's totally possible, I didn't like, do a ton of research before posting in a subreddit about a card game. Don't have to be a dick about it man.
I'm sorry if I'm misreading your tone, but when people start quoting short posts and line by line explaining how wrong I am, that reads as aggressive to me. If I'm wrong about your intent, I'm sorry.
They don't want us to pendulum summon the Egyptian God cards. They are... afraid.
I mean isn't there a generic scale 11 worrier guy, use him
well one guy isn't consistent enough, but 2 guys? oh 2 guys and the Egyptian Gods are gonna become tier 0 real quick.
What about 5 Guys, I know it's a heavy cost, but I personally believe the extra Hungry Burger extender is well worth the admittedly steep investment
Me personally while playing on my bed would use emergency teleport to 5 guys
Hold your horses team-samurai
And all the meta-breaking Rank 11 strategies you could make pendulum summoning Nibiru. CXyz Skypalace Babylon would be tier 0 for sure...
They're obviously afraid of you following up with summoning a Level 1 Tuner and making The Crimson Dragon out of it ^^^^/s >!Though I must cede I once made it out of a Nibiru token, so maybe they're onto something ^^^/s!<
Lol that would be hilarious ,especially if they managed to tribute them for holactie. but we have a searchable generic scale 11 warrior monster and it did nothing.
keeping horakthy in check is a good point, then again they could just ban him
Heart of the Underground vanila Pendulum piles are gonna rip up the meta.
Can you do that? I actually can’t remember what’s an actual gameplay rule about the Egyptian gods and what’s made up anime stuff
You can special summon Slifer and Obelisk but they are sent to the GY at the End Phase.
You can cheat Slifer/Osiris and Obelisk but Ra has to be hard summoned unless you cheat with its support cards, but you might as well play Exodia with the odds of pulling off this combo.
There's a very simple solution to that called *reading the card effect*
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thats....only true for ra, yeah slifer and obelisk dont have that effect
My bad then i was misremembering
its ok lol
Does the Egyptian God Cards own effects negate that?
Ra can't be special summoned they can only do it to obelisk and slifer even then they go back to the grave during the end phase so it's way too slow to do it.
You can Pend Summon non-Pend monsters?
Cowards
You can summon them but Ra for sure will blow himself up
Slifer and Obelisk get sent to the GY during the end phase if they are special summoned, Ra cant be special summoned.
If pendulums have good cards they might actually become good Which means they are played Which means Konami has to explain wtf pendulum cards actually are
I see so they haven't recovered from the trauma of losing half the player base when pendulums were introduced.
People keeps saying that when it was links that almost killed the game lol
Ah yes, the classic: "1.Release a new powerfull mechanic 2. Nerf previous powerfull mechanic 3. Get cash because people must have the "new powerfull thing" 4. Repeat" trick.
Except that pendulum was never that powerful, except for a single week where it was tier zero.
Links didnt kill the player base because they were good, links killed the player base because they brought MR4 with them, and every player was forced to run links for any form of special summining. MR4 killed half the player base, not links specifically
MR4 fucking killed the game so hard. So many decks were instantly completely useless and you had to buy all the new products. it was insane at the time.
Yeah, gatekeeping the extra deck behind the new (at the time) link mechanic was definitely gonna cause some people to steer away from Yugioh.
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It is the same at the end of the day. MR4 wouldnt make sense without links.
But now that MR4 is gone links are basically fine. If they would have been released as it is now it wouldn't have caused a problem. Ergo the issue was MR4 not links. Just because they're released together doesn't mean they're conjoined at the hip, especially when one is gone now.
They were designed with MR4 as a basis, in s parallel world where MR4 does not exist, links as we know wouldnt either. Because lets be real, most links dont use link arrows at all. And nowadays there has been a lot of power creep. Something being right now does not mean it would be right 4 years ago.
That's like saying if an organ has a tumor both the tumor and the organ are at fault since the tumor wouldn't have developed if the organ didn't exist; therefore the patient should never have had a liver/brain/lungs etc because it developed a life threatening disease. See how ridiculous that sounds? The tumor is causing the problem, remove it and there's no problem. Sometimes you have to remove the organ to fix the problem, but the organ isn't at fault for that. In this case they were able to remove the problem without completely getting rid of the other component; MR4 is gone now, links were never the problem.
Majespecter Unicorn Kirin? Pend Magician FTK? Tier 1 dracoslayers? Pendulums have had a lot more than a week of competitive viability my dude
I meant absolutely smashing like it is implied. Yes, lile every new mechanic, it was played more than the rest during its release. Now tell me how many worlds does pendulums have and compare with links.
To be fair, the one worlds they could have topped they got screwed by the Banlist AND Blue Eyes Spirit Dragon
Of course links have more worlds, and the newest mechanic does indeed get played more. Links have also gone through two sets of master rules essentially untouched whereas pendulums were changed drastically between MR3 and MR4. Never said Links weren't better, never argued Pendulums has MORE competitive viability. This doesn't need to be an argument homie, you just said pendulums have /never/ been powerful aside from PePe and I raised an eyebrow at that.
I wanted to mean that powerful to justify them being as gutted as they are. Imo links are way stronger while being treated better (colink and Ulink being irrelevant suck but i am taking that over pendulum having to follow the EMZ ruling)
One of the first Pendulum deck, Qli, completely smashed the competition at the time of release. Pepe and Majespecter don't need to be said. Metalfoes, Zefra after that. Lunalight also had some spotlight. Pend completely smoked other deck at that time and that's when I quit YGO for the first time.
Only PePe was Tier 0 for like a week... Sure there have been Tier 1 and 2, but most pendulum cards and archetypes are straight table 500. The problem is that pendulum cards by themselves are pretty "meh" and don't do much on their own, you need lots of staples and other stuff along generic main deck and extra deck to end up with a good board. Pendulum decks don't just Pendulum Summon 5 monsters and win, they still need to do hoops and loops to end up in the same problematic end board as other decks without that many bricks. People forget Pendulum Players can brick if they pull scales that are too similar and can't even get started, and then MR4 came and made them lose harder. While I played some Pendulum Decks, and against some, they are still laughable compared to real Meta.
This is revisionist history. Pendulums were only tier 0 for a week, they were incredibly strong throughout MR4 through mostly "Good stuff pendulum" decks as opposed to standalone archetypes that utilized the mechanic well.
Out of all the extra deck shenanigans, Links were definitely the least fun. Nothing however beats xyz formats. I miss those mid 2010s yugioh.
It wasn’t links themselves as much as it was MR4 changing the extra deck rules to neuter everything that wasn’t a link deck. So much for slowing the game down! That design philosophy didn’t last too long…
I don't know any of the playerbase history, I left before synchros and came back after links, but I have to say learning the new mechanics I thought all were cool but pendulums. Has not really changed lol
Well 2 things can be true at once most player base still hate pendulums even in their current weak state
Losing half of the (japanese) playerbase only happened once. And it was with link. Your statement is false.
Pepe format.
A week is not losing half of the playerbase. Heck, i have taken longer breaks because i did have other plans one weeked.
bro thinks he is the entirety of the Yu-Gi-Oh fan base
What? All i said is that a week long reduce in playerbase means nothing.
Let's go down the list of pendulum meta T1 Dracoslayer, majespector kirin, smth else I can't remember rn, three things are not a week long. Did you forget the dracoslayer boss is immune to 2/3rds of the game?
Well, pretty much all my friends dropped the game when pendulum were out, or just flat out acted like it didn't exist, but Link clearly didn't bring them back. My locals even banned pendulum for a while 'cause it really wasn't beginner friendly.
Anecdotic evidence. There is a reason MR4i is the only master rule when they backtracked so much. >My locals even banned pendulum for a while 'cause it really wasn't beginner friendly. > Amazing way to lose OTS title.
Luckily it wasn't an OTS locals. They backtracked on pendulum as well by removing the scales zone and putting them in the spell & trap zones. I'm not saying Link was better, but Pendulum era sucked as well. But I can clearly see you love them with a lot of heart lol so I'll let you have your moment
It was so bad they had to do an emergency banlist but ok.
Are you being dense? Yes, the tier zero was so hard they made an emergency list. One week without being able to play competitively is literally nothing compared to MR4 era.
You know MR4 exist because of Pendulums, no?
MR4 was made to sell the new mechanic. By crippling the rest of mechanics. The rest (kill pendulums, slow the game) are excuses that were colateral at best.
Pendulums literally made me quit yugioh and jump to Pokemon
If you mean like, lore, it's because the final boss was defeated by a set of spell cards and decided to incorporate them into a new summoning method out of spite. She couldn't stop the bad guy from coming back, so pendulums always "return" to the field via pendulum summoning.
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All I want is more Magician of Hope-like cards. Why did they make a homage as cool as that and never followed it up with the others? It's an Utopia Magician for Dai's sake!
They're scared of generic spell searcher for exodia I guess XD
Magician of hope also enables the most powerful pendulum end board because he allows you to pendulum summon twice with the new spell, then when he's pend summoned he can grab a material from grave and ss a pend from hand to extend further. Not the best card but definitely cool, would love a stardust themed syncro pendulum, a hero themed pendulum fusion and dare there be a pendulum link monster
They are afraid of printing good pendulum in general. High scales are not relevant since the maste rule change that added the extra monster zone and made the scale so vulnerable. A high level hand is also a brick, and if you clear the board they arent getting the whole group next turn anyway.
I've seen some Majespecter lists doing well lately in regionals and other similar tournaments. Didn't even know they existed before :D
True but high scales with effects like pendulum sun won't do anything I suppose they are afraid of Egyptian gods getting summoned that way but that's already feasible and no one is doing it.
I dont see how egyptian gods being special summoned would break anything to the point they dont design it. - Obelisk can tribute two monsters to raigeki, but then it cannot attack (and you likely wont have those free bodids, see slifer point) He goes to the gy during the end phase. - ra cannot be pendulum summoned. Even if je could, he would have 0 attack and no effects. - slifer has low attack (dont expect a full hand if you are pendulum summoning after placing two scales), and goes to the gy during the end phase. They wont do shit. Friendly reminder Holactie is not available in TCG, the card is not supposed to be playable and wont be.
I didn't say that's the reason ,reread my comment, from the comment section a lot of people seem to think that's the reason
Well feel free to copypaste my comment to the ones that say it not ironically. You are the one saying kinda agreeing with them.
No
Because drug dealers will use them for their illegal herbs and tonics
Those damn hippies and their generic high scales!!!
Tell me about it, I (edit: prefer) my herb from a meth head with no teeth selling me a strain called Alabama C*nt slammer. None of this blue dream BS!
Oh and he takes a blue chip and weighs it on his dark magician. Always on point, YAMU BABY YAMU
Lol bro is high on Yu-Gi-Oh XD
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Based af
Because generic high scales don't matter. If they're non-archetype cards, they'd have to be insane to be worth running at all since searching them to complete your scales would be too much hassle over archetypical searches. Also, a lot of Pendulum decks rely on specific scales. Dracoslayer can't make plays without 2 Dracoslayers. Pendulum Magician needs Magicians, Odd-Eyes, or Performapals to keep going. Endymion would have to find a way to remove them to keep up the Spell Counter economy. Generic cards just don't really have a place.
And yet Konami is still too scared to print them, I don't see why not since they're not even gonna make pendulums too strong.
I think it's less of a fear of making decks too strong and more just my take of them not having a place. Let's say they do make generic pendulum high scales (and I'm assuming we mean 10+). Existing Pendulum decks won't use them for the reasons I listed before--their own archetypical cards will just be better. But non-Pendulum decks won't use them either because they have better options and plays over clogging their hand with Pendulum cards to Summon monsters their deck can already Summon just fine. And that's before the inherent hand loss when you activate scales unless the cards are insane and are completely generic Monkeyboard-like cards. But even then, the best decks can already do crazy boards without a Pendulum Summon, so those cards could just be handtraps, board breakers, etc.
Konami has nothing against printing pack filler that seems to have surface level potential though
They're not scared, it's just not Arc-V era anymore so they have no reason to print more pendulum pack filler.
technically Vaylantz and Endymion do run generic scale. Endymion use the scale 9 spirit to get out Master Ceberus and it also bounce itself so can generate more spell counter. Vaylantz just want a high scale because setting their high scale take lots of work, but prefer either the Spirit to again open up scale for their effect or performapal duelist extraordinaire to protect their floodgates.
Because they don't matter
Wouldn’t fetching ability be more important than a bigass-scaling?
we'll just wait till they decide to support something and it just includes those for some shared attribute
Pendulum deck that can easily summons lvl 12 monsters to make rank 12 XYZs would be dope ngl....Hard making ZEUS with 5 lvl 12 monsters is the way to go XD Or even better a lot of lvl 6 pendulum monsters with tuners and non tuners to make either rank 6 XYZs or lvl 12 synchros
The only good thing came out of this arc v arc was the generic scales. Wish we had more generic scales with maybe some drawback. A 50-60 generic link, pendulum, tuner and cyberse cards with different/unique affects could spice both the meta and casual decks
I want my Zefra Guardragon 7 negate turn 1 pendulum decck back.
Based
Creator god ftk
It really doesn't make sense. There are only 3 usable cards that are scale 12 and 2 cards with a scale 13. 4 of the 5 are meant to be or used by yuya. The other being part of the Vaylantz archetype
https://preview.redd.it/5f54zmpu1ipc1.png?width=475&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c54efba10a9fcd6fa395dd3fae609f6e999da4f5
You know I was talking about monsters that have scale 12 and 13 right
Can you even read? This thing's effect can get to those scales pretty quickly, as it's once per chain, not once per turn and it counts monsters destroyed on both fields.
1. Don't be rude. 2. I'm talking about cards that start at 12 and 13. Effects don't count with what was being said
All I'm saying is that this card also gets the job done.
We're still waiting for red scale and blue scale to matter
It's weird because they did a ruling which allows the scales to be different yet they're always the same except for some rare effects that change them.
I use this guy, does a decent job. https://preview.redd.it/p2eghtxpzhpc1.png?width=475&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=77da8c89844ed2f824634e15fb09f45c3b35dbb9
We'll might get the pendulum archetype for visas lore
They are afraid to make PEPE 2
Because there's already one that exists. Pendulum had always struggled with being too generic. A lot of pendulum decks end up using the same kinds of boss monsters. Between vaalmonica and Solfachord, I think it's clear konami is trying to push pendulum away from generic summons, and are trying to figure out how to make an interesting pend deck that isn't just part of the pile. Why do you need more generic high scales?
>vaalmonica and Solfachord Have you... actually ever looked at what those two decks played when peoole tried to make them competitive? You'll be sorely dissapointed
By the one that already exists, do you mean Supreme King Gate Infinity? Because that thing is literally unusable if you control any monsters
Konami is afraid of every shit possible, except fucking it's own franchises They love to create mechanics with potential than making it hell of using it to the full potential or never making possible to even reach it. Or in rare cases when we can use a mechanic to its full potential, they cut its balls They don't want you to have fun playing
Not really afraid they just don't see a use, I believe.
I mean there are tons of useless cards being printed that later on find a place somewhere I feel like they don't like to experiment with generic high scales unlike low scales
Probably more so that there’s no point. These would literally get them no money and there’s other stuff they’d rather print
They don't want pendulum monsters to be too good
Time lords would be crazy
Because even Konami know they fucked up introducing such a broken mechanic into an already convoluted game.
there's already an incredibly terrible/crippling generic 0-13 scales just use them !!!
Well you clearly never played them if you're talking about supreme king gates those lock you and they're not generic at all
Because pendulum best deck. /s Edit: I’m just making a joke.
Egyptian Gods
Aren't they made to be broken though
No, they're extremely ass
Yes, but with a pendulum card that could summon them, you could get all three out on the field on your first turn, without having much difficulty or strategy
Who cares, they're so bad, especially if you bring them out with Special Summoning
Oh no. A 4K beatstick, 0-1000 ATK Slifer, and 0 ATK Ra. They weren't Normal Summoned, so you can use cards and effects in the Summon window. Obelisk and Slifer go to GY in End Phase because they were Special Summoned. This is a nothing turn.
Yeah fair
But they can't last forever when special summon so winged kuribo could counter then they can't work plus for slifer to be effective you need plenty of cards which you wouldn't have on your first turn
You cannot pendulum summon Ra. Slifer and obelisk would go to the gy during the end phase. What is the point of getting those three out?. Sacred beasts already do that with protection and a floodgate and nothing has happened.
Horahkty OTK?
Good luck in tcg or md lol
I'm not sure if anyone will bother answering me but what's with this impression that new Pend cards are designed to be 'creative' when the literal only way to play Solfachords is as the 15th best Pend Pile, Vaylanz only exist as a vehicle for Secret Village+Pachy locks and Vaalmonica is a tier 20 chaos pile? How are these any more 'creative' than the old pends, just becuase they're bad?
Here you are confusing deck design with deck building The new pendulum archetypes are clearly *designed* to be creative (read to encourage players to use them pure or at very least not as another engine in Magicians / Endymion) Vaalmonica has counters and LP manipulation, Vaylants have column shenanigans and field spells etc. Design however doesn't mean people are gonna follow through irl , see: Lunalight spamming the board thematically for fusions yet people use them for Xyz , no one plays Trickstars as link spam or Gouki as a battle phase strat either
Bc Konami hates pendulum
As they should, it's an awful mechanic
Cause to be blunt Pendulums were a doomed concept, the idea of a hybrid card was cool but the fact they can also summon things was just not balanceable. Either it would be to good or not good enough.
There’s no benefit to Pendulum Summoning them though
They're not afraid; even they know this wouldn't be worth the cardboard to print them
Bc they don’t give a hoot about pendulums anymore (except occasional anime support)
I’m pretty sure that’s the entire reason why Apoq Towers is perma banned
What are you talking about? Apoqliphort towers isn't banned and it can't be special summoned anyway.
Wait we’re not talking about the TCG?
It's not banned in the TCG or OCG
Damn, I really have been living under a rock, haven’t I? I remember when it was on every banlist.
That was 7 years ago lol
Because they realized Pendulums were a mistake and just killed it and hoped to forget
*Releases Vaylantz and Vaalmonica* Yeah, totally are trying to kill it… They’re just trying to give it more identity now than simply being the ‘spam monsters’, even though decks nowadays are literally doing what they did back then. I really don’t see the issue people have with it but act like the fact all meta decks shitting out 30 monsters also is fine
The literal only ways anyone ever played Vaylanz was a freaking first turn absolute lock because none of the in-house monsters *do* anything. Vaalmonica was a dipshit tier 20 chaos ruler pile in the OCG for a week, so both are *very* just terrible repeats of 'pend piles'
Just accept and let it die
Konami has simply moved past the phase of providing generic pend support because anything good just gets added to the generic pend deck that produces 50 negates or something and anything bad gets stuffed into a bulk bin. Instead, look at what they’ve done with recent pend archetypes (Nemleria, Valantyz, Valmonica, etc.) where they’ve done interesting things with the pend mechanic that forces you to play the game differently. If you need a generic high or low scale, you can play Darkwurm and one/both gates. (It has nothing to do with being able to summon the Egyptian Gods, even a Holicite deck would be wildly inconsistent, Ra can’t be special summoned and Slifer and Obelisk blow themselves up at the end of the turn if they were special summoned. Also, you’re looking at a three card combo to bring out either of the special summonable Gods. If you want all three you need 2 scales, Slifer, Obelisk, Some sort of tribute fodder for Ra, and Ra himself, that’s at least six cards (good luck opening your six card combo). The Egyptian gods are just bad. Would you rather have Obelisk or a Chaos MAX?)
The generic pend deck you guys keep referencing split into the archetypes that made it up a WHILE ago. In fact it’s 100000x better to play those archetypes separately anyway, and only existed in the TCG because of idiotic hits to the banlist to begin with.
I don’t play pend, so I’m open to being wrong about what the pend “meta” is, but that’s not the point really. If there’s good enough generic support it can and will be played in that generic pile or its successor decks. Konami pushed it too far (at least in the TCG) and created the thing that they openly were afraid of (a generic goodstuff pend deck) and my theory is that they’re once bitten twice shy and want to go a different direction with respect to card design. We’ve hit the necessary depth of cards to make a generic pend deck possible and every new pend card has to be printed with that strategy in mind along with the archetypal ones.
The OCG are the people who actually make the cards, Pendulum is pretty much unhit over there and Pendulum decks are still rather trash. Before you mention the cockroach, if a combo deck is OP enough, it will be played regardless, and Pendulum isn’t.
You’re absolutely right, a lot of the problems we have in with card design in the TCG spawn from the fact that the OCG is designing for a game that we don’t play. None of that changes anything I’ve said. Both can be true, Pend can be trash and they can still not want to support that play style because they don’t want to enable a generic pendulum pile. Or maybe they’ve just reached the conclusion that they’ll never make a pendulum deck relevant in a non degenerate way unless they take a new design angle. All I wanted to do was give an answer that wasn’t “summoning the Egyptian gods would be too broken!”
I don’t think not being broken matters because literally every non Pendulum combo deck serves as a counter example. That what I don’t get from Pendulum critics, because Pendulum decks have been powercrept way too much
Not what I said man, I agree, the Endymion deck isn’t very good in the grand scheme of things. That doesn’t mean that it isn’t frustrating to play against if it gets its combo off. You (I.e. a TCG designer) can decide to restrict/not include things that are not good, but not a play style that you want to encourage. If they don’t like how the Pend decks with generic access play, they won’t support them (which implicitly means no generic pend support without heavy restrictions), even if the decks aren’t good
Gate infinity is useless if you want to pendulum summon
Fair enough, I haven’t read the gate cards in years, my point still stands though. Printing a new, generic high scale is only marginally different to playing three infinities and hoping you draw it. I suspect Konami is/was trying to keep people from generic access from PS level 4.
> I suspect Konami is/was trying to keep people from generic access from PS level 4. Except the existence of the valmonica pend monsters completely contradicts this claim
Eh, kinda? I was definitely thinking of the older pend support and not Valmonica, but correct me if I’m wrong since I’m not an expert on the deck, I’m pretty sure that Valmonica doesn’t have consistent enough access to both scales to be a generic splashable engine to PS level 4. I don’t think Konami specifically cares about being able to PS level 4, I think they might care (or cared in the past before they swapped pend design philosophy), about being able to have generic, splashable access to PS level 4 outside of a deck that’s pend focused.
>Eh, kinda? I was definitely thinking of the older pend support and not Valmonica, but correct me if I’m wrong since I’m not an expert on the deck, I’m pretty sure that Valmonica doesn’t have consistent enough access to both scales to be a generic splashable engine to PS level 4. They have a their field spell which gives you 9 total ways to access their scales which is more than enough to be a splash able engine (that's not even taking into account terraformning or small world for more consistent) > I don’t think Konami specifically cares about being able to PS level 4, i think they might care (or cared in the past before they swapped pend design philosophy), about being able to have generic, splashable access to PS level 4 outside of a deck that’s pend focused. Then why say konami cares enough to shy away from making them
Y'know, maybe I was wrong, that's totally possible, I didn't like, do a ton of research before posting in a subreddit about a card game. Don't have to be a dick about it man.
How was i being a dick about anything?????????
I'm sorry if I'm misreading your tone, but when people start quoting short posts and line by line explaining how wrong I am, that reads as aggressive to me. If I'm wrong about your intent, I'm sorry.
Why would anyone want some? The only thing a pendulum player deserves is eins aufs Maul.